Open thread: Fred on “The Tonight Show”; Update: Video added; Update: GOP oppo researchers start digging
posted at 11:10 pm on June 12, 2007 by Allahpundit
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If Karol’s staying up for this, it must be a capital-“e” Event. Likelihood of a surprise announcement: 20%. His aides were whispering about early July, but that could have been a smokescreen to set up a surprise tonight. Besides, why wait? He’s got poll momentum from the LA Times and Rasmussen. And there’s precedent here, with Arnold having announced on Leno and gone on to do fairly well for himself.
There’ll be video here later. Food for thought while we wait: “Right now, the Democrats’ best hope may be for the Republicans to veer right and nominate an erratic aging boy like the seedy Newt Gingrich or a Hollywood caricature of vintage 1910 American small-town life like the phlegmatically pithy Fred Thompson, whose homespun act feels tired and looks tired.”
Update: Nothing earth-shattering, but the Fredheads do get mentioned. Tonight Ragnar takes the Fred Thompson photo off his nightstand and sleeps with it in his arms.
Link: sevenload.com
Update: Karol stares into the abyss.
His jacket seemed too tight on him and, awkwardly, only one button was buttoned. He didn’t look at Jay very often, answering questions while looking off in the distance. The worst part is that he didn’t seem excited. I know campaigns are long and it’s hard to maintain that constant high energy, high enthusiasm personality. But his campaign hasn’t even kicked off yet. I needed to see some joy from him that he’s about to compete for the highest office in the land, in the world, some pride in the fact that he is a serious contestant for an office of that stature.
Between this and some of his speeches of late, he’s starting to get a rep for lackluster appearances. Eh. I thought he was fine with Hannity after the debate.
Update: Politico runs down the five points on which Fred’s Republican rivals are going to try to hit him. Three of them focus on his alleged centrism — his voting record, his support for McCain-Feingold, and his flirtation with a federalist pro-choice position, which ironically is belied by his actual voting record. I eagerly await watching Rudy McRomney trying to tar someone else as too liberal. As for the other points, his history as a lobbyist and his record as a trial lawyer, they’re less than meaningless. Particularly given that his most famous moments as a lawyer are (a) exposing corruption in Watergate, (b) exposing corruption in the Tennessee governor’s office, and (c) fighting corruption on “Law & Order.”
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Read the posts above. Nothing major, but no flash expected. Won’t change your mind, didn’t change mine.
BacaDog on June 13, 2007 at 1:04 AM
He’s a paper tiger.
Allahpundit on June 13, 2007 at 1:04 AM
Lincoln was a sucky speaker, apparently. Columnists lampooned the Gettysburg Address.
What he was was a strong visionary man.
Christoph on June 13, 2007 at 1:05 AM
Yeah, I was just trying to incite fury from some commenters who might not know me. I was able to pull it off a few months back (can’t remember the topic), where I took the most idiotic position in a one liner and got a bunch of people (rightfully had I been serious) flaming me. I think too many people know me now though, and aren’t buying me as a “drive-by” Ron Paul supporter that has infected much of the internet, YouTube in particular.
RightWinged on June 13, 2007 at 1:06 AM
Which is what I’m saying, but that’s evidently not good enough.
Eh, the parts Allah played were decent Karol. He’s gonna have to do better though, for sure.
Bad Candy on June 13, 2007 at 1:06 AM
Yeah, well you’re a tiger paper! That’s right, I said it!
RightWinged on June 13, 2007 at 1:06 AM
Think he’s not a good candidate, AP?
I’d really like your serious thoughts. I’ve learned to respect you as a VERY good political analyst and the anti-AJ Strata, who is so bad it’s almost unbelievable.
Christoph on June 13, 2007 at 1:06 AM
How so, AP?
BacaDog on June 13, 2007 at 1:06 AM
You think so? I’m not sure yet, but I’m wondering how strong he’ll be. He’s gonna have to come out guns blazing if he’s gonna be more than a ‘we’re not keen on Mitt or Rudy’ run.
Bad Candy on June 13, 2007 at 1:09 AM
Fixed it a little for ya buddy. You are still invited and I can’t wait to celebrate, if we win. However, some, above, are right, that you are obsessed with the Fred-bashing. But I told you this before.
You must be in the central timing zone. I will get up at 4:00a.m. to go to LA, so I won’t watch. I met the big man in person in Dec. ‘99, during the impeachment winter break, and he is very nice, courteous, and smart.
Saw Rudy on H&C tonight and liked what I heard and how he handled himself. All better than the other 3 lillies.
csdeven is not a troll. He is sometimes mean, and doesn’t even realize it. He’ll vote for Fred, or Rudy, or Mitt, and we’ll forget and forgive.
Entelechy on June 13, 2007 at 1:10 AM
With all due respect, I think it much more likely he is what card players call a “sandbagger”. i.e. someone who is holding a much stonger hand than he bids. Then when he finally lays his cards down and you find out he had you beat all along, he sits back, takes a long pull off that cigar and asks with a wry smile if you want to try again.
Can’t wait ’til he announces and shows some of his hand. That is to say how much money and support staff he’s quitely collected. The first debate should be equally interesting. Stay tuned.
P. James Moriarty on June 13, 2007 at 1:11 AM
Yeah! Time someone took AP down a notch! There’s your nuance!
frankj on June 13, 2007 at 1:12 AM
I have the impression there’s fire there, slow to burn maybe. If he fires cornpone cannonballs instead of acerbic rhetoric when under fire, I’ll lose some enthusiasm.
BacaDog on June 13, 2007 at 1:13 AM
I wonder if I could force you to give me money? I seem to be able to force people to read my comments to derail threads so I see no difference in forcing money out of your pocket.
What do ya think?
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 1:14 AM
That better be the case if he’s gonna be the nom. I really don’t want Allah to be right if he is the nom.
Bad Candy on June 13, 2007 at 1:14 AM
Seriously, though, since that wasn’t the most awesome appearance of a presidential candidate in the history of mankind, I’m dropping my support for Fred Thompson and voting for Ron Paul.
frankj on June 13, 2007 at 1:14 AM
Go Fred!
Camille Paglia can find aging, seedy, and tired in the mirror. Yuk.
infidel4life on June 13, 2007 at 1:14 AM
I watched the whole thing live. He didn’t know Liebs was talking about a limited strike, so he had to shuck a question he needn’t have. He displayed a decent and pretty quick sense of humor, though. But this is like reading tea leaves.
That’s when it will count, and I don’t think it will take long to find out whether or not he’s a paper tiger, a train wreck, or the real deal.
smellthecoffee on June 13, 2007 at 1:15 AM
Actually serious for real this time, I kept waiting for Fred Thompson to lay out some sort of vision for America. We’ve heard him on individual issues, but he needs a narrative to really inspire everyone.
frankj on June 13, 2007 at 1:16 AM
I think you’re a damn prick and a distraction whos annoying everyone.
Bad Candy on June 13, 2007 at 1:19 AM
Me too. I’ve read up on him a bit and it would seem to be his M.O. and that would fit in with the smart southern lawyer/good old boy stereotype. Not that I hold much with stereotypes, but the next few weeks will be interesting (for me at least) to see if my read on him is right. If not I have no candidate, Rudy is a social liberal to the core, Mitt is a snake oil salesman, and McCain is selling out American soveregnty as we speak.
P. James Moriarty on June 13, 2007 at 1:20 AM
I don’t want great. I want Fred! :)
No, that didn’t come out right. What I saw was just Fred, quiet, calm, good sense of humor. Good man. It seemed like more of an introduction to the man than a campaign stump — and haven’t we seen enough of those so far?
Tennman on June 13, 2007 at 1:21 AM
Damn! Way past my bedtime.
We’re all just having fun speculating until Fred is officially in. Hope AP is premature about the Paper Tiger nom.
You can damn sure bet though, his true colors will become evident very quickly once he’s a candidate. Endless hours of OLBY, Chrissy, etc. Any chink will be prodded. Any weakness exploited.
Oh well, gonna get my Fred! action fighre and hit the rack. He keeps me safe.
BacaDog on June 13, 2007 at 1:22 AM
Yeah, he needs to do that in a big way. Individuall issues play well to single issues people and the base people, but he’ll need to give a grand vision for the mainstream.
Bad Candy on June 13, 2007 at 1:22 AM
So, does this mean you are going to CHOOSE to continue to read my comments and you are going to CHOOSE not to give me the cash?
Well, since that is the case, YOU can take responsibility for derailing the flow of your comments.
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 1:23 AM
Out of all the candidates Mitt has impressed me the most so far. I have seen a lot of support for Fred on HotAir and elsewhere around the net. A lot of “hype” and so I was very interested to see him as I haven’t followed much of his politics, or know much about him. I must say from someone with no opinion yet of Fred, he didn’t live up to the hype. I wasn’t very impressed. Maybe an actual debate may change things but for now I just don’t get it. What am I missing?
lan astaslem on June 13, 2007 at 1:24 AM
AP, thanks for posting the clip, but I’m still going to have to stay up to watch the unedited version.
P. James Moriarty on June 13, 2007 at 1:29 AM
The clapping Leno audience.
Entelechy on June 13, 2007 at 1:29 AM
If P. James Moriarty (June 13, 2007 at 1:11 AM) is right, and he’s a “sandbagger,” one who’s holding a much stronger hand than he’s bidding, then what you’re not seeing is what he’s not showing you, which doesn’t mean it’s not there.
smellthecoffee on June 13, 2007 at 1:30 AM
I can’t avoid them, they’re all over every damn thread where Fred is even mentioned in passing. If HotAir had an ignore feature, your name would be the first on my list, you do nothing but piss on every thread, its distracting to me, to most everyone else here, critiques of Fred can be had without your rabid hate, and I’m tired of it.
And you’re right, no one is forced to see the steaming piles you drop on every Fred post, but the smell is inescapable.
Bad Candy on June 13, 2007 at 1:31 AM
That and the smell of somebody’s roasting a$$. Yo.
smellthecoffee on June 13, 2007 at 1:34 AM
Rudy.
’nuff said.
JayHaw Phrenzie on June 13, 2007 at 1:35 AM
JHP, I like Rudy, and if Fred doesn’t pan out, Rudy’s my pick, I know the abortion issue has a lot of people kinda nervous, but if he truly believes in states rights, that’s my position too. Ditto guns, no federal bans or registries.
Not that my opinion matters on that, given that the candidate is usually picked before the PA primary.
Bad Candy on June 13, 2007 at 1:40 AM
Well, from the clear eyed perspective of a conservative, fred? was lack luster and vacuous in his answers. He either did not know what a main stream politician said about bombing Iran or he lied. Either way, I don’t see how it helps him.
I certainly don’t see how acting that way on purpose helps him at all. He isn’t in a game of poker, he’s in a game of politics. He needed to come off as strong as possible and he did not. Leno had to, just like Hannity, drag his responses out of him and even led him to the right answers once. He tried to pin him down on a few answers and freds? answers was evasive and showed no real understanding of the depth of the issues. He kept made excuses as to why he was running and how out of practice he was. AND he repeated the stupidest and most revealing comment about his non-candidacy. He didn’t want it, his friends did. And they dragged him to consider running.
Image is everything, and I don’t mean the suit. (Big guys have a tough time getting suits to fit them) He looked confused and came off very uncomfortable. He looked tired and his eyes were not bright or clear at all.
It was clearly obvious that fred? does not have the skills to speak off the cuff and that’s gonna kill him. Now, he may be able to learn it, but he doesn’t have time. Tonight was strike one and if he has one more piss poor outing like this, he’ll be done.
Save your money you fredheads. He just failed the first test. (As if Leno is a test. Total softball interview.)
Well, there you have it from a clear eyed conservative.
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 1:41 AM
A good veep.
Too slow for CIC.
profitsbeard on June 13, 2007 at 1:43 AM
At least he can string a few sentences together unlike GW.
V15J on June 13, 2007 at 1:45 AM
Anyone else distracted when Fred! clears his throat throughout interviews?
Kevin on June 13, 2007 at 1:46 AM
Alright, whatever, I’m off to watch RedEye.
Bad Candy on June 13, 2007 at 1:47 AM
In a time of war, substance is everything, image is only skin deep.
So, according to you guys, what you want is a candidate who looks good and makes snap decisions? This is the race for PODUS, not American Idol.
P. James Moriarty on June 13, 2007 at 1:48 AM
It makes me feel a lump in my own throat which needs clearing. It’s contagious.
Kevin on June 13, 2007 at 1:49 AM
Let me show you how easy it is to ignore a someone.
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 1:49 AM
POTUS
P. James Moriarty on June 13, 2007 at 1:49 AM
Tell that to the people who just saw him for the very first time. He didn’t come off as presidential and that image is gonna be tough to overcome. He will never be able to make a first impression to those folks again.
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 1:54 AM
I don’t think his ego will allow him to take second seat. Did you hear him talk about his polling numbers? He’s proud of them. It’s like a AA ball player bragging that he has more homers than a major leaguer. He has no concept of how afraid he appears to people who are braving the onslaught from the media. He got real animated when he talked about his website, but not about the issues. He’s putting a huge focus on that, and that looks really weak. It’s like he wants to ride that pony all the way to the White House.
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 2:02 AM
You’re giving the American people too little credit. I personally don’t know anyone who casts their vote on first impressions alone, and quite a few who do conciderable research before pulling the lever. There’s lots of time between now and the primes and I’m sure most will come to the same conclusions I have after looking at Mitts dismal record in Mass, Rudys support of gun control, pro abortion stance, pro gay marraige, etc., and I don’t think the rights base will forget McCain selling out on the amnesty bill. That only leaves Fred and I’ll be ROTFALMAO when you vote for him rather than Hillary/Obama.
P. James Moriarty on June 13, 2007 at 2:15 AM
csdeven /ignore
P. James Moriarty on June 13, 2007 at 2:21 AM
This Fred phenomenon could go all sorts of ways. It should be very interesting in the next couple of months, and I really could see it going either way. And I think that quote up top is definitely something we all need to think long and hard about. Because to me Rudy is almost unbeatable, and we may just kill ourselves if we nominate a guy like Fred…
Patriot33 on June 13, 2007 at 2:33 AM
The man just keeps getting taller. By the time he announces, he’ll be at least 7′.
Connie on June 13, 2007 at 2:40 AM
Wilma! No wait, Fred!
- The Cat
MirCat on June 13, 2007 at 4:27 AM
You guys are making decision from a Leno epidsode…crazy
tomas on June 13, 2007 at 6:57 AM
6′8″ is what I read/heard somewhere. By all means, if I’m wrong, correct me. Just how tall is he Connie?
smellthecoffee on June 13, 2007 at 7:10 AM
One thing for sure, Fred is a better candidate than Mitt, Rudy, or McCain. Mitt is a pathetic pretty boy that lives and sleeps with the liberal side of life (what he would call, reaching out across the aisle), Rudy is a great personality (what Mitt lacks) but too much baggage and too liberal, McCain is out of it–just gone–begging in S.F. for votes is the bottom of the conservative barrel. Fred is Fred, they will blast him for being “hometown” just like they blasted Reagan, they will fire the “he is an actor” just like Reagan, he is too low key, just like Reagan, he isn’t smart enough, just like Reagan, but watch him in the debates and his folksy humor…just like Reagan.
right2bright on June 13, 2007 at 7:44 AM
Why does it have to be a black ball player? Conservatives are such racists!
/sarcasm
SouthernGent on June 13, 2007 at 7:53 AM
I’ll admit that I’m intrigued. I’ve been taking a “wait and see” attitude with Fred. I like the idea that there’s someone who speaks his mind rather than mouthing focus-grouped null phrases. Is Fred that guy? So far, it seems that way, but I’d like to see him go head-to-head with the other candidates.
As far as him seeming “slow” or “low energy”, I don’t really get that vibe. He’s definitely deliberate, which I think is a good quality.
I’m not hooked from that clip, but I’m not turned off, either.
Farmer_Joe on June 13, 2007 at 8:06 AM
Hmm…. Dems are scared of Fred. But they’re not scared of Rudy, John, or Mitt?
Problem is that Fred doesn’t have the support of the GOP ‘insiders’ like Rudy and John. Almost seems like the Dems view being a GOP ‘insider’ is a liability with the GOP voter base.
I do hope Fred makes a serious run, and I hope he doesn’t simply turn him into a flash-in the pan.
“Help be Fred. You’re my only hope.” …wait, no, wrong movie.
Lawrence on June 13, 2007 at 8:20 AM
Why is it that a video of Fred talking about his website (something we already know about) and Fredheads on a talk show makes a post, yet Rudy on H&C talking about his “12 Commitments to America” is noticeably not here.
amerpundit on June 13, 2007 at 8:21 AM
heh. Took me a minute to catch that.
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 8:22 AM
I dunno…I’m still pissed at the way Fred treated Clint Eastwood in “In the Line of Fire.”
Malpaso on June 13, 2007 at 8:41 AM
This is part of freds? grand plan to lull the candidates to sleep with a sense of being superior to fred?. Then at the opportune moment, he will become the real fred? and destroy them in one fell swoop. At this point fred? will say…..
“AHA! Read em weep, suckahs!!!”
/sarc off :-)
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 8:56 AM
I’m keeping an open mind about all the candidates though at this point I’d vote for MITT! in the primary.
I appreciate csdeven’s comments, positive and negative, because isn’t expressing one’s opinion the purpose of these comments anyway? You never know when you might learn something from someone you don’t agree with. The ball player analogy is an excellent description of Fred’s current so-called campaign.
Up until last night, Fred has been a beautifully wrapped package, eliciting wonder and delight of what’s actually inside. Last night the gift wrap started looking a little tattered and we’re still wondering what’s really inside. He needs to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie.
There’s still a lot of time and media/political cycles between now and 2008, folks. A lot, or a little, can happen between now and then.
Brat on June 13, 2007 at 9:00 AM
I like Fred’s positions on just about every issue, but my overall impression from watching this and other interviews is that his heart just really isn’t in this. That probably speaks very well of his personal character, but I kinda feel like that desire, or fire in your belly, is necessary to get you through a campaign like this, not to mention the actual job of POTUS.
Dudley Smith on June 13, 2007 at 10:09 AM
They can’t and they wont. They will attack fred? on his 20 year carreer as an arm twisting lobbyist (all together now, say ABRAMOFF) and his painfully obvious dismal qualifications to be POTUS. That will do some serious damage to his armor and freds? own performances will seal his fate.
If he wants to project anything other than that, he better get his a$$ in gear.
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 10:22 AM
That may be the only truly sensible comment in this thread.
Tennman on June 13, 2007 at 10:36 AM
If we nominate Fred, I can tell you right now we won’t win the election. He comes across as a sleazy and oily politician. Furthermore, he won’t be able to debate. He hasn’t even announced and he is getting the reputation for boring, bad performances.
When Americans feel safe, they vote Democrat. Giuliani reminds everyone why we should be vigilant.
If we nominate Giuliani we will win the election. Let’s not nominate boring, old-fashioned Fred and lose the general election and put a Hillary or, God forbid, an Obama in the White House.
januarius on June 13, 2007 at 10:38 AM
No kidding. Fred would have been better served by an immaculately tailored Euro-cut double-breasted suit a la Carl Reiner in “Ocean’s Eleven”.
Kid from Brooklyn on June 13, 2007 at 10:44 AM
lol! I really don’t know. A couple of months ago, he was 6′5″, I think. He seems to gain an inch every couple of weeks, which is fine by me. I like tall guys.
Connie on June 13, 2007 at 11:03 AM
Step back and think about it. In some polls Phred is EVEN with the front runner and he’s not even officially in the race. This is homespun genius at work.
Neither Hitlery nor the Audacious One can win in the general election. Each election you must ask; who would vote for the Democrat this time who didn’t the last time? Who is there that voted for Bush who would vote for the Dhem? I can see a lot of Dhems voting for Phred ’cause he’s a regular guy.
Mojave Mark on June 13, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Why is everyone becomming a fashion critic all of a sudden. Freds attire is fine. His appearence is reminicent the the dress of the 40s and 50s. So leave it be. This mans substance comes from THE INSIDE! Besides if it’s good enough for Jeri it should be good enough for Karol.
sonnyspats1 on June 13, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Fred is the only candidate I like. I don’t see the appeal of any of the others. Maybe Fred isn’t the perfect candidate but name one of the other leading candidates who is.
Rose on June 13, 2007 at 12:33 PM
The thing is, you buffoon, you don’t know any of the people you insult either. I know it’s a one-way street for you, but you aren’t the only REAL conservative around. Say, is that you, Soothsayer?
Freelancer on June 13, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Yes- vigilant against putting another amnesty loving RINO in the White House.
And a RINO Rudy supporter calling Fred a “sleazy politician”? Oh, the irony.
Hollowpoint on June 13, 2007 at 12:38 PM
I disagree. Polls are interesting, but votes win elections, and if Rudy is on the ticket, a lot of conservatives aren’t going to bother to vote. Fred is the only candidate I see any more than a handful of people exited about, and if he runs well, is the only candidate who can get conservatives off their butts to vote.
Voting against candidates doesn’t work. The Democrats found that out in 04. Why would it work for us?
rightwingprof on June 13, 2007 at 12:50 PM
P. James Moriarty on June 13, 2007 at 2:21 AM
csdevens is really really really good at ignoring stuff, especially when it makes him look like well what he is, a hypocrite. Entelechy has csdevens back and swears that cs is actually a pretty decent guy, a position that cs is doing absolutely nothing to validate.
While the loyalty to a friend that Entelechy is displaying is commendable I have to wonder if it isn’t seriously misplaced. I don’t believe that anyone wants cs to mindlessly jump on the Fred bandwagon, just to stop with the intellectually dishonest and disingenuous attacks.
If cs could have dissented rationally and logically regarding Fred’s viability as a candidate we might have been able to have a vigorous debate over his qualifications or lack thereof. But sadly he couldn’t bring himself to engage in any semblance of honest reasonable rational civil discourse on the matter.
Having failed to do so he cast himself in such a pale limelight (and I do mean that in its true theatrical sense) as to raise the question of his capacity to do so on any subject where his view was not the majority view.
doriangrey on June 13, 2007 at 12:53 PM
A large part of the reason the press panned the Gettysburg address was because of what was considered a great speech back then. The guy that went on before Lincoln was considered one of the greatest orators of the time. He spoke for about 3 hours.
When he sat down, Lincoln got up and, as the audience was adjusting in their seats and getting comfortable again after having sat for 3 hours, he gave a quick, non-assuming 5 minute speach – the Gettysburg Address. Because of the commotion of people moving around, most people hadn’t even realized that he had begun his speech by the time that it was over and he sat down again.
Add to that the fact that he was extremely unpopular at the time (the people of Gettysburg had sent his invitation at the last minute, hoping he wouldn’t show. They were extremely disappointed when he confirmed that he would be there) and it’s no surprise at all that the press panned his speech.
JadeNYU on June 13, 2007 at 1:32 PM
With 18 months left to go the only thing that is painfully clear is that among all the rep candidates and the lone non-candidate, freddie boy is the least qualified to be president. His skills lean more towards the senate where he can used prepared speeches and doesn’t have to answer questions. His performance last night was just a small sampling of how uncomfortable he is with extemporaneous speaking. If fred? is serious about being a public servant, he should move down to South Carolina and challenge Graham for his senate seat. In that position, his 20 year record as an arm twisting lobbyist would actually be a plus for the job.
But, just like his run for senate the first time, and this non-run for POTUS, he had to be prodded by his friends etc. to do it. That is not what this country needs. We need someone who wants it and is not dependent on others to motivate him.
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 1:43 PM
It would seem his object is to shut down debate on the issue of a Fred Thompson candidacy rather than bring up good points to forward the debate. i.e. If he can simply get people ticked enough, people will stop posting on Fred threads. I’m just surprised that AP has let this obvious trolling go on for so long. Would have thought with all the personal attacks and foul language he would have been bounced by now. But his garbage does drive up the hit counts and this board is a business driven by hit counts, so maybe there is method to the madness. I just don’t have the 8-12 hours per day he seems to have to devote to trying to dominate every Fred thread. Today is my girlfriends birthday, so I’m away for the rest of the day. Thanks you much for the note, see you again tonight.
P. James Moriarty on June 13, 2007 at 1:45 PM
OK….2 points here:
1) Fred! said he loved me.
2) Allah and Hannity are gonna be eating crow after Fred! demolishes their NY liberal Rudon’t.
Yeah, yeah…crumpled suit…..tired eyes…..do you folks remember we elected that idiot BOOSH twice!!!
Fred! spanks GWB (2000 or 2004) in all respects (nat’l experience, stature, enunciation, lack of familial monarchy..).
What say you, punks?
omnipotent on June 13, 2007 at 1:58 PM
I totally have Phred’s theme song. P.O.D.’s “Boom.” It’s perfect.
Boom! Here comes the Boom!
Ready or not, here comes the boys from the South
Boom! Here comes the Boom!
Ready or not, How you like me now?
It’s “boom” time baby.
Mojave Mark on June 13, 2007 at 2:14 PM
Karol, great lady, don’t be depressed. Look forward to the debates, to at least a few “I paid for that microphone” moments, or better, when Fred will mince the media through a fine sive, the kind bologna is made through. They won’t know what hit them and the people, right, left and center will love him.
The ‘opposition research’, with the characters running on both sides, don’t have much on him which will shock. We’re so immune to shock and the media being the soaps that they are superceded the shock factor.
p.s. csdeven (Mitthead), we all know by now that your favorite words are “vacuous” and “fakery”. Try new ones and calm down a little. You’ll need some energy to vote and party.
Entelechy on June 13, 2007 at 2:42 PM
Karol, great lady, don’t be depressed. Look forward to the debates, to at least a few “I paid for that microphone” moments, or better, when Fred will mince the media through a fine sive, the kind bologna is made through. They won’t know what hit them and the people, right, left and center will love him.
I hope you’re right. I still think Fred is the guy but I just don’t want to pretend that everything is rosy when yesterday’s appearance showed otherwise.
Allahtchka, so, where are you right now in terms of ‘08? Is it Rudy for you? Or are you waiting to see what Fred can do?
Karol on June 13, 2007 at 3:16 PM
csdeven on June 13, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Two words for you…George Washington…..Best and most popular President in the history of the United States of America, who also had to be pushed poked and prodded into accepting the job as POTUS…..Because he didn’t want the job either and only took it because he wanted to do things for this country that only the POTUS could do.
doriangrey on June 13, 2007 at 3:21 PM
Fred Thompson, The Candidate -Hoover Institute Interview
Connie on June 13, 2007 at 3:39 PM
OT – Karol, the Allahtchka reminds me of how we had to take Russian for a few years. “Good morning comrade professor” was how the hours started. Then, as soon as we could take French and English, we dropped Russian like a boat anchor. Now, I regret that, of course. Bread and water are still the words I remember best. And ‘comrade’ :) I use it now on my Russian friends, to their distress.
Agree with your assessment on Fred, though I didn’t watch last night – just from video/comments here.
Entelechy on June 13, 2007 at 3:41 PM
…and won by the biggest landslide in Tennessee history, if I’m not mistaken. What does that say about your theory now, bucko?
Tennman on June 13, 2007 at 3:49 PM
The jury is still out on this, imho. Is Fred the Fred that responded to Michael Moore quickly and effectively or is Fred the Fred that Hannity lead along in the interview? I don’t think we know yet. I don’t think Leno helped determine either way, though until he announces,it’s hard to argue with the strategy and mannerisms that have had him climbing up in the polls.
Spirit of 1776 on June 13, 2007 at 3:56 PM
This is arguable. He showed up at the Cont. Congress wearing his military uniform and when appointed commander also presented the same – who me? are you sure? presentation. I do think the core of your argument sound, but he was an ambitious man.
Spirit of 1776 on June 13, 2007 at 3:59 PM
Tennman on June 13, 2007 at 3:49 PM
Only president to recieve 100% of the vote……
doriangrey on June 13, 2007 at 4:01 PM
Spirit of 1776 on June 13, 2007 at 3:59 PM
No it is not arguable………..
doriangrey on June 13, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Thompson has been working within the two-faced, backstabbing, morally-bankrupt Hollywood system for going on 20 years now.
He even made light of it in this quote…
“After two years in Washington, I often long for the realism and sincerity of Hollywood.”
I’d say this probably makes him the most qualified GOP candidate running for POTUS.
The Ugly American on June 13, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Oh, I wasn’t arguing with you. I was quoting our mad hatter.
Tennman on June 13, 2007 at 4:15 PM
May I ask at what juncture of his career you are citing that speech from (since you have it in front of you, saves me the search)? There is no question of his honor and greatness, and he and Lincoln are widely polled as the two greatest pillars of the presidential office, of which I wholly agree.
My guess is that that speech prefaces the 2nd term, which he did return for under the widely assumed (and in my mind correct) belief that he was the best and most qualified to keep the country together considering the multiple forces and agendas at work, whether Adams/Jefferson/Hamilton, he was the only one that was able to bring them together and it certainly aged and wore on him.
If that is set in your mind to the exclusion of the evidence of the pattern of his life, I will not try to dissolve that belief. He is nothing short of a hero regardless. His own pessimism in his belief that America will eventually settle into a system similar to the British, makes his devotion to gives his last drop of blood to give this system a chance, makes him all the more impressive, in my opinion. No slander mean to him: )
Spirit of 1776 on June 13, 2007 at 4:20 PM
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