Open thread: Republican presidential debate; Update: Giuliani video added; Update: Highlight reel added
posted at 6:34 pm on June 5, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Second verse, same as the first: 7 p.m. ET, St. Anselm’s College, live on CNN. Tonight’s subplots:
1. Amnesty, amnesty, amnesty. St. John will go on the offensive before anyone can put him on the defensive, although Mitt and Tancredo are sure going to try. Will Bush come in for criticism, even if only for his rhetoric? House Republicans have given the green light.
2. Giuliani vs. Paul, round two. Will Rudy duck him? Or will he take a certain someone’s advice and throw Adam Gadahn’s list of demands in his sneering face?
3. The man who wasn’t there. In addition to his surge in the Rasmussen and Survey USA polls, Fred’s even with Giuliani in Pew’s new survey and ahead of the field in the InTrade prediction market for the Republican nomination. He also picked up an endorsement from Bob Corker today and will have the number-three Republican in the House, wunderkind Adam Putnam, working for him in Florida. Hannity’s having him on immediately after the debate ends so let’s see if any of the candidates take their chance to land a preemptive shot or two. If anyone does, I’ll bet it’s McCain (obliquely), their friendship notwithstanding.
4. Libby’s sentencing. Fred was on the steering committee of Libby’s defense fund and is on record as saying he’d pardon him immediately. (It’s in the first clip here, right at the beginning.) Today’s news is a perfect peg for Wolf Blitzer to introduce Thompson’s name into the debate by asking the field if they agree with him or, rather, with Bush, who says he feels “terrible” for Libby but won’t be springing him anytime soon.
I suspect MM will be liveblogging it but I’m not sure yet. No doubt we’ll have video updates, including/especially as regards Fred’s reaction afterwards on H&C. Comments are open…
Update: There was a question earlier in the evening about what the candidates would do if Petraeus came back in September and said the surge wasn’t working. Giuliani didn’t get a chance to answer, so he answered during the Q&A later in the evening. Sort of.
Update: Ian has video of Mike Huckabee offering his opinion of Fred Thompson before the debate.
Update: Here’s a short highlight reel from the first hour. It includes the part where Rudy incurs the wrath of god during his answer about criticism from Catholics about abortion.
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Ron Paul is a freaking jerk.
nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 8:21 PM
oh good. quitting will work after all! thank goodness for the sensibility of ron paul.
TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Oh, good heavens…quoting Wilson?
And “neocon?” Thanks for the editorial, Wolf.
Slublog on June 5, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Governor who?
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Boom! Rudy drops the hammer on the MsM.
Kid from Brooklyn on June 5, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Rudy….second homer!
Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 8:23 PM
OH! Rudy! Sweet shot on Wolf
Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Wow. Rudy asked if we’d report the good news, as much as we’d report the bad. That’s a kick in the @ss to CNN.
amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 8:23 PM
WAIT! Ron Paul is on Comedy Central right now. How’s he doing that? LOL
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:23 PM
That lady was not Republican. She has tree humper written all over her.
Sammy316 on June 5, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Rudy said the right things.
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:24 PM
and got alot of applause
jp on June 5, 2007 at 8:24 PM
I would’ve love to hear Fred!’s answer to that hippie freak.
Kid from Brooklyn on June 5, 2007 at 8:25 PM
The Independents asking questions are perfect matches for neocon RINOs
Valiant on June 5, 2007 at 8:25 PM
How do they decide who goes first? This is confusing. (I couldn’t stomach watching the democrats debate).
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:26 PM
Rudy and the McCain tonight. Tancredo is pretty good too
tomas on June 5, 2007 at 8:26 PM
Rudy called it what it is – socialized medicine.
amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Wow Rudy is on a roll. Stuffing that Eurotrash crap right down that aged hippies throat!
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Finally Rudy is saying something against La Hillary and The Messiah’s “health care plans”.
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Rudy is impressing me too. I like Tanc, I think he is very smart, but he needs to articulate a little better imho.
Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Hunter nailed it.
Sammy316 on June 5, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Wow. Is it just me, or did they just happen to find some awfully liberal Republicans?
Slublog on June 5, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Tancredo is no nonsense which will play bad on the big screen, so to speak…
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Health Care- the number one concern among GOP primary voters- NOT
Valiant on June 5, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Educate people about smoking? Yeah. That’s the ticket…
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:30 PM
I have to say, after seeing all these guys tonight, I’m pretty excited about the future of our party.
amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 8:30 PM
One way to fix the healthcare systems is to stop treating illegal immigrants who have no plans to pay for that ER visit.
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:30 PM
I agree SouthernGent.
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Mitt’s makeup is fabulous tonight. Kudos to his team. I mean this in all sincerity.
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:31 PM
This entire field (sans Paul) is pretty impressive. Sure I have problems with some, but compared to the Donkees this gives me hope we can win in 08.
Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Mitt is one of the Men.
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:32 PM
philosophy? ****bong in the car*****
Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 8:33 PM
The greatest moral issue is the “pro-choice” crowd who hate you if you CHOOSE life.
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:34 PM
Disclaimer:
SouthernGent, I agreed with the illegal comment, not the makeup comment … Not that there’s anything wrong with that… ;)
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:34 PM
I’m pro choice. I just choose life.
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:34 PM
I’m in Raleigh, JEFF…where are you?
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:34 PM
I agree with Huckabee. Nice.
amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 8:35 PM
In Raleigh. Not a bad town except for all the illegal alien drunk drivers…
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:36 PM
Hear that? It’s the timer on Paul. He’s done.
amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 8:36 PM
You know, these guys would have a lot more time to answer questions if Wolfie stopped talking.
Slublog on June 5, 2007 at 8:36 PM
omg… Ron Paul.
Iran = Done No Harm to Us
Iran = No Threat
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Lehosh on June 5, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Don’t get me started, JEFF…haha.
Ron Paul’s voice is like watching someone chew tin foil! OMG! AAARRRGGGHHH!
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Wow Ron Paul……..just..wow
Sammy316 on June 5, 2007 at 8:37 PM
How exactly did Ron Paul get on that stage?
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:37 PM
He is not a Texan….he is not a Texan (clicking my heels)….he is not a Texan.
Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 8:37 PM
The last time we didn’t get involved, was WWII. That ended well – with two nukes killing entire cities of people. So, great idea Paul.
amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Iran is no threat to our national security? Wow, news to me.
Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 8:37 PM
In Ron’s reasoning, since 9-11 was self-inflicted, we were not justified in going to war.
Valiant on June 5, 2007 at 8:38 PM
i’ll vote for the first one to knock ron paul off the platform
TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 8:38 PM
Isolationism won’t fly in the 21st century, Mr. Paul.
infidel4life on June 5, 2007 at 8:38 PM
Brownback is whole life? isn’t that insurance?
DrM2B on June 5, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Paul is a dipshit
lsutiger on June 5, 2007 at 8:39 PM
I’m in Cary, and I totally agree.
Valiant on June 5, 2007 at 8:39 PM
The drive-by’s are obsessed with abortion, especially Rudy’s mildy pro-abortion stance.
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:39 PM
oh, I thought it was going to be a Mormon question.
Sammy316 on June 5, 2007 at 8:39 PM
All of these questions sound posed. The one guy looked like he forgot what he was supposed to say.
amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 8:40 PM
“I hope they vote for me…” Worst statement ever. Sorry Mitt, you looked real desperate there…
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:40 PM
*****beer all over my monitor****** hope you are happy now
Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 8:40 PM
“I hope they vote for me…” Worst statement ever. Sorry Mitt, you looked real desperate there…
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:40 PM
They should have to be competent in English to vote!!!
Valiant on June 5, 2007 at 8:40 PM
Why isn’t Wolfe and the anchoress calling on McCain? Saying nothing is like silent amnesty!
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:40 PM
DrM2B lol
Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 8:40 PM
Mitt Romney’s group already has about a half dozen videos up on YouTube high lighting him on tonights debate before the second half started. GovMittRomney’s Videos
KCtheKat on June 5, 2007 at 8:41 PM
How about, “yes, I support English as the official language, but since we haven’t done that yet, I have to place Spnish language ads.”
db on June 5, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Ron Paul cites Christian Just War theory for his exclusion of pre-emptive strike. However, as far as I remember, being struck first is not a premise of Just War theory – just that you have a right/just intention in waging war. I think that preventing forseeable deaths would be a right/just intention.
I could be wrong, but that is what I remember at the moment.
nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Ouch! Romney just got caught in a corner
We call that ‘crawfishing’ in these parts
lsutiger on June 5, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Wolf, you allowed a Romney-only question. Let the man answer.
Slublog on June 5, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Those Spanish ads, etc. hurt Mitt, I think.
IrishEi on June 5, 2007 at 8:41 PM
You’re welcome. and i’m clicking my heels too.
TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Mitt? was mealy-mouthed on the Spanish language question.
infidel4life on June 5, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Why does it take 8-13 yrs to leagally come to this country, McCain?
rslancer14 on June 5, 2007 at 8:43 PM
Okay…here comes the “they’re all bigots who don’t support my bill” spiel!
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:43 PM
I can’t count how many times Winston Churchill called western civ the ‘english-speaking nations’. No need to be ashamed of a language of freedom.
Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 8:43 PM
here we go, “Americans are bigots” crap from McCain. Screw you McCain, you’ll never get my vote! I dont care if the devil himself is running against you.
DwnSouthJukin on June 5, 2007 at 8:43 PM
I have a feeling that this is the same audience from the Dem debate—just hung around for the double feature.
McCain: “Muchas gracias”—what an obnoxious jerk.
IrishEi on June 5, 2007 at 8:43 PM
McCain lecturing on SPENDING?!!?!? LMAO!
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:44 PM
McCain needs an ENEMA.
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:44 PM
Mucho Grazias McCain Asta luago! LOL
sonnyspats1 on June 5, 2007 at 8:45 PM
Yeah, and his remark about communicating in whatever language to get votes, didn’t help. I don’t think it hurt, though.
amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 8:45 PM
Amen brother.
infidel4life on June 5, 2007 at 8:45 PM
That question is remeniscent of “what is the worst thing about America?”
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:45 PM
“Republicans became democrats”…well said!
SouthernGent on June 5, 2007 at 8:46 PM
Go Rudy Go!
Republicans became dems…priceless!
lsutiger on June 5, 2007 at 8:46 PM
Someone should ask McCain how much his immigration proposal will cost us.
Slublog on June 5, 2007 at 8:46 PM
there must be a pretty good lag in the web feed…the comments are coming before we hear the lines
TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 8:46 PM
My question: which one of you will have the gumballs to just do a line-item veto?
DrM2B on June 5, 2007 at 8:46 PM
Tancredo has the time to think up a solid quip….
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:47 PM
Sad but true.
Sammy316 on June 5, 2007 at 8:47 PM
BANG!
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:47 PM
Wolf: “The question is what was Bush’s biggest mistake over the past 7 years.”
No it wasn’t. The question was how are you different from the president on policy.
nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 8:47 PM
That was not the question Wolfy.
DrM2B on June 5, 2007 at 8:47 PM
OK Mitt. I’ll buy all the aluminum siding you have!
sonnyspats1 on June 5, 2007 at 8:48 PM
Ooops — Who let that jerk Paul into the room???
JEFF_IN_NC on June 5, 2007 at 8:48 PM
Wolf is a terrible, terrible moderator.
Slublog on June 5, 2007 at 8:48 PM
Careful what you wish for—are you willing to give a democrat president the line item veto?
IrishEi on June 5, 2007 at 8:48 PM
Preemptive strike is one of the 7 (i think it’s 7) principles of just war theory.
Nonfactor on June 5, 2007 at 8:48 PM
tancredo is the gutsiest guy up there, and has got to be one of the smartest. I don’t think he could win, but he’s impressive
TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 8:49 PM
Do you mean one of the prohibitions included in Just War theory?
nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 8:49 PM
It is seven, just google “Just War Theory principles”
Nonfactor on June 5, 2007 at 8:50 PM
Yep.
Nonfactor on June 5, 2007 at 8:50 PM
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