Bush shocked to find his supporters don’t like having their motives impugned
posted at 6:59 pm on June 6, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Go figure, huh? Turns out it was all a big misunderstanding and he didn’t really mean to accuse critics of the bill of scaremongering and not wanting to do what’s right for America when he accused them of scaremongering and not wanting to do what’s right for America.
He’s got some tough Iraq funding votes coming up this summer and fall. I guess he figures he needs us after all.
President Bush did not intend to single out his conservative supporters for criticism in a speech on immigration reform last week and was “surprised” that his remarks angered Republicans, Jon Ward and Ralph Z. Hallow will report Thursday in The Washington Times.
“He was surprised by the reaction,” White House spokesman Tony Snow said of Mr. Bush’s speech in Glynco, Ga., last week. “The speech in Georgia was, ‘We’ve got a serious problem and we need to fix it.’ It was not in any way designed to be pointed at Republicans.”…
While one recent poll indicated that Republicans oppose the Senate bill by a 3-to-1 margin, Mr. Bush and his supporters have repeatedly accused the measure’s critics of being “anti-immigrant.” In a Wall Street Journal interview last week, the president compared the bill’s opponents to those who opposed civil rights for blacks.
I know Tony the tiger’s in a tough spot here, but I simply have to ask: if Bush’s criticism wasn’t pointed at Republicans, at whom was it pointed? Tony’s not seriously suggesting Bush meant the far-left, no-borders-at-all faction, is he? Because they’re not the ones who are typically accused of using “fear tactics” to push their position.
Exit question: Was Bush also referring to the no-borders-at-all crowd when he hinted that people who haven’t grown up in areas with large Hispanic populations can’t appreciate their basic decency and humanity?
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Wade on June 6, 2007 at 6:59 PM
’nuff said Wade, ’nuff said
heatherrc77 on June 6, 2007 at 7:03 PM
Lucky him - he’s lost us, but the Troops haven’t.
Editor on June 6, 2007 at 7:03 PM
Oh AP, how I love your sarcasm…haha!
hollygolightly on June 6, 2007 at 7:05 PM
He’s irrelevant now. It’s time to MoveOn.org.
HerrMorgenholz on June 6, 2007 at 7:06 PM
You can’t talk your way out of that one Mr. President … it’s a done deal. What better not be a done deal is your cherished amnesty bill for 12-20 million illegals. We don’t want your stinkin’ bill … do what the hell we, the people, your boss, say for once.
darwin on June 6, 2007 at 7:07 PM
These last 18 months are going to be like a train wreck in slow motion.
bj1126 on June 6, 2007 at 7:07 PM
Regardless of what he said, he should get his funding on the war.
But once he has the check in hand, he is cordially invited to go have sex with himself, in not-so-polite terms.
thirteen28 on June 6, 2007 at 7:08 PM
heatherrc77 on June 6, 2007 at 7:08 PM
Ain’t a lot of Hispanic types at Andover.
JackStraw on June 6, 2007 at 7:08 PM
Goodbye George. My plan is throw my support behind a REAL conservative now.
wryteacher on June 6, 2007 at 7:09 PM
Bush is a strange creature.
It must be a curious experience to live life in a state of perpetual mystified wonderment; constantly surprised at every turn when Democrats subvert you, when Republicans don’t like being called bigots, or when the water disappears after flushing the toilet.
I won’t be the least bit surprised when we find out he doesn’t know how to wipe himself.
Lehosh on June 6, 2007 at 7:10 PM
I can’t get over that even the Washington Times is playing the “Mr. Bush” game. The word “Bush” appears 6 times in that article… only once as President Bush, the reast “MR.” Bush.
RightWinged on June 6, 2007 at 7:11 PM
Why doesn’t Bush just tell us he didn’t really mean it and he is going to spend a couple days in rehab?
Spirit of 1776 on June 6, 2007 at 7:13 PM
That always ticked me off. Whenever the MSM would talk about Bill, it was always, Former President Clinton, not Mr. Clinton.
heatherrc77 on June 6, 2007 at 7:14 PM
Saw report the other day about George P. Bush supporting the upcoming Fred! campaign. That’s right. The half Hispanic (Mexican?) George P. contributed the candidate who is against McCain/Kennedy.
Wonder whether W. thinks P. is a “racist” and “doesn’t want to do what’s right for America.”
baldilocks on June 6, 2007 at 7:14 PM
Ah, here it is.
baldilocks on June 6, 2007 at 7:14 PM
“Those who haven’t grown up in areas with large Hispanic populations can’t appreciate their decency and humanity?” They also can’t appreciate getting into a car accident with an illegal alien who dosen’t have insurance, or losing their construction job because they can’t speak spanish, or having to choose a language for every single little thing you do. I am so sick of this clueless Elitist attitude. It’s really easy to recognize their decency and humanity when your only interaction with them is when they’re cleaning your house or mowing your 200 acre lawn.
bmac on June 6, 2007 at 7:15 PM
Did anyone happen to see the HuffPo article by Barbara Ehnreich (sp?) yesterday entitled “What America Owes its Illegals??” Sheer insanity.
I would’ve just linked it, but wanted to make sure we are allowed to put a link in our comments here? I’m relatively new (to commenting, not to reading HA), don’t wanna break the rules. Can we do that?
hollygolightly on June 6, 2007 at 7:17 PM
Jesus Christ, this place is turning into the Daily Kos.
Max Power on June 6, 2007 at 7:19 PM
locomotivebreath1901 on June 6, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Too bad he’s got those votes coming up. There’s no way to win back the base now. Sorry Bush.
PRCalDude on June 6, 2007 at 7:22 PM
As far as I know there’s no problem with links
darwin on June 6, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Nah - BOOOOSH is just turning into a South Park character.
Oh crap. Did I just say “BOOOOSH”?
Editor on June 6, 2007 at 7:23 PM
He want’s us back huh? Good, come out and say he’ll veto Shamnesty no matter what. Then go on offense for Iraq, AQ, & Afghanistan. Bomb Iran. Then build the fence and deport the 12 million illegals. Then prosecute DiFi, Reid, and all the Dems involved with Abramoff. Pardon Scooter Libby and prosecute the Wilsons. Then we’ll talk.
Otherwise he can take a flying leap.
Iblis on June 6, 2007 at 7:24 PM
hollygolightly on June 6, 2007 at 7:17 PM
Link away. Just remember to put a content warning if something isn’t safe for work.
JadeNYU on June 6, 2007 at 7:24 PM
With all due respect to all involved, we question the motives of others in the administration often, so we shouldn’t be too surprised when they turn around and question ours. Not saying that means we have to like it, of course, nor let it pass by unanswered.
SisterToldjah on June 6, 2007 at 7:24 PM
When you live behind locked gates and it’s the wait staff that’s decent and humane, your grasp on reality suffers a little bit.
When you take a drive in central and southern California, walk through some stores and read the news a little extra reality ’starts’ to sink in.
Footing the tax bill for people who have no right to be here and watching curse the US on TV gets to be more like a reality stake through the heart.
I don’t think ‘the base’ will forget being named as bigots and fear mongers because they can read..’the Constitution’.
Those silly little sovereignty and invasion clauses such irritating nuances that they are.
Speakup on June 6, 2007 at 7:25 PM
If he wants us back, he’ll veto the legislation. I support our troops by wanting them to have a country to come home to.
PRCalDude on June 6, 2007 at 7:25 PM
I’m not shocked that he’s shocked. The disconnect is miles wide.
SouthernGent on June 6, 2007 at 7:25 PM
and watching them curse the US on TV
Speakup on June 6, 2007 at 7:26 PM
If you look anything like Audrey Hepburn, I’m pretty sure you can do whatever you want.
JackStraw on June 6, 2007 at 7:26 PM
It’s done all the time.
Well, ain’t that a pitty. He’s basically domestically assaulted us, we’ve filed for divorce, and now he wants us to help pay his mortgage. Lovely. I’ll do it for the troops, but he can go suck eggs.
Regardless of what he meant to say, his actions have spoken volumes. You can say “I Love You”, while kicking someone in the face.
amerpundit on June 6, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Thanks guys, here’s the link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/what-america-owes-its-il_b_50778.html
It’s not inappropriate for work, no foul language or video, etc. But it is NUTS, so read at your own risk!
hollygolightly on June 6, 2007 at 7:28 PM
All do respect (I love your blog!) they work for us, we elected, and pay, them. We’ve supported them, and it’s cost emotionally, monetarily, etc. Then, after we fight tooth and nail to support them, they turn around and say we don’t want to do what’s best for America - that goes beyond criticism.
amerpundit on June 6, 2007 at 7:31 PM
See thats what libs dont understand. We dont blindly support Bush we simply know we would rather have a weak Republican president than a wave the white flag Democrat.
Bush is far from perfect but he isnt a damn idiot like Obama when it comes to the WOT.
Time to get a hardcore republican back in the White House.
William Amos on June 6, 2007 at 7:33 PM
The cat’s out of the bag, Bush and his cabinet have shown their true colors. These statements from Bush, and especially Linda Chavez, are appalling in their complete ignorance of what people are dealing with in the real world.
bmac on June 6, 2007 at 7:35 PM
1. Taking jobs. Remember after the arrests at that one factory, and people lined up down the block to get their jobs back?
2. Strained our states’ budget for education.
3. Cost American taxpayers billions of dollars for medical care.
4. Inflated crime, and several have formed, or joined, gangs.
5. Just the other day someone was killed by an illegal DUI.
That’s like saying, “Ok, so they raped her. However, rape is often followed by murder, or dismemberment”.
amerpundit on June 6, 2007 at 7:35 PM
6. Forgot to add, plotted to blow up our forts.
amerpundit on June 6, 2007 at 7:36 PM
Not only is it nuts (the final statement in the column is just baffling) but most of the HuffPo commenters are actually disagreeing with it and making sense.
frankj on June 6, 2007 at 7:41 PM
I caught Chertoff again today on Wolf’s show on CNN while at the gym. Same ol stuff. It’s not amnesty there is a fine… blah blah blah. I flipped off, (not as in turned it off) the TV when no one was looking. I’m such a badass!
kahall on June 6, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Outside of a few fringe actors, I don’t recall the conservative base questioning Bush’s motives by saying he doesn’t want to do right for America, not to mention some of his allies on this bill insinuating our opposition is due to bigotry and we want to use capital punishment against illegals.
thirteen28 on June 6, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Yes. What you can’t do is personally insult someone or tell an off color joke. If you want to know what is off color just google my name, black, and muscle on this site. (Slaps forehead) I still feel stupid for that one.
Ace hinted at impeachment, is anyone here ready to go that far to keep Bush from turning the rest of his term into that slow train wreck?
Bill C on June 6, 2007 at 7:43 PM
LoL.
Speaking of TV… I watched FOX for about an hour today and in that time I saw the same commercial 3 times. That commercial? Texas Employers for Immigration Reform. It was exactly what it sounds like.
Four or five different people saying, “if I want groceries, then I guess we need more workers!” or “if I want to compete, I guess I need more workers!” It was amusing to mentally replace “workers” with “Mexican slaves.” I guess if I want fresh groceries, then we need more Mexican slaves!
Thank you FOX. Your pandering to the open-borders Rockefeller wing of the GOP has finally entertained me.
Lehosh on June 6, 2007 at 7:45 PM
That’s why I wanted you guys to check it out, amerpundit and frankj!
How does Bush expect us to believe he’s “shocked” over this bill, if even the dems hate it (other than the FAR left, of course)?
One of two things seems to be going on here: Either our dear POTUS just doesn’t care what his meager amount of supporters think anymore OR he actually is the dingdong people say he is and really believes this is a good thing. Pretty sad day for Repubs either way!
hollygolightly on June 6, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Ha, ha ha ha ha! I remember that…im sure you slapped yourself quite hard with that one!
heatherrc77 on June 6, 2007 at 7:49 PM
It’s time for Bush to resign and put Cheney in charge.
OK, that was tongue in cheek.
Anil Petra on June 6, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Thanks for the compliment and your point is well-taken. All the same, we shouldn’t be surprised when people in the adminstration question our motives. Bush has been taking it on the chin on the immigration issue for years now with some folks on the right claiming he’s guilty of ‘treason’ should be ‘impeached’ etc because he favors ‘amnesty’ rather than deporting 12 million illegals back to Mexico. Eventually, the administration is going to bite back and none of us should be surprised. We might elect them, pay them, etc, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have the right to respond to criticism of what they’re doing. They’re human beings just like we are.
The overheated rhetoric has been bad on all sides to the point where there is no rational debate on the issue anymore. I get emails now from conservatives accusing me of the same thing they’ve accused the left of for years: “if you’re not with us, against securing our borders!” etc etc just because I haven’t come out strongly opposed to every aspect of the immigration bill. I guess I’m not a “real” conservative after all!
The topic is the most toxic of the many we’ve (conservatives) dealt with during Bush’s time in office, but just when I thought it couldn’t get anyworse than how conservatives were treating each other over the Harriet Miers nomination comes the immigration debate. I hate it that the administration has chosen to respond to critics in the way that they have. I hate equally the way many of those who oppose the immigration bill have essentially accused anyone who doesn’t march lock step against the immigration bill - including the President - of being ‘traitors’ to their country by not wanting to ‘do what’s best’ for it.
As I wrote at my blog on Monday in my first real post on the immigration issue since it became ‘hot’ again, I really can’t stand the fact that we have to rely on the feds to ’secure the borders.’ They’ve fallen down on the job for years and no matter what type of ‘reform’ we get out of this, they’re going to fail to enforce this bill, too. When it comes to immigration, unfortunately, politicians on both sides of the aisle are all too willing to talk the talk but unwilling to walk the walk. They’d rather pander to the Hispanic vote (they know it’s growing) than enforce laws we already have on the books pertaining to illegals.
I have NO faith that this next round of ‘immigration reform’ will produce any meaningful results, and that’s not because I think this immigration bill totally stinks but because recent history (think back to Reagan) has shown us what ‘immigration reform’ brings us: a lot of talk, and no action. I wish had the solutions.
SisterToldjah on June 6, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Here’s that “Immigration Reform” site. Their hilariously tin-eared commercial is in the middle of the page.
Lehosh on June 6, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Thanks Bill C, I will keep that in mind. Just googled it and saw you got a little (sarcasm) heat over that one.
hollygolightly on June 6, 2007 at 7:52 PM
I wish there was a honest discussion in the media as to the implication of the various arguments, especially in regard to caste-systems as you mentioned.
And I doubt Bush was shocked really. He chose to make those statements to the WSJ, not say National Review.
Spirit of 1776 on June 6, 2007 at 7:53 PM
If a different ethnic group writes future history I suppose this could be his Abe Lincoln moment, but I doubt it.
That ethnic group might consider Edward Morrow Kennedy as Abe Lincoln though and Hugo Chavez as Martha Washington.
Speakup on June 6, 2007 at 7:55 PM
Really? You’ve not seen one conservative questioning Bush’s motives on this bill?
No, of course conservatives aren’t going to accuse Bush of ‘bigotry’ - they just accuse him of ’selling out’ the country he was elected preside over to big business and pandering to Hispanics with this bill (the latter part of which I’ve accused the administration of in general on the issue of immigration).
SisterToldjah on June 6, 2007 at 7:55 PM
The Republican Party suicide…you gotta love it! (If you’re a leftist, terrorist, and/or enemy of America). Some of you truly are idiots and have no idea what you’re doing.
Btw, TPTB at HotAir, is this blog just going to be about Bush bashing now, or what? It sure seems to be the #1 template story for the past 3 weeks. It’s really starting to get over the top, and to me is counterproductive. Liberals couldn’t ask for anything better than what is happening to the base and the Republican party. This disagreement on this one issue with the president seems to be undermining support for everything else, which is dangerous and destructive. How directing anger and hatred towards Bush instead of Congress over immigration is helpful is beyond me…
Patriot33 on June 6, 2007 at 7:58 PM
What’s the point of closing the door after the horses have run out of the barn?
Lawrence on June 6, 2007 at 7:58 PM
Oh, I don’t debate that some people have called for impeachment, which I don’t think is a good choice. Not for one issue. However, that wasn’t Michelle or Hugh, prominent members of the base, calling for impeachment. On the other hand, however, we got direct criticism from the head of our party, which overall doesn’t support it.
I’m fine with criticism, and I don’t think Bush should be tried for treason as several have said extremely. However, I think that, as President, he should be a little more careful in his accusations to his base, which keeps him afloat.
amerpundit on June 6, 2007 at 8:03 PM
Then you haven’t been paying attention.
This is Bush’s bill. It didn’t come up out of the legislative aether and it wasn’t on the Democrats’ 2006 platform. Pelosi wasn’t going to support it unless Bush pushed for 60-70 GOP votes! Bush is pimping this agenda for all it’s worth and with McCain he allied with the Conservative anti-Christ Ted Kennedy to get it done.
But rest assured that Congress is getting a reckoning as well. They’re radicalizing their base into a head-hunting vendetta machine, and anyone voting for the bill has probably seen their last term in office.
Lehosh on June 6, 2007 at 8:04 PM
But, you’re right that the administration has a right to criticize. I just think his comment, as head of the party, and the President of the US, was extreme. I think it’s different from a blogger saying “He doesn’t want what’s best for America”, and The President saying his base “doesn’t want what’s best for America”.
amerpundit on June 6, 2007 at 8:06 PM
then being surprised when they criticize him for it.
amerpundit on June 6, 2007 at 8:07 PM
The phrase Outside of a few fringe actors was a key part of my statement.
Most conservatives I see are questioning his mind on the issue, not his heart.
Regardless, if he had taken sustained steps at real enforcement at any time during the past six years in office, he’d be far more likely to get the benefit of the doubt. While other presidents have faltered in the same area, he’s the one who is so hot to trot for “comprehensive” immigration reform so he bore an extra burden to show that he meant it on the enforcement side of the issue (and particularly in the wake of 9/11). Thus, there are plenty of good reasons for opponents of this bill to be skeptical, and virtually no good reasons for Bush to point the finger at us by saying we don’t want to do what’s right for America.
thirteen28 on June 6, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Exactly.
thirteen28 on June 6, 2007 at 8:12 PM
like is said you guys are some serrrious drama queens. get some hang em downs an move on….Or move on.
tomas on June 6, 2007 at 8:14 PM
amerpundit, I agree the President and the rest of the admin should be a lot more civil in how they respond to conservative critics of the bill - a lot more civil than some of those critics have been to them, way before the recent harsh criticism the admin has thrown out there.
And it’s not just ‘bloggers’ who have said the president doesn’t want to do what’s right for America (in so many words) but even if it were, I don’t think that negates the point.
SisterToldjah on June 6, 2007 at 8:14 PM
Trolling
On
Michelle’s &
Allah’s
Site
(with apologies to Bryan).
thirteen28 on June 6, 2007 at 8:15 PM
Yeah, Tony, is in a tough spot. They can dress Bush up, but they can’t get him to remember the script.
Dusty on June 6, 2007 at 8:16 PM
Ah, yes. I knew something was missing - this thread was going too civilly.
amerpundit on June 6, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Criticizing our party’s leader for saying we don’t want to do what’s best for America, doesn’t make us drama queens - it makes us pissed off supporters.
amerpundit on June 6, 2007 at 8:18 PM
One other thing that I might add - Bush has been subject to some of the most vile and vicious criticsim from the left for the last six years, rarely defending himself while the conservative base has defended him time and time again.
But for whom does he finally take of the glove?
You know the answer.
thirteen28 on June 6, 2007 at 8:18 PM
When is Tony Snow going to resign his position of explaining how the president didn’t really mean to accuse critics of the bill of scaremongering and not wanting to do what’s right for America when he accused them of scaremongering and not wanting to do what’s right for America?
digitalintrigue on June 6, 2007 at 8:18 PM
I still contend that tomas = George Bush.
Lehosh on June 6, 2007 at 8:18 PM
gloveS, dammit.
thirteen28 on June 6, 2007 at 8:18 PM
Sorry, but it’s not just a ‘few fringe actors’ questioning his motives. Keep in mind, I don’t have a problem with people doing that, just stating something I think is pretty obvious.
You must be reading different places than I do.
I have never said that healthy skepticism on this bill wasn’t warranted. I just disagree with some of the the ways I’ve seen it being expressed. What I have said is that after years of taking it on the chin from conservatives on where his loyalty was (”with us or with Mexico?!?!”) at some point he/they (the admin) were bound to respond in kind, whether or not the critics deserved it or not.
SisterToldjah on June 6, 2007 at 8:20 PM
W’s getting uppity over the fact that the owners don’t want their house broken into any further… shows the disconnect of this level of post-American type.
I prefer those who understand the rare experiment in liberty that the U.S. embodies, and those who want to defend and conserve what we’ve struggled to achieved in America.
Not p*ss it away on dangerous theories.
Of global economics or whatever pan-national pressure tries to weaken our nation.
Fight for this country.
Borders and all.
Or move aside.
You want your temporary worker servants.
While we want control of our public servants.
A fair trade: you preserve the nation, we pay your salary.
Based on results.
profitsbeard on June 6, 2007 at 8:20 PM
Honestly, I gotta say I’m just more impressed with Bush in this whole fight. I’m on the other side (I want a fence plus reliable background checks, then they get their amnesty) and I hate it. This guy just doesn’t know the word quit. Approval ratings in the toilet? He doesn’t care. Half his minority caucus in the Congress ready to lynch him and the other half scared of being lynched by their constituents? He doesn’t care. Kennedy co-wrote your bill? He doesn’t care. He’s still fighting, tooth and nail, and we might beat him in the end, but we’ll bleed and sweat for every inch. And even that won’t be enough, cause in a couple months he’s gonna make another attempt and we’ll have to fight him again.
You have to admire that. No prisoners. No quit. He’s the only guy who could stand to take the hits he’s taken on Iraq, Katrina, Gore v. Bush, 9-11, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Harriet Meyers, UAE ports, Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, and on and on and he’s still standin’ there fighting like it was the first day of his Presidency. He’s held the line on Gitmo, the GWOT, Iraq, Afghanistan, Global Warming nutz, and all the rest and he doesn’t even seem the slightest bit beaten down. It’s incredible. I’m glad he’s our President, but I hate havin’ to fight him on anything. It’s really hard work. Makes you feel a little bit sorry for Democrats.
The Apologist on June 6, 2007 at 8:21 PM
He ‘took off the glove’ towards the left long before he did the right. Remember all the cries of outrage from the left on the “Bush is questioning my patriotism!” complaint? Bush, I think, bit back at the right some when some of the critics on the right sounded just like those critics on the left.
SisterToldjah on June 6, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Should have said “some of the critics on the right “started sounding”
SisterToldjah on June 6, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Those of us who followed the cases of Sandy Berger, Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame, the numerous unpunished and uninvestigated classified leaks to the media, etc. etc. etc. would beg to differ with your assesment.
And those were done by people who never supported Bush. His base, by the very definition of the word, are those who did support him.
thirteen28 on June 6, 2007 at 8:27 PM
I live in Los Angeles and the people who are here illegally are not picking fruit. They are working at fast food restaurant …jobs teenagers used to have. Jobs like gardening and landscaping…they undercut Americans and now mostly they have that work. Car washes they have those jobs too. Bussing and waitering at restaurants yep. The Von’s in Mammoth Ski resort…lots of them there. How do I know? They don’t speak English. The Safeway in Vail, Colorado…yep. These jobs in the markets used to be union jobs that paid decently now you walk in and you think you’re in Central America. They speak Spanish and act annoyed when you get annoyed.
But low skill work is not where it stops. They are also now taking construction jobs mostly labor positions but increasingly carpentry and plumbing jobs too. They are now servicing air conditioning units. How do I know this? Because they aren’t’ licensed bonded or insured and charge half of what those who are do. The whole lot of us pay when one of us wants to pay less than he should and makes this possible.
We the taxpayers just tuned down the latest school bond. The politicians were shocked until they made the rounds and found out that we taxpayers figured out that every time we approve a new bond it’s not going to our school for our kids, it’s to pay for more and more illegal’s children who keep coming in and are overwhelming our system. Californians and other states, I’m sure, are being asked, no forced, to educate all of Central America!
I was trying to drive into the underground parking of my building during one of those marches in downtown and they were blocking the street, being totally obnoxious, waving every flag but the American. As I passed one guy he grabbed his crotch and aimed at me and all I was trying to do was get into my building. Nice way for uninvited people to ingratiate themselves with those whom they are forcing to provide them with services. Enough Already!
I’m also with those of you who feel betrayed by Bush. I’d like to tell him, “try being me defending you in Los Angeles all these years!” Thanks so much.
Okay I’m going to stop before my head explodes…
CCRWM on June 6, 2007 at 8:28 PM
I can’t seem to find a mandate for support the President’s quest to get the war funded when the President has never really been behind it in the first place.
PRCalDude on June 6, 2007 at 8:28 PM
So after impugning my patriotism Bush now impugns my intelligence. Is it me or is he morphing into a male Pelosi?
“ever feel like you’ve been cheated?”
-Johnny Rotten
ronsfi on June 6, 2007 at 8:29 PM
bj1126 on June 6, 2007 at 7:07 PM
It’s a 36 month train wreck. It’s already been going on for 18. We’re halfway there.
Griz on June 6, 2007 at 8:31 PM
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
The Apologist on June 6, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Bush is a loser. He doesn’t know how to fight a war. Americans can’t stand a loser.
PRCalDude on June 6, 2007 at 8:32 PM
Why can’t I escape the image of Bush as Ike Turner right now, telling conservatives (the Tina in this little drama) that he really didn’t mean it, and that it’ll never happen again if we’ll just take him back?
ReubenJCogburn on June 6, 2007 at 8:32 PM
Thanks for clarifying. Does this place get stupider on these immigration threads or is it just my imagination?
The Apologist on June 6, 2007 at 8:34 PM
JackStraw,
I WISH I looked like our darling Audrey, who I try my best to mimic. Sadly, I only have her tendency to be chipper and dance around a lot. It’s hard for a tall, blond-haired, blue-eyed girl to resemble her in any other way :(
hollygolightly on June 6, 2007 at 8:35 PM
The sad part is that I’m not sure that Bush is morphing at all…
Lehosh on June 6, 2007 at 8:35 PM
No. A bunch of us have been saying this for quite some time. He negotiates with the enemy, doesn’t secure Iraq’s borders, allows ridiculously restrictive ROE, leaves Sadr alive, appoints a ‘War Czar,’ the list goes on and on…
PRCalDude on June 6, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Civil, means we can rip our president during the war and call him every name in the book…is civil…you all are deranged. Turncoats.
tomas on June 6, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Me:
You:
“Those of us who followed” (my emphasis)? That makes a naive assumption that only the people who are being critical of this bill followed the cases you mentioned. I’ve blogged extensively about pLamegate and uninvestigated leaks, etc etc etc so I know all about those issues. I didn’t say Bush had responded to EVERY criticism from the left with the gloves off, but he has responded to some of it - especially as it relates to the global war on terror. It’s true he’s not fought back harder against certain criticisms (the recent dustup over the US attorney firings comes to mind - his response, and that of the administration, has been tepid and bumbling) and in some instances caved, but your implication was that Bush has waited to take off his gloves until now, and he waited to do it to the right is just flat out wrong.
Some of those same “base” members who, as I stated earlier, are accusing Bush of much of the same thing he just last month accused them of doing, a response he made after years of criticism he’s gotten on immigration. I’m not saying it’s right - I’m just saying it’s not right when either side does it.
SisterToldjah on June 6, 2007 at 8:37 PM
CCRWM, you nailed it perfectly. There is alot more to this than “jobs Americans won’t do.” Those of us that deal with it everyday, know what’s at stake here. In the southwest, this is in your face constantly. You actually start to feel like you are the outsider in your own country. I can’t explain how infuriating that is, and then to be called a racist on top of it, is just insult to injury.
bmac on June 6, 2007 at 8:41 PM
I tried to point out to Barbara of HuffPo that, while growing up I had the pleasant summer job of stripping tobacco in the 90+ degree heat amongst the dirt and bugs. I also pointed out that on this farm (my dad’s, oh yeah, he’s tough), when he increased the wage he would pay, just a little, people magically appeared to do even this kind of hard work. I asked if she thought maybe it was worth it to pay a little more for American citizens or LEGAL immigrants.
Interestingly enough, my comment didn’t make it up??
hollygolightly on June 6, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Very well said, and very true.
Some become just as unhinged as those on the left blogosphere. It’s pathetic.
Patriot33 on June 6, 2007 at 8:42 PM
… to get them on side with the Iraqi government and to stop carbombing police recruits.
…yet, but the surge plan calls for it as succesive areas are secured and locals are brought on board.
…which are set by military commanders who set ROE’s for a living and in accordance with their operational strategies.
…to avoid all out war with Shia we don’t have to fight, especially as we marginalize Sadr through other means, so much so that he’s forced to return to Iraq to attempt to retain some part of his network lest we destroy it all.
…to cut through red tape at DoD to ensure that people are getting what they need and that he’s hearing everything he needs to hear in a timely fashion.
Yeah, there is a rational explanation for all his moves. Bush disagreeing with you is not evidence of his stupidity or his disregard for outcomes. It’s absurd that you think it is.
The Apologist on June 6, 2007 at 8:51 PM
Amen Apologist. One of the things I’ve always liked about this President is he is principle driven. I don’t care much for this particular principle but I have to admire his tenacity.
I’m also with the good Sister…as much as the slap from the President irritated me, I figure we were due and even though I’ll gripe and moan about it….no blood - no foul.
As with any good marriage, there will be the occasional fight. I’m good with it. I won’t be supporting this monstrosity and will continue to call Minority Leader(my Sr. Senator) McConnell to gripe, however.
Pilgrim on June 6, 2007 at 8:51 PM
I never, in my wildest fantasies, thought I’d side with the moonbats on Bush being gone. I can’t wait to see him gone, and after he is, I hope he just quietly fades away into nothingness… *jeez* I really can’t believe I feel that way about him now after all we’ve been through together.
All I/we can do is count down the months until he is a non-factor.
SilverStar830 on June 6, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Ok, perhaps it’s not technically correct for me to say he never took the gloves off when responding to the left, but it’s been very rare all things considered, and in many instances - some of which you point out in the cited example - he’s done nothing of the sort when he had every right to do so and good reason to boot. The attorney firings is a perfect example - all he had to do was remind his critics that those attorneys serve at his pleasure and could be fired at any time for any reason, as codified in law. Instead, he’s totally acquiesed to a bunch of people who never supported him … but in this instance, he went after people who have staunchly supported him on numerous issues besides immigration reform, and have given him numerous passes on issues where they didn’t (spending, signing CFR, prescription drug bill, No Child Left Behind, etc.). He’s been given a ton of support by his base and cut a lot of slack.
I understand the human impulse to lash back, but he’s the president, and he’s supposed to be above the fray. If he’s going to do so, perhaps he should save it more for his left wing critics and cut his own base some slack when it disagrees with him on something.
Much (in fact, most) of the criticism he’s gotten on immigraton over the years has been quite reasoned and rational, from people like Michelle, the folks at National Review, Rush, Laura, etc. They have been among the loudest critics, yet in being loud, they have done so with sound reasoning for opposing his view, without having to resort to personal attacks. They supported him on most other issues (and in particular, the big ones), but disagreed with him in good faith on this issue. He at least owes them the same. That’s what I’m saying, although obviously not very effectively.
thirteen28 on June 6, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Great post.
The difference is, now he’s going after the people who made all those other tough stands possible. When he loses people like me, which he has, he’s in a world of hurt. He’s decimated his own flank and now he’s wide open to a very successful attack. He better pray every night the Left doesn’t dig up something they can use to beat him over the head with for the remainder of his term because he has nobody left to lean on.
TheBigOldDog on June 6, 2007 at 8:54 PM
I agree to a point, but my disgust is in how he’s shocked that his supporters are annoyed with his latest bill. It sucks. He hasn’t outrightly responded to any of the libs who hate him and talk about him all the time.
I’m annoyed that he finally takes a chance to give a direct response and it’s directed at US, his supporters, and it’s not nice or appreciative.
I’ve stood by him and wore my Vote Bush t-shirt in ‘04 to school and got heckled, and still remained in his 28% of supporters…until now.
I can’t indulge a POTUS who finds it acceptable to say WE, his only backup, don’t want to do what’s right for America. That’s infuriating! I’ve always admired his confidence in his decisions too but, come on, the one time he openly stands up for himself, it’s to point a finger at US???
hollygolightly on June 6, 2007 at 8:55 PM
If Bush is so great, then why isn’t he winning? In about this much time, we won a two-front war in the 1940s. He can’t even subdue a small country. I’m sorry, I won’t be there supporting his efforts on the war because there won’t be a country to defend if this amnesty goes through, for all the reasons CCRVWM mentioned above. I live in Los Angeles, Mexico as well. What’s going to happen when the USA becomes another Latin American country full of scoff-laws? What will the troops have fought for? I won’t be blackmailed into supporting a war that Bush isn’t capable of waging in the first place.
PRCalDude on June 6, 2007 at 8:58 PM
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