Comments on: NRO/WSJ immigration slapfight: Who punked out first? http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/ The world’s first, full-service conservative Internet broadcast network Mon, 28 May 2012 00:40:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Awwwwww! » Freedom Folks http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-442475 Awwwwww! » Freedom Folks Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:31:41 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-442475 [...] Interesting update: Allah makes an excellent catch of some hinky ‘post-editing’ going on over at the Paper Of (HAH!) Record. [...] [...] Interesting update: Allah makes an excellent catch of some hinky ‘post-editing’ going on over at the Paper Of (HAH!) Record. [...]

]]> By: SpartRan http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-442410 SpartRan Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:44:11 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-442410 To put it another way, "The Party Left Me!" To put it another way, “The Party Left Me!”

]]> By: SpartRan http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-442408 SpartRan Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:42:13 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-442408 As interesting and entertaining as I think such a debate between NR and WSJ might be, I suspect that the results will not lead to a sea change on this issue. Both parties want an open door policy at the borders to foster votes for their candidates on Election Day (by aliens who are not authorized to vote, but whom will find their way to the polls, where they still won't be required to produce evidence of citizenship). Bush's phony position on U.S. Border policy, combined with the declining rate of financial contributions to the RNC, and the continued decline in Congress' voter popularity - is all the evidence anyone needs to put 2+2 together. As interesting and entertaining as I think such a debate between NR and WSJ might be, I suspect that the results will not lead to a sea change on this issue. Both parties want an open door policy at the borders to foster votes for their candidates on Election Day (by aliens who are not authorized to vote, but whom will find their way to the polls, where they still won’t be required to produce evidence of citizenship). Bush’s phony position on U.S. Border policy, combined with the declining rate of financial contributions to the RNC, and the continued decline in Congress’ voter popularity – is all the evidence anyone needs to put 2+2 together.

]]> By: INC http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441709 INC Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:47:06 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441709 Curiouser and curiouser... Noticing a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/washington/03immig.html?hp" rel="nofollow">link</a> at Real Clear Politics to this same NYT story, I clicked on it out of idle curiosity. The paragraph now reads thusly: <blockquote>Reflecting the division between the business wing, Congressional moderates and the rest of the party, the editorial board of National Review, which opposes the legislation, has issued a debate challenge to The Journal’s business-minded editorial board, which is more supportive. (The Journal editorial page editor, Paul Gigot, dismissed the challenge, saying National Review writers had not accepted offers to appear on The Journal’s program on Fox to discuss the matter.)</blockquote> <em>Congressional moderates</em>, added in the first revision is still there. The magically disappearing parentheses is back in again. Revisionist news stories a specialty of the NYT. Curiouser and curiouser…

Noticing a link at Real Clear Politics to this same NYT story, I clicked on it out of idle curiosity. The paragraph now reads thusly:

Reflecting the division between the business wing, Congressional moderates and the rest of the party, the editorial board of National Review, which opposes the legislation, has issued a debate challenge to The Journal’s business-minded editorial board, which is more supportive. (The Journal editorial page editor, Paul Gigot, dismissed the challenge, saying National Review writers had not accepted offers to appear on The Journal’s program on Fox to discuss the matter.)

Congressional moderates, added in the first revision is still there.

The magically disappearing parentheses is back in again.

Revisionist news stories a specialty of the NYT.

]]> By: Nonfactor http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441516 Nonfactor Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:33:17 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441516 Watching the WSJ and NRO fight is like... I'm sure there's a good simile to use here, but I just can't figure it out. Watching the WSJ and NRO fight is like… I’m sure there’s a good simile to use here, but I just can’t figure it out.

]]> By: Lehosh http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441348 Lehosh Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:06:28 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441348 I think it's kinda funny that almost since the beginning of this kerfluffle the Prez candidates (except, of course, McCain) have ghosted out. Almost as if they smell political death on this bill and don't want to be seen in the same room with it. I think it’s kinda funny that almost since the beginning of this kerfluffle the Prez candidates (except, of course, McCain) have ghosted out. Almost as if they smell political death on this bill and don’t want to be seen in the same room with it.

]]> By: INC http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441149 INC Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:20:58 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441149 I didn't realize you'd started a thread on this after I asked my question earlier tonight. I doubt if it was NRO. I've been following this in the Corner to find out what was going to happen. They had an editorial up yesterday: <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTg3NzcxNmNmMzM3ZDM2ZDk5NDZlNmQ1M2MxOTQ3M2I=" rel="nofollow">The Sound of Silence</a>: <blockquote>Again, what we’re proposing is a Firing Line-style debate, two or three of us versus two or three of them in a public forum in Washington where both sides get to engage on the substance in an extended fashion. This would be a more substantive exchange than you can get on radio or TV.</blockquote> My guess is that Gigot saw it, wanted to backtrack and asked the NYT to remove it. You can find a reference to it if you Google this: <em>Bush’s Push on Immigration Tests Base Paul Gigot</em> you will get Gigot's name and a portion of the missing phrase: Bush’s Push on Immigration Tests His Base - New York Times Bush’s Push on Immigration Tests His Base … (The Journal editorial page editor, Paul Gigot, dismissed the challenge, saying National Review writers had … www.nytimes.com/…/washington/03immig.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1180804757-suK1RlsWt5Cxr41JECVEZg - Jun 2, 2007 - Similar pages - Note this - Filter I didn’t realize you’d started a thread on this after I asked my question earlier tonight.

I doubt if it was NRO. I’ve been following this in the Corner to find out what was going to happen. They had an editorial up yesterday: The Sound of Silence:

Again, what we’re proposing is a Firing Line-style debate, two or three of us versus two or three of them in a public forum in Washington where both sides get to engage on the substance in an extended fashion. This would be a more substantive exchange than you can get on radio or TV.

My guess is that Gigot saw it, wanted to backtrack and asked the NYT to remove it.

You can find a reference to it if you Google this:
Bush’s Push on Immigration Tests Base Paul Gigot

you will get Gigot’s name and a portion of the missing phrase:

Bush’s Push on Immigration Tests His Base – New York Times
Bush’s Push on Immigration Tests His Base … (The Journal editorial page editor, Paul Gigot, dismissed the challenge, saying National Review writers had …
http://www.nytimes.com/…/washington/03immig.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1180804757-suK1RlsWt5Cxr41JECVEZg – Jun 2, 2007 – Similar pages – Note this – Filter

]]> By: Dusty http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441090 Dusty Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:14:24 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441090 <blockquote>[Valiant on June 2, 2007 at 8:38 PM]</blockquote> WSJ's offer was a 12 minute segment? That's not an offer, that's a farce. What a bunch of mommy boys.

[Valiant on June 2, 2007 at 8:38 PM]

WSJ’s offer was a 12 minute segment? That’s not an offer, that’s a farce. What a bunch of mommy boys.

]]> By: Dusty http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441081 Dusty Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:05:34 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441081 <blockquote>[Number 2 on June 2, 2007 at 8:11 PM]</blockquote> Derbyshire, maybe. After all, he once got his butt kicked by Bruce Lee. But Ramesh, Byron, Mark or JPod leaning on a chain link fence, cleaning their nails with a blade? Nah. Besides, no one wears a tie with a t-shirt unless invited on SNL. Love you guys, but it is funny.

[Number 2 on June 2, 2007 at 8:11 PM]

Derbyshire, maybe. After all, he once got his butt kicked by Bruce Lee. But Ramesh, Byron, Mark or JPod leaning on a chain link fence, cleaning their nails with a blade? Nah. Besides, no one wears a tie with a t-shirt unless invited on SNL.

Love you guys, but it is funny.

]]> By: Bad Candy http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441054 Bad Candy Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:37:51 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441054 I hope the NRO guys didn't puss out, that'll look real bad. If they refused because they thought the WSJ guys were gonna be shady, they need to say it up front. I hope the NRO guys didn’t puss out, that’ll look real bad. If they refused because they thought the WSJ guys were gonna be shady, they need to say it up front.

]]> By: infidel4life http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441049 infidel4life Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:33:35 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441049 <blockquote>They needed to meet at a semi-neutral place. Tim Burton on June 2, 2007 at 7:36 PM</blockquote> The O.K. Corral comes to mind.

They needed to meet at a semi-neutral place.

Tim Burton on June 2, 2007 at 7:36 PM

The O.K. Corral comes to mind.

]]> By: sonnyspats1 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441028 sonnyspats1 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:12:15 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441028 baldilocks on June 2, 2007 at 8:54 PM good one.... locks baldilocks on June 2, 2007 at 8:54 PM

good one…. locks

]]> By: baldilocks http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441009 baldilocks Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:54:51 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441009 <blockquote>Why does the thought of the editorial staff at the National Review flashing gang signs make me laugh so hard?</blockquote>Perhaps it's the mental image of the rather innocuous-looking bunch at NRO flashing these <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid207/p343e0d1ede669fd3860c72d659be00f5/eeb51dee.jpg" rel="nofollow">indications</a>. Perhaps a person more skilled with Photoshop could do something with that photo and, say, an image of Jonah Goldberg's face. Know anyone like that, AP? :-)

Why does the thought of the editorial staff at the National Review flashing gang signs make me laugh so hard?

Perhaps it’s the mental image of the rather innocuous-looking bunch at NRO flashing these indications.

Perhaps a person more skilled with Photoshop could do something with that photo and, say, an image of Jonah Goldberg’s face.

Know anyone like that, AP? :-)

]]> By: sonnyspats1 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-441002 sonnyspats1 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:43:31 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-441002 Oh man The Editors ain't nobody to mess wit. They be gettin all Garfukwalian on Gigot and his crew, man thats like callin them biotches. Yeah they'll be holdin court in the street with that firing line format. C'mon Gignot bring it on! *crickets* Oh man The Editors ain’t nobody to mess wit. They be gettin all Garfukwalian on Gigot and his crew, man thats like callin them biotches. Yeah they’ll be holdin court in the street with that firing line format. C’mon Gignot bring it on! *crickets*

]]> By: Valiant http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-440994 Valiant Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:38:19 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-440994 On Laura Ingraham's show, she said the debate was set up for the TV show and the NR guys failed to appear for the debate. It is all confusing. It was supposed to be a 12 minute segment- no doubt to be heavily edited in favor of the WSJ before airing. On Laura Ingraham’s show, she said the debate was set up for the TV show and the NR guys failed to appear for the debate. It is all confusing. It was supposed to be a 12 minute segment- no doubt to be heavily edited in favor of the WSJ before airing.

]]> By: Number 2 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-440974 Number 2 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:11:46 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-440974 Why does the thought of the editorial staff at the National Review flashing gang signs make me laugh so hard? All of a sudden I see Paul Gigot dressed up like a 'banger on The Shield. Why does the thought of the editorial staff at the National Review flashing gang signs make me laugh so hard? All of a sudden I see Paul Gigot dressed up like a ‘banger on The Shield.

]]> By: Zorro http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-440961 Zorro Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:01:05 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-440961 After watching that WSJ video here on Hot Air, I'm through with Paul Gigot too. After watching that WSJ video here on Hot Air, I’m through with Paul Gigot too.

]]> By: Tim Burton http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/comment-page-1/#comment-440937 Tim Burton Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:36:37 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/02/nrowsj-immigration-slapfight-who-punked-out-first/#comment-440937 They needed to meet at a semi-neutral place. Seems like it <a href="http://junkyardblog.net/archives/2007/06/wsj-ed-board-wi.php" rel="nofollow">the WSJ was trying to set up NRO.</a> They needed to meet at a semi-neutral place. Seems like it the WSJ was trying to set up NRO.

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