Audio: Peggy Noonan lowers the boom on Bush
posted at 6:11 pm on June 4, 2007 by Allahpundit
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More audio from Brian Kirsten and the Judge courtesy of Johnny Dollar. Her soft, measured speaking style softens the blows but Noonan’s clearly throwing roundhouses here, particularly when she accuses him of having exploited the goodwill he accrued from 9/11. The amnesty bill and the accusations of bad faith that have come with it are the last, indefensible straw. There’s simply no making excuses for the guy anymore. Like Noonan says, we don’t know who he is. But we do know he’s not one of us.
Don’t quit on it before it’s played all the way through. The end is devastating.
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Oh wow! More Bush bashing, how unique.
Capitalist Infidel on June 4, 2007 at 6:14 PM
CI – seeing Peggy Noonan works for the one newspaper that is still unabashedly backing President Bush in everything, especially the amnesty bill, it is a bit unique.
steveegg on June 4, 2007 at 6:18 PM
Noonan has been shredding him over the past few weeks, and he richly deserves it.
He’s worked damn hard to earn our disdain.
Bad Candy on June 4, 2007 at 6:20 PM
Right On. Bush has linked himself with two ego maniacs, Kennedy and McCaine. This will be the end of both the GOP, and then the country. Oh, and I love the provision that the illegls will have to swear they will not join a gang. This bill is a travesty and a disgrace. I have already told the GOP they can go to a Democrat for the contributions the expect me to give them.
pat on June 4, 2007 at 6:20 PM
Unique coming from someone as thoughtful as Noonan. However, she is a conservative thinker first, and she’s right. For the White House to “group characterize” anyone that opposes an issue position is always wrong, it’s low, it’s the style of the left.
Noonan would be among the first to back a Republican White House, but not when they’re wrong, and they’re wrong on immigration.
I was very pleased with the discussion on the audio.
Freelancer on June 4, 2007 at 6:22 PM
Noonan’s doing nothing wrong – she’s been totally correct. Bush deserves every criticism she’s been dishing.
amerpundit on June 4, 2007 at 6:23 PM
she is a traitor
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 6:38 PM
Amen.
And just so the libs know, if there’s a supreme court opening this summer, and W puts up an Alito or Roberts, we’re in his corner.
Iblis on June 4, 2007 at 6:38 PM
Mild — compared to some of the bashing I’ve seen right here on this web site.
CyberCipher on June 4, 2007 at 6:45 PM
Uhhh… its coming from the Conservative side of the fence. If you can’t see how this is different… I can’t help ya.
Bush has lost his Mojo…
Talking with Iran and Syrai… arming the Palestinians (1 million rounds of M-16 ammo)… not capping Al Sadr. caving on the Carbon Crap… STILL not securing the border… cutting in HALF the National Guard on the border… only building 2 miles of fence…
presided over the largest increase in government size in history (Homeland Security), FEMA now sucks, still has not done a DAM thing about the secrets leaked by the NYT and MSM….
Serious loss of Mojo…
Romeo13 on June 4, 2007 at 6:46 PM
This is a kind of group psychosis. The conservatives always cut and run on there leaders when times get tough.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Hmmm… Psychosis??? Ohhhh… I see…
So it would be sane to continue to support our “leaders” who are not acting as conservatives?
Bigger government.
Won’t reign in spending.
Foreign wars their wimpishness won’t allow us to win.
Amnesty for illegals and MORE immigration.
Won’t enforce the laws… for either the border, or Secrets.
Won’t even call our enemies what they are, Militant Islam!
Still trying to force the War on Drugs…
Federalized education, without funding it.
So… if a “Conservative” Leader is not acting as a conservative, it would be a psychosis to discontinue the support of a hyprocrits and liars…
It wouldn’t be “sane” to look for different leaders, who acutaly will ACT Conservative, not just portray themselves as such?
Romeo13 on June 4, 2007 at 6:58 PM
What?! This is not “tough times”, this is a stab in the back to all Conservatives that have stood up and backed their President.
heatherrc77 on June 4, 2007 at 6:59 PM
crap.
idiot stupid crap for stupids.
the radical left will reap the windfall of this fashionable bush-bashing.
over what? nothing. over a phoney made up issue for gold-standard, amero, rfid, anti-freemason, john bircher nuts. honestly, f**k the conservative movement if it’s this soft-headed, cynical or whatever the motive is for whoever.
i’ve lost a lot of respect for people like hugh hewitt who, a month and a half ago, was level headed about immigration, but who smelled the pungent ultr-populist stink rising off the border nut, north american union pack, and is now dedicating two thirds of each show to playing to that crowd.
it won’t be long before people empowered by the mainstream party types make fools and liars of them. because you know what? chertof was right. there are obcessives at the driving edge of the immigration debate who want mexicans expelled in the coldest manner possible, who will cut you off at the slightest peep about feasibility, much less humanity, to accuse you of abrogating your citizenship or worse. i believe these people would approve of some deliberate accidents amidst the prying of people from homes they’ve purchased legally and forcing them into busse, so long as it might have a krystalnacht effect on the others. you know who i’m talking about; the ones who snap “why not?!” when it is explained to them in baby terms that you cannot deport 12 million people.
if the smarties think this is like a giant bandaid for the eroding vitality and functionality of the conservative movenent – that they can flee the scene with a mostly salvaged movement by chewing off the neo-cons and the bush administration while bringing the god-botherers and populists along – then i’m not going to be there to share the shame of the stars and bars flags and tax protester loonies making a fool of me. i’ll go somewhere which is already f**ked up like the lp and see what can be made of that.
jummy on June 4, 2007 at 7:00 PM
he didn’t stab you guys in the back…christ all mighty. You are stabbing him in the back.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 7:01 PM
no doubt. it’s weakness. they’re sick of defending themselves, and so they’ve realized they have the opportunity to make bush the bad guy and sit out the next cycle. “let the dems end the war. it was fifty fifty what they wanted and what bush made happen, who was never a ‘real’ conservative anyway.”
b.s.
jummy on June 4, 2007 at 7:06 PM
They never got up in front of the media day after day week after week to defend our president against attack from the war to the economy to any # of issues.
They should have been out there screaming everyday the value of what we are doing. Well, Duh we wish the president would describe the war better…shut up and help…
They sure are loud enough when they disagree.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 7:13 PM
tomas & jummy, you are as wrong as wrong can be. You’re taking a page from the Dimocrat’s book – support the party line at all cost. I voted for Bush twice, and would again if the choices were the same, but on domestic speding and shamnesty he’s as bad a President as you could ever imagine.
I agree completely with Noonan on his record:
1. taxes A
2. Afganistan A
3. Iraq C-
4. domestic spending D
5. immigration F
He’s lost me.
peski on June 4, 2007 at 7:17 PM
they never tried, never wanted to try. in six years the right grassroots have remained consistently behind the left. i’m still seeing people answer lefty propaganda myths like “we armed saddam with chemical and biological weapons” with answers like, “well, so what? that’s why we had an obligation to take them away.” 90% of “conservatives” are channel-surfing consumers of what 10% do. they want to have their inclinations supported, textually and institutionally, but when the row gets to rocky, they drop the ho and wander off, because they never had the intention of following through to begin with.
i know what the power in the immigration issue is for radical nationalists is. what p**ses me off are the ones who are affecting concern over the immigration movement as a way of dropping ball while blaming the quarterback
jummy on June 4, 2007 at 7:18 PM
OK… let me make this clear…
Most of South America, Central Ameria, and Mexico, are extremely corrupt states. Bribery, lawbreaking, poverty, and just like Chaves, power politics, are the way to get ahead there. In Mexico right now there are drug gangs controlling entire cities… the last election had Riots…
So, you bring 12 -20 million people raised in those cultures here ILLEGALY. They then get to bring their children, spouses and Parents (Z2 and Z3…)… making it upwards of 30-40 million, or more than 10% of the population.
To work here, they either have to be working under the table, or using Identity theft with Fake documents. So, they are once more breaking the law to get ahead, and showing that this culture, is just like back home (corrupt).
Employers turning a blind eye to the law (corruption) and sanctuary cities (lack of respect for the law) once agian reinforce this idea…
You now forgive them all their past law breaking for a minimal fee (its now $950 for a real greencard, $1000 for their fine… so essentialy its a $50 fine), and make it so they can live and work here legaly… with full benfits and rights (the old equal protection thing, ACLU is gonna be all over this).
So… they get REWARDED for breaking the law, and for working in a corrupt system…
Tell me… just how does this bring them into the idea of the Rule of Law? When you just rewarded them further for being corrupt and law breakers?
Its NOT ETHNIC!!! Its about the breakdown of one of the main threads in the fabric of our society, the respect for LAW AND ORDER!
Romeo13 on June 4, 2007 at 7:19 PM
Bush is the one who has run from the conservatives. And for certain he is not a leader of conservatives so how is any conservative expected to back him? Not this one anymore. Bush has left the building.
Wade on June 4, 2007 at 7:20 PM
He grades better on those issue than do conservatives.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 7:22 PM
We have defended him, loud and clear on those issues. We have taken grief for it too. And now, after all the defending we have done, we get this in return?
I still back Bush on everything from the Iraq war to Taxes, but when it is time for him to back his supporters, we get stabbed in the back….
heatherrc77 on June 4, 2007 at 7:23 PM
and by the way…how can you use her…a person who said Bush exploited the lives of dead people for his goals.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 7:23 PM
I don’t know why you keep coming here accusing people of populism, nativism, etc, or wondering why this is such a hotbutton issue for the conservative base. All I have to offer you is a tour of Southern California. If we’re not going to have rule of law, we’re not going to have a country.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 7:25 PM
Why do you keep propping up this strawman? We want LAW ENFORCEMENT. We want deportation by attrition. Gosh, man. You need to take a tour sometime. You’ll find out where the real racists are real quick. I’ll just drop you off in East Los sometime and see how you do.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Come on…we can pick out time you are angry…but I can remember very few if any helping him. If anyone would notice it would be me. Not attacking him on an issue doesn’t equal support.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 7:29 PM
President Bush is an absolute joke.
V15J on June 4, 2007 at 7:30 PM
What, because it wasn’t posted on this blog it didn’t happen?? Come on Tomas…please. You gotta have something better than that!
heatherrc77 on June 4, 2007 at 7:34 PM
As I’ve said before on this site, I’ve supported the president since before the New Hampshire primary. I walked around for hours in the cold, passing out literature and working the phone banks.
I’ve given time, money and votes to this president and his party. It’s fair to say I’ve helped him. His response? To push a bad bill and then say that anyone who criticizes him doesn’t want what’s right for America.
Criticism of the president is not treason. Using that word for anything but actual treason cheapens our political discourse.
Slublog on June 4, 2007 at 7:38 PM
right. here’s my take on all that.
THERE’S A GOD DAMNED F**KING WAR GOING ON IN IRAQ WHICH IS ABOUT TO “END” THE WAY VIETNAM DID.
YOU, WITH YOUR STUPID SIDESHOW, ARE ABBETTING THAT OUTCOME.
HALF THE NATION, THANKS TO THE UNBROKEN UNITY OF PURPOSE ACCROSS THE LEFT, THINKS THAT THERE IS NO WAR ON TERROR, AND THAT 9-11 WAS POSSIBLY STAGED.
IF THIS WAR ENDS PRECIPITOUSLY, AND THIS IS THE PART I WANT YOU TO REALLY CONSIDER - APART FROM THE MILLIONS DEAD AS THE MIDDLE-EAST DECENDS INTO ANARCHY AND GENOCIDE, APART FROM THE TERRORISM WHICH WILL FOLLOW US HOME, APART FROM THE NOW COMPLETELY UNSALVAGABLE REPUTATION OF THE U.S. AS AN ALLY AND PROTECTOR – THE ENTIRE FIASO WOULD HAVE PROVEN THAT THE U.S. CAN BE DEFEATED TWICE AND PROBABLY ALWAYS BY DOMESTIC RADICAL INSURGENCIES USING ONLY THEIR WORDS.
thirty years from now after this happens, after we’re france with 500 cars burnt a month in anarkiddie/calafist riots our police don’t have the political authority to contain, i won’t suffer a word from any of the IMKMIGRATION IS THWE IMPORTANTEST CRAP ON EEARTGH chorus about how it was all the left’s fault or how bush dropped the ball.
jummy on June 4, 2007 at 7:39 PM
LoL at this argument. Fair weather Republicans? On blogs?! Yeah guys… that’s exactly how it went the last 6 years. Conservatives never ever went to ridiculous, embarassing lengths to defend the White House over the stupidest issues. And Blogs never ever EVER twisted into pretty silly pretzels to be the Bush cheerleaders in the face of glaring failures. Nope; never happened. We’re all just a bunch of lazy Cut n’ Run(tm) wussy traitors!
Ok, show of hands. Who thinks tomas is actually George Bush and jummy is Alberto Gonzalas.
Lehosh on June 4, 2007 at 7:39 PM
LMAO! Great one Lehosh! 1 hand here!
heatherrc77 on June 4, 2007 at 7:43 PM
you mean like pulling it out of your ass and pretending to have been attacked with it? that’s something the left does constantly. is thi9s now a strategy of the “real” conservative club?
jummy on June 4, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Did I say he called me a traitor? I’m responding to this:
I’m of the opinion that words mean things, and we should be careful not to misuse them.
Slublog on June 4, 2007 at 7:45 PM
I want to know where, exactly, we’re cutting and running on Iraq. And when I say we, I mean conservatives. Seems to me most of us can still back Bush on Iraq. Personally, he lost me on this whole immigration issue. I live in So Cal as well PRCalDude. Sometimes I wish I didn’t.
wherestherum on June 4, 2007 at 7:51 PM
oh, good god no. will i be scared straight by the dryness of the cookies in the pandaria? no! please do not expose me to ordinary latinos, mr. city dwelling white person. you have seen horrors which would bend ordinary mens’ minds.
jummy on June 4, 2007 at 7:52 PM
jummy on June 4, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Hmmm, havent taken your med’s today have you……..
doriangrey on June 4, 2007 at 7:52 PM
Lets see… I missed Viet Nam by 4 years… but did Beruit, Storm, and a few things folks never heard of… 7 Sea Service Ribbons…
I still have men I led in the Service, although I’ve retired.
I understand theres a war on, and in my view we have to win it. I just don’t think Bush is capable of doing so.
Want to know how to win? SEAL THE BORDERS WITH IRAN AND SYRIA!!! Free fire zones on the border with airpower, and limited crossing points where we can control things.
But Bush seems to have a blind spot about borders.
As you seem to have blind faith in someone who, IMO, has shown themselved pretty dang incompetant.
Thats why I am supporting Thompson… pro war, pro controlling the border, wants power back to the states, says tax cuts work, wants limited Federal Government… calls the WOT what it is, a War on Militant Islam…
Sorry to inflame you, but he’s got a clue about being a conservative… Bush, if he ever did, does not show it.
Romeo13 on June 4, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Umm, East LA has gangs, hon. It’s not somewhere you want to be after dark.
wherestherum on June 4, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Actually most of LA has gangs. And since the crackdown in Downtown LA, they’ve been flooding into the Valley where we have fewer cops.
wherestherum on June 4, 2007 at 7:55 PM
Slublog,
I dont think jummy or tomas can understand you.
wherestherum on June 4, 2007 at 7:51 PM
I live in So Cal (San Diego County) too, never wish I didn’t but boy there are times when I am sooo embarrassed at the imbecilic stuff my northern fellow (of me) Californians do…….
doriangrey on June 4, 2007 at 7:57 PM
There was a good debate on The Corner yesterday that originated from this piece, and included, among others, Mark Steyn and Jonah Goldberg.
They did raise some good points, mainly that we were warned by the “compassionate conservitism” moniker and other indications that Bush was a big govt. guy, as well as a true believer in open borders. And to be fair, that is correct.
However, on the other side, Bush also campaigned against excessive spending (where he’s failed miserably to rein that in using his veto pen), campaigned against McVain-Feingold (which he turned around and signed into law anyway), and he did take an oath of office to uphold the laws of this country (meaning he has not lived up to that oath with his non-enforcment of the borders, particularly when you consider 9/11). He also nominated the unqualified Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court and was only saved there when she took herself out of the running.
But where he’s really f’ed up is the complete and utter contempt he’s shown for his base, those of us who supported him and got him into office in the first place and have defended him against some of the most vile attacks the left wing has ever thrown towards a Republican president. Our thanks for that – in his eyes, we are just a bunch of xenophobic bigots who don’t want to do right for this country.
Yep, he’s earned the disdain alright, big time.
thirteen28 on June 4, 2007 at 8:01 PM
gangs? you mean like on the television?
jummy on June 4, 2007 at 8:01 PM
Please, I can name a time where anyone besied McCain really defended the president…Vocally. He earned the right to rip him because he supports him as well…not behind the curtain waiting to pounce when things don’t go his way like the gutless conservative BASE…ha.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 8:03 PM
Who has she sold out? Certainly not the United States. And for the arrogant argument that this will somehow hand the election to the Dems in a time of war: Whose fault is that? Maybe Bush would have done better by uniting his base and throwing this piece of legislation under the bus. Instead, he is catering to foreign governments (like Mexico who sold their vote on the Security Council to vote against the US before Iraq) and the likes of the WSJ (who Noonan writes for, ironically).
Before you accuse her (or other principled conservatives) of being traitors, please realize that Bush, and only Bush, brought the Republican Party to the precipice we are all staring over. If someone deserves to be thrown under the bus, how about the guy who has called the American people a bunch of racists?
cmay on June 4, 2007 at 8:06 PM
You might be scared straight by the size of MS-13, White Fence, and 18th Street. It’s always great to have a gun pointed at you for being in the wrong neighborhood. You’re standard argument tactic is ignorant ridicule, however, so maybe I’m wasting my time.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 8:10 PM
Jummy,
You knew Al-Qaeda was trying to recruit Mexican and Central American gang members, didn’t you? It’s all just a big joke to you, though. Bush protecting the country is like me saying I secured my house and left the backdoor wide open.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 8:12 PM
i wonder if those names actually mean anything to you; whether you could actually tour me through east la and show me which set of “bad lookin’ dudes” is ms-13 and which tag is 18th street’s. my block is bishops. but i don’t make a point of memorizing their names and reciting them with rapt mystisism. maybe the guy pointed his gun in your face because he caught you sniffing his holster.
jummy on June 4, 2007 at 8:18 PM
More of what I’m talking about. You argue like a lib. All ridicule, nothing substantive. Digg could use another Diggbat. Kos could use some help too.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Bush is a great man who guided a divided nation through War and a devastated economy…He is a uniter who is fighting the extremists who wish to continue the fight. His comments only hit so hard because it makes some sense.
To think he he is speaking to you is proof of that. What offended you so greatly. His words.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 8:24 PM
WOW! I thought i was the only one to get b*&^% at on this blog. Glad to see it gets spread around. Here is a thought for to chew on, you know all those people who sat out last years vote to teach the Republicans a lesson? How many of you wished they had won? When you replace ANY type of conservatism with Liberalism this is what you get. I don’t like all of this bill and I like some of it. But you would not have it if we had the majorities. Y’all knew Bush wanted this, but people let the dems take control. The one thing Bush needs to come clean on is keeping up with the polls. I believe he does care how he is seen. Maybe, maybe not.
On the war issue, he said at the outset IT WOULD BE LONG AND HARD. I don’t like the death count on the nightly news, but I am sure the score is not even.
One more thing on the bill, Michelle, Rush, Laura, Hannity, etc. says there is not enforcement first. Bush says there is. Who do you believe. I don’t know.
Republican conservatives are just as capable of going after things just like the dems are, i just wish we would have got behind our guys last year with the same energy. But they didn’t. Who’s to blame. I don’t know. Did not have a real battle here.
There sure is alot of passion about this issue. Can we have that same passion to keep from having a President Clinton.
kara26 on June 4, 2007 at 8:25 PM
I think I’m going to believe Michelle. Enforcement has gone down under the Bush Administration. This bill is worse than the 1986 amnesty, and everybody knows it. Of course, you’re so interested in hiring them that that fact doesn’t matter to you, regardless of how your country changes for the worse in 10-20 years.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 8:28 PM
Maybe a good first start would be identifying the enemy, and clarifying the root cause of the conflict like Robert Spencer has done.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Maybe genius troll Jummy can identify for us where Adnan Shukrijumah is. He came up from the southern border as well.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 8:42 PM
where did my post go?
kara26 on June 4, 2007 at 8:43 PM
There seems to be some confusion here. This is a Representative Democracy. Arguments that the citizenry should suppress thier true ideas in the name of party loyalty are corrosive to the entire system. This is why George Washington was against the formation of political parties at all. We are at the point now most citizens don’t even pay attention to politics as Rep. vs Dem. is nothing more then a battle of insiders with no real percieved effect on how the government operates. In this situation, by default the only way out of it is to vote out all incumbents. We didn’t vote out enough of the incumbents in 2006 for the rest of them to get the message.
Resolute on June 4, 2007 at 8:45 PM
I say impeach GWB and so do a lot of conservatives that do not have their rose color glasses on and live in neverland.GWB will go down as the worst president even surpassing Jimmy Carter.
Peter Gadiel wrote a well reasoned piece today and goes into great detail why GWB deserves to be impeached for his failure to enforce our borders.He is the father of one of the 3000 killed on 911 and has formed the 9/11 Families for a Secure America that is not related to the truther movement.
Jummy and Tomas are proof that there is indeed koolaid drinkers that will swallow anything to support their man including Treason.
ScottyDog on June 4, 2007 at 8:50 PM
wow, mean just mean people
kara26 on June 4, 2007 at 8:55 PM
I don’t like a lot of what’s on VDARE, but there’s no arguing with that. It’s a pretty rock-solid case against Bush. Impeach him.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 9:00 PM
pr i posted back to you but it want come up. did it twice don’t know what the problem is. check back, i wnat you to see it.
kara26 on June 4, 2007 at 9:02 PM
It probably didn’t go through b/c Allah screened it.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 9:07 PM
no it was not bad.
kara26 on June 4, 2007 at 9:09 PM
I will try again in short.
don’t hire illegals, never said i did, but i do not.
Like the guess worker part of the bill
want the fence built first
want social programs cut off
want births to happen in mex.
then a guess worker program.
and i do not want them to go to the front of the line.
don’t care about the fines, just want the fair tax put into place.
thats it in short
kara26 on June 4, 2007 at 9:11 PM
well that went through, don’t know why the others did not. did not use bad words.
oh well
kara26 on June 4, 2007 at 9:13 PM
A vote for Bush in 2000 and 2004 was a vote for the best candidate available, not the perfect candidate. I think Bush is just being what he is which is a less than a hard right conservative. I was not really angry with him until he called us names because we opposed his amnesty bill. Until that point, sure I was not happy, but I think communication between the president and the opponents was achievable. But he refused to lead this party. As the head of our party, it was incumbent on him to lead the discussion, BUT he did not do that. He attacked us and worse yet, had many other conservatives attack us. The opportunity to have civil discourse is lost to him now. He has driven a wedge in the party because he didn’t value the support of those who opposed this. As far as I am concerned, when your leaders stop leading, and the power rests with the people, we have no choice but to take the helm from a dysfunctional captain and get it back on course.
There has to be a prioritization of conservative values when the party is rudderless. The first priority has to be for the people to elect a new leader that will best represent those values. Bush forgot to lead on a very important issue and more importantly, refuses to correct his course.
csdeven on June 4, 2007 at 9:17 PM
“Guided” is the wrong term because it implies that the war is over. Seems like its far from it.
If Bush were actually serious about defeating the islamofacists, why the strict rules of engagement imposed on our heros in military? Why try to pacify a region of 25 million people with so few troops?
His comments don’t hit at all. This guy has been trying to give the exact same speech since the war started. I say trying because he can barely string two sentences together.
Notice how Bush goes out of his way when criticizing Democrats when he says, “I don’t question their patriotism”. But when it comes to the conservative base, the very people who put his ass into office it’s, “you don’t want whats best for the country”.
He’s a disaster.
V15J on June 4, 2007 at 9:24 PM
GWB had a good first term and a disastrous second term.
Oh dear. You do realise that gangs also exist in real life? Right?
jummy you are a complete chump and if John Edwards wins the Democratic nomination he could do worse than to name you as his VP. He could argue that the war on terror is a fabrication and you could argue that gangs are a conservative myth dreamt up to scare voters.
aengus on June 4, 2007 at 9:29 PM
GWB had a good first term and a disastrous second term.
Oh dear. You do realise that gangs also exist in real life? Right?
jummy you are a complete chump and if John Edwards wins the Democratic nomination he could do worse than to name you as his VP. He could argue that the war on terror is a fabrication and you could argue that gangs are a conservative myth dreamt up to scare voters.
aengus on June 4, 2007 at 9:29 PM
csdeven,
No matter what anyone’s thoughts on the bill are, i will have to agree with you, the pres should not be bashing his side. He needs to bash the other.
He may feel alittle pist about the election last year, but this is not the way to handle it. Its not a pissing contest.
I like your thoughts, very good
kara26 on June 4, 2007 at 9:32 PM
Uh, actually you had the same bill passed in the Senate when the Republicans ran the shop. This is actually a bit more conservative than that one (and this one was written by Ted Kennedy, not a Republican!).
That one was eventually killed by the House. This may be going that way too. But your point that “It wouldn’t be as bad if we had more Republicans” was proven wrong last year and it probably had a lot to do with their demise.
I thought about this before the ‘06 elections (impeach Bush for failing to enforce immigration laws) that this would be good for Bush and the country. Impeaching Bush would force him be more populist, and there are few issues that unite the US more than enforcing our borders (killing Bin Laden and every other terrorist in the world would be even better, but that’s not easy or predictable). It could be the low hanging fruit he picked to raise his approval ratings and stave off any sanction. Democrats would have overreached and (hopefully) would have to pay the price.
Having said all that, I still can’t understand how Bush is cordial to his enemies: Ted Kennedy wrote the No Child Left Behind bill and this abomination; Putin is a wacko; and Vicente Fox sold his vote against the US when Mexico had a seat at the Security Council. But he (and let’s not blame Peggy Noonan for this) calls his most stalwart supporters and, indeed, the great majority of the country a bunch of racists.
cmay on June 4, 2007 at 9:34 PM
Thanks.
I’m a blind squirrel commenter. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. :-)
csdeven on June 4, 2007 at 9:37 PM
no he didn’t
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 9:37 PM
What devastated economy? The economy slid a little towards the end of Slick Willie’s presidency, but it’s been doing pretty good since.
wherestherum on June 4, 2007 at 9:38 PM
The pure stupidity of the LA city council makes me wish I didn’t live here. None of the so-called leaders here care about their constituents. It’s all for money or power. Does San Diego at least still retain some of it’s conservativism? You’d be hard pressed to find the conservatives here in LA since most of them are hiding.
wherestherum on June 4, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Seriosly, 9-11 happened when we were in a disputed recession and the markets tanked…Bush fostered a great economy.
Like I said…now conservatives are trying to belittle his accomplishments now that they are pissed. They are worse than libs.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 9:46 PM
cmay
your right, was thinking more of the house, but its not killed yet. I don’t know, i am for vote them out if they get it wrong crowd most of the time, but man the other side scares me to hell, i mean scares me. My side just pisses me off sometimes, there is a big differance.
kara26 on June 4, 2007 at 9:48 PM
Ok, so technically the president doesn’t really control the economy. What do you want us to say? He cut taxes? Sure, that’s great. We like that. But he hasn’t reined in spending. That should go hand in hand. The war was mismanaged at best and incompetenly run at worst.
I don’t understand how our criticizing of the president is the same as liberals. We’re not bashing his character. We’re criticizing his policies. Who’s belittling his accomplishments? And what accomplishments has he really to speak of? Yes, he got Saddam out. Yes, he led us well in the aftermath of 9/11. But to blindly follow him off a cliff like a lemming when his policies are destructive to our country? That’s just stupid.
wherestherum on June 4, 2007 at 9:57 PM
We’re becoming like a small South American country or a small African country.
Mojave Mark on June 4, 2007 at 9:58 PM
Peggy is a traitor?
What kind of ignorant punk would make such a statement.
She took a leave of absense from her job at the Journal to help get Bush reelected in 2004. That doesn’t sound like a traitor to me.
Bush is a failure.
The ranter above said we’re in a war..
THAT’S RIGHT GOD DAMN IT
Bush has done NOTHING to counter the lies the Democrats started with Joe Wilson and let permeate every discussion in the media to such a extent that myths are now facts.
THAT IS HIS FREAKING FAULT… HE’S THE LEADER. AND HIS LEADERSHIP IS PATHETIC AND IMCOMPETENT.
It was only because of the vile Muslim Jihad against us that I gave this President my support.. and he stabs me and every one of his defenders in the back in this enviroment where his leadership failures force us to have to endure endless stupid debates on the reasons for the iraq war.. soemthing so simple that i almost cry in frustration when a leftard gets away with being able to use that to distract any discussion about what to do in the future.
LEADERSHIP FAILURE AT THE MOST CRITICAL TIME. That is Bush’s legacy.
VinceP1974 on June 4, 2007 at 9:59 PM
After a quick scan of this and other of your comments in this thread, Jummy (Oh thou who loveth to accuse others of anti-conservatism) you have proven you don’t understand fundamental conservative thought. You’re puking up the same worthless name-calling rhetoric the Bush administration has over the last couple of weeks – then calling border-control advocates “soft-headed”. What an absolute crock. Just like Noonan says she doesn’t know Bush, I don’t know who you are but you sure aren’t conservative in your thinking.
A conservative recognizes that the first duty of government is to PROTECT ITS CITIZENS. If you can’t make the connection between this federal duty and the near total security melt-down on our border you can’t do simple math. As a result your many bloviations have no more credibility than any other gaseous emission.
The Ritz on June 4, 2007 at 10:07 PM
I’m not sure what you’re listening to, but it’s not Peggy Noonan, which is what this thread is about. She is very complimentary of his accomplishments. Her point is that conservatives, who may have been uneasy with him before, at least liked him and felt they knew him. After his latest hyperbole and attacks, now they feel alienated. Did you even listen to Noonan?
Also, you’re belittling the folks who got him elected twice. Bush is belittling them, both directly and through proxies, in a way he never has against the anti-American, anti-military Left. And you’re upset at those who’ve been insulted versus the people who have been insulting.
Rather than being upset at those who have been told to go eff themselves, maybe you should look at who’s effing the party. Maybe the Republican party’s new slogan should be “We effing love W, and W loves effing us.”
cmay on June 4, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Nah, it’s just that his failures and overall incompetence as a leader trump the few good things he has done.
V15J on June 4, 2007 at 10:11 PM
And one of the few things most conservatives praise is his two SCOTUS appointments. But remember that we had to hold his feet to the fire to get Alito instead of Miers. Maybe we’re all just a bunch of whiners for that and he’s repaying our insolence.
cmay on June 4, 2007 at 10:15 PM
Let’s all pray for the House to do the right thing and for a good Republican candidate in the next election.
cmay on June 4, 2007 at 10:18 PM
That could be the dumbest sentence I’ve ever read. Conservatives have been bashing him for weeks because of the amnesty bill. I never said he didn’t deserve it, it’s just that it’s getting awfully boring. Is it new that another Conservative is bashing him? I think not. The only surprise would be if someone backed him.
Capitalist Infidel on June 4, 2007 at 10:21 PM
Amen to that! It may be the only thing standing between today and a Dem majority as far as the eye can see.
The Ritz on June 4, 2007 at 10:21 PM
She accuses him of exploiting 9-11? Conservative hero to be sure.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 10:23 PM
I have supreme confidence that whoever the GOP nominee is will be light years better than the Dem nominee. I’m optimistic about the Presdintial outlook.. regarding congress, i can only go by what i see in the press, and that doesn’t loook so good.
VinceP1974 on June 4, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Thompson/Noonan ‘08? Both of them have their heads on straight. Think Peggy would ever run for office?
aero on June 4, 2007 at 10:25 PM
cs,
Your psychotic fixation on the destruction of Fred! cracks me up, but I couldn’t agree with you more on this. We’ve had no leadership out of the President’s office, now all we’re getting is juvenile name-calling.
The Ritz on June 4, 2007 at 10:26 PM
I dont think he exploited it in terms of a conspiracy… i think he took the support conservatives gave him because of 9/11 for granted and squandered it.
I believe she meant that as well.
VinceP1974 on June 4, 2007 at 10:26 PM
Exploited means what it means. If she meant that she should have said that. She is a pandere trying to regain favor.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Thanks,
I found it to sum up what most of are fealing right now and this guy has his facts to back up the argument.
Peggy Noonan said the same but was more diplomatic about it as she always is. She is no traitor thats for sure.
BTW-I live in Mexifornia too for what its worth.
ScottyDog on June 4, 2007 at 10:32 PM
Actually, she says that conservatives have given Bush the free hand he’s needed to deal with the post-9/11 realities. And he’s done well in some respects, but in many respects you have to question whether he shares conservative values. Even so, he’d gotten the benefit of the doubt until he and his administration decided to call his conservatives bigoted and stupid over this immigration bill.
Conservatives, unlike you, deal with reality and tell the truth.
cmay on June 4, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Conservatives…sit in the corner…until they dont’ agree with something. Then they cry like babies. Liberal always cry like babies.
He has done better than any candidate out there…time will reflect that. He is the right man at the right time.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 10:37 PM
That about sums it up
abinitioadinfinitum on June 4, 2007 at 10:38 PM
San Diego is run worse, if you can believe it. It’s one of the most corrupt and poorly run cities in the country. I lived there for about a year when I was in the Navy.
PRCalDude on June 4, 2007 at 10:45 PM
He knows what will happen when he is gone…I hope you realize it soon.
tomas on June 4, 2007 at 10:47 PM
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