Slublog on June 14, 2007 at 12:46 PM

Sure it can show general appeal, but if the person is able to get that kind of support in the most liberal state of the country or one of the most liberal cities, do you really think that people in the conservative strongholds are going to trust them? I just can’t see someone from the NE getting the Republican nomination. Even the last couple of Democrat Presidents have been from the South.

For those worried about flip-flops by Romney, there is something you are not getting. He sticks by the platform he runs on. A traditional flip-flop would be when you run on one idea and change it. Romney has never done that. He is announcing the positions he will govern with accurately as a canditate for that position

what’s to say he’s not feeding you all a bunch of bull to get the Republican nomination?
SouthernDem on June 14, 2007 at 1:37 PM

We really don’t. I am just going on what I know to be the position held by a majority of Mormons. I do not see Mitt! changing his stance once he becomes the president.

Freelancer on June 14, 2007 at 2:23 PM

So, all that means fred? isn’t going to have to answer questions about it? What happens if fred? was lobbying for a less than upstanding client?

You’ve got your head in the sand if you think freds? career as am arm twisting lobbyist isn’t going to come into play. Most people do not trust lobbyists. And abramoff is just another reason why.

Exit question two:

Since Fred!s name began appearing in straw polls, the McCain supporters have held a substantially more favorable opinion of Fred than of Rudy. The suggestion would be that McCain’s departure would benefit Thompson more than Giuliani.

This is one of the reasons why Fred won’t answer a question about McCain or Giuliani; he refuses to give supporters of either a negative feeling, so that when their guys give up he’ll be remembered positively. The other reason is that his campaign isn’t about other candidates, it’s about the issues, and I’m hoping he keeps it that way.

In another sign of John McCain’s plan to assault former Mitt Romney

What, did he change his name to Prince or something?

Remember, freddie boy has a 20 year history in the same profession as abramoff

Guilt by horrendously stretched association? That one’s too pathetic even for you.

Jeff Kent is a ‘roid user. How do I know? Duh, he used to play on the same team as Barry.

It’s only a matter of time until we discover how many people Will Smith has murdered. Hey, he’s a rapper! They’re ALL murderers.

Until you have a shred of evidence that Mr. Thompson, during his tenure as a public advocacy lobbyist, arranged corrupt deals with legislators, this line is completely absurd.

Methinks the Fred!basher just gets a thrill from spouting stuff that would bring a libel suit were its target not a public figure.

Why hasn’t anyone attacked Rudy yet?

Because he’d be a great one to beat the Glacier, to be VP for anyone, or fill the Homeland Security post for anyone…, or another prominent admin. post, young enough to run for president later, after 4 or 8 years, strong convictions, plausible, driven, proven record, human flaws like all others, not perfect but who is?

Not that his ego could stomach it, but I’m thinking that McCain is almost now vying for VP for Fred, or another…better that than none…just playing with political dominos. Surely, he’s seen the numbers and it hurts. Amnesty will be great for Fred and Giuliani (if he’s had a sincere conversion and it’s not just for political expediency).

For me, Rudy is the most nonchalant about the Fred entrance. I like that in him. He’s probably very pragmatic about it and secure either way. Right now, McCain being out, I believe Romney has the most to worry about.

csdeven on June 14, 2007 at 1:21 PM

I have to disagree. When one says, in 2002 no less, “I believe women should have the right to make their own choice”, it’s a pretty clear message in my mind. If he alters his true opinion in the interest of getting elected in lib land Mass, what’s to say he’s not feeding you all a bunch of bull to get the Republican nomination?
I certainly agree that the flip flop shouldn’t keep you at home, though.
Sorry if I’m going OT on this thread, btw.

SouthernDem on June 14, 2007 at 1:09 PM

My point is that I believe Mitt! has always believed that, but went against that to get elected in MA. Where he is at now is more in line with his beliefs and a better indication of his approach toward nominating judges and justices. He for sure flip-flopped, but I think it happened in the 90’s and not in 2003. I expect a lot of reps to have had some somewhat “nuanced” positions during the clinton years. It’s still a concern, but it appears we will be stuck with the lesser of two evils and I will not let that flip-flop keep me home if he’s the nominee.

Do you know what the LDS believe about abortion?
csdeven on June 14, 2007 at 12:48 PM

Effectively no abortion except cases of rape, incest and when the life of the mother is at stake “after receiving divine confirmation through prayer.” Right?
He hasn’t exactly taken this position. He’s for states rights on the issue and vowed as governor not to endorse changes concerning Mass abortion laws. How is this consistent with LDS? And what does this matter anyway? I don’t care about his religion.

How’s that low road looking now, Senator?

csdeven on June 14, 2007 at 12:55 PM

No apologies necessary. It’s not like you called me lazy.*

*But I am.

Slublog on June 14, 2007 at 12:16 PM

I do not contribute to the personal flaming. I attack a public figure and do so as vehemently against him as some do for him. I repeat my position for the same reason other repeat their positions. It’s balance.

Being a mature adult, I can deal with the balance, but as you can see by the personal attacks against me, many cannot handle the balance.

I mistook your statement as another one liner attacking me instead of dealing with the facts. I apologize. But please notice I did not attack you personally.

It’s simple. Mitt got under McVains’s skin.
TheBigOldDog on June 14, 2007 at 12:04 PM

Sure did, which is a huge plus for Mitt in my book.

I think so far Romney has run an excellent campaign that invokes feelings of competency and confidence. He’s gone from virtually unknown nationally to money primary winner, two strong debate showings and now is the current leader in both NH and Iowa. He seems to be spending his money wisely/efficiently and has handled the few missteps/challenges so far pretty well by not allowing them to damage his campaign in any measurable way. I think he’s going to get better as this thing drags on and it will be interesting to see how Fred measures up when they are actually standing side by side.

McCain knows that if he can kill off Mitt! and after fred? implodes, all those juicy, juicy, social conservatives will have two choices. Rudy and McCain.

And then:

Do you understand what executive experience is? The senate has ZERO executive responsibilities where as a Governor and a mayor are the epitome executive jobs. (short of the presidency)

Do you understand what executive experience is? Well which is it csdeven? Senate experience is fine for McCain but not for Fred? McCain has wizard powers? What is it?

You are talking in circles.

Ummm, try the 2002 election. Or has that also been explained to your satisfaction?
Talk about professional flip flops.
SouthernDem on June 14, 2007 at 12:26 PM

Do you know what the LDS believe about abortion?

Do you understand that executive experience in the liberal NE is not an asset when trying to get the conservative vote?
Gianni on June 14, 2007 at 12:35 PM

Actually, experience as an elected Republican in the “liberal NE” is a pretty good indicator of general appeal.

Do you understand that executive experience in the liberal NE is not an asset when trying to get the conservative vote?

Gianni on June 14, 2007 at 12:35 PM

Explain why.

csdeven on June 14, 2007 at 12:08 PM

Do you understand that executive experience in the liberal NE is not an asset when trying to get the conservative vote?

Understanding the LDS like I do, Mitts flip-flop was in 1994. He is now taking the position he really believes.
csdeven on June 14, 2007 at 10:32 AM

Ummm, try the 2002 election. Or has that also been explained to your satisfaction?
Talk about professional flip flops.

I think McCain is the strongest pro life candidate
tomas on June 14, 2007 at 11:55 AM

And yet he made it harder, with the Gang of 14, for the president to appoint pro-life judges.

csdeven on June 14, 2007 at 12:02 PM

I’m not a Fredhead, csdeven. I’m just tired of seeing every single political thread turn into a Fred Flamewar because you keep repeating the same talking points.

Welcome to the club. We would really like to have an edit feature.
csdeven on June 14, 2007 at 10:28 AM

And the rest of us would prefer an “ignore” feature, since you have nothing to offer but mindless, repetitive trolling. It would cut the Fred! threads at least in half while quadrupling the collective IQ after your substance-free, hateful trolling was relegated to the virtual trash.

You’re a juvenile one-trick-pony that should’ve been banned long ago.