Video: St. John panders about the “goddamned fence”

posted at 12:20 pm on June 10, 2007 by Allahpundit

Remember this?

A day earlier, in Milwaukee, in front of an audience of more sympathetic businessmen, McCain had been asked how debate over the immigration bill was playing politically. “In the short term, it probably galvanizes our base,” he said. “In the long term, if you alienate the Hispanics, you’ll pay a heavy price.” Then he added, unable to help himself, “By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.”

I don’t get it. There’s no rhetoric here, on the campaign trail, among voters outraged at the amnesty bill and the fact that exactly two of the 700 miles that were promised have been built, about the fence being ineffective or “goddamned.”

What could explain this curious lack of “straight talk”?

Update: I wish Mel Martinez was running for president so we could watch him squirm. In the absence of that, I’ll settle for this.


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What could explain this curious lack of “straight talk”?

St. John was hit by reality.

amerpundit on June 10, 2007 at 12:22 PM

I agree, sort of. A “fence” is not as effective as a very high, wide, unscalable WALL!

Watching McCain like this is like watching a fish flop on the sand…gasping for air. Fun stuff!

SouthernGent on June 10, 2007 at 12:32 PM

It irritates me when this discussion gets cast in political terms; i.e. ‘alienate’ or ‘destroy the Republican party’ or ‘won’t win another election’. How about we do what’s right first? It’s not about winning elections – that can be done by spreading the ideals, not pandering.

From the link,

Martinez, in a brief interview Thursday afternoon, shrugged off the poll numbers and vowed to keep working for the reform legislation.

“I didn’t come here to take the easy way,” Martinez said.

Well pal, what if the easy way also happens to be the will of the people? Shrug it off.

Spirit of 1776 on June 10, 2007 at 12:34 PM

While we have your attention, Senators:

FUND THE GODDAMMED FENCE.

RushBaby on June 10, 2007 at 12:37 PM

‘They’ over and over…….no John…..’We’.

Gaining the hispanic vote now or in the near term is BS. It won’t happen. After whatever portion of the illegal immigrant population is allowed to remain, and matures in the melting pot, then we have a chance.

I cannot understand how a controlled entry system hurts the United States.

Limerick on June 10, 2007 at 12:40 PM

Alienate those who break the laws?

Why not, John?

Or is it Damned John?

Illegal aliens have alienated us.

By invading the country.

With the blind approval of McCains.

Who gets a great damned pension, no matter what the hell happens to the country.

A true Hispanic patriot.

(A shame he forgot the part about defending the U.S. Constitution.)

profitsbeard on June 10, 2007 at 12:40 PM

profitsbeard on June 10, 2007 at 12:40 PM

Well said. Amen! Put that on a billboard, t-shirt, bumpersticker!

CrimsonFisted on June 10, 2007 at 12:46 PM

Some of you are beating me to the punch. I’ve been wondering for some time, someone please explain to me, exactly who the hell asked for this reform bill? Who asked for hundreds of pages of legal BS and sleight of hand written with the advice of La Raza and other open borders advocates? Who asked for amnesty for law breakers? I could go on and on about how I would like to see less immigration all around, legal immigration too, having to do with assimilation matters. What we want is a sovereign nation with secure borders or there is no nation.

Jeff on June 10, 2007 at 12:50 PM

The Senate, Bush et al, they are dumbfounded by the outcry…and stand there looking like gasping fish out of water when confronted by ‘Americans’! How could “WE” be so wrong about their pet projects? How could “WE” get it so wrong, in their opinions? How could “WE” fail to appreciate the higher mentatlity and intellect they bring to the issue? How? Wake Up…..it is no mystery to us citizens…..we recognize a screwing when it is right in front of us! Amnesty is just that…amnesty….and all the politico speak in the world will not change it. Surprise…….we are no where near as dumb as the DC folks like to believe.

dustoffmom on June 10, 2007 at 12:52 PM

Other than himself whom does McCain represent? He must believe that every citizen of this country is as dumb as rock. The man should give it up and retire.

rplat on June 10, 2007 at 12:56 PM

Surprise…….we are no where near as dumb as the DC folks like to believe.

Can you blame them for having a low estimation of our intellect? After they were elected by majority vote! :)

Spirit of 1776 on June 10, 2007 at 12:56 PM

What do you guys think would be hardest to get around/over through? I’m thinking a double layer fence with a moat in between. That way it would be hard to tunnel or climb.

V15J on June 10, 2007 at 12:58 PM

V15J…I propose a wall that curves toward Mexico that’s at least 1000 feet high and 200 feet wide with a river of barbed wire below that is bordered by another identical wall with the National Guard on the other side of the 2nd wall.

SouthernGent on June 10, 2007 at 1:02 PM

>>>>>Can you blame them for having a low estimation of our intellect? After they were elected by majority vote! :)

dustoffmom on June 10, 2007 at 1:08 PM

So, then … I guess a moat filled with dragon fire is right out?

Jaibones on June 10, 2007 at 1:34 PM

There are people here in Florida already looking for a replacement for Mr. Martinez… People that were influential in his getting elected.

bj1126 on June 10, 2007 at 1:34 PM

Never too early; get him fully emasculated before the 2008 election. Then, he can focus his attention on catapult technology.

Jaibones on June 10, 2007 at 1:40 PM

“In the long term, if you alienate the Hispanics, you’ll pay a heavy price.”

What the hell are they going to do – drop an H-bomb on us? The truth is if we don’t stop the invasion by the mexicans we will ‘pay a heavy price’.

“But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.”

We don’t need a GD fence Mr. McCain – we need a GD wall. Oh, and by the way, we don’t need you to build it, we just need you and your ilk in Congress to come up with the funds to build what you have already approved. A GD WALL!

Who asked for hundreds of pages of legal BS and sleight of hand written with the advice of La Raza and other open borders advocates? Who asked for amnesty for law breakers?

Jeff on June 10, 2007 at 12:50 PM

George Bush and Teddy Kennedy and John McCain and the girly boy from South Carolina and the rest of the GD amnesty bunch.

One thing can be proven tho’ – blogs like this with their open forums can get the attention of those bastards who try to ram things down our throats. Michelle and the guys who run this blog should get medals for their efforts in helping to stop the GD amnesty bill! Long live Hot Air and GD John McCain!

OBX Pete on June 10, 2007 at 1:41 PM

St. John was hit by reality.

amerpundit on June 10, 2007 at 12:22 PM

No, St. John was full of Sh!t, just like every other politician.

I agree, sort of. A “fence” is not as effective as a very high, wide, unscalable WALL!

Watching McCain like this is like watching a fish flop on the sand…gasping for air. Fun stuff!

SouthernGent on June 10, 2007 at 12:32 PM

Needs more wall with lots of tank traps and barb-wire. Put the sensors around the thing so we know where they are going to try to scale it.

Tim Burton on June 10, 2007 at 2:07 PM

So far, this article (in my estimation) is the best on topic.

It is clear and gives credit to those who disabled the ‘beast’ for now, and faults the bill for having been concocted in the dark, by a few operatives. All politicians should read the article and get a grip. Note how Mr. Webb voted. Also note that all states are now border states. This is incredibly significant. The country is awakened. And the days’ work has just begun.

Above all, it credits the blogs and radio, today’s new media for organizing fast and effectively so many voices.

Mr. McCain risks going into history in infamy, if he doesn’t stop while he can. That w/b a shame.

Señor Martinez already dwells in infamy and can only stop the bleeding. The only reason he was appointed to lead the party machine was to push this bill through. Now he has to own it and it hurts. He should have remained a senator only and would have been fine. Power…you know how it goes.

Entelechy on June 10, 2007 at 2:14 PM

For objectivity – this country can’t be encircled by a 20 feet wall – simply impossible. The number one item to address is the penalty on those who breach the law and hire the illegal laborers, be they educated or unskilled.

Secondly Homeland Security needs to get serious. The guy at the ‘helm’ needs to go. It’s not the uninterrupted fence that’s the issue, it’s the policy of ignoring the borders.

Both parties’ pockets are bulging with donations from those interested in not changing…nothing will happen until someone in leadership calls it what it is and asks the people to send them lesser donations, by the millions.

Entelechy on June 10, 2007 at 2:20 PM

“By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.”

Thank you Senator McCain. You’d be doing the country a great service by resigning from the Senate and start digging trenches for the wall instead.

Hollowpoint on June 10, 2007 at 2:25 PM

McCain has a cognizant thought over the publics absolute loathing of congress’s inaction? Well, color me surprised.

csdeven on June 10, 2007 at 2:35 PM

St. John of Tiajuana should just shut down his presidential campaign right now, while he still has a chance of getting his deposit on the furnishings back. He’s made himself quite clear on the issue of open borders and amnesty, and no amount of pandering is going to fool people at this point.

As for Martinez, I was wondering how different things would be right now if–instead of the shamnesty crowd calling the shots at the RNC–they’d picked Michael Steele to head up the party. (Or almost any capable person who represents American interests instead of Mexico’s, for that matter.) Somehow I doubt that donations would be down 40% and they’d be laying people off, but maybe that’s just me. That’s some fine “leadership” there, Mel. Bravo.

ReubenJCogburn on June 10, 2007 at 2:40 PM

1 billion land mines.

csdeven on June 10, 2007 at 2:42 PM

John, give it up. Seriously.

It’s almost painful to watch you, bro.

Metro on June 10, 2007 at 2:45 PM

I’ve been reading the Secure Border Initiative newsletters to try to understand what’s going on with the program. DHS hasn’t talked to any of the landowners in Texas yet, and a lot of people are worried that they’ll lose access to the water they need for their crops and livestock, or that they’ll be walled off from huge chunks of their land.

Anyway, in their newsletter, CBP says it’s committed to buliding 370 miles of primary fencing by Dec 2008. They also say that they’ve just finished testing the nine proposed models of fences and vehicle barriers, so maybe now they’ll start moving faster on buliding. I think what will be more useful is the large detention centers they’ll build so they won’t have to release people. Also, the COP electronics and mobile sensor towers look promising to me.

It’s going to get pretty messy when they start condemnation proceedings on all those properties along the border. Rumor has it that the pedestrian fences require a 150 ft wide strip with paved road.

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/sbi/sbi_monthly_newsletter/

juliesa on June 10, 2007 at 2:52 PM

At this point I think we should use Johnny Mac as the first fence post. Mel Martinez, Ted Swimmer Kennedy, and Hissy Fit Graham will be the next three posts in the chain.

jaleach on June 10, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Mapsands will work… with something that uses 7.62 caliber or, .308 Winchester, mounted on it.

Franklin Hill on June 10, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Fifty-three years ago, when newly elected Dwight Eisenhower moved into the White House, America’s southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve. As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.

President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents – less than one-tenth of today’s force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

This is an interesting article about what Ike did that actually worked.

I don’t think our leader shave the will to do this, though.

juliesa on June 10, 2007 at 3:18 PM

“By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.”

This makes it sound as though King John could do as he goddamned well pleased.

In this video he very quickly moved to placate the gentleman who wouldn’t be shut up and who stood up to point out broken promises and the lack of enforcement will as portrayed by many members of the Senate including John McCain.

After the unconscionable anti American comments and actions by the Senator from Arizona this was as delightful to see as Paris going to jail.

Arrogance meets justice…has a nice ring to it.

Speakup on June 10, 2007 at 5:10 PM

Only interior enforcement of employers, denial of services will end illegal immigration but the fence and serious border patrol will seriously limit border crossing for criminal and terrorist reasons. Illegal drugs, women held against their will for purposes of prostitution, terrorism is a very good reason to build the fence and ramp up border security but the Senate decided not to fund such measures. I have serious doubts about both the Democrats and the Bush administrations agenda in not securing our border and enforcing our existing laws so as much as I can influence it, there will not be any immigration reform until I’m satisfied those things are being done. I actually can see where there may be a need for a guest worker program but we’ll talk about that after our government actually meets its prior promises and follows the law.

Buzzy on June 10, 2007 at 8:54 PM

Enforce the GD laws that are already on the books. What’s the point of writing new ones when the existing laws are openly ignored?

We need someone in the White House and in Congress with some Malkins to reverse this ridiculous trend.

hillbillyjim on June 10, 2007 at 11:12 PM