Amnesty Inc. set to buy off holdouts with $4.4B border enforcement package
posted at 9:58 pm on June 12, 2007 by Allahpundit
The quarterbacks: tantrum-throwing McCain crony Lindsey Graham and open-borders turncoat Mel Martinez. That’s almost reason enough to oppose it.
GOP negotiators of an immigration reform bill are crafting a large border security amendment with mandatory, immediate funding that they hope will assuage concerns of both Republicans and Democrats, FOX News has learned…
South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a principle author of the amendment with Republican Sens. Jon Kyl and Mel Martinez, says his amendment is designed to be “a confidence builder” to address members’ concerns that ramped up border security provisions in the bill won’t, in the end, get funded.
Graham hopes to provide $4.4 billion the day the bill is signed, through an estimate in fees and fines in the current immigration bill, to be used to beef up all the border security measures in the bill, with an additional $800 million for further measures, taking from measures put forward last year by New Hampshire Sen. Judd Gregg who called for more investment in capital infrastructure, like unmanned aerial vehicles and new Coast Guard boats…
Graham said this $4.4 billion would be borrowed from the Treasury and repaid once the fines and fees from the bill are collected, like the $5,000 fine each illegal has to pay for a work visa, called a “Z visa.” Graham said it would be better to do it this way, rather than an emergency funding bill, which goes directly to increasing the deficit…
Visa overstays will become a crime under the Graham-Kyl-Martinez amendment, and repeat offenders would face mandatory jail time, deportation, and a ban from ever re-entering the U.S. It is unclear what Democratic negotiators like Sen. Edward Kennedy will do. He has not supported this kind of stiff penalty in the past.
Graham would also forever bar employers from participating in the guest worker program if they have violated immigration laws repeatedly.
You know what would have been a real “confidence builder”? If the ’86 amnesty had accomplished even a shred of what it was supposed to. As it is, they’re going to end up doing here what they always do when it comes to border enforcement — make promises, appropriate money, and then follow through on a tiny fraction of it, thereby giving St. John another plum opportunity to nod grimly in faux indignant solidarity with voters wanting to know why exactly two miles of fence thus far has been built. Kaus:
As Kate O’Beirne points out, the proposal seems much more like a transparent ploy to give these senators pro-enforcement cover so they can vote for the bill. I think veteran comprehensivist Sen. McCain even publicly suggested this maneuver. … Democracy works, but for Senators eager to please business lobbyists, pander to Latinos–and who have secret contempt for their constituents–it will be a last resort.
O’Beirne has the only acceptable compromise, which isn’t a compromise at all: results at the border first, amnesty second. Anything else is cause for staying home next year.
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You know… the problem is that I just don’t trust them.
“$4.4B border enforcement package”
What’s that mean?
Laptops for every employee of Homeland Security? or a Wall?
Pamphlets extolling the virtues of this deal, or thousands of BCE/ICE agents.
I want it in BLACK AND WHITE CLEAR AS A BELL WRITING just what this “Package” is,
Because I simply do not trust people who spent all last week trying to give us the shaft in the most blatantly arrogant fashion I have ever observed in modern politics.
Jones Zemkophill on June 12, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Hoy blogamos, mañana no votamos.
Or, plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose? Sure, we can stay home on election day. But these SOBs won’t learn from it because they’re not at all interested in what we think. They have other priorities.
Laura on June 12, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Hmm. You mean like the millions of dollars we appropriated for hundreds of miles of fence last year? How much fence do we have? 3 miles? Yeah, a pig in lipstick is still a pig.
amerpundit on June 12, 2007 at 10:14 PM
Yeah, let’s all stay home next year and put a Dim in the White House. Or we could do something really off the wall like trying to elect someone who believes in borders. Gee, tough call.
bdfaith on June 12, 2007 at 10:16 PM
I wonder if Graham realizes he’s toast in SC?
jp on June 12, 2007 at 10:16 PM
This is another sham . . . don’t fall for it. I don’t care how big the bribe is, it’s not worth the cost of amnesty.
rplat on June 12, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Don’t build my confidence, build the d*mn fence. Urks me that these legislators think they can intellectually end-run the American public. The American people aren’t stupid, they just don’t like to look under the proverbial rock all the time because the machinations of the government isn’t pretty.
Spirit of 1776 on June 12, 2007 at 10:29 PM
They are out of their fury little minds. They don’t have the good sense to leave well enough alone and let the waters calm a bit.
Even if this abomination gets passed in the Senate there is still lots of hope in the House.
Back to the phones.
I now dislike Lindsey Graham almost as much as Harry Reid – that was actually hard for him to accomplish but he managed to do it.
TheBigOldDog on June 12, 2007 at 10:31 PM
That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard said in Washington. They really think they’re going to get $4.4B in fines and fees? So what are they going to do when the 9th Circus throws out the $5K fine on some pretense?
Do they think we’re that stupid to fall for it?
INC on June 12, 2007 at 10:31 PM
This is going to mean the end of many politicians.
Screw them all.
Why should we trust this enforcement effort with the track record Congress has iwht hte last promise they made?
drjohn on June 12, 2007 at 10:32 PM
Yes.
P. James Moriarty on June 12, 2007 at 10:33 PM
I agree, why would we trust them when they have a record of doing nothing after promising everything in 1986. I say we hold out for enforcement only, like let’s do something creative like, oh say, we just do the Oct 2006 fence and enforcement bill. After that is completed, we should then have some real data, then we can move onto what is next.
Didn’t most of these Senate bozos vote for the 2006 fence bill in the first place? I guess they didn’t mean it then but mean it now. Who knew. Not off to a good start earning trust are they.
tarpon on June 12, 2007 at 10:35 PM
So if they mash this POS through, and they all get voted out of office for being the pond scum they are, are they just going to live off of their pensions or is there money we don’t know about ready to line their dirty little pockets?
bbz123 on June 12, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Probably both.
INC on June 12, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Good lord! Graham is a phony little panderer and a flaming idiot. Every Republican that supports this deceitful sell out must be targeted for defeat in their next election.
rplat on June 12, 2007 at 10:39 PM
Now now, I am not an unreasonable man.
If the deal is:
The Department of Homeland Security shall complete a multi-layer physical fence along at least 85% of the southern US border before this Z visa/”Path to citizenship” goes into effect.
THEN I’d agree with it no problem.
THAT would be a fair deal. I’d have no problem with that.
Now personally, what I want is the Wall without any kind of Amnesty… But for the sake of finding a Middle ground, I’d be willing to allow some level of Amnesty AFTER a wall is already constructed.
Prefferably one involving landmines, caltrops, and Concrete “Dragons Teeth”
What can I say, I believe that if you’re going to do something, do it right.
Jones Zemkophill on June 12, 2007 at 10:40 PM
bbz123 on June 12, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Yes. ;-)
bdfaith on June 12, 2007 at 10:16 PM
I’m sure people will try to vote in people who agree that border control is not optional. But I can tell you right now, if my choice were McCain or Hillary I don’t know if I could vote under those circumstances. And yes, I know McCain is in the right place where Iraq is concerned. But Congress is going to pull the rug out in the fall anyway, so it’ll be a moot point.
This handbasket is getting awfully crowded.
Laura on June 12, 2007 at 10:45 PM
If that amendment is supposed to be “a confidence builder”,
well, I’m speechless.
It only builds my confidence that they are totally clueless.
INC on June 12, 2007 at 10:45 PM
I wonder of the Great Wall of China is for sale?
Tennman on June 12, 2007 at 10:46 PM
I’m getting real tired of the amnsety crap. Enforcement first, jackasses!
Bad Candy on June 12, 2007 at 10:52 PM
No deal you stinkin politico’s who think you can shove anything down our throats. No Deal!!! Enforce the laws that we have on the books. NOW! Dump the 12 million freeloaders right where they belong (back to where they came from). Build the fence. Man it. Get this country back on track and then we just might listen to you jerk-off’s again. I said maybe!
NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on June 12, 2007 at 10:57 PM
Actions speak louder than promises, even promises of money.
After four decades of false promises it’s not to much to ask.
Every American deserves the protection guaranteed them without having to fight our own government in the process.
Enforcement now, new laws later, rewarding the problem can wait.
Speakup on June 12, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Guardsmen on border accused of running smuggling ring
INC on June 12, 2007 at 11:05 PM
INC, there was a post on that here yesterday…
Bad Candy on June 12, 2007 at 11:06 PM
American business has had many opportunities in the past to exploit labor and trade of our country and others and those ‘greed at the expense of citizens’ interests have been reined in for it because this is not America the business opportunity, this is America the beautiful, the free and the brave.
Speakup on June 12, 2007 at 11:09 PM
No one believes them on anything any more. We don’t need a new law for now. Just enforce the ones we have. This is worse than what was passed last year, and never enforced. This admin. can’t be trusted on this issue, no matter what they say.
These “representatives” don’t have any credibility either and the lid is off. One can’t unsc*ew one’s constituents. Let’s not let them!
I saw Rudy on H&C and he made a lot of sense on this and other topics. Of course he’s feeling the “rightie Messiah’s” heat closer and closer.
Hardly anyone addresses the #1 cause which is the fact that employers hire illegal labor. Endless laws will fix nothing until this is addressed. There is no border tight and high enough to encircle the U.S.A. The magnet is simply too powerful and that’s the #1 issue.
Entelechy on June 12, 2007 at 11:16 PM
They keep saying that the status quo is “amnesty”, but that’s just because they haven’t been enforcing the freaking laws! This is just such an insult to all of us. “Oh, we haven’t done jack so far, but the “triggers” will make sure everything gets done.” Bull****
WisCon on June 12, 2007 at 11:21 PM
You said a mouthful there brother.
Griz on June 12, 2007 at 11:21 PM
Bad Candy, sorry, I missed it.
INC on June 12, 2007 at 11:26 PM
Here is the “Scorched Earth” three step plan for border security.
Step One…
Secure the freaking border! Use the Military, police, civilians or whoever to watch it. Build the damn fence and then patrol it. Almost every other country on the Planet has some form of military patrolling its border. This is done for a reason. You wouldn’t leave you back door unlocked so let’s not leave our borders unsecured.
Step Two…
Take away the incentive of Illegal aliens. That’s right. We must punish those who would otherwise employ these illegals. First, we have to tamper-proof our SS (Social Security) system and create a “tamper proof card” for US citizens and legal residents. Don’t give me this crap that it’s impossible because we already have a credit card system that’s virtually impossible to tamper with and forge.
This would protect employers from criminals using fake documents and at the same time takes away virtually all excuses for employers to claim they were duped hiring illegals.
Once this card is in place, make it unlawful for illegals to utilize any government services. No welfare, food stamps, cash assistance or anything except emergency medical services. If an illegal turns up in the hospital, he/she should be treated, and then deported as soon as they receive a clean bill of health. That sounds harsh but they should have thought about that before they illegally broke into this country.
Step Three…
Deport all illegals in our jail and prison systems. There is no need to waste taxpayer money on these worthless people.
After we have accomplished these steps, we can work on dealing with the rest of the illegals in this country. I know they say we can’t deport 12 million people. This is true. However my plan would not require us to deport them all. Most would self-deport after not being able to secure jobs or services. Who would take their place you ask? Americans would that’s who. In the short term you would have to pay more for certain services, sure but in comparison to the money saved by getting rid of millions of illegals would be worth it.
There is no such thing as a job that Americans won’t do. There are only jobs that Americans won’t do for a certain price.
Here is the “Scorched Earth” plan for border security.
Step One…
Secure the freaking border! Use the Military, police, civilians or whoever to watch it. Build the damn fence and then patrol it. Almost every other country on the Planet has some form of military patrolling its border. This is done for a reason. You wouldn’t leave you back door unlocked so let’s not leave our borders unsecured.
Step Two…
Take away the incentive of Illegal aliens. That’s right. We must punish those who would otherwise employ these illegals. First, we have to tamper-proof our SS (Social Security) system and create a “tamper proof card” for US citizens and legal residents. Don’t give me this crap that it’s impossible because we already have a credit card system that’s virtually impossible to tamper with and forge.
This would protect employers from criminals using fake documents and at the same time takes away virtually all excuses for employers to claim they were duped hiring illegals.
Once this card is in place, make it unlawful for illegals to any government services. No welfare, food stamps, cash assistance or anything except emergency medical services. If an illegal turns up in the Hospital, he/she should be treated, and then deported as soon as they receive a clean bill of health. That sounds harsh but they should have thought about that before they illegally broke into this country.
Step Three…
Deport all illegals in our jail and prison systems. There is no need to waste taxpayer money on these worthless people.
After we have accomplished these steps, we can work on dealing with the rest of the illegals in this country. I know they say we can’t deport 12 million people. This is true. However my plan would not require us to deport them all. Most would self-deport after not being able to secure jobs or services. Who would take their place you ask? Americans would that’s who. In the short term you would have to pay more for certain services, sure but in comparison to the money saved by getting rid of millions of illegals would be worth it.
There is no such thing as a job that Americans won’t do. There are only jobs that Americans won’t do for a certain price.
Once we have taken care of this part, we can then talk about dealing with the rest of the illegals here but until the Government actually does something instead of flapping their worthless yaps. We will continue to shake our heads in disgust that these proposals that will destroy this country and make it a third-world nation.
Scorched_Earth on June 12, 2007 at 11:26 PM
Crap I double posted it
Scorched_Earth on June 12, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Copy that.
Is there a better metaphor for this GOP than a sham amnesty bill for illegal aliens being “paid for” by $4.4 billion in new debt and a basketfull of promises?
Jaibones on June 12, 2007 at 11:28 PM
It was worth saying twice. :)
JayHaw Phrenzie on June 12, 2007 at 11:31 PM
Here’s what the fly on the wall heard:
McCain: “We need to mention something about a goddammed fence!”
Graham: “I think the bigots are dumb enough to believe this and back off. My office isn’t getting as many calls anyways.”
Martinez: “This is hard work! I’m glad I’m smarter than 2/3 of Americans!”
Kyl: “We need to ask Lord Kennedy if he’ll vote for this”
*PUKE*
SouthernGent on June 13, 2007 at 12:03 AM
OK Mr Bush, Mr McCain, Mr. Kennedy… when we can go down the border and see the 700 or so miles of fence you owe us as well as all those new border patrol agents, and the old trailer down the road that has 30 illegals living in it is empty we’ll ask Ramos, Compean, and Hernandez if we should trust you guys.
Buzzy on June 13, 2007 at 12:48 AM
I wouldn’t go for this Crapzilla if they gave me the check for the $4.4 billion personally.
Because, if the country is lost, the bribe money’s useless.
profitsbeard on June 13, 2007 at 1:23 AM
Buzzy on June 13, 2007 at 12:48 AM
Well said………
doriangrey on June 13, 2007 at 1:29 AM
What part of NO AMNESTY do these lying a$$holes *NOT UNDERSTAND?
georgej on June 13, 2007 at 2:17 AM
I smell BullSh!t….
Anytime the President or his cronies talk about the Border, look at their lips. If they are moving, they are lying.
Yes, Mr. President, you are a liar!!!!!!
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Lord, it must be nice to be so rich as to not be forced to live in the neighborhood that these illegals live in. They move from Mexico and transplant their lifestyle: trash dumped in the alleys, shade tree mechanics (with engine blocks left in the yards, corruption etc. etc….
Tim Burton on June 13, 2007 at 2:44 AM
Well, there is no word in Spanish: Amnesty.
You need to say No Amnistía. Then they might understand.
Tim Burton on June 13, 2007 at 2:48 AM
McCain really, really should find a better taxidermist.
Kralizec on June 13, 2007 at 3:45 AM
“Graham said this $4.4 billion would be borrowed from the Treasury and repaid once the fines and fees from the bill are collected…Graham said it would be better to do it this way, rather than an emergency funding bill, which goes directly to increasing the deficit…”
This doesn’t even pass the sniff test and demonstrates that Graham is playing smoke and mirrors games right out of the box.
Try buying a new car out of your “future earnings” and then convincing yourself that your spending has not really increased and your debt has not gone up. Hey, while you’re at it, but me one too, since it is apparently free money. At least the way Graham is presenting it.
Why not be honest with the American people Mr. Graham. Have you forgotten how?
DaMav on June 13, 2007 at 5:03 AM
South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a principle author of the amendment with Republican Sens. Jon Kyl and Mel Martinez, says his amendment is designed to be “a confidence builder” to address members’ concerns that ramped up border security provisions in the bill won’t, in the end, get funded.
How can we complained?
Fox News and AP finds Sen. Graham to be a principled author of the amendment.
The implication is that opponents are unethical.
(This is a feeble joke about FOX News’ Trish Turner and our friends at The Associated Press who do not know the difference between the homonyms principle and principal.
They are individuals who rely too much on the spellchecker because they were asleep in junior high school English class.)
slp on June 13, 2007 at 6:26 AM
I really don’t care what their ‘incentive’ is…I don’t want them here period…is that plain enough !
DoctorDentons on June 13, 2007 at 7:10 AM
The fines will never be paid, if they are they will be from the welfare department.
“I will pay you Tuesday for a
hamburgertaco today”They don’t get it, everyone (75%) is getting ticked off because of the arrogance of these leaders.
We will continue to say it: Secure the borders first, then we can talk about the other issues.
Just keep’n it simple.
right2bright on June 13, 2007 at 7:10 AM
And this is the fallout from the dance they are doing.
People are now taking it out on the Hispanics who want to come to the U.S. for a better life. Nothing wrong with that, most of us have relatives that had the same dream. Most of us just want it to be legal and reasonable. We need to fix the system where entitlement does not drive the law. Once the borders are secure with a strong policy, the immigrants, who legally enter, will respect and honor our system. Just like the Irish, Italians, Jews, Poles, Armenians, etc.
Let’s not be hating people who want to come here and become Americans, it is the system and the leaders who have created the system that is broken.
right2bright on June 13, 2007 at 7:18 AM
Boy, they just don’t get it. We DO NOT trust anything that comes from DC anymore. Their answer to ANYTHING is M-O-R-E M-O-N-E-Y!!
Bush and these idiots have had 6 years with Repubs controlling both houses for most of the time and they have done NOTHING (for those of you south of the Rio Grande that would be NADA). Now they aren’t getting what they want so their solution is MONEY?
Didn’t we already have MONEY authorized for the wall???
Go away !!!
stenwin77 on June 13, 2007 at 7:40 AM
Incredible! Wednesday afternoon I sent both of my Senators from OK almost the same message. A phased approach is what is needed. I even suggested that businesses could be punished in the same fashion that drug traffickers are dealt with, confiscate their property! Make the penalty for using illegal workers hurt and business will stop using them. But the most important thing is to stop the flow across the border. Go after the reason for coming here, illegal jobs, then go after the ones that haven’t gone home.
Well written Scorched_Earth, much more wordy than my letter, but well said. I wouldn’t be opposed to streamlining the mess that immigrants must go through to get in our country legally, after all, it is the greatest one of all.
bubbadog89 on June 13, 2007 at 7:45 AM
Great…we can have a real border, but it will only be funded if we submit to amnesty.
No deal.
James on June 13, 2007 at 7:47 AM
Honestly the saddest thing about this ShAmnesty bill is the fact that at the same exact time these guys want to hand out their permanant Z Visas to criminals they’re raising the rates for those people who have waited legally and patiently for permission to be Americans. Legal immigration is being made even more impossible by the Bush administration while illegals are being catered to and handed prizes for breaking our laws. Exactly WTF is wrong with so many of our politicians?
Buzzy on June 13, 2007 at 7:58 AM
Why, it’s almost as if they’re playing a different game entirely, isn’t it?
Laura on June 13, 2007 at 8:40 AM
McCain, Graham, Arlene Specter, Olympia Snow (job), etc…..RINOS
They have destroyed the Republican party. They are committing political suicide and if this insane dance continues, they are insuring a demoncRAT will win the White House next year.
E-mail your Senators and House reps and don’t send the RNC a penny. Money and power is all these invertabrates crave.
mountainmanbob on June 13, 2007 at 8:59 AM
I don’t care if it’s 100 billion, George Bush isn’t going to enforce anything, if he were he wouldn’t be guilty of dereliction of duty as of six years ago.
Just exactly why is it that amnesty is so important and enforcement is not?
Even as the American public is forcing movement on this issue we’re still being hornswagled and back stabbed.
Ike didn’t need a dance and a kiss goodnight to get this job done, he put together a plan and followed through, using enough manpower and local law enforcement they went home if aliens know we’re serious they will now too, there’s not one thing in this world that says we have to keep anybody who has no right to be here.
It’s years too late for bribes and promises, only action will do and a President that performs his job duties minus the manipulations.
Speakup on June 13, 2007 at 9:07 AM
If this goes through, forget next year’s election. You’re looking at a Democratic Executive and Legislative majority for the next 50-100 years.
Darksean on June 13, 2007 at 9:36 AM
Here’s a plan Lindsey, how about finishing the fence first, then we’ll review the rest.
moonsbreath on June 13, 2007 at 10:07 AM
Question:
Do the Z visas that everyone is entitled to under this plan require paying $5k up front? Or is that payment contemplated somewhere down the line on the path to citizenship? I’m unclear on this detail.
Dudley Smith on June 13, 2007 at 10:25 AM
No fence, no vote. ’86 immigration reform? ’06 border enforcement promises? Shams and shamnesty. Sick.
(Most irritating/insulting) Canards/Straw men:
- Round-up and deport 12 million. Shut it O’Reilly!
- Sensors/Technology. (I know for a fact that they work! But…) BS! Useless w/out authorization to arrest, detain and/or deport; enforce.
- Funding. $15B emergency or $4.4B recuperative? BS! What happened to the $Bs previously designated…no doubt eaten by ‘ear marks.’ And since when did this administration or any current lib ever give a sh*t about spending/the deficit?
- Comparing a southern (+800 mi.!) wall to cold war Berlin. BS! Anyone (including me) can leave this country…anytime…unlike the former USSR/Eastern Block. Immigrants/Guests to the USA need start by knocking on the front door. First and foremost, like most advanced countries, we need to consider what an applicant for citizenship can do for us. For needed applicants we should accelerate the naturalization process. Increase the numbers per annum allowed. Do it legally. Do it in broad daylight. As is, our “legal” immigration system can and does work. I know. My wife is a naturalized American citizen.
- Status; i.e., Carte blanche citizenship status. Currently, it seems, illegal aliens cannot (officially) break an American law. How can they when they don’t (officially) exist to begin with? Paris Hilton pulls a 45-day sentence for what? Three traffic infractions? The Fort Dix six accumulated how many? 75? How many days in jail? Zero (until now)? Continue ad nauseam.
Anyone have a kid in need of an entry-level job? Anyone of any age struggling to find part-time work–you know, the kind of work that American’s supposedly won’t do (manual/menial labor, construction, food service, warehousing, harvesting, landscaping, cab driving, etc.)? Good luck finding a job (in ((too)) many areas of the USA). Yet business owners and managers are (obviously) more than content with suppressed wages, benefits (none) and worker’s rights; i.e., status quo.
Being perpetually lumped together by this congress (and MSM) with the +one-third of America’s documented/undocumented electorate, which has not progressed intellectually beyond ‘fire bad’, has given me disillusionment beyond anything Cindy Sheehan can be feeling. Where’s American (congressional) honor? What is the meaning of integrity? Am I hopelessly naive? I’ve lost trust. I’ve lost faith.
I didn’t serve (voluntarily/with other-than-military career options throughout) 25 years in military uniform for this.
Only the reality that conservative blogs (thank you Michelle Malkin!), conservative talk radio and (a too often half-stepping) Fox news managed to jar enough senators to the realization that they cannot take a significant, intelligent and conscious, percentage of the electorate for granted, at risk of their own jobs, incomes, futures and egocentric power allows me any optimism at all.
BJ Phisch on June 13, 2007 at 10:43 AM
If I remember correctly, it was a $1000 application fee up front, then the remaining $4000 would be paid somewhere further down the line.
As an aside, am I not doing the math correctly, or is Graham’s $4.4B for enforcement only a tiny fraction of the assumed windfall to government coffers to be collected from these fines?
James on June 13, 2007 at 10:45 AM
Even the mandate for them to learn English is 10-14 years out. Are we to believe that for 10-14 years, our government is going to follow them around and ensure that they are speaking English?
This is a bad B movie.
moonsbreath on June 13, 2007 at 11:28 AM
Re: costs of Z visa: from WH Shamnesty info
Now, show of hands – who believes that money is really going to get collected? ::looking around:: Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Laura on June 13, 2007 at 11:44 AM
C.Y.A. for the Senate. Nothing more. Doesn’t matter though. If they pass this, they’ll be out on their cans next election!
Bloodhound on June 13, 2007 at 12:36 PM