New LAT poll: Fred second with a bullet, six points behind Rudy
posted at 8:21 pm on June 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
Your humble correspondent totally botched the earlier post about this, having relied on data from April instead of the new results, which weren’t out yet.
They’re out now. No wonder Fred’s thinking of taking it to Mitt in Iowa:
Republicans antsy for a conservative standard-bearer in the presidential race have begun to rally behind Fred Thompson, propelling the former Tennessee senator to within hailing distance of the lead for the party’s nomination, a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll has found.
Former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani holds first place in the survey, with support from 27% of the Republicans and independents who said they planned to vote in the party’s 2008 primaries.
But Thompson, an actor who plays a prosecutor on NBC’s “Law and Order,” polled 21%. Indications are he will join the race within the next month.
The two other major GOP contenders, Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, have fallen well short of the leaders and are in a battle for third place. McCain was backed by 12% of those polled, Romney by 10%. The rest of the crowded field is mired in single digits.
Meanwhile, the great social-con bonfire of Rudy’s candidacy continues, with Tony Perkins, Louis Sheldon, Gary Bauer, and Richard Land all joining James Dobson in feeling somehow compelled to publicly and noisily profess their opposition to him despite their insistence that they’re only acting as private citizens. They care deeply about the war, of course — just not so much that they’ll hold their noses and vote for Rudy if he’s the pick. Unless…
“Where Mayor Giuliani is today, I absolutely could not support him. However, I would not completely rule it out,” said Pat Mahoney, executive director of the Christian Defense Coalition. “There’s two words that change the whole dynamic, and those two words are Hillary Clinton.”











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OOT: It is my imagination or Savage just endorsed Michelle? (without naming her of course)
Ropera on June 11, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Luv the LAT’s descriptions of the candidates:
Mayor Guiliani
Senator McCain
Governor Romney
Actor Thompson
Limerick on June 11, 2007 at 8:35 PM
I think Hillary Rodham Clinton would energize the Republicans to vote, and not just in the primarys. Pretty sad when the choices are apathy and disaster.
Rode Werk on June 11, 2007 at 8:39 PM
The GOP, or some of them, can find the spine to protect the hapless and ineffectual Gonsalves, but is powerless to stop The Amnesty and Open borders Bill that will reduce them to a historical footnote.
pat on June 11, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Rudy 2008, Mitt 2008, Fred 2008…
All of them are just the right number of letters to tattoo on your fists, Night of the Hunter style. But you know in your heart two of those would just look teh ghey comin’ atcha.
“Ah, little lad, you’re staring at my fingers. Would you like me to tell you the little story of right-hand/left-hand?”
saint kansas on June 11, 2007 at 8:52 PM
Sorry AP, you can add me to the list of Rudy naysayers. I promised myself to never vote for a gun grabbing big government sanctuary city running abortion supporter no matter how hawkish he is on the war. The war just isn’t enough to abandon my core principles.
Buzzy on June 11, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Few things are scarier than the Dem field – the Empty Suit, the Pant Suit, and the SilkyPony Suit.
I cannot imagine any of them winning a general election against Rudy, Mitt, or Fred.
CrimsonFisted on June 11, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Any newspaper with the word Times in it I wouldn’t trust too much when it comes to polling data. Also I am not so sure if I was running on the Republican ticket that I would get too excited about poll results from such a newspaper. Remember liberal press like to pick the candidates in both parties. They do endless stories on McCain hoping to prop him up in the hopes that they convince enough folks to vote for him to represent the Republicans and then throw the whole weight of the Clinton campaign machine against him.
The press has a vested interest in promoting a weak Republican and if they can’t promote the cause of a weak candidate then they will do the best they can to tear down whoever makes it to the top of the heap. Can you explain why every story about Romney has some mention of him being Mormon but you never hear the link made to Harry Reid?
Just for the record Romney’s religion doesn’t bother me. His being a former governor of MA does!
So as far as Fred! having good poll numbers in the land of Paris Hilton and Blue Angels boycotters who find time to go on bike rides naked just doesn’t fill me any sort of warm, fuzzy feeling.
LakeRuins on June 11, 2007 at 8:55 PM
Que csd rant……NOW!
omnipotent on June 11, 2007 at 8:56 PM
If anybody knows csdeven’s number could you call and make sure he is ok.
Bill C on June 11, 2007 at 8:56 PM
Ronald Reagan, when asked about his acting, responded with something like “I don’t know how you could hold this job without being an actor” (not an exact quote).
csdeven, you’re still on for the San Diego get-together. Just don’t suffer anything major until then and promise to vote for whomever gets nominated. Teasing you not-so-mildly :)
Entelechy on June 11, 2007 at 8:56 PM
Fixed that. None of them would cause me to vote for them over Rudy.
Mallard T. Drake on June 11, 2007 at 8:59 PM
‘MUST READ’ ARTICLE ABOUT FRED THOMPSON AT THE CAPTAIN’S QUARTERS
George Wills attacks and the Captain ably rebuts
Christoph on June 11, 2007 at 9:06 PM
Rudy is too liberal on social issues, right now, it looks like the only people who can save the Republican party from certain defeat are McCain, who will have problems b/c of the amnesty bill, and Jeb Bush who has said he will not be running.
mainmann on June 11, 2007 at 9:13 PM
I think the republicans need to be realistic.
While Fred! or Mitt are more preferrable to be personally, Guiliani is the most electable nationally. He wins every poll pitted against a democrat, right?
Our chances in 2008 are weak already. Why make them weaker?
lorien1973 on June 11, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Interesting: Neal Boortz the other day said the it’d be Mrs. Clinton/Obama vs. Giuliani/Rice…Dick Morris just said the same thing on H/C.
I’m not so sure about Miss Rice these days. She’s too much of a dove for my taste.
SouthernGent on June 11, 2007 at 9:18 PM
At this precise moment Mark Levin is ranting full speed against the “Repubicans”. Gotta love him!
Ropera on June 11, 2007 at 9:18 PM
I’m sticking with Mitt right up til the nomination. LIke my friend Pat Mahoney says whomever the Gop person is it is still going to be a far cry better than the Hildabeast.
auspatriotman on June 11, 2007 at 9:25 PM
I haven’t dropped my support for Rudy, but Fred is looking more interesting all the time. As the campaigns run forward, there will be plenty of time to narrow down the field. Perhaps too much time.
thedecider on June 11, 2007 at 9:39 PM
Run Hitlery run!
Fred will crush her. Men of the world, keep your male parts and vote for Fred!
Mojave Mark on June 11, 2007 at 9:54 PM
Listen, I like Rudy the person, and I truly admire his leadership record in the aftermath of 9/11. He’s got a great sense of humor as well, as he showed during the “Wrath of G-d” incident during the last debate. Christofascist godbag that I am, I laughed my butt off at his response. I just can’t stand his politics so he’s not my first choice.
But will I hold my nose and pull the handle for him if he turns out to be the GOP pick in ’08?
Unless the Demo-brats dust off Zell Miller and run him against him, sure.
Just don’t expect me to do the same for McVain. I’d sooner pull for Satan than vote for him.
Misha I on June 11, 2007 at 10:32 PM
How long until csdeven lets us know how irrelevant and unreliable polls are? Of course like any partisan(myself included) that is the knee jerk reaction to a poll that doesn’t support your position. I control my urges, let’s see if he can.
TBinSTL on June 11, 2007 at 10:39 PM
I’d have much preferred see them run some of the primary gauntlet as well as see some more earnest asessments of some interparty one-on-ones once the field is winnowed so we don’t have so much distracting static. But even though I can’t, it’s still way to early to commit.
Bottom line for me is getting the best candidate for winning the last leg of the race. (Advance notice to Senators/Reps: That attitude does not carry over to any POS bill supporters.)
Dusty on June 11, 2007 at 10:44 PM
Pass the spliff dude…
Bad Candy on June 11, 2007 at 11:29 PM
Lets see, these “republican-leaning” voters select a non-candidate who is hiding under his desk over real candidates that debate and actually have to answer the tough questions. And those candidates are still standing. Maybe freddie boy can bank these polls and pull them out in a debate whenever he gets in a jamb? That is if he ever actually announces.
csdeven on June 11, 2007 at 11:30 PM
I don’t know. Unless McCain gets the nomination, which is not bloody likely, I think the days of right-wing apathy are pretty much over. With hot-button issues such as Iran, the GWOT, homeland security and immigration, we’re going to see some pretty high conservative voter turnout IF we choose the right nominee. Throw Hillary in the mix and the turnout both for and against her should be huge among the general public.
CliffHanger on June 11, 2007 at 11:32 PM
Yep! We’re still on babe! I think we have a couple more that “get me” and want to party down with you, tickle, and me in San Diego. I forget who they are, but they wouldn’t rise to my BS for nothing.
They’re cool.
Peace and cheers!
csdeven on June 11, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Yeah. They’re still standing all right. Right under the fast transit exit for Sh*t mountain. The ‘abortion’ Guy, the ‘Immigration Reform’ Guy, and the ‘Who the Hell is that’ Guy. There they are..answering tough questions. And nobody is listening. If charisma was electricity, these guys couldn’t kick start a weed whacker. If Fred doesn’t run, you should take my advice and draft Hugo Chavez. You won’t win with any of these clowns; especially not after the immigration debacle. The base is demoralized and betrayed; and now we’re being marginalized as a bunch of know nothing racists. You won’t get them to the polls with uninspired candidates. I can stand on a stage answering policy questions; and no one would give a crap about me either. You may not believe in Thompson but your faith in the turd sandwich candidates is tedious as hell.
austinnelly on June 12, 2007 at 12:44 AM
Phred is a total dose of Phresh air. He’s not inside. He’s not outside. He’s uniquely… Fredalicious.
Mojave Mark on June 12, 2007 at 1:03 AM
I plan on donating a small amount to Fred after the 15th and letting him know that more will be forthcoming after he actually/fully declares and I have seen full performance!
SSG Fuzzy on June 12, 2007 at 3:06 AM
Yep, speaks volumes about how worried the MSM is, especially when even they know that Fred! has been politically active longer than any of them.
Freelancer on June 12, 2007 at 5:52 AM
Entelechy, I’m thinking the grassy area along Harbor Dr., next to the Midway would be a good meeting place.
Freelancer on June 12, 2007 at 6:35 AM
Once fred? has to defend his pro-choice beliefs, his history as a lobbyist, and other such weaknesses, he will fall flat on his face and all we’ll be left with is a choice between those turd sandwich’s and the traitorous dems. fred? is the least qualified non-candidate in their field and the American public, unlike his groupies, are not going to be hypnotized by fake pickup trucks, bluejeans, flannel shirts, and folksy rhetoric.
csdeven on June 12, 2007 at 8:27 AM
Yes, he has been politically active……twisting the arms of elected leaders behind closed doors for the benefit of special interest groups for 20 years.
THAT is not the kind of “public service” the American people want from a President.
csdeven on June 12, 2007 at 8:44 AM
I’ve never seen FRED! act in anything. Ever. I am not lulled by his smooth southern mannerisms and accent, as I’m Texan and surrounded by accents like that constantly. The only reason I know about the red truck is because the rabid anti-FRED!ite mentions it everytime FRED!’s name comes up in any post.
I’m looking and listening to what FRED!actually has to say, as well as what he’s done, and I like what I’m seeing and hearing. He’s running a brilliant pre-campaign getting his message directly to the People, very nearly completely under and in spite the msm.
He is exactly what this country needs and he gets my full support and as much money as I can send his way.
RUN! FRED! RUN!
techno_barbarian on June 12, 2007 at 10:09 AM
Is she really the only one we’re worried about? As far as I can see, it’s either going to be here or Obama, unless Gore steps in, and really, is there anyone of those three that any of us can find acceptable?
Unless his meaning is that Rudy has a better chance of beating her, I do not understand that sentence. Even if Clinton isn’t the Dem choice, I still want someone other than Obama, Gore (and not that he has a chance but still) or even Edwards.
This “anybody but Hillary” thing is not helpful.
Esthier on June 12, 2007 at 11:09 AM
Freelancer on June 12, 2007 at 6:35 AM
Deal, but exact location needs to remain under cover. You and I will work it out. We’ll host anyone, even our beloved trolls, so long as we win :)
Entelechy on June 12, 2007 at 12:39 PM