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Open thread: Republican presidential debate; Update: Giuliani video added; Update: Highlight reel added

posted at 6:34 pm on June 5, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Second verse, same as the first: 7 p.m. ET, St. Anselm’s College, live on CNN. Tonight’s subplots:

1. Amnesty, amnesty, amnesty. St. John will go on the offensive before anyone can put him on the defensive, although Mitt and Tancredo are sure going to try. Will Bush come in for criticism, even if only for his rhetoric? House Republicans have given the green light.

2. Giuliani vs. Paul, round two. Will Rudy duck him? Or will he take a certain someone’s advice and throw Adam Gadahn’s list of demands in his sneering face?

3. The man who wasn’t there. In addition to his surge in the Rasmussen and Survey USA polls, Fred’s even with Giuliani in Pew’s new survey and ahead of the field in the InTrade prediction market for the Republican nomination. He also picked up an endorsement from Bob Corker today and will have the number-three Republican in the House, wunderkind Adam Putnam, working for him in Florida. Hannity’s having him on immediately after the debate ends so let’s see if any of the candidates take their chance to land a preemptive shot or two. If anyone does, I’ll bet it’s McCain (obliquely), their friendship notwithstanding.

4. Libby’s sentencing. Fred was on the steering committee of Libby’s defense fund and is on record as saying he’d pardon him immediately. (It’s in the first clip here, right at the beginning.) Today’s news is a perfect peg for Wolf Blitzer to introduce Thompson’s name into the debate by asking the field if they agree with him or, rather, with Bush, who says he feels “terrible” for Libby but won’t be springing him anytime soon.

I suspect MM will be liveblogging it but I’m not sure yet. No doubt we’ll have video updates, including/especially as regards Fred’s reaction afterwards on H&C. Comments are open…

Update: There was a question earlier in the evening about what the candidates would do if Petraeus came back in September and said the surge wasn’t working. Giuliani didn’t get a chance to answer, so he answered during the Q&A later in the evening. Sort of.


Update: Ian has video of Mike Huckabee offering his opinion of Fred Thompson before the debate.

Update: Here’s a short highlight reel from the first hour. It includes the part where Rudy incurs the wrath of god during his answer about criticism from Catholics about abortion.


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Looking forward to this one

Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 6:36 PM

Fun is watching a herd of RINOs trying to disavow their true core beliefs.

Valiant on June 5, 2007 at 6:39 PM

I’ve got the beer, and Sean Hackbarth has one of the drinking game points – Take a swig every time Sen. Sam Brownback uses the word “murder.”

steveegg on June 5, 2007 at 6:41 PM

Elephants in the room?

Meh……more like donkeys wearing costumes.

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GT on June 5, 2007 at 6:47 PM

Fred should be there…put ‘em all to shame.

JetBoy on June 5, 2007 at 6:50 PM

Anyone want to get any “Fred!”, “Run, Fred, Run!”, “Fred’s already won the debate”, “they’re all Rinos” out of their systems first?

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 6:50 PM

Because until Fred formally declares, those guys on that stage are the candidates.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 6:51 PM

I wonder if we can talk the military into encircling D.C. until every candidate denounces the current amnesty bill and vows to start building a fence and enforcing the laws.

darwin on June 5, 2007 at 6:52 PM

Yeah, the GOP’s amnesty vote is already bought and paid for.

Ali-Bubba on June 5, 2007 at 6:57 PM

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 6:50 PM

hahaha. But you forgot me, because the first time freddie boys name is mentioned, I’m sure I’ll point out the guy is too cowardly to get up on stage with real candidates. ;-)

I wonder if CNN will play to the reps strengths or try to skewer them on gay rights, pro-choice, and other traditionally dem issues? I HOPE they make them square off on each other and really go after their differences.

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 6:58 PM

If Fred wanted to be there, he could. After all, Bill Richardson was at the first debate, and he hadn’t even formally announced at that time.

rslancer14 on June 5, 2007 at 7:00 PM

rslancer14 on June 5, 2007 at 7:00 PM

Great point. This is just more of freds? pickup truck fakery.

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:01 PM

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:01 PM

Surely not another thread of that.

Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 7:02 PM

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 6:58 PM

Nothing could be worse than that Matthews/MSNBC debacle…

JetBoy on June 5, 2007 at 7:03 PM

Tommy Thompson: fred? is an “actor”. ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark.

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:04 PM

Where is the live link on the web. Help this senile ol Texan out here fellas and ladies.

Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 7:04 PM

Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 7:02 PM

Surely not another thread of people attacking me.

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:05 PM

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

just hit pipeline, and you are a-go.

Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 7:05 PM

Thanks! Beer on me.

Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 7:06 PM

What a question…”knowing what you know now…”

Heck, what does that have to do with anything?

JetBoy on June 5, 2007 at 7:07 PM

He’s a defender of the constitution. right. And a moonbat.

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:07 PM

Rudy’s response sounded good, but it’ll fall apart on scrutiny. MITT! whacked it out of the park AND made Wolf look like the hack he is.

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:09 PM

Why is this debate so far focused soley on “was Iraq the right thing to do”?

JetBoy on June 5, 2007 at 7:09 PM

This guy’s question also start off with US casualty numbers…ugh

JetBoy on June 5, 2007 at 7:10 PM

JetBoy on June 5, 2007 at 7:09 PM

Because that’s what the left can attack them on. They certainly can’t criticize Republican approval ratings, seeing the Democratic approval ratings – though that didn’t stop Reid.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:11 PM

I think the Iraq war is the issue that the undecideds want to get settled, but for me, that is a question for a rep v. dem debate, not a primary debate. Solving Iraq is the primary issue.

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:12 PM

Bait questions….

lsutiger on June 5, 2007 at 7:14 PM

Wolf Blitzer is AWFUL!

This jumping around and no timed allotment is terrible.

186k on June 5, 2007 at 7:15 PM

Mitt handled the first question (knowing then what you know now…) reasonably and well and was rewarded with a whole additional minute by Wolfie Leftster.

Buzzy on June 5, 2007 at 7:18 PM

What does Bush have to do with ‘08?

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:18 PM

Great point. This is just more of freds? pickup truck fakery.

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:01 PM

It’s still seventeen months until the general election, eight months until the first primaries. Fred! isn’t late, these debates are early. Fred! will jump in when he’s ready. There’s still plenty of time left in this race.

infidel4life on June 5, 2007 at 7:19 PM

There’s just far too many candidates to really get any thourough debate accomplished…

JetBoy on June 5, 2007 at 7:19 PM

Yeah, I don’t like the no time structure thing. But then again, with so many on stage, how would one do it otherwise?

nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 7:19 PM

Support the labor union movement! Tuff luv…..
gemme a break

Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 7:19 PM

Talking Iran and nukes and the question is using a nuke to destroy Iran’s nuke.
Simpleton, you won’t have to use nukes to destroy nukes. A hand grenade will do.

LakeRuins on June 5, 2007 at 7:22 PM

Romney just put his foot in a muk rake.

Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 7:23 PM

Well, it is actually thunder Wolf, but whatever…

nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 7:23 PM

MITT! is smokin’ tonite! I really had a hard time hearing freds? response. Will we get a sound bite later?

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:24 PM

NAU speech incoming!

Lehosh on June 5, 2007 at 7:24 PM

Well said Tom!

infidel4life on June 5, 2007 at 7:25 PM

Go Tom GO!

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:25 PM

clap clap clap for Tanc

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:26 PM

So, Rudy is against this immigration compromise?

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:26 PM

all illegal immigrants are here for a bad purpose…they’ve broken the law and ignored the soveriegnty of our nation. not good starter material for citizens

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:27 PM

Well, if Fred! doesn’t live up, Mitt’s in the running…

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:28 PM

for my vote..

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:28 PM

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:27 PM

Yes, but first we need to find the ones who are here simply to kill us. Then the ones who are breaking the law.

McCain is trying to tell Rudy that he described the legislation.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:28 PM

John McCain isn’t helping his case… “This is a national security issue…”

No kidding, bud. That’s why this bill sucks goats.

Lehosh on June 5, 2007 at 7:28 PM

but the cars…what about the cars!

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:29 PM

too late to sound strong on defense, mc cain. stopped believing you quite some time ago

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:29 PM

I long for the FNC buzzer.

rslancer14 on June 5, 2007 at 7:29 PM

Mitt is aiming dead-center at the Fred! crowd.

askheaves on June 5, 2007 at 7:31 PM

Thank you Mitt: “Enforce the law as it exists.” Thats all I needed to hear.

McCain is just a complete disgrace.

Zetterson on June 5, 2007 at 7:32 PM

McCain’s getting fried by the audience. Everytime someone attacks his legislation, they audience applauds.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:33 PM

McCain is getting prison-raped over the amnesty bill.

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:33 PM

McCain’s getting fried by the audience. Everytime someone attacks his legislation, they audience applauds.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:33 PM

And for good reason

Zetterson on June 5, 2007 at 7:33 PM

Tommy Thompson is a joke.

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:35 PM

McCain is so out there, Paul makes more sense.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:35 PM

Tommy Thompson is a joke.

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:35 PM

He was stammering

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:35 PM

oh goody. ron paul

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:35 PM

What’s with the fat guy with the camera?

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:36 PM

McCain doesn’t think English should be the official language?

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:36 PM

What’s with the fat guy with the camera?

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:36 PM

classy CNN type.

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:37 PM

Navajo’s? What is wrong with this man?

Is there a single Navajo in existence that does not know english better than most whites?

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:37 PM

Ok, so 30% overstayed their visa. Let’s concentrate primarily on them. Not the 70% who didn’t.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:37 PM

what the heck is the difference between swimming a river and overstaying a visa? That not crossing a border? Yes it is moron. They were just legal before they were illegal.

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:38 PM

Thompson question…

nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 7:38 PM

HERE IT IS, the FRED!!!

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:38 PM

A Rudy-McRomney /son question?
Are you kidding me.

186k on June 5, 2007 at 7:39 PM

Understatement of the night. We don’t know what fred? is and he’ll have to stand on his record.

Brilliant!

csdeven on June 5, 2007 at 7:39 PM

thompson sieems to have the blinkies

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:39 PM

What kind of question was that? “Should another Thompson get in the race?”.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:39 PM

I’d like just one of these guys to respond to Wolf with, “Your mother, Wolf.”

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:40 PM

Heh.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:40 PM

ooops. wrong guy. what was his name?

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:40 PM

McCain and Ron Paul might as well be speaking a different language.

infidel4life on June 5, 2007 at 7:40 PM

LMAO!

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:41 PM

How unfortunate….

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:41 PM

The lifers are going to have a field day with that lightning clip…

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:42 PM

Romney’s coming out swinging.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:42 PM

See, but Romney just brought all kinds of non-Roe v. Wade stuff into his answer. That betrays his lack of confidence in his record on abortion rights.

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:43 PM

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:41 PM

x2

Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 7:43 PM

evolution debate????

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:43 PM

OH SNAP, Huckabee drop kicked that guy!!

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:43 PM

I really like Huckabee’s answer to this creation/evolution question.

nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Great answer from Mike.

rslancer14 on June 5, 2007 at 7:44 PM

huckabee…smack down that question! are we going to ask about pardoning scooter libby again too?

TexasDan on June 5, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Mike!

Spirit of 1776 on June 5, 2007 at 7:44 PM

“Here I stand, I can do no other.”

Huckabee wins points for standing on his principles.

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:45 PM

I don’t know, I wasn’t there! Priceless!!

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Yep, Huckabee, finally, represented a non-crazy, view of evolution – I don’t know, but the point is that God did it.

nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 7:45 PM

heatherrc77 on June 5, 2007 at 7:43 PM

Yes, remember when Congress gave the President the power to write science books…oh, no, wait. Nevermind.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Seriously, what’s with all the buttholes in the backround?

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:46 PM

Is there a Wolfasaurus in the fossil record?

Limerick on June 5, 2007 at 7:46 PM

Brownback was pretty good too.

nailinmyeye on June 5, 2007 at 7:46 PM

I agree with McCain on that one. Children should hear all theories, then make their choice.

amerpundit on June 5, 2007 at 7:46 PM

I don’t have CNN. Are the questions as ridiculous this time as they were the last?

Slublog on June 5, 2007 at 7:47 PM

McCain was smart to invoke Mike! in his answer. Political experience showing there.

unamused on June 5, 2007 at 7:47 PM

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