Fatwa uproar: Does the Prophet’s urine have sanctifying properties?
posted at 12:22 pm on June 12, 2007 by Allahpundit
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The rest of you can throw all the stones and make all the distinctions you like. I was a good Catholic boy for years and duly partook of the transubstantiated host and wine. I’ll just sit here in my glass house and watch.
In his book Religion and Life – Modern Everyday Fatwas, Egyptian Mufti Dr. Ali Gum’a wrote that the companions of the Prophet Muhammad would bless themselves by drinking his urine, and described an incident of urine-drinking from a hadith: “Umm Ayman drank the urine of the Prophet, and the prophet told her: ‘This stomach will not be dragged through the fire of Hell, because it contains something of our Lord the Messenger of Allah…’(1)
“This blessing,” Al-Gum’a added, “[can also] be done with the honorable saliva, sweat, hair, urine or blood of the Prophet. This is because anyone who knows the love of the Messenger of Allah is not repulsed [by these]; just as a mother is not repulsed by the feces of her son, this is even more so [in the case of] our Lord the Messenger of Allah, whom we love more than our fathers, sons, and wives. Anyone who was or is repulsed by the Messenger of Allah must recant his faith.”(2)
This is the second blockbuster fatwa to come out of Egypt in a month. The first, you’ll recall, prescribed better intergender workplace relations through suckling. Follow the MEMRI link and scan through the reaction from Egyptian authorities: their logic, such as it is, is that the relevant hadith must be unreliable — not only because of its provenance but because it makes for bad PR. That’s the second example we’ve had in three days of ends-means interpretation of Islamic texts.
The boss sends along this NYT piece about fatwas, which is pegged to the urine and breastfeeding rulings but ranges further afield. The takeaway:
A couple approached. The man’s clothes were tattered, and his wife looked distressed. Their 9-year-old son’s clothing was clean, his hair gelled, his smile bright. The man explained that they had adopted the child when he was 9 months old, and that they had just heard that under Islam their son had to be put out of the house, because the mother had not given birth to him or breast-fed him.
He would reach puberty as an outsider, and could not, technically, be around the woman he knew as his mother. The imam at their local mosque said it was haram — forbidden under Islam — to live with the boy.
The sheik said yes, that was right, that the boy could not live with them. The father leaned in, disturbed, and said, “And that’s it.”
The sheik seemed stuck and referred them to another sheik for another opinion.
That was their fatwa.
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Eau de Mo
pat on June 12, 2007 at 12:25 PM
I’m thinking it irrelevant as I’m sure the “Prophet’s” urine is currently in somewhat short supply.
Maxx on June 12, 2007 at 12:28 PM
This really pisses me off.
doufree on June 12, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Holy $h!#
Mojave Mark on June 12, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Holy Stream of Consciousness
Kid from Brooklyn on June 12, 2007 at 12:33 PM
Is this fatwa limited to Mo’s urine, or do they also sanction the literal eating of the shinola sandwich? Inquiring minds, and all that….
Kid from Brooklyn on June 12, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Fatwa in question does include spit (again, Maxx’s question regarding supply kicks in here).
I’d stop commenting, but I just can’t shake it.
doufree on June 12, 2007 at 12:37 PM
The Hypocritical Oath: First, do no haram.
James on June 12, 2007 at 12:39 PM
Does this religion sound more and more like a bad porn movie?
72 “virgins” and being peed on to be sanctified, little boys serving you in the afterlife.
all we need is some bad guitar playing in the background and ron jeremy and it’s a go.
lorien1973 on June 12, 2007 at 12:50 PM
So, big Mo was into watersport vids, was he? Bow-chicka-wow-wow….
Really, though…these are the same people who won’t even touch pre-packaged pork products?
James on June 12, 2007 at 12:56 PM
So if you’re not into this, you have to go all apostate and deal with those consequences? Sounds like some sort of Qur’anic episode of Fear Factor.
eeyore on June 12, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Nah, I’m not even comment on this one, I’d just get myself in trouble….
/urine trouble?
Bad Candy on June 12, 2007 at 12:59 PM
Perversion with a capital Pee.
RedWinged Blackbird on June 12, 2007 at 1:00 PM
Gee, that sounds like a vocal fringe group trying to force acceptance of something distasteful upon the unwilling. Now where have I heard of something like this happening before?
Fear Fatwa!
James on June 12, 2007 at 1:04 PM
Christianity has Sacraments.
Islam has Excrements.
infidel4life on June 12, 2007 at 1:05 PM
Maybe ancient Islamic mothers were different than modern American mothers, but, last time I checked, women around these parts aren’t exactly thrilled at the prospect of changing dirty diapers.
JadeNYU on June 12, 2007 at 1:05 PM
Boy, Misha is going to have fun with this one …
thirteen28 on June 12, 2007 at 1:06 PM
True that thirteen28.
Bad Candy on June 12, 2007 at 1:11 PM
Ok, I’ll play:
Holy Goldenflow!
Bryan on June 12, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Ron does resemble the bomb-head Messenger of Peace in one of those Danish cartoons … uh, someone told me he does…I heard, from somewhere.
But of course, this begs the question, what about …
doufree on June 12, 2007 at 1:20 PM
Gee whiz?
doufree on June 12, 2007 at 1:20 PM
“It’s kinda embarrassing to air the dirty laundry of the hadiths like urine drinking and spit smearing so stop that!”
“Now go chop your head with a sword”
jdpaz on June 12, 2007 at 1:22 PM
well then what does pbuh mean…..
VTWaldrup on June 12, 2007 at 1:26 PM
Nor do they tend to make midnight snacks from the contents.
Blech. Saliva, sweat, even blood — I guess I can see it, within religious context. But urine’s toxic. That’s why you die when your kidneys fail.
Tanya on June 12, 2007 at 1:28 PM
Darn, you JUST beat me to it…
religion of piss?. can I say that here?
shooter on June 12, 2007 at 1:33 PM
“The pause that refreshes”
fogw on June 12, 2007 at 1:38 PM
In mo’s (pissbeuponhim) constant effort to “one-up” Jews and Christians and their writings, he came across ‘the Blood of Christ’ and not really knowing what it meant, just had to go a bit further.
Al GUM’A , cmon really? Honorable sweat? saliva? where do the spew this crap from? (pun intended)
Thx for the memories mo. (pissnotbeinhim)
shooter on June 12, 2007 at 1:40 PM
I get it now…Islam is a frat and these are all pledge tricks!
James on June 12, 2007 at 1:41 PM
Hmm, since hair, sweat, etc. work, I take it that it’s not the actual “drinking from the faucet” that saves, but it’s the presence of Mo’s pee that saves (so much for grace). In that case, aren’t we all going to heaven because in the 1300 years since Mo pooped his last poop, it has diffused all through out the world and a little of Mo is in all of us.
pedestrian on June 12, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Does this mean that Minnesota will be installing new bathing facilities in the junior college, next to the foot washing facilities, so that Muslims can bathe in Prophet pee?
What if Americans just collect all their urine, bottle it, label it Prophet Piss, and send it to Saudi Arabia to help them celebrate their religion?
Would that be so wrong?
Tantor on June 12, 2007 at 2:15 PM
I’m Mohammacus!
James on June 12, 2007 at 2:16 PM
shooter, ya beat me to it, sounds like one-upmanship to me too!
4shoes on June 12, 2007 at 2:25 PM
The Prophet can piss off.
Tim Burton on June 12, 2007 at 2:30 PM
“Pee-On, apply directly to the tonsils.
Pee-On, apply directly to the tonsils.”
James on June 12, 2007 at 2:41 PM
Golden Shower Mo’™
Misha I on June 12, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Do you realize the implications of this? You can do whatever you want to any Muslim-argue, spit, yell, whatever…and then tell him that Mohammed told you to do it, so he has to take it. They can’t answer that, as their ‘faith’ doesn’t allow backtalk against Mohammed. And he’ll feel that he deserves it, as he is sinful.
Make Legalism work for you!
Doug on June 12, 2007 at 3:05 PM
From Hidath (sp) number 6,321.99 …
“And the prophet of peace said, ‘No matter how much I curse and behead, a little of your tea, runs down my leg’”
doufree on June 12, 2007 at 3:09 PM
Wasn’t there a story a few weeks ago about women eating the snot of their husbands? The prophets snot must be especially sanctifying.
csdeven on June 12, 2007 at 3:33 PM
I’m gonna make a fortune. Baskin-Robbins Tehran flavor of the month. Move over Bill Gates.
Limerick on June 12, 2007 at 3:36 PM
BAHAHAHA! I laughed a little too loud here at work. There are many of the Prophet’s “pee-ons” here, so I must keep it muted.
common sensineer on June 12, 2007 at 3:37 PM
Jim Jones or David Koresh didn’t even go this far.
In reality, the Muslim people have been drinking Camel urine for centuries to stay alive in the desert. So they quench their thirst and get blessed all at the same time. Two birds, one drink!
abinitioadinfinitum on June 12, 2007 at 3:43 PM
I wonder if mo’s piss is drank straight from the tap or is there some ceremonial golden cup involved?
csdeven on June 12, 2007 at 3:44 PM
HaHaHa, now thats funny !!
abinitioadinfinitum on June 12, 2007 at 3:45 PM
Okay guys, thanks a lot! I’m at work and I can’t even breathe from laughing at all your comments!
hollygolightly on June 12, 2007 at 3:49 PM
What happened to semen?
Entelechy on June 12, 2007 at 4:15 PM
Oh - that’s reserved for plowing the harem.
RushBaby on June 12, 2007 at 4:22 PM
You’d have to find a way to get it back out of the goat first.
Misha I on June 12, 2007 at 4:30 PM
IIRC . . . there may be more stories about ’sacred’ urine/sweat within the islamic culture. Having read Giles Milton’s “White Gold, The Extraordinary story of Thomas Pellow and Islam’s One Million White Slaves”, I recall reading that Moulay Ismail a tyrannical sultan of Morocco used slaves to collect his sweat/urine - considering it sacred as well.
heroyalwhyness on June 12, 2007 at 4:54 PM
I thought my imported Zam-Zam water tasted a little funny!
Whta’s the prophet margin?
profitsbeard on June 12, 2007 at 6:14 PM
One question. Does Holy Pee go with fish or red meat?
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GT on June 12, 2007 at 6:31 PM
In a related story…
R&B singer R Kelly has converted to Islam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Kelly#Controversy
mattshu on June 12, 2007 at 7:23 PM
Sure, after the Pedophile plunked his nine year old wife I’m sure he thought his pee was holy.
NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on June 12, 2007 at 9:48 PM
Now he can hook up with 9 year olds AND IT’S LEGAL in Sharia countries.
Mojave Mark on June 12, 2007 at 10:45 PM
Why do we insult the Prophet?…When the object of our derision should be the person who issued the Fatwah?
Aren’t we playing right into his hands?…Giving him all the ammunition he needs, to say “See…See how they insult our religion.”
I think George Bush is right, when he says, this is a religion being hijacked by Anarchists, and Fanatics…And, this “Dr. Ali Gum’a” is one of them…*HE’S* the person, who should be laughed off the stage.
Jus’ sayin’
franksalterego on June 13, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Huh? Nobody is saying that Big Mo’s urine is substandard in any way, shape, or form. We’re saying that it’s the same vile, disgusting, unsanitary fluid that everyone else has. The central theme of all the derision is that Gum’a says it isn’t the same. Or are we not allowed to profess our unbelief?
James on June 13, 2007 at 12:01 PM
I just don’t know, if any of this can be resolved by tossing insults.
But, don’t let ME throw water on your parade.
franksalterego on June 13, 2007 at 12:19 PM
I mean, after all, drinking wine, pretending it’s blood, and eating a biscuit, pretending it to be flesh, may seem strange, to some.
franksalterego on June 13, 2007 at 12:38 PM
(why am I even commenting on this thread??? eeeeewwwww)
This goes to show that Islam is really Mohammedism. Mohammed is their god.
This is similar to how, in one of the Infancy Gospels, the baby Jesus’ bathwater had miraculous healing properties.
JennyP on June 13, 2007 at 3:03 PM
As a Christian father of four, I was not loving what I found in those Pampers. No surprise that Islam would picture the display as lunch since their religious leader’s brains consist of it entirely.
Hening on July 22, 2007 at 8:29 AM