I did not state nor imply that Freedom of the Press is unimportant. For the record, I do beleive that it is one of our fundamental freedoms. That does not mean, however, that it is absolute. It this attitude, that the First Amendment places the MSM above the law, that I am attacking.
As far as the New York Times, there is no conspiracy theory rrequired. You must not have been paying attention (or suffering from lefties’ traditional selective memory) when the NYT published information it knew was classified, about the governmemnt’s operation to track and find terrorists, even though they knew that there was no legality issue involved and Murtha himself, who has openly supported Bush’s impeachment, called them and asked them not to run the story. Now, given these facts as well as the knowledge that the story would inevitably reach the ears of the terrorists the program was supposed to track, there can be only one conclusion: Whatever their reasoning, whatever their excuses, the NYT made a set decision to take a side in the war between the US and the terrorists, and it chose the side that does not believe in freedom of the press.

Now, I do believe that as a legal matter, the press should be given relatively wide latitude in its reporting, otherwise we lose its essential watchdog function. However, when the information is classified, when it involves current operations against declared enemies of the US, and when even the opposition party supports the program, there is no excuse to run it. There is no watchdog function being served. The NYT ran it out of sheer arrogance and a chance to spin a story to take a shot at President Bush regardless of how many Americans died as a result.
I do not believe there is a conspiracy between the NYT and al-Quaeda. I do believe that the MSM’s arrogance and far left mentality leads them to support whoever is against America, especially when America has the temerity to elect a Republican President.

If you’re really trying to argue that the media wouldn’t report on a Holocaust if it was happening today (based on the idea that they aren’t reporting on what terrorists do) I’m not going to stop you.

Nonfactor on June 7, 2007 at 3:03 PM

Well, you ARE incorrect. Here are the FACTS. CNN DID NOT report on HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Iraqi’s killed when they were in Iraq.

Why not??? They MUST have had some sought of an agenda or they didn’t know, right? WRONG!!! It is a KNOWN FACT (You can look it up) that CNN was allowed complete access to Saddam BECAUSE they weren’t reporting any of the atrocities to the rest of the world!!!!!!

Reality meet Facts…Facts, meet Reality.

So to answer your question, YES, the media has lied about it (if that means that they’re not reporting it even though it’s known)

Fake, but accurate

When did I make anything even similar to that claim?

Here:

You’d really compare what some extremists are doing in caves or safehouses to what the Germans were doing over hundreds of square miles of German countryside?

Nice straw man

Bleeeep – wrong (again).

If you’re really trying to argue that the media wouldn’t report on a Holocaust if it was happening today (based on the idea that they aren’t reporting on what terrorists do) I’m not going to stop you.

I was actually arguing 2 things. First, the holocaust (referring to the extermination of the Jews and others, not just their incarceration) wasn’t known to the allies on D-Day, therefore, unless today’s media is far more competent that not only the media of the mid-40’s, but to the military intelligence services, etc – then, no, the current media would not have been reporting it ON D-DAY! (sheesh!)

Second, the media did little to report the holocaust-like actions visited upon the Kurds by the prior Iraqi regime, nor does it report on the current holocaust-like activity currently being undertaken by the jihadis. Perhaps if they did, you might actually comprehend the extent and the horror of what they are doing.

Now, I am NOT (and for the comprehension impaired I will repeat that), I am NOT comparing the scope of what is happening today to what happened during the holocaust.

I AM pointing out that the Media does a pitiful job of covering the atrocities commited by the jidadis (our enemies), especially in comparison to their coverage of the non-atocities commited by our military.

But if you want to argue for the competence and non-biased comprehensive coverage provided by todays MSM, I’m not going to stop you.

Freedom of the Press is only the third of the five freedoms listed in the First Amendment (note that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms gets its own Amendment for itself).

What a load of BS. Freedom of the press is obviously not important because it’s only one of five provisions in the FIRST Amendment! Is that a joke or are you being serious?

The MSM has grown arrogant in its inisistence that it is above the law. There are very few ways to hold such people accountable, but when they cross the line to commit blatant espionage and treason on behalf of terrorists actively engaged in killing and planning the killing of Americans(as the NYT has done)

Lancer on June 7, 2007 at 2:45 PM

Now you’re getting a bit crazy. Conspiracy theories look out! The New York Times wants to destroy America, and what’s worse, they’ve already spied and planned to kill Americans! IT’S A CONSPIRACY!!! Give me a break.

ALL GERMANS (and not just some “extremists” within the Nazi party) were not only aware of it, but were actually participating in it?

Fatal on June 7, 2007 at 2:46 PM

When did I make anything even similar to that claim? Nice straw man. If you’re really trying to argue that the media wouldn’t report on a Holocaust if it was happening today (based on the idea that they aren’t reporting on what terrorists do) I’m not going to stop you.

You’d really compare what some extremists are doing in caves or safehouses to what the Germans were doing over hundreds of square miles of German countryside?

Yeah, you’re right, the extent of the holocaust on D-Day was such that ALL GERMANS (and not just some “extremists” within the Nazi party) were not only aware of it, but were actually participating in it? And doing so over “hundreds of square miles”.

Sheesh! Do you know any history at all? Do you even know when the extent of the holocaust became known? Not just to the Allies, but even to the German people themselves? You must have an indcredibly high opinion of the MSM and their capabilites. Based on . . . . ?

Not only do you show your insensitivity towards American citizens’ freedom being stripped from them, but you also show ignorance towards Japanese customs and traditions. Brilliant!

Yep, and you’re so smart that you equated what I said the MSM would be saying about the situation (if it were suddenly transported back to the mid-40’s) to what I personally know or do not know. Or perhaps you weren’t quite “brillant” enough to catch that? Or, maybe its your belief that the media wouldn’t make stupid mistakes in reporting their beliefs about Japanese customs and traditions?

P.S. I’m sure that your PHD in Japanese Culture and traditions far outweighs any personal knowledge I might have from having actually lived in the country for nearly 3 years, so I will defer to your superior knowledge.

The MSM has grown arrogant in its inisistence that it is above the law. There are very few ways to hold such people accountable, but when they cross the line to commit blatant espionage and treason on behalf of terrorists actively engaged in killing and planning the killing of Americans(as the NYT has done), the laws are on the books to slap them down and remind them that they are not above the law. If only our President had the gumption to enforce it.

You’ve got to be kidding, right? Is our current media doing stories on how the Jihadis treat their “prisoners” their “collaborators”, the Kurds, their own people? What a laugh!

You’d really compare what some extremists are doing in caves or safehouses to what the Germans were doing over hundreds of square miles of German countryside? You don’t think the media would at least hear about something like that in this modern day? Anyways it’s a stupid hypothetical. Who cares if the media would know whether or not the Holocaust was going on, it is not relevant.

Besides, the media would be far too involved in publishing story after stroy about the illegal incarceration of Japanese-Americans. About how their guards don’t show sensitivity to their culture by failing to bow to appropriate levels when dealing with the Japanese (depending on the status of the individual you are dealing with). How the guards have walked right into the Japanese residence areas with their shoes on! (Time to RIOT!!)

Fatal on June 7, 2007 at 2:08 PM

Not only do you show your insensitivity towards American citizens’ freedom being stripped from them, but you also show ignorance towards Japanese customs and traditions. Brilliant!

And if we’re going for the hypothetical stretch wouldn’t the media have already figured out that something called the Holocaust was going on?

You’ve got to be kidding, right? Is our current media doing stories on how the Jihadis treat their “prisoners” their “collaborators”, the Kurds, their own people? What a laugh!

Besides, the media would be far too involved in publishing story after stroy about the illegal incarceration of Japanese-Americans. About how their guards don’t show sensitivity to their culture by failing to bow to appropriate levels when dealing with the Japanese (depending on the status of the individual you are dealing with). How the guards have walked right into the Japanese residence areas with their shoes on! (Time to RIOT!!)

How the Japanese are not being provided rice with the proper gluten levels and “stickiness”, making it impossible for them to create sushi, rice balls, etc, thereby depriving them of a culturally appropriate diet. How the Americans have not provided a single Shinto shrine in which the Japanese could pray, let alone the incense sticks, bells, etc needed or properly summon, petition and placate the ancestors.

These stories would be far too important and necessary to “let the American people know what is really happening”, to allow them any time to to be worried about how the Nazis (wrong war, wrong time) were behaving in regards to a small segment of the European population.

doriangrey on June 7, 2007 at 2:01 PM

He isn’t talking about speech in general, he’s talking about complete censorship of the media when reporting on wars. It’s embarrassing to see a conservative in the United States be in favor of media censorship, especially to the degree georgej is backing. If he isn’t supporting “big government” I don’t know what he’s doing.

Apparently you don’t know half as much about conservatives as you pretend. Not all speech is protected nor should it be.

Hate-speech…Not protected…
Fighting words…Not protected…
Slander…Not protected…
Libel…Not protected…
Yelling fire in a crowded theater…Not protected…
Revealing national Security information…Not protected…
Pawning an ignorant liberal…Priceless…

One thing would have made it better. Have them report on Omaha beach, then cut in with a “Breaking News” that Paris Hilton had been released from jail, complete with legal analysis. Then have a little blurb run along that bottom that Omaha beach had been successfully taken.

Nethicus on June 7, 2007 at 12:37 PM

Yeah! More believeable anchor actors could’ve helped too. Excellent production values, though.

If HotAir would’ve done this video it would’ve given the same amount of info in only 3 minutes and had better acting.

My solution to dealing with the media is to impose strict censorship on all reports coming from the Green Zone. Reports from embedded reporters don’t. Any reporters that attempt to circumvent censorship get tossed in jail for 10 years. Any publisher that publishes a non-approved report goes to jail for 10 years.

lol…oh wait, you’re serious… And you call yourself a conservative?

If today’s traitor MSM were reporting the story they would call it a failed debacle, a horrible miscalculation. They would over-report the German’s successes (report: massive air strikes by Luftwaffe, fact: Only 2 fighters made to the beaches, an no mention of German casualties at all), and not report the fact that the allies not only retained the beachhead but got OFF the beaches that very same day.

Our media, today, acts to support the ENEMY, not America.

Ernie Pyle, America’s best-known WWII correspondent, said “Every reporter is a citizen of somewhere and a believer in something.”

Pyle was not the “General’s Correspondent,” because he was often at odds with the generals in favor of the common GI. If you ever read his columns, he told it like it was, from the GI’s point of view.

We don’t have ANY correspondents like Ernie Pyle anymore. What we have are “correspondents” like that in todays “Day by Day” cartoon strip.

Today’s strip shows Zed, in the Green Zone, looking over the shoulder of a “correspondent” who is typing: “An official reported 25 casualties and 20 deaths in an…”

In the next panel, Zed says: “I talked to the guy who was there. The only one who died was the terrorist…” And the “correspondent” replies in the next panel: “Look, I have to make a deadline.” Zed’s final remark is: “So it IS and industry term.”

They are LYING, both directly and by witholding the “rest of the story.” This lying is deliberate and with malice (towards America) aforethought.

I found a blog that has some graphs that chart US vs terrorists deaths. If you look at the charts, we are SLAUGHTERING them with a kill ratio that George Patton would wet his pants to have achieved.

Is any of ths mentioned in the media? Nope.

Instead, every US KIA is reported so as to make it seem as if the enemy is picking us off, one by one, and that we’re helpless to do anything about it. Poor America, twisting slowlyin the wind while America’s boys and girls are being slaughtered in George Bush’s war.

That’s the story our traitor media is telling America and if they were around in 1944, that’s the same story they’d be telling America as well.

My solution to dealing with the media is to impose strict censorship on all reports coming from the Green Zone. Reports from embedded reporters don’t. Any reporters that attempt to circumvent censorship get tossed in jail for 10 years. Any publisher that publishes a non-approved report goes to jail for 10 years.

And any news organization that publishes ANY CLASSIFIED INFORMATION from a leaker, especially that undermines the war has their management before a firing squad for treason. And I’d start with the management of the New York Times.

America’s broadcast and print media needs to be cut down to size.

“Every reporter is a citizen of somewhere and a believer in something.” To bad OUR media believes that America must lose this war.

I can’t find monthly casualty rates online but a guesstimate is that we’d already suffered several hundred thousand in the Pacific by D-Day.

AP, this was all I could find. There is a breakdown of individual battle stat’s if anyone wants to look.

…….KIA….WIA(died later)..Died,POW…Invalided
Navy 34607 972 909 4647
Marine 17376 1682 510 10063
Total 51983 2654 1419 14710
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq11-1.htm#anchor2118718

(I hope this posts in the graph form for easier reading)

I couldn’t find any seperate info for the Army in the Pacific.

What politicization? This is simply reporting the event from a 2007 perspective. Do you disagree with how it’d be done?

If you can’t see the politicization in that video you need your eyes checked. Sure, some things would happen (people talking about how the economy will be affected by the war, people debating the war), as they should be–they’d happen in real life anyways. I’m all for the media showing the American people different positions and not toting a purely propagandist purpose, but to pretend like we’d treat an actual war (you remember what that is, right?) with Germany as we’re treating the one in Afghanistan and Iraq is ludicrous.

Germany didn’t attack us. Japan did.

lorien1973 on June 7, 2007 at 1:00 PM

Another thing about that video is that they almost willfully ignored the fact that Germany declared war on the United States and that we discovered Germany wanted to collude with Mexico. And if we’re going for the hypothetical stretch wouldn’t the media have already figured out that something called the Holocaust was going on? Wouldn’t that have been reason enough when stacked up with the declaration of war?

The point remains that this is a blatant politicization of D-Day and to see people who would otherwise cry out to the heavens that someone was politicizing WWII are lauding this video.

since they obviously agree with this politicization–it’s okay.

What politicization? This is simply reporting the event from a 2007 perspective. Do you disagree with how it’d be done?

Germany didn’t attack us. Japan did.

You don’t think we’d have whining about that from the pundits on TV who don’t understand the global nature of the war? Please.

Nonfactor on June 7, 2007 at 12:41 PM

A far-fetched hypothetical? So you’ve missed the media coverage of Iraq for the last few years? The body counts, the retired generals predicting doom, etcetera and so on?