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Feds bust terror plot at JFK airport in NYC? Update: PDF of complaint added; Update: Suspect wanted Venezuelan visa to visit Iran

posted at 11:31 am on June 2, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Possibly with some inside help. I wonder how similar to last year’s UK airline plot it’ll turn out to be.

Stand by for updates.

Update: Not too similar. “Sources said the plot involved a plan to blow up a jet-fuel pipeline at JFK setting off a potential massive explosion.”

Update: More than an hour after the story broke, there’s nothing on the wires about it except at WNBC. Meanwhile, the plot thickens: “Sources said one suspect is thought to be a former parliament or government official in Guyana.”

Update: Fox News has picked it up now. They say the plotters were under surveillance for “some time” and that they weren’t close to acting.

Update: The AP’s on it now. Three are in custody, one’s still on the loose.

Update: ABC News has new details:

Authorities have taken into custody a former cargo worker at John F. Kennedy Airport in New York City who they say recruited an FBI informant to help blow up jet fuel tanks and pipelines at the airport, law enforcement officials told ABC News…

The former cargo worker, originally from Guyana, had been under surveillance and allegedly met with a radical group in Trinidad, sources say.

Additional arrests have been made in Trinidad, sources said.

No one’s said this is a jihadist plot (yet), and the locales here are probably a coincidence, but there is one notorious Al Qaeda operative at large with ties to both Guyana and Trinidad who’s allegedly been looking to hit the U.S. for a long time.

Update: Homegrown, says CBS. No known ties to Al Qaeda.

Update: WNBC has the names: Russell Defreitas, Abdul Nur, Kareem Ibrihim and Abdul Kadir. Your quote of the day, via CNN: “One suspect, a U.S. citizen who is a native of Guyana and who once worked at the airport, was described by a source as ‘a very angry Muslim extremist.’”

Update: What do you know — we have our first possible Shukrijumah connection.

FBI agents feared but never confirmed the three men accused of plotting to attack John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York were linked to one of the most wanted al Qaeda leaders, Adnan Shukrijumah, known to have operated out of Guyana and Trinidad.

Officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com that they heard repeated references to “Adnan” during the extensive wiretaps conducted on the suspects’ telephone conversations, including calls to Guyana and Trinidad…

A FBI spokesperson in Miami said the squad assigned to track Shukrijumah was aware of the case but that “no connection” to the wanted al Qaeda suspect was found in the JFK case.

Update: One of the Guyanese suspects is also an imam.

Update: Two of them were associated with the group Jamaat al-Muslimeen in Trinidad. Here’s the sort of “thinking” that went into this:

“Any time you hit Kennedy, it is the most hurtful thing to the United States. To hit John F. Kennedy, wow … they love John F. Kennedy like he’s the man … if you hit that, this whole country will be mourning. You can kill the man twice,” Defreitas said in another conversation, it said.

“Even the twin towers can’t touch it,” referring to the September 11 attacks in another comment that the law enforcement authorities said was recorded last month. “This can destroy the economy of America for some time.”

Update: Recorded conversations reveal whining about Israel’s war with Hezbollah last year, but the plot had apparently been in the works for two to three years.

Also, while the intent might have been there, the science was not:

The pipeline snakes more than 100 miles from Pennsylvania through New Jersey to JFK. Once they learned of the plot, authorities investigated at what points the pipeline could be accessed and found that even if those points were bombed, there would be little to no impact — and no ignition — and that the only way to wreak havoc at JFK would be to detonate bombs at the airport itself.

But, a source said, “They never let go of the idea,” and seemed determined to find a way to execute it regardless.

Update: The boss got a copy of the complaint in PDF form. Download it here.

Update: In paragraph 8, on page 8, Defreitas notes that Arab Muslims aren’t the only Muslims eager to get a taste of jihad. And lo and behold, there’s an AP story on the wires right now showing how gruesomely right he is. Meanwhile, on the top of page 10, Defreitas mentions a cell of “six or seven” people. Funny thing there too — the National Post leads today with a reminder that not all plots end with all the bad guys being arrested.

Update: Top of page 12 — the many “types” of jihad.

Update: Go figure:

Isha Kadir, the Guyanese suspect’s wife, said her husband flew from Guyana to Trinidad on Thursday. She said he was arrested Friday as he was boarding a flight from Trinidad to Venezuela, where he planned to pick up a travel visa to attend an Islamic religious conference in Iran.

Update: How big of a threat was this?

One law enforcement official played down Mr. Defreitas’s skills as a terrorist, calling him “a sad sack” and “not a Grade A terrorist.”

But he noted that his efforts to solicit the backing and blessing of Jamaat Al Muslimeen, which conducted a deadly attack on Trinidad’s Parliament during a failed coup attempt in 1990, could have had devastating consequences.


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Wait a second. I thought there was no war on terror!

CurtZHP on June 2, 2007 at 11:42 AM

Sounds like a ground attack at an airport rather than in-flight terror.

Exit question: since this happened in New York, will the MSM and the NY Times be able to ignore the work the administration has done to defeat these plots on our own soil, or will they just blame the President for creating an environment where the islamists are “compelled” to act in this manner against the Great Satan?

Mallard T. Drake on June 2, 2007 at 11:43 AM

Didn’t someone tell us recently that the “War on Terror” is just a bumper sticker slogan?

What ever happened to that F____t?

JayHaw Phrenzie on June 2, 2007 at 11:49 AM

Amazing lesson into the mind of jihad: fanaticism for religion, fanaticism for air travel.

sweetlipsbutterhoney on June 2, 2007 at 11:52 AM

The anti-war libs will say “See? THIS is how you fight terror, with good old fashioned police work!” Which ignores the fact that if we weren’t fighting the terrorists over *there*, we’d be busting up these terror plots here at home EVERY FREAKIN’ DAY and eventually one will succeed. Whether it’s a school attack like Beslan or a train attack like in Madrid (and London and Bombay and …) or another airline attack like 9/11 … which happened where again? Oh yeah, right here IN THE U.S.A.! Sooner or later one attack will get through. We can’t stop them all because anything you can think of is a potential target and they only have to get away with it ONE TIME to kill hundreds or maybe thousands. Bridges, dams, power stations, shopping malls, amusement parks, football stadiums, high schools, churches, high rise apartment buildings or office towers, airports, cruise liners, Amtrack, Greyhound, Sea World, Sesame Street, the Space Needle, Ceaser’s Palace Casino, the Clinton Library, whatever you care about is a potential target, whether you’re a lefty or a righty, they want us ALL dead! Wake up Libs!

Tony737 on June 2, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Hey, can I question the timing?

Heh…

Bad Candy on June 2, 2007 at 12:00 PM

What ever happened to that F____t?

F____t = Flaxen haired Democrat.

Dash on June 2, 2007 at 12:04 PM

Guyana?

As in South America?

see-dubya on June 2, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Not unheard of, I guess.

see-dubya on June 2, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Well, See-dub, according to the official Guyana website, thar be Muslims.

According to the Central Islamic Organization of Guyana (CIOG), there are about 125 masjids scattered throughout Guyana. Muslims form about 12% of the total population. Today in Guyana there are several active Islamic groups which include the Central Islamic Organization of Guyana (CIOG), the Hujjatul Ulamaa, the Muslim Youth Organization (MYO), the Guyana Islamic Trust (GIT), the Guyana Muslim Mission Limited (GMML), the Guyana United Sad’r Islamic Anjuman (GUSIA), the Tabligh Jammat, the Rose Hall Town Islamic Center, and the Salafi Group, among others. Two Islamic holidays are nationally recognized in Guyana: Eid-ul-Azha or Bakra Eid and Youman Nabi or Eid-Milad-Nabi. In mid-1998 Guyana became the 56th permanent member of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC). Guyana’s neighbour to the east, Suriname, with a Muslim population of 25%, is also an OIC member state.

Yay, internets!

Krydor on June 2, 2007 at 12:14 PM

COINTELPRO. Operation Northwoods.

New World Order. Zionists.

/Twoofer off

Good Lt on June 2, 2007 at 12:15 PM

Just saw on Fox, a boat load (literally) of a.q. / talib terrorists just sank in a river in Afghanistan! 60 dead! Question: Did it “sink” or did was it *sunk*?

Tony737 on June 2, 2007 at 12:17 PM

Yep, Krydor,and mean ones.

Since we’re data-dumping on the Jonestown Jihad, here’s a link to a large pdf file I’ll read later on.

see-dubya on June 2, 2007 at 12:17 PM

It’s not Mormons again, is it?

Tantor on June 2, 2007 at 12:18 PM

MSM will be reporting the group as bungling morons incapable of any meaningful threat in 3…2…1…

Buck Turgidson on June 2, 2007 at 12:35 PM

Mallard T. Drake on June 2, 2007 at 11:43 AM

They have 2 basic approaches these days:

1. They were just bubbling idiots and this was no real threat (although that tact my be tough in this case with one of them being a MOP and aother a airport worker)

2. We are causing this by being in Iraq. It’s our fault.

Stay tuned to see both tried by the MSM

TheBigOldDog on June 2, 2007 at 12:36 PM

I’ve actually found some footage of the Trinidad branch of Al-Qaeda’s fundraising meeting.

see-dubya on June 2, 2007 at 12:37 PM

The Terrorists met with JAM in Trinidad!

gatewaypundit on June 2, 2007 at 12:38 PM

It’s not Mormons again, is it?

Tantor on June 2, 2007 at 12:18 PM

Naw, probably Amish.

- The Cat

MirCat on June 2, 2007 at 12:40 PM

I hope they weren’t working on a kool-aid bomb.

Buck Turgidson on June 2, 2007 at 12:41 PM

Hey, can I question the timing?

Bad Candy on June 2, 2007 at 12:00 PM

Obviously, because Bush has been taking so much heat on the immigration ordeal that he needed to distract us.

Oh, no, the BDS, somebody saaaaaaaave meeeeee!

WisCon on June 2, 2007 at 12:58 PM

The suspects did not have any known ties to al Qaeda, the law enforcement source tells Hendin. He said the suspects appeared to be “homegrown” plotters, similar to the six suspects who were recently arrested for plotting an attack on New Jersey’s Fort Dix.

This stuff drives me nuts. Who cares if it isn’t directly tied to some goofball in a cave somewhere in Waziristan?

Krydor on June 2, 2007 at 1:01 PM

OK, let’s get past the facts and answer the real question: How is America to blame? What I really mean is how is Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/neocons to blame?

Tantor on June 2, 2007 at 1:03 PM

Abdul Nur, Kareem Ibrihim and Abdul Kadir.

Damn Christians! Rosie was right!

Good Lt on June 2, 2007 at 1:03 PM

“WNBC has the names: Russell Defreitas, Abdul Nur, Kareem Ibrihim and Abdul Kadir.”

Hmmmm. After examining these names, I just don’t see any connection, no theme, no identifying bond. They just must be disenfranchised youths rebelling against society.

Tantor on June 2, 2007 at 1:13 PM

So, there is a potential tie to AQ, but the tie is undetermined. That’s not quite the same thing as it being a homegrown plot with no ties to AQ. Little bit of interesting wordplay by law enforcement.

Krydor on June 2, 2007 at 1:25 PM

An imam? Call CAIR.

vcferlita on June 2, 2007 at 1:29 PM

Okay, an Imam allegedly attempting to engineer an enormous jet fuel explosion at an airport?

I hereby christen this the Frying Imams incident.

see-dubya on June 2, 2007 at 1:32 PM

Their lawyer will claim they were just researching the ability of fire to melt steel.

Buck Turgidson on June 2, 2007 at 1:36 PM

Krydor on June 2, 2007 at 1:01 PM

Not to worry, Krydor. Six or eight more of these they’ll be devising statements like “The suspects did not have any known ties to homegrown al Qaeda wannabes, the law enforcement source tells ABC. He said the suspects appeared to be “isolated garden patch” plotters, not at all similar to the plethora of homegrown plotters like the Kennedy Four.

Maybe OT: I slept in late this morning, and I may have missed it, but were Guyana and Trinidad really given statehood earlier this morning? If not, shouldn’t these homegrowners be blowing things up in their own countries and not the US?

Dusty on June 2, 2007 at 1:38 PM

Officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com that they heard repeated references to “Adnan” during the extensive wiretaps conducted on the suspects’ telephone conversations, including calls to Guyana and Trinidad…

Hmm.

amerpundit on June 2, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Let’s go out on a limb and guess they’re muslim.

Kevin M on June 2, 2007 at 1:41 PM

The biggest mistake of the war on terror to date is that if it isn’t al Qaeda it is no big deal. Smash them whenever, whomever they may be. I don’t care if they are an old white lady. They must be dealt in the harshest harshest terms.

tomas on June 2, 2007 at 1:44 PM

WisCon on June 2, 2007 at 12:58 PM

Did somebody misread my dripping sarcasm?

Bad Candy on June 2, 2007 at 1:47 PM

OK, let’s get past the facts and answer the real question: How is America to blame? What I really mean is how is Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/neocons to blame?

Well, in this case, they allowed these (or at least one of them) 3rd world idiots to come here & live without considering the impact on actual Americans….of course thats all the rage now though.

DwnSouthJukin on June 2, 2007 at 1:50 PM

CAIR press release warning against the Muslim backlash in 10…9…8…7…

KGB on June 2, 2007 at 1:51 PM

I question the timing!

Dean Barnett on June 2, 2007 at 1:52 PM

[see-dubya on June 2, 2007 at 12:37 PM]

Funny, but it looked more alot more like the CAIR outreach program.

Dusty on June 2, 2007 at 1:52 PM

Wait a second. I thought there was no war on terror!

CurtZHP on June 2, 2007 at 11:42 AM

Call it what you will, but from the London plot to Fort Dix to this it seems the whole “good, old-fashioned police work” part is pretty successful at fighting terrorism while the “starting wars and invading countries” part hasn’t quite proved as effective as we hoped, to put it diplomatically.

JaHerer22 on June 2, 2007 at 1:53 PM

I hereby christen this the Frying Imams incident.

… and if they are found guilty of this attempted terror attack the executioner for these poor misguide men then asks the judge, regular or extra crispy?

Zorro on June 2, 2007 at 1:57 PM

Hey, I wonder if they’re not included in the very large %age of Muslims in this country who don’t want to kill Americans.

sarahk on June 2, 2007 at 1:59 PM

I am shocked, shocked to hear Muslims are being blamed in a terror plot against America. Don’t you people know that Islam is a religion of peace? This whole crazy plot makes no sense anyway: fire and explosions on a pipeline? People, people, people, fire can not melt steel. Sheesh!

When you start fingering Muslims for terrorism, well, that’s just crazy talk. If there was an imam involved, this group of young Muslims was probably going to do something to make America a better plance. It’s silly to jump to conclusions about Muslims sneaking around a major airport. Didja ever thing that maybe they wanted to do something good in secret? Maybe they were gonna plant flowers on the airport grounds? Didja think of that? All they needed was lots of bags of fertilizer to nurture them and maybe some high-test fuel to drive there.

We must recognize that the biggest threat now is the backlash against the Muslim community.

Tantor on June 2, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Has Bush offered them Amnesty yet? (snark)

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on June 2, 2007 at 2:04 PM

I’m not an engineer, but something strikes me as odd about this. I’ve seen ruptured natural gas pipelines, with the only result being a huge flame upwards. Wouldn’t blowing up a pipeline give a similar result? Even in Iraq, they blow up gas and oil lines resulting in broken gas and oil lines, but no blazing fireball from one end to the other.

Krydor on June 2, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Krydor,

That might be why the authorities are saying that their planned attack was not technically feasible. I’m sure DailyKos will be quick out to point out that these guys were morons, and therefore no threat.

Seixon on June 2, 2007 at 2:20 PM

Action movie terrorists? T.V. terrorists? Oh, the possibilities!

Nonfactor on June 2, 2007 at 2:23 PM

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4785

Krydor on June 2, 2007 at 2:05 PM

fuel air bomb… check the link…

Romeo13 on June 2, 2007 at 2:25 PM

Trinidad? Oh no, it’s not Akon is it? I hear he needed a new gig after Michelle and Laura Ingraham got him fired from Verizon..:)

austinnelly on June 2, 2007 at 2:26 PM

Just saw this White House Press release Q&A making the rounds, Sniper One:

Q: Will this bill be providing amnesty to Guyanans and Trinidadans who are in the country, illegally trying to blow up the Kennedy Airport.

A: Contrary to the snark offered by the bigoted opposition, the Immigration Overhaul bill will not provide amnesty to individuals such as these. Z-visas, maybe, but they will still have to pay steep fines and all backtaxes as well as learn to civics and speak English.

Dusty on June 2, 2007 at 2:33 PM

JaH22, thanks for proving the point I made at 11:58. Almost word for word. You Libs are so predictable and so very blind.

Tony737 on June 2, 2007 at 2:35 PM

This seems a good time to remind everyone of my recently-issued directive, declaring that all waterboardings are to be conducted using pigs’ blood until further notice. This policy will remain in effect until I whimsically change my mind.

Kralizec on June 2, 2007 at 2:38 PM

No terror attacks in America since WTC?

Nope… nothing to see here but ‘random acts’ by ‘mentally unstable’ individuals with no ties to international terrorism.

Every terrorist act prevented is a defeat because the apologists immediately claim that terrorist would not have committed the crime and was ‘entrapped’.

Every successful terrorist attack is a defeat because the apologists claim it is a ‘response’ by powerless victims no matter how absurd those claims might be.

DANEgerus on June 2, 2007 at 2:39 PM

And beginning the countdown to “they were idiots and there was never any real danger” in five, four, three…

see-dubya on June 2, 2007 at 2:44 PM

How many times do Michael Moore, the left, and I have to tell you: THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT! THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT!

The countdown to the media painting them as just a bunch of low level criminal no bodies, almost victims, because they weren’t operational, just “talking”, and they could never hurt anyone. Wait for it… I haven’t read all the updates, so if it hasn’t already happened, it will.

By the way, once again, we see why profiling won’t help

WNBC has the names: Russell Defreitas, Abdul Nur, Kareem Ibrihim and Abdul Kadir.

How could we have known we had potential terrorists on our hands!? They might has well have been named John Thompson, or Tom Johnson. I mean, these guys blend right in, clearly.

RightWinged on June 2, 2007 at 2:50 PM

(that was heavy sarcasm in case anyone didn’t realize it)

RightWinged on June 2, 2007 at 2:50 PM

And now the ringleader says he wanted to hit JFK because “Americans love President Kennedy, it’d be as if we killed the man twice.” (paraphrasing)

Hear that Libs? They wanted to “assassinate” Jack Kennedy. Is that enough to rile you people up enough to wanna fight back???

Tony737 on June 2, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Tony737, you have teh funnay.

Unless what you meant was “fight back” against imperialism, racism, and ethnocentrism in America.

Lehosh on June 2, 2007 at 2:56 PM

to put it diplomatically.

JaHerer22 on June 2, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Short term vision.

For the macro picture, and in the long run, I find it very successful to have Iran almost encircled with so many American and other troups, for a looooong time. Iran finds it very uncomforting too. Russia is behaving like a fly in a beehive. Why do you think?

Saddam is with Allah, not. The Kurds are successfully happy. The rest of the Iraquis will either fight or succumb to whatever power they wussy to. I don’t think they wish to be ruled by Iran or Saudi Arabia/Syria. Afghanistan is fighting to sustain its emergence from the 3rd century into say, the 18th, or so. Having NATO btw. Afghanistan/Pakistan is also not bad. Also, not bad for the India/Pakistan nuclear conflicts of the not-so-distant past.

Sure, you could come back with: oil, U.N., invasions, negotiations, world-court, Guantanamo, human rights (better not start this one ’cause I’ll nail you lefties for not standing for any, other than yours, notwithstanding the fact that Nonfactor will jump in calling it a ‘red herring’), and ohter bla-blas. In the big picture no one cares, not even Hillary. She just won’t tell you so, at this time.

Entelechy on June 2, 2007 at 3:10 PM

Call it what you will, but from the London plot to Fort Dix to this it seems the whole “good, old-fashioned police work” part is pretty successful at fighting terrorism while the “starting wars and invading countries” part hasn’t quite proved as effective as we hoped, to put it diplomatically.

JaHerer22 on June 2, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Actually, I’m quite satisfied with the killing or the capture and interrogation of members of the government and terror groups in Afghanistan and Iraq. I’m pleased with the seizure of the archives of the former Iraqi government and whatever passed for archives among the Taliban. I imagine much of the information acquired has provided leads to networks of muslim terrorists and supporters and to specific plots. My own dissatisfaction with President Bush is that he’s gotten bogged down in Kabul and Baghdad, rather than moving on from Afghanistan and Iraq, to Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, and Pakistan.

As for Tony737’s remark,

You Libs are so predictable and so very blind.

I don’t grasp what’s liberal about JaHerer22’s crabbed approach to the security of the Americans’ liberal democracy. I think the usual complaint against JaHerer22 is that he seems to despise the American liberal democracy for the practical efforts of its citizens and officials to maintain and increase their security, liberty, and prosperity. He doesn’t seem liberal; partisans of liberal democracy seem entitled to regard him as unfriendly, resentful, and unreliable.

Kralizec on June 2, 2007 at 3:17 PM

They only have to succeed once, we have to succeed all the time. The threads on lgf have a lot of good information also. Don’t look for the libs to talk about it, they are busy helping the poor, opressed Palestinians.

LakeRuins on June 2, 2007 at 3:25 PM

Entelechy hit the nail on the head. Law enforcement alone is short term vision. What has to be understood is that this war–and yes, it is a war, has to be fought using a wide variety of tools. Is there a role for law enforcement? Most definitely–as this arrest most clearly demonstrates. Diplomacy is also a necessary tool as is covert intelligence, an effective information campaign in getting our message campaign (something which we have admittedly been very poor at doing), and also the use of forms of ’soft’ aid such as infrastructural improvements, medical and educational assistance, etc.

Military force is also a crucial component in this war. The problem is: Our society has become an incredibly squeamish and risk averse society. We want to remain safe and protected in our cocoons and believe that as long as we don’t poke the bear, the bear won’t attack. However, the bad guys here have made it quite clear what their goals are–it would be foolish to not take them at their word. While it is sad that over three thousand of our valiant men and women have paid the ultimate price to safeguard our freedom, you have to remember to take the dispassionate view: A little over three thousand fallen in a war and occupation that has gone on for over three years is really a very small number–especially when you remember that the British lost over 16,000 men in one day’s fighting at the Battle of the Somme. We are going to take casualties in this war–there are no two ways about it. There are only two rules to war: 1)People die; and 2)There’s nothing you can do to change rule number one. What we as a society have to decide is this: Is putting an end to Islamic radicalism and the preservation of our society worthy of the sacrifice of our men and women? To me, the answer is a definitive–Yes.

Matt Helm on June 2, 2007 at 3:30 PM

Hey, can I question the timing?

Heh…

Bad Candy on June 2, 2007 at 12:00 PM

That was my first thought also. Why bust them NOW, just as Bush is taking a nose dive in the polls on the National Security Immigration so called “bill”.
These Politicians are playing all of us for FOOLS!

abinitioadinfinitum on June 2, 2007 at 3:37 PM

WisCon on June 2, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Did somebody misread my dripping sarcasm?

Ha ha, not all, but someone might have misread mine. ;)

WisCon on June 2, 2007 at 3:40 PM

WisCon on June 2, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Did somebody misread my dripping sarcasm?

Bad Candy on June 2, 2007 at 1:47 PM

Mine is not sarcasm. sorry, they have been undercover with this group, for how long now?
This group was not at the point of executing their plan.
So tell me why now?

abinitioadinfinitum on June 2, 2007 at 3:50 PM

The MSM is already saying it is not a real terrorist plot because there is not link to AlQaeda.

Update at 1:54 p.m. ET: CBS News is reporting that the men don’t have any known ties to al-Qaeda.

Update at 2 p.m. ET: An unidentified official tells CNN the men are “al-Qaeda wannabes.” The FBI gave the network a wiretap transcript that included the following quote: Anytime you hit Kennedy, it is the most hurtful thing to the United States. … This whole country will be in mourning. It’s like you can kill the man twice.

Since AlQaeda membership is a requirement to be a terrorist, this must be some immature men wanting to play a prank.

Helloyawl on June 2, 2007 at 3:50 PM

It’s not Mormons again, is it?

Tantor on June 2, 2007 at 12:18 PM

It was planned by Fundamentalist Christians in response to Falwell’s death.

Tim Burton on June 2, 2007 at 3:56 PM

WisCon on June 2, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Did somebody misread my dripping sarcasm?

Bad Candy on June 2, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Mine is not sarcasm. sorry, they have been undercover with this group, for how long now?
This group was not at the point of executing their plan.
So tell me why now?

abinitioadinfinitum on June 2, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Well, then you are getting the BDS! First, I would wait until all the details are out before making any accusations about the timing. Then you have to ask, ‘why not now?’ Was there something to gain by watching this plot evolve and not doing anything? Let’s wait until we know more.

WisCon on June 2, 2007 at 4:02 PM

WisCon on June 2, 2007 at 4:02 PM

fair enough, I will wait, just like I’ve been waiting for our government to close the door on our border after 3000 Americans got killed, what was it 5, 6 years ago?
I am by no means a moonbat, in fact I have supported Bush all the way up till yesterday, but now I am taking another look.

abinitioadinfinitum on June 2, 2007 at 4:12 PM

Since AlQaeda membership is a requirement to be a terrorist, this must be some immature men wanting to play a prank.

Helloyawl on June 2, 2007 at 3:50 PM

From what you quoted it looks like people are just “reporting.” They aren’t saying they weren’t a threat, they’re simply reporting that the members had no ties to Al Qaeda.

Nonfactor on June 2, 2007 at 4:12 PM

And we all know you have to have ties to AQ before you are a real terrorist…that must really piss off the other terror groups.

EnochCain on June 2, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Ha ha, not all, but someone might have misread mine. ;)

WisCon on June 2, 2007 at 3:40 PM

Doh!

Bad Candy on June 2, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Mine is not sarcasm. sorry, they have been undercover with this group, for how long now?
This group was not at the point of executing their plan.
So tell me why now?

abinitioadinfinitum on June 2, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Fair question. It may be because of the latest update–one of them was applying for a Venezuelan visa to visit Iran. Didn’t want to let him slip away.

Ashcroft made a controversial decision to begin busting plots early instead of waiting until they were imminent and the charges were greater. He even took some heat a few times because there had been few prosecutions for terrorism, but several for lesser charges like “material support”. He figured it was better to disrupt plots–and maybe pick up new information in the process–than maximize the amount of time the plotters spend in jail.

That may be what happened here. I think it’s a good strategy and it’s kept us pretty safe. It’s one thing to let John Gotti go until you have an ironclad case that will put him away for ever, but you don’t want to let one of these guys wriggle away.

see-dubya on June 2, 2007 at 4:28 PM

abinitioadinfinitum on June 2, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Why not now?

Maybe it’s because there are other countries involved and we can’t control leaks out of place like Trinidad and Guyana (especially when one of them is a member of the government).

Maybe it’s because law enforcement in Trinidad decided to act now because they liked the phase of the moon.

Maybe they knew one or more was preparing to flee (one is on the loose).

Maybe they figured they have all the intel they were going to get.

Who knows and who cares.

TheBigOldDog on June 2, 2007 at 4:45 PM

Why does CAIR always yell at us about how mean we are to the Muslims when, surprises of surprises these crew, just like all the others since 9/11 are-Muslim. Well gang, as for developing a small case of BDS, I was pretty po’d with his little speech this week in GA. In fact our local paper commented today on why he was making his base mad when we’ve stuck with him through thick and thin. Anyway, I don’t care when they get these idiots as long as they do before they do their deeds.

Catie96706 on June 2, 2007 at 4:57 PM

From the update:

One law enforcement official played down Mr. Defreitas’s skills as a terrorist, calling him “a sad sack” and “not a Grade A terrorist.”

TIME!

Buck Turgidson on June 2, 2007 at 5:15 PM

White House Press Release:

“The gentlemen who were going to rupture the pipe line for jet fuel going to JFK Airport will be pardoned because they came in via the Mexican Border. The only people who will prosecuted are people coming in from Cuba because we do not want to upset Hugo Chavez.”

End of Press Release and back to reality.

StuLongIsland on June 2, 2007 at 5:29 PM

Guyana has a parlament...who knew! Now that’s one esteemed legislative body.

Buck Turgidson on June 2, 2007 at 5:33 PM

Tony737 on June 2, 2007 at 2:35 PM

I didn’t say there wasn’t a place for military force in the fight against terrorism, I said our current tactics of invading countries and implementing democracy are not proving effective; this seems pretty clear considering the quagmire in Iraq and the increase in al-Queda membership it has caused.

I’m not opposed to using the military to fight terrorists, if we find a terrorist training camp we should drop some bombs on it–it we find a terrorist leader we should kill or capture him. This would effective and reasonable–invading and occupying countries simply fans the flames of hatred that already exists and in the end cause more harm than good.

I acknowledge that there is a police and a military component to the fight against terrorism, I’m simply stating if you were to evaluate how the police aspect was going you would have to say it was very effective–no attacks since 9/11 and at least 3 plots broken up. On the other hand, if you had to evaluate the military aspect, you would have to admit it has not been nearly as effective as we had hoped.

JaHerer22 on June 2, 2007 at 5:40 PM

JaHerer22 on June 2, 2007 at 5:40 PM

d our current tactics of invading countries and implementing democracy are not proving effective;

Really? How many times have we been attacked since 9/11? How many people predicted we would go this long before being attacked again? How many terrorists have we killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

How affective was police work in stopping 9/11? How about Madrid? How about London?

TheBigOldDog on June 2, 2007 at 6:20 PM

The disclosure of information given by ABC News demonstrates the lackadaisical, juvenile approach from the law enforcment or airport security official quoted by ABC. I mean they all but encourage another terrorist attempt with this…. “-the only way to wreak havok at JFK would be to detonate bombs at the airport itself.” and then this inciteful (as opposed to insightful) pearl—- One law enforcement official played down Mr. Defreitas’s skills as a terrorist, calling him “a sad sack” and “not a Grade A terrorist.”
But he noted that his efforts to solicit the backing and blessing of Jamaat Al Muslimeen, which conducted a deadly attack on Trinidad’s Parliament during Whatever happened to ‘Descretion is the better part of Valor’ ? Buncha Bozo’s the lot of the MSM.

sonnyspats1 on June 2, 2007 at 6:28 PM

Talkleft commenter questions the timing:

Libby sentencing this week, time for a terror bust.

Yeah, that’s why they did it on a Saturday.

Jim Treacher on June 2, 2007 at 6:39 PM

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