Open thread: Democratic presidential debate; Update: Iraq slapfight video added; Update: English as official language video added; Update: “Assassinate Osama?” video added
posted at 6:37 pm on June 3, 2007 by Allahpundit
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CNN, 7 p.m. ET. What better way to end the week than with two — count ‘em, two — hours of one-upsmanship about who hates the Iraq war most?
Expect to see some grenades lobbed at Hillary, as her lead in the new WaPo poll is still double digits. Note in particular the results of question 35, where she’s killing Obama and Edwards in terms of perceived “strength,” experience, and crisis management. George Will has a column out today arguing that the next election is about competence more so than ideology; the results here seem to bear him out, at least on the Democratic side. Among Republicans, Rudy’s lead is steady thanks to his own reputation for “strength” and crisis management, but in this case competence may only go so far. Check out the trend in question 44. Oof.
Tonight’s wild-card issue: Hillary’s semi-flip-flop on gay marriage. While you wait for kickoff, enjoy this YouTube interview with the silkiest pony in the field. No need to sit through all of it; you’re looking for the “shotgun round” that begins with around 1:10 left to go. Silky sure does have some interesting ideas about what’s in the Constitution and what isn’t.
Update: Hot Air alumnus Ian Schwartz has the video of Greasy Joe sneering that Bush has emboldened the enemy.
Update: Here’s one for the next edition of the boss’s book about unhinged liberals: Eric Alterman was arrested for allegedly refusing to leave the debate spin room.
Update: Obama’s getting good buzz tonight for his whining about how “divisive” it is to debate whether English should be the official language. For the record, Gravel was alone among the candidates in thinking it should be.
Update: Here’s the last of the three buzzworthy clips. Trust Wolf Blitzer to ask Kucinich a question about Osama Bin Laden and not press him as to whether he thinks Osama was, in fact, responsible for 9/11. Sounds like Kucinich thinks he is now — but note what he says about trying anyone who’s violated international law in a tribunal. I wonder who he has in mind.
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Did they deliberately shoot him in blue screen so we can put whatever goofy thing in the background we want, for those so video talently inclined? (calling Cynthia, famous for video fisking Sean Penn)
CrimsonFisted on June 3, 2007 at 6:45 PM
Since I have a right to the Internet, I demand that any future Edwards administration pay my Verizon bill. FiOS doesn’t grow on trees.
dostrick on June 3, 2007 at 6:46 PM
“I’d actually travel the world meet with leaders…speak with the people of the world.”
good lord. Effing clueless.
wryteacher on June 3, 2007 at 6:47 PM
hardest decision?
which side to part his hair on.
wryteacher on June 3, 2007 at 6:48 PM
Now, can I maintain umpteen different threads?
Nice dig on the video.
steveegg on June 3, 2007 at 6:48 PM
Lets see how many times GW is brought up. This will be the exit to any hard question if there are any.
flyboy777 on June 3, 2007 at 6:50 PM
there’s a debate, tonight?
Opinionnation on June 3, 2007 at 6:53 PM
You don’t really expect any hard questions, do y’all?
SouthernGent on June 3, 2007 at 6:54 PM
Sen. Edwards, Bob Schieffer.
What kind of creme rinse do you use?
benrand on June 3, 2007 at 6:59 PM
Top 5 Questions you’d like to ask
1. What do you really think of Republicans?
2. What percentage do you think is an acceptable tax rate for middle/upper class?
3. Where can you see American troops being sent to and why?
4. What makes global terrorism fake but global warming real?
5. Who’s the most masculine and who’s hte most feminine presidential candidate?
Defector01 on June 3, 2007 at 7:04 PM
They will not be asking “What do you hate most about America?” That would take all night.
roninacreage on June 3, 2007 at 7:04 PM
Question for the “men”. Do you still squat when you piss”?
roninacreage on June 3, 2007 at 7:06 PM
Edwards blows it first words out of his mouth: “I’m JOhn Edwards” like he’s some rock star..
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:07 PM
Hillary disagrees with Obama – “we are safer now than on 9/11″… you go girl
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:07 PM
Right and Privilege’s and the Constitution are just blurred visions of Edwards’ America. The shotgun questions seemed to have caught silky off guard, ya think? The hardest decision would have be to ordering either the single with cheese or the double with cheese.
Kini on June 3, 2007 at 7:08 PM
Biden’s a tool
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:09 PM
but i just can’t stand hillary’s voice
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:11 PM
Wow, he came awfully close to honestly when he said nobody knows what happens next in Iraq if we pull out. Nah, just kidding. He knows he can’t give any other answer because the fantasy would show through.
Speak to the people of the world? Hmm, that’s not in the job description.
His worst fault is taking to long to make a decision, but the rest of the answer indicates he doesn’t think it’s a fault.
Wow, a perfect score on that lightning round. He missed every one of them. Thanks YouTube, this clip can help end Edwards’ chances.
Citizenship becomes a right after 5 years of squatting under President Edwards, but you can only own a handgun if he says you can. Yep, a real strict constructionist.
Freelancer on June 3, 2007 at 7:12 PM
i. can’t. take. anymore.
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:12 PM
The Republican nominee will have to run against the Bush record. It might be possible if he can link the Democrats with Bush on immigration.
I can dream can’t I?
Coyote D. on June 3, 2007 at 7:14 PM
PIMF
Freelancer on June 3, 2007 at 7:14 PM
Hillary voted for the war and now says it’s Bushs war. Pathetic.
roninacreage on June 3, 2007 at 7:15 PM
America is not at war, George Bush is at war. What vote are you talking about?
/Hillary
Pablo on June 3, 2007 at 7:16 PM
it’s out of the closet now. Hillary: “It’s George Bush’s war.”
um, didn’t she vote for it? didn’t she support it until obama became a perceived threat?
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:16 PM
What a divided party…..
flyboy777 on June 3, 2007 at 7:16 PM
Obama just smacked down Edwards…paraphrase:
“I’m all for leadership – but John, I voted against this war from the beginning, so I think you are about four and a half years late for leadership on this one.”
nailinmyeye on June 3, 2007 at 7:16 PM
dodd looks & sound like a loose-brained newt gingrich
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:17 PM
That’s because Dodd has on his mind spanking unwilling cocktail waitresses while splayed out in a chair with Teddy grinding said waitress into bits with his genitals.
I mean, who can blame him?
benrand on June 3, 2007 at 7:20 PM
Why isn’t rock star Obama at the MTV awards? He needs to get his priorities straight!
SouthernGent on June 3, 2007 at 7:21 PM
Has Barry Obama mimed smoking a doobie to the camera yet, maybe groove to some Sam and Dave or Peter Paul and Mary.
Why can’t these goddamn 60’s era hippies leave us alone.
benrand on June 3, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Hillary: “If Bush had allowed the inspectors to finish their job, we wouldn’t have sent the troops (even though I voted to send in the troops).” What is she talking about?
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Edwards should have come back at Obama with a line about it being easy to be against the war when you are a state legislator. Then add something about the minor/major leagues.
rw on June 3, 2007 at 7:28 PM
Grevel: “We have killed more Americans than were killed on September 11th.”
nailinmyeye on June 3, 2007 at 7:28 PM
These people are all like breast implants…
Fake and symbols of mental problems.
benrand on June 3, 2007 at 7:31 PM
These guys are really good at not answering the question.
nailinmyeye on June 3, 2007 at 7:33 PM
Biden- I voted for the fence but I don’t think its necessary???? stating also this is all that was offered up…please.
flyboy777 on June 3, 2007 at 7:34 PM
“What kind of creme rinse I use is not important right now, in a few days when I get my hayuh done, it weeil be, but what’s impoetant is the American People who don’t have access, access to drugs, to sex, to health care for syphillis and other STDs and hair care products. I am for a 15 dolla credit for Paul Mitchell products every half a year for every man, woman and chile.”
“Thank you”
benrand on June 3, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Wow! Only one raised hand to “should English be the official language of the US?” It was Gravel. THIS IS NEWS!
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:36 PM
“I voted for a fence, but we just don’t have enough people to make all the little wire clips that hold the thing together, so I think we just need to wait and see if we can build the damn thing”
“Thank you.”
benrand on June 3, 2007 at 7:36 PM
Huge news!
flyboy777 on June 3, 2007 at 7:37 PM
AP! Michelle! Somebody let the rest of the country know that the dems (except for Gravel) do not wish to preserve English as the official language, even though the majority of our citizens do! Please do something!
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Who gives a crap, the media won’t do anything.
benrand on June 3, 2007 at 7:40 PM
Edwards is fading fast. Evidence that even Democrats know what a douche is.
Jaibones on June 3, 2007 at 7:41 PM
that’s going to leave a mark
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on June 3, 2007 at 7:41 PM
BORING. The prospect that any of these people might be our next president is just too terrible to imagine. To help me imagine it I put on a DVD with an episode of The Office and watched how Michael Scott managed the Scranton office of Dunder-Mifflin. However, even Michael Scott isn’t as terrible as these people.
swampleg on June 3, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Is it me or is Edwards talking about Obama quite a bit. Is this another VP attempt on his part?
bryantms on June 3, 2007 at 7:45 PM
From open borders to universal health care. Hillary is scarred from the 94 fight. She looks it.
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Krazy Kucinich and Big Mouth Biden, there’s the dream dem ticket.
aqvik on June 3, 2007 at 7:47 PM
blah, blah, blah, more money, blah, blah, blah….
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Its like listening to children talk. Which one has the biggest mouth will win I guess
William Amos on June 3, 2007 at 7:50 PM
Hillary laughs like a magpie
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 7:54 PM
Kucinich/Sheehan Oceana in 1984 !
William Amos on June 3, 2007 at 7:55 PM
Vote Fred Thompson!
msipes on June 3, 2007 at 7:56 PM
that hillary cackle is too much for me.
Are the Red Sox/Yanks on yet? sigh.
rslancer14 on June 3, 2007 at 7:56 PM
more taxes
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 7:59 PM
Dodd – lower gas prices by giving consumers all money above 40/barrel back to them……..Huhhh
flyboy777 on June 3, 2007 at 8:00 PM
Ohhhhhhh…that laugh of hers is scarey….
commonsensehoosier on June 3, 2007 at 8:01 PM
was Candy Crowley in Star Wars?
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:06 PM
Kini.
like I said before You are all about eating. LOL
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Well, at least the questions are more substantial than the last Dem debate. No more “If you were a tree, which one would you be?”
Is it just me, or do they all seem to be running for President against Bush instead of running for the nomination of the democrat party? They are agreeing on way too much stuff, and for the most part are being nice to each other.
IrishEi on June 3, 2007 at 8:14 PM
I’d cut the relic Murtha
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:14 PM
That backdrop looks like Wolf Blitzer had a bad acid trip.
infidel4life on June 3, 2007 at 8:14 PM
war and the military really trips these guys up, huh?
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:15 PM
this reminds me of a disturbing little quip:
“we’re from the government and we’re here to help you”
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Seems to me Obama stumbles through his responses and the hand thing.
flyboy777 on June 3, 2007 at 8:18 PM
Obama didn’t blame the V.A. mess on Bush. I’m shocked!
infidel4life on June 3, 2007 at 8:18 PM
Richardson is the best of all of them, too bad he will only be VP material…
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:19 PM
Obama is looking and Ithink learning
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:19 PM
It’s like politics and breathing, can’t live without either. ☺
BTW, I like the Mysteries of the Universe. Unfortunately, the mystery of liberal democrats continues to confound me.
Kini on June 3, 2007 at 8:19 PM
bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Me as well
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:22 PM
Talk to Iran? yeah OK
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:22 PM
me talking to Iran:
Hello, Iran?
Hey, if you don’t stop that nuclear sh**t we’re going to bomb you into the pre-stone ages
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Edwards want to give Iran nuclear technology but wants to monitor it. give me a break
flyboy777 on June 3, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Edwards has been smoking his hair.
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:27 PM
take a poll, see if the public wants to get Osama
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:29 PM
or smoking Kusinich’s hair
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:30 PM
Wow, they actually asked him the barn burner question of “What happens if the US pulls out?” Silky, true to his name, played the “I don’t think anyone knows” card. Well, that is true, nobody knows what will happen, but virtually every expert on Iraq has a pretty good idea of what will probably happen. Silky indeed.
Seixon on June 3, 2007 at 8:30 PM
Kucinich you f*cking wimp.
infidel4life on June 3, 2007 at 8:30 PM
Take Osama out when you have the chance? Like the chance the Her husband had.
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:32 PM
It’s nights like this I bought the complete DVD set of Hogan’s Hereos, the first season.
Jolly Jokers!!!
freebird on June 3, 2007 at 8:33 PM
Hereos = Heroes
Damn!
freebird on June 3, 2007 at 8:33 PM
This is a Joke!
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:34 PM
I love governing by hand-raising (like kindergarten)
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:34 PM
Hillary speaks for everyone!!! She’s the queen.
“We’re not gonna answer hypotheticals!”
IrishEi on June 3, 2007 at 8:35 PM
I do like Hogan’s Hereos though.
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Biden says if China doesn’t do what we want, we should boycott the Olympics. Worked great for Carter
Valiant on June 3, 2007 at 8:36 PM
Maybe we could get Edwards to sue Darfur
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:37 PM
And speaking of hypotheticals….
Each of the Republicans answered the hypothetical regarding what they would do if America suffered a nuclear attack. The answers varied, but at least THEY ANSWERED.
IrishEi on June 3, 2007 at 8:37 PM
“We lack the moral authority…”
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!
IrishEi on June 3, 2007 at 8:39 PM
What’s all the conferencing going on onstage and the whispering between candidates? What the heck is going on here?
IrishEi on June 3, 2007 at 8:41 PM
God help America if any of these “Democrats” are elected President. Maybe that is too harsh on Richardson, but it is too soft on all the others.
Phil Byler on June 3, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Finally, a Dem definition of “rich”
Obama 250k +
Edwards 200K +
Valiant on June 3, 2007 at 8:47 PM
What happened to Mrs. Clinton’s Southern accent?
Our enemies must love to see idiots like this working to run this country. Iraq becomes more difficult to win with these traitors shooting their mouths off in order to promote themselves.
Hening on June 3, 2007 at 8:47 PM
Remember those quotes, Allah. The Democrats say, “This is the Democrats war”, not Bush’s. It’s good to know.
amerpundit on June 3, 2007 at 8:51 PM
Wow Who is this democratic version of Ron Paul?
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:55 PM
Edwards want to vacation as soon as he becomes President.
abinitioadinfinitum on June 3, 2007 at 8:57 PM
Bring on the Department of Peace, Dennis
BobH on June 3, 2007 at 8:59 PM
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