csdeven, I’m enjoying this. Thank you!

Her friend is obviously a credible account and I have no reason to doubt it. What do you think of freds? manager calling it a fakery?

I dunno. It’s anecdotal. I can picture the scene in my mind, so it’s certainly possible, but to call it credible, there would have to be more than one witness. And even if the incident went down exactly as Ms. Cottle described, so what? What politician is above stage dressing? Bill Clinton’s “stones on the beach” incident was absolutely blatant fakery. Look at Hillary Clinton and John Kerry with their botoxed visages. Blech.

You assume lefties are influencing my thinking. It was what I noticed about freds? disingenuous behavior that led me to research his history. It doesn’t matter to me if the person is left or right as long as the info can be verified. Do you disregard truth because you don’t like the persons politics who reported it? I am able to vet fact from opinion and I do not have to accept someones writings as all or nothing.

You are entitled to be skeptical of Fred based on your own observations and by whatever sources you read. I strongly suspect the motives of lefties due to their demonstrable lies and deceit. If info can be verified, I do not disregard it. But I DO have reasons to doubt sources from the left. An unidentified “friend’s” accusation of a vehicle switch and a snark from a disloyal manager, do not hint, much less prove, a pattern of fakery whatsoever. If it sparked skepticism in your mind, and that’s fine, but I have trouble squaring alert skepticism with the passion with which you take after Fred, not to mention labeling people in this community with an odious term such as “Fred? Groupies”.

I’m not sure what to make of his clients, but it’s clear that he was working for foreign interests at one point and he was involved in the S&L fiasco. And earlier today I read somewhere that fred? worked for a client who was limiting their responsibilities in payouts to citizens who were wronged. If this is true, and these clients he worked for turn out to be working against the regular joe american, it’ll just be more evidence of what I have been seeing from him since the gitty-up.

Perhaps the fredheads can research this and let the group know just what bills etc he was working on and if these efforts were for the good of the american public or if they mostly benefited fred? and his client?

There is no doubt in my mind that the research is already underway – on both sides, and before the primaries, we will all be highly enlightened about Fred’s clients, the purpose of his lobbying efforts, and the lobbying industry itself. It will be interesting to see what tangents the research will take. I’ll bet there will be plenty of scandals unearthed, and others revisited.

For example, the S&L fiasco. Fred’s involvement, according to the article, was pushing for deregulation – which desperately needed to be done. That had nothing to do with the fiasco, which came later. That fiasco was caused by interest rates skyrocketing, and the thrifts were stuck with low-yielding portfolios (the assets were yielding less than the cost of funds). The real scandal was actually John McCain’s, as part of the Keating 5.

RushBaby on June 16, 2007 at 11:25 AM

fred? will have to be held accountable or praised for his actions.

An open-minded remark if I have ever heard one. I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

Best regards,

RushBaby on June 16, 2007 at 12:30 PM