Hot Air Video: A Liberal Math Lesson with Dennis Kucinich

posted at 1:47 pm on June 4, 2007 by Bryan

During the New Hampshire Democrat debate Sunday night, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked Rep. Dennis Kucinich if as president he would give the order to kill Osama bin Laden if the chance arose. Kucinich replied that he wouldn’t “assassinate” bin Laden, but then went even farther and said he favors taking anyone who has “violated international law” to international court. I wondered, who is he talking about?

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So who gets top billing in a Kuchinich/Paul ticket?

LakeRuins on June 4, 2007 at 2:02 PM

The questioner makes sure that the question is almost impossible to answer with a simple “yes”, because it would make them seem heartless and ghoulish to ignore the “collateral damage”. Just absolutely stupid, but par for the course.

Osama most certainly should not be tried in an international court. Any nation whose people have been murdered by him, in what he himself describes in terms of war, certainly has the right to attack him in terms of war. He isn’t the leader of a nation, he’s a TERRORIST. Granting him the elevation that tacitly comes with the term assassination is completely disingenuous.

Freelancer on June 4, 2007 at 2:07 PM

You have to give the guy some credit. At least he stands up for what he believes, unlike the rest of his colleagues on stage with him at the debate. Just look at their IWR votes. Evidently it is better to be wrong or gullible, rather than admit that a vote was based entirely on political considerations and future election ramifications.

You don’t have to lie, when you don’t have a chance in hell… but at least he got a trophy wife out of the deal. Perhaps Scarborough can make a comment about her “working the troll.”

rw on June 4, 2007 at 2:07 PM

Oh. Nice bit, Bryan.

Freelancer on June 4, 2007 at 2:11 PM

“working the troll”

bbz123 on June 4, 2007 at 2:15 PM

LakeRuins on June 4, 2007 at 2:02 PM


Kid from Brooklyn on June 4, 2007 at 2:18 PM

So who gets top billing in a Kuchinich/Paul ticket?

LakeRuins on June 4, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Acording to the Democrats it should be paul if that thread I just read in the DU is anything.

They think those internet polls showing Paul winning debates are accurate and that most republicans are ready to line up behind Ron Paul. That the MSM is misleading people into believing that Paul is a crank.

Seriously the wheels just arent turning in some democrats minds.

William Amos on June 4, 2007 at 2:25 PM

The courthouse for the international trial of Osama should be built across the street from Dennis’ house. He and his family members can be personally responsible for bringing Osama from his jail cell to the courtroom each day.

boru on June 4, 2007 at 2:30 PM

It astonishes me to no end that someone like this can even be on stage as a candidate with any credibility.

Kini on June 4, 2007 at 2:35 PM

So who gets top billing in a Kuchinich/Paul ticket?

LakeRuins on June 4, 2007 at 2:02 PM

They’d compete to see who could avoid leading.

James on June 4, 2007 at 2:44 PM

Not only will Dennis Kucinich not call for Osama’s assassination, in a bill he sponsored, HR 2977, he would forbid the use of psychotronic weapons, ie mind-control rays, from satellites in outer space. The bill also forbid the use of chemtrails, which he calls an exotic weapon.

So the Democrats are against the use of mind-rays and chemtrails. Let’s see them debate THAT.

Tantor on June 4, 2007 at 2:54 PM

I agree that Kucinich deserves credit for standing up for his beliefs. It’s just too bad he didn’t have a milk crate to do it on so we could see him.
Sorry. Anyway, my point is that by halfway through the debate I found myself thinking “Wow, I think Hillary might not be all bad. Except for the fact that she’s completely full of it!” I mean, maybe I’m totally naive, but it just breaks my heart that every time we see a politician speak, it has to be taken with an entire shaker of salt. Can we PLEASE have someone, just once, that say’s what they mean, stand’s by what they say, and accepts the negative consequences as well as the good for it?
I mean, it’s gotten to the point where(God forgivr me) I might even vote for a moderate Democrat if I truly believed we could trust them. It’d be worth the differences I’d have with them politically just so I wouldn’t have to call Ms. Freakin’ Cleo to have a 50/50 shot of knowing what to expect!!
Just for the record, that Democrat would NOT, I repeat NOT EVER be Kucinich.

Robert Hackman on June 4, 2007 at 3:04 PM

And the people of his district (10th) keep electing him….

I’d say he was a “useful idiot” — but he’s useless, so let’s just leave it at “idiot.”

georgej on June 4, 2007 at 3:11 PM

let me first apologize, the link i’m about to post has nothing to to with the topic, it’s about thug rapper akon and what he did to a boy. the link came from

todd76705 on June 4, 2007 at 3:25 PM

So who gets top billing in a Kuchinich/Paul ticket?

LakeRuins on June 4, 2007 at 2:02 PM

My first thought is that Dennis looks more like a catcher to me but looks can be decieving, he may get all manly and such when their alone…

TBinSTL on June 4, 2007 at 3:33 PM

This is a stupid argument. ANYONE within 100 feet of Osama is not innocent and should be sent to Allah post haste. He is being protected by the local community and that makes them as guilty.

csdeven on June 4, 2007 at 3:34 PM

The questioner makes sure that the question is almost impossible to answer with a simple “yes”

Gekkobear, if you were President of the United States, and the Intelligence Community said to you. ‘We know where Osama Bin Laden is; He’s in Pakistan. We’ve got the specific target; but he’s only going to be there for 20 minutes.’ You’ve got to give the order, yes or no to take him out with a hellfire missile. But you’re going to kill some innocent civilians at the same time. What would be your decision?

Yes. Take him out. Letting him go free is a larger risk in civilian casualties than killing him; he’s made sure of that himself through his own actions.

That was “almost impossible”?

Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

gekkobear on June 4, 2007 at 3:50 PM

12 cans short of a six-pack.

TwinkietheKid on June 4, 2007 at 5:07 PM

OH the shame of it. My only self acclaiming redemption is that this POS is from the Cleveland area. Not that I’ve not always thought that but now he’s on a national stage. OHHHHHHH the shame of it.

mjkazee on June 4, 2007 at 6:47 PM

Sorry I didn’t comp;ete my thought. This is the same as Billy boy, treating Osama as a police action instead of a matter of war. Have not the dems. figured out by this time that that does not work? Lets not use jdams lets use handcuffs. That way nobody gets hurt except those on our side. Hey the goats are safe isn’t that the only thing that matters. COMPLETE BS.

mjkazee on June 4, 2007 at 7:00 PM

gekkobear on June 4, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Legaly that would be an act of war on a sovereign power. With civilian casulties it would inflame the Pakistani populace and a NUCLEAR armed state would soon be in a state of rebellion.

Mushy would fall in a matter of days as he does not control parts of his government already.

We would end up with a Jihadist controled Nuclear armed Pakistan.

Getting Bin L is NOT worth that price.

Now… do it with a sniper rifle and no collateral casulties, and you could get away with it.

Romeo13 on June 4, 2007 at 7:05 PM


If I was a tiny midget moonbat, would I be happy to remain mentally challenged if I could get a tall, hot wife out of the deal???

Nah… no matter how hot they are, it is sometimes nice to have an intellectual discussion.

LegendHasIt on June 4, 2007 at 7:57 PM

This is a stupid argument. ANYONE within 100 feet of Osama is not innocent and should be sent to Allah post haste.

Rule #1: Do not attack the USA.

Rule #2: Stay away from people who break Rule #1.

The Monster on June 4, 2007 at 8:13 PM

The most telling thing is what the other donk candidates at the “debate” did – or better put, didn’t do. Not one of them called Kucinich on his implied call to try George Bush as a war criminal.

Whether they believe in the same thing themselves is one matter; what’s more important is the central illustration this incident provides into an axiom of donkey party politics:

They don’t take out their garbage.

One thing that being a Republican doesn’t entitle one to count on is party support if one does or says something foolish. Richard Nixon, Robert Packwood, Trent Lott, Mark Foley, Dennis Hastert are among Republicans who have lost their leadership positions and/or elected office because of doing or saying something they shouldn’t have done or said.

Conversely, it’s hard to think of many donks who haven’t been able to count on their party’s equally unstinting and unprincipled support for acts of moral turpitude, racist, hate-filled and inflammatory comments, public deceit, corruption and self-dealing. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Murtha, Jefferson … about the last time I can recall a donk in D.C. actually paying a price for malfeasance was Jim Wright.

The problem when one doesn’t take out the garbage is that eventually the stench of rotting garbage permeates everything inside the house. And that, in its essence, encapsulates the current state of the donkey party. Rolling in their own filth, yet refusing to do anything to clean it up.

Spurius Ligustinus on June 4, 2007 at 8:15 PM

The very fact that this seedy, shoddy, poor excuse for a human, is running for President is enough to make me cringe. I can’t see how or why the people of Ohio keep putting this slime in our laps!

NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on June 4, 2007 at 8:47 PM

Michelle, Ham?

Do you need a new budding assistant? In your hands you have another little star!

Egfrow on June 4, 2007 at 8:51 PM

If I had a chance to get Osama I’d take about .01 nanoseconds to decide to waste him. I’d like to know who these “innocent” civilians are huddled around Bin Ladin???

New thinking? Ask the French. There’s nothing new about surrender. We’ve totally gone 3rd world with this nitwit.

Mojave Mark on June 4, 2007 at 11:07 PM

Your Democrat party at it’s finest!!!

Golfer_75093 on June 5, 2007 at 8:37 AM

If you’re around OBL you’re no longer an innocent civilian.

wilkeson on June 5, 2007 at 8:44 AM

Off topic but kind of related to math

Bradky on June 5, 2007 at 1:28 PM

OBL should be held to account in “an international court of law?” How about an American court of law? Well, actually, I reckon I’m still partial to the hellfire missile…

morganfrost on June 6, 2007 at 11:30 AM

I disagree with Wolf Blitzer’s question. Anyone who willingly associates with the likes of UBL is guilty by association; he is inherently not innocent.

Ignorance is not a valid excuse; the whole world at this point has to know that UBL’s shadow is cursed. If there’s an infant there, that infant is still the responsibility of people who are guilty. That infant’s blood is on their hands. Anyone who gets close enough to identify him (500 feet?) and chooses to stay close enough is fair game in my book.

In that light, here’s something that’ll never happen, but I’d be okay even with it. If UBL went to a jam-packed soccer stadium and fans didn’t start leaving, I’d be perfectly okay with pressing the button for a MOAB to midfield or some hellfires to his side of the bleachers. I realize that’s tens of thousands of souls I’d be sending to Allah, but that is Allah’s problem. It’s their choice to associate, and actions have consequences.

Why do we have to fight wars on our tiptoes? That’s no way to win. I’m all for protecting innocent lives, but they’d better be really and truly innocent.

flutejpl on June 6, 2007 at 1:30 PM

12 cans short of a six-pack.

TwinkietheKid on June 4, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Greatest post on here :)

I’d fire 2 hellfires, just in case.

Lord Nazh on June 7, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Why are conservatives such cowards and chicken little’s “the sky is falling”. Don’t be such wussies. You hear something you don’t agree with or understand you go all nazi and blitzkrieg like.

You guys are like Osama Bin Laden’s #1 fan club. You exalt him and praise his evil so much it’s crazy. You would think he has super natural abilities. Hell Bin Laden wants to get with Whitney Huston, crack-head Whitney! How brilliant is that. The man lives in a cave & dumps in a dirt hole in the ground, if he’s still alive. STOP SCARING PEOPLE AND SPREADING FEAR. Get a life. You could be hit by lightning sooner than killed by a terrorist. The terrorist is a problem but NO ONE IS HONEST ABOUT IT (see my comment below ***).

You all get so involved with your own propaganda, rhetoric, hype, fear mongering you get whipped into a froth and lose you freaking minds.

YES Dennis Kucinich thinks Bush committed crimes and should be accountable. Deal with it. A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD THINK THAT. Thank GOD we live in this Great United Stated of America, where people can think and talk and have opinions, who are not in lock step with one party.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich is WAY too liberal for me but he has valid points, his points not mine, but they are not crazy, just not practical or realistic, however Bush thinks we can win Iraq so there.

Bush has violated constitutional law (many times) and acted unalatterly in attacking, invading and occupying Iraq. Doha! Oh-ops! My bad! There where no al-qaeda, 9/11, WMD ties at all. Oh well, “if Saddam did not have it, he was going to get it”. It’s like walking up to your kids while they are behaving well and slapping them because you know they will do something bad in the future.

Who is accountable? Bush no doubt. Bush has been at BEST incompetent, ineffectual and caused disastrous affects on our nation. Iraq? That place is screwed. I don’t blame Bush totally. The folks there want to KILL KILL KILL, each other, Jews, Americans who ever, that’s their thing. However we should have known that before trying to do nation building with force.

The Jihadist, fundamental, fanatical Islamic fascist terrorist, are the enemy, not Bush. Bin Laden is just one guy, who is not really in charge of anything at this point, but Bush “The decider” has been in charge since 9/11. I mean it would be great to kill Bin Laden, for what he did in the past, but even Bush says Bin Laden is not a priority. They dis-banded the Bin Laden task force.

So Dennis Kucinich is not into assassination but capture, trial and than punishment. WOW novel idea. Are we not better than the terrorist? I say we get them any way we can, but Dennis is entitled to his opinion. It clearly his way is the more noble and moral way to go. It does not have to be the codpiece flight suite hanging brain swagger that Bush had on the “mission accomplished” flight deck. May be we have had too much swagger to last us a while.

Iraq war has been more devastating to the world than 9/11 and may be even America IMHO. Now listen and THINK first. 9/11 was beyond evil. However it’s hard to admit, no matter what good intent we had, Iraq has been worse than 9/11.

NOW DON’T GET ME WRONG, America is #1, FIRST; who cares about brown people around the world, but seriously, the cost in American people and treasure, plus the destruction of Iraq has cost US way more in lives and cost than 9/11.

The road to destruction is lined with good intent. We rushed into this and where unprepared and naive. Now the CIA told us what was going to happen. There was descent, but it was crushed under the veil of patriotism and miss-information (note I did not say lies). Bush had an agenda to go into Iraq, and made the Intel fit. THAT WAS THE CRIME.

Post 9/11 we had almost unilateral sympathy from the world, at least the non Islamic world and even some of that, but Iraq has had the opposite effect. It has fomented more hate for America than ever before, but now they have a real points to hate us on, a major F-up. We have to admit that. Who was driving the ship, staying the course? BUSH and a GOP ran congress/senate. Now there has been good from going into Iraq, I Admit that. However the time of diminishing return has past. We will still have influence on Iraq and Iran for God sakes. We are America after all. Stop predicting gloom and doom. Where where you before March 2003 in your predictions and caution?

Before they hated the USA for supporting Israel, Going into Saudi Arabia to attack Iraq (1990) and all the sanctions we imposed on the region. Now they hate us for attacking, invading and occupying Islamic land (Iraq), the heart of Mesopotamia. As long as we are there they will want to kill us MORE THAN USUAL.

If another nation did to America what we did to Iraq, we would be mad, right. This other nation by the way had a million times the strength with a space age missile shield defense that made our nukes impenitent. Their air force, navy and army where 100,000 times greater. They attacked us because we had weapons of mass destruction and called people “the axis of evil”. How would we feel? It’s abstract but really how would we like it? Well we would not.

We have to be better than anyone else, because we have the power. Heck Israel could wipe out Iraq and Iran off the map 10,000 times over, by them self. So don’t HYPE, get real. We are in control and need to be SMART. Right now we will BANKRUPT the nation in 6 years if we keep going the way we are spending money on this war, about $300,000 a DAY! Even if we stopped today the cost will continue for decades.

Putting an aluminum foil hat on Dennis, shame. Than you have Bush who is a functional Dee-Dee-Dee retard, and you get all pissed when people attack Bush? You freaking hypocrites. To get robust and good decisions you NEED to listen to everyone and understand it. Disagree fine but childish name calling and draw on pictures to make a mockery of others is contemptible. That is a sign you have little intellect and your position is weak.

Impeach Bush? No its a waste of time and than what, Cheney, the dark knight, Darth Vader’s cousin. However I bet Bush will not travel or do anything in his post office life (thank you Lord, I pray). He will be a pariah in the nation and world. The good thing is we have this God Given blessing of a governmental system that was so inspired by God and our founding fathers, that it will survive and the people will speak in 2008. Like Nov 2006, the people will open a whole Can-O-whoop-A$$ on the GOP and the deserve every office they lose. For one “conservatives” make aluminum foil hats for people they disagree with. Bush needs a helmet to protect that brilliant brain and his black limo should be a short yellow special ed bus.

Now Fred Thompson is your new great white hope? Divorced once, wife #2 is a hot woman, 25 years younger. WOW! Now that is family values. I have herd him talk and he seems like he is, well has old age memory problems, alzheimer’s or something. He just is not sharp unless reading lines. Good luck with Fred GOP.

gmcjetpilot on June 7, 2007 at 6:09 PM