Oh, this amnesty is happenin’,
baby. He and his 29% approval rating are going to see to that. (Hat tip ……

I may thought of my first original contribution to the art of war. Did even Machiavelli or Sun Tzu ever suggest waging war by luring a people into voluntary contraception?

Well, since that didn’t work, we could always try enforcing the laws and borders. Maybe?

Tony737 on June 8, 2007 at 1:16 PM

You’re welcome to try, in which case you’ll just have to do the best you can with the men you have. Many of the men who might have done the enforcing either never made it out of the ovary, got trapped in a reservoir tip, got flushed out by an IUD, or got vacuumed out by an abortionist. Maybe you could “outsource,” though; I hear there’s a large, young, underemployed labor force south of the border.

While everyone is talking about Paris Hilton, Michelle Malkin is still reporting on some very important things.Namely:…

He wants border security first out of love; I, of course, want border security first out of hatred. Let’s compromise and both support security-first out of, say, conflicted ambivalence (though I must insist that that conflict include at least 10%……

The illegals say “Aqui estamos y no nos vamos.” We’re here and we’re not leaving.

We should say “Aqui estamos y somos enojados!” We’re here and we’re angry!”

Exit question: Will Fred’s campaign really bleed McCain’s campaign dry?

It will bleed everybody dry, with a special emphasis on Giuliani. He is the (more-or-less) solid conservative alternative to all 3 of the current “front-runners”. McCain’s already bled dry. Normally, it would be Romney that gets bled drier because he and Thompson are closer to each other. However, outside of the Global War on Islamist Terror, there is little to nothing the vast majority of Republican voters have in common with Giuliani, while Thompson is equally-strong on that issue and far closer to those voters on the other issues.

The stock market was heading up right to the day that the bill was looking good. The day the bill fell apart, so did the market.

pedestrian on June 8, 2007 at 1:43 PM

And the day after the bill fell apart:

Dow +157
Nasdaq + 32
S&P 500 +17

Guess that blows your theory all to sh!t, doesn’t it?

If the STATE DEPARTMENT’S PASSPORT OFFICE couldn’t process the backlog of 12.1 million passports applications (by AMERICAN CITIZENS with valid I.D.) last year in a speedy manner, thereby admitting defeat and suspending new rules in place to secure our borders, how can strangers who can’t speak the language, using FAKE DOCUMENTS expect to be processed for their amnesty “background checks” IN ONE DAY?

HHhhmmm???????

In what best can be described as a twenty minute cry-and-tell speech, Reid admonished those nasty ole Republicans for making him do it apparently forgetting that many Democrats also voted against cloture – both times.

Included in his cry-and-tell speech was a magnificent case of Chutzpah where-in he pleaded with President Bush to help him do something about those nasty ole Republicans who were holding up the bill. This plea, it should be remembered, is from a man who has been spitting on Bush and his administration for the past 6 years.

When all is said and done, there is one element in the great debate on the Immigration Bill that has failed to be considered. The American people. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THIS BILL! But, as happens so often in Congress, the people are ignored.

And why don’t the American people want this bill? Except for the bill’s two main provisions, the Democrats getting additional votes and the Republicans getting a cheap source of labor, they know from past experience that it will be a bureaucratic nightmare to administer resulting in very few of the provisions in the bill ever being implemented – no matter whether the Democrats or Republicans are in charge after 2008.

Finally, Lindsey ‘Goober’ Graham can try to put all the lipstick he wants on this bureaucratic oinker, but it will be the U.S. citizens who will suffer the financial disaster the bill will produce for decades to come.

The point of the bill is to make them no longer second class workers here and to allow more of them to leave their even worse conditions in their home countries. The fact that it benefits us economically is what allows us to provide the social services for their families and kids.

pedestrian on June 8, 2007 at 3:59 PM

Yes, thats true but the problem is that our leaders have no intention of enforcing our borders or our immigration laws at all even after this bill passes. I guarantee that if the American people were confident that the borders were actually going to be enforced this time the Amnesty part of this whole discussion would be acceptable. What we are trying to do now because of the fact we know they have no intention to enforce the immigration laws now (or ever) is to put our heal on their necks and make them pass an enforcement only bill seperate from the Amnesty bill. Our primary objective is to stop illegal immigration now where it is and worry about the aspect that doesn’t apply to national security later. Its the “comprehensive” part of this that is the sham. The only reason why then need this to be “comprehensive” is because they don’t want to really have to be bothered with enforceing the borders and the current immigration laws on the books. We are never going to allow that to happen again.

Nor am I comfortable using what is essentially second class slave labor in order to ensure the upward trend of the Dow Jones line graph.

The point of the bill is to make them no longer second class workers here and to allow more of them to leave their even worse conditions in their home countries. The fact that it benefits us economically is what allows us to provide the social services for their families and kids.

Is it because it’s ‘racist’? The race card’s a cop out playing on emotions strictly for self-serving political gains. I just do not get it with these elected officials who are duly elected and solemnly sworn to uphold the constitution, enforce the laws of the United States, and defend our country from foreign invaders.

ARGH!

I am going to need an epiphany to understand these reprobate politicians.

pedestrian on June 8, 2007 at 2:33 PM

Pedestrian, regardless of whether or not I agree with what you are saying at least you are arguing your point in a coherent, rational way. That is all I’m asking for from our elected leaders. Instead we have Bush calling us racists, Lott daring us to pass the bill and Kennedy/McCain attempting to appeal to our emotions telling stories about how the poor “undocumented workers” are driven into the shadows of our society because of our current policies. Because of the way the Amnesty pushers set up their arguments we cannot have a honest discussion about this.

In the end though, economic factors are a distant secondary concern in comparison to the national security problems cultural deterioration that accompany open borders and unchecked illegal immigration. Nor am I comfortable using what is essentially second class slave labor in order to ensure the upward trend of the Dow Jones line graph.

I want to hear them make a strong economic case for this

Actually either high wages or low wages can trigger a good economy. The tight labor market following the Black Death during the westward expansion of the US both lead to great periods of technological advance because companies did adapt. Low wages give us an edge in trade competition, but do not lead to innovation. At this time the US national security needs cost competitiveness (to reduce the trade deficit) more than it does more labor saving innovation. China has already racked up $1 trillion in hard cash, which means our kids will be working for the Chinese if we don’t start manufacturing locally again. I’m alot more worried about that then our illegal residents’ supposed allegience to Mexico.

I want to hear them make a strong economic case for this

Yes. And Trent Lott needs to make a better argument than, “Are you chicken. Come on, do it if you aren’t a chicken.”

I don’t buy the economic model of this at all. Adapt, adapt, adapt………that is what the corps will do. Will it mean a recession, slow down, 8% unemployment…..maybe, but not for long. This whole ‘jobs-Americans-won’t-do’ is the biggest scam since insurance.

Limerick on June 8, 2007 at 2:00 PM

Limerick, I agree. Not sure about the insurance thing but other then that I’m with ya.