Unfortunately bloggers (for the most part) aren’t a ‘plugged in’ part of party politics. How many are elected GOP reps at the bottom of the UNPAID local party? Virtually none. How many attend monthly local party meetings. None. How many actually go to their own state party conventions. Damned few.

How many are out there attempting to become part of the national party in their own state? I know of none.

Hence, I can bring a little light to the subject… the GOP is GROWING across the country because of the RINO’S in the party now – growing with enraged new members getting on board to fight the hoard of ‘moderates’ that have invaded the party. The GOP isn’t dead, or dying, by a long shot… and if you are really angry about what is going on, I advise you to get in your car, turn the ignition key and head for the nearest GOP local district meeting happening a few blocks or perhaps a few miles from you – and don’t stop going to those meetings, get off your duff and join the real battle.

Ron C – CA GOP

You really think all those illegal aliens are coming here to vote Republican? Apparently Karl Rove, the Master of the 2006 Disaster, does. Then explain why Ted “The Swimmer” Kennedy is smiling. The Senator from Chappaquiddick knows the illegal vote will eventually break 3 to 1 for the Dhimmicrats.

Expect to see Democrat majorities in both Houses of Congress and Democrat presidents as far as the eye can see if the shamnesty bill becomes law.

And it will. It’s already on the fast-track, being written even while being voted on in secret. They don’t want us to know what’s in it … or not in it.

Please explain your rude comment towards Independants, sir (or ma’am).

American_Jihadist on May 31, 2007 at 9:14 PM

It was not meant by any stretch to be an exhaustive list of the reasons that folks call themselves “Independent”. The previous commenter, that I was commenting on, gave one reason why there are so many Independents.

Party leadership in both parties are only interested in perpetuating power, not whats good for the people.

I was merely adding some more reasons why some people call themselves Independents.

For every American_Jihadist (I) there’s at least one Paris Hilton (I). Didn’t mean for that to be an indictment of every single (I) in America.

In the general, many GOP members like my family just don’t vote when the choice is him or a Democrat, it is that just most everyone who votes goes for the status quo….McCain.

They saw JD Hayworth get his clock cleaned in 2006 for being on the right side of the issue.

Kyl and McCain think they will ride the illegal immigrant vote to victory. They may be right in the short term, but will be dooming the country as it goes the way of California.

The legal immigrants I know (Mexican and others) are outraged at the bill.

Valiant on May 31, 2007 at 2:33 PM

He didn’t get his clock cleaned. He lost by less than 1%.

Also, his district was re-drawn and they brought many more Democrat voters (At least one full Indian reservation maybe two were placed in his district) and the GOP didn’t help him much with the added weight of a larger percentage of Democrat voters.

Finally, the guy he lost too, ran as being MUCH MUCH more conservative on immigration that JD. Heck, Mitchell implied that JD was working for illegal amnesty.

So your point is all screwy in the most basic, therefore you conclusion is wrong.

McCain was pro-Amnesty pre-06. Kyl ran as being anti-illegal and that he was going to finish the fence and enforce the law.

Fully 1/3 of the American Electorate defines themselves as independant… Why?

They want to sound nuanced and be pandered to. It’s an excuse for not having thought deeply about anything. A goodly portion of people are self-centered and vote their own short-term self-interests.

jdpaz on May 31, 2007 at 3:43 PM

I consider that quite an offensive statement. I was in the USN during the Clinton years of “do more with less” but still managed to find myself voting democrat a few times after some deep thought.

Please explain your rude comment towards Independants, sir (or ma’am).

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I don’t know Randy Pullen so for all I know he could be an abrasive sort, but he didn’t start this fight.

I met him before. He is very nice and has a reputation among Democrats and Republicans in AZ for being nice.

As someone in AZ, I left the GOP and I will take my family with me. I know the GOP in DC acts like I won’t, but I swear I will.

The GOP is digging it’s own grave and they are ignoring the tombstone in front of the hole.

doriangrey on May 31, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Point being that the Whigs who were loosing members and the electorate TRIED to keep the party going, and I will bet that they made the exact same types of arguements some are making here… we have to stay together because otherwise those other guys will win it all… all the time… only WE will represent your point of view… even though we are ticking you off on a MAJOR issue.

But hmm… amazingly, another group stepped into the power vacuum… and it was the Republican party.

Political parties are not either immortal, or omnipotent. When they loose track of what the base wants, in a major way, on a major issue, and are ALREADY on the loosing side of the election cycle, then maybe its time to replace the leadership.

There are two ways to do that, internally, or start over. Ahhh… but the system is rigged by profesional politicians and the money machine. They have NO interest in change… it will have to be forced.

Its appareant by the FACT that last election, many Repubs, and independants in the past who voted for them, stayed home, but the Oliagarchs who run the Repubs didn’t get the messege, because they are dis’n their base AGAIN.

Fool me once… shame on you… fool me twice… shame on me…

Entrenched incumbents feel impervious to the voters, if a handful of them start losing during their primaries, the others might get the clue.

Doh… History lesson time..

On the contrary no history lesson required. I am fully aware of whom the Whigs were and what happened to them. Perhaps you are the one requiring a history lesson.

when they were replaced by the Republican Party.

The Base of the Whig party defected to the Republican party, they were not replaced by the republican party.

I’m sure the Whig’s left at the end believed they could never be replaced either.

Would those be the ones that became the Republican Party, or the ones that quit the party?

Fact is, from where I’m sitting, the Governing boards of both parties are made up of fat cat profesional politicians.

You get no argument from me on that one.

May work short term…. but with the Repub major players splitting from the base… they are in trouble. Just as the Whig’s were in the 1850’s.

Again you mischaracterize what happened to the Whig Party, the disagreement in the Whig Party caused the majority of Elected Whig officials to quit politics all together, those that did remain suddenly found themselves with out an electorate. The situation in the Republican Party today isn’t that similar. It is slightly similar in that a noticeable percentage of the electorate are threatening to leave the party, but the party leadership isn’t throwing in the towel and quitting.

Our elected officials do so at the electorate’s discretion, not their own as quite a few discovered in 2006. Up until now members of the republican electorate have elected to display their displeasure for their incumbent officials by not bothering to show up and vote for them. Up until now members of the republican electorate have been disgusted with their incumbent officials, now we are getting down right pissed off at them.

When you are simply disgusted with your incumbent officials you either don’t bother to show up, or you leave the party. When you are really pissed off you vote the bastards out of office and vote in someone who will act on the will of their constitutes. It’s known as a bloodletting, it’s happened before and its going to happen again.

They saw JD Hayworth get his clock cleaned in 2006 for being on the right side of the issue.

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Valiant on May 31, 2007 at 2:33 PM

If I remember correctly JD Hayworth’s opponent was on the same side of the immigration issue as he was, so if they think that’s why he lost, they are badly misreading the results.

They should look at last year’s race for Duke Cunningham’s former seat – Brian Bilbray, a republican won that race even with a cloud hanging over the party due to Cunningham’s legal trouble. His opponent, Frances Busby, was basically in favor of amnesty, and that was the issue upon which the election turned in Bilbray’s favor.

Come to think of it, how many congress critters did win last year by running on a pro-amnesty platform? Anyone?

I think it’s important to remember that while the elites may have the money from lobbiest we, the base, still have the power with our votes! It is imperative that we turn out in droves in the primaries and expunge the Lindsey Graham’s, Mitch McConnel’s, and John McCain’s out of our party. Hopefully, we can get some true conservatives to run against them by pressuring our state parties!

SouthernGent on May 31, 2007 at 12:44 PM

Worth repeating, 1000x over.

we, the base, still have the power with our votes! It is imperative that we turn out in droves in the primaries and expunge the Lindsey Graham’s, Mitch McConnel’s, and John McCain’s out of our party.

we, the base, still have the power with our votes! It is imperative that we turn out in droves in the primaries and expunge the Lindsey Graham’s, Mitch McConnel’s, and John McCain’s out of our party.

we, the base, still have the power with our votes! It is imperative that we turn out in droves in the primaries and expunge the Lindsey Graham’s, Mitch McConnel’s, and John McCain’s out of our party.

we, the base, still have the power with our votes! It is imperative that we turn out in droves in the primaries and expunge the Lindsey Graham’s, Mitch McConnel’s, and John McCain’s out of our party.

(ok I’ll stop here, but you readers get the picture).