Politico: “The Fred has landed” — Thompson to jump in around July 4th; Update: Did Politico get it wrong?
posted at 9:24 am on May 30, 2007 by Allahpundit
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The Weekly Standard reported last night that he’d start “testing the waters” on June 4th by beginning to accept donations (and to steal some media thunder from the following day’s debate), but there was no word of when he might formally declare.
Fred Dalton Thompson is planning to enter the presidential race over the Fourth of July holiday, announcing that week that he has already raised several million dollars and is being backed by insiders from the past three Republican administrations, Thompson advisers told The Politico…
Thompson’s formal announcement is planned for Nashville. Organizers say the red pickup truck that was a hallmark of Thompson’s first Senate race will begin showing up in Iowa and New Hampshire as an emblem of what they consider his folksy, populist appeal…
Thompson urged the supporters to muster a major show of financial force in early July, just after the June 30 deadline for second-quarter financial reports to the Federal Election Commission.
I can live with the hokiness of the pick-up truck, I guess, but if he starts riding horses I’m out of here.
Exit question: Can any man live up to this much hype or will Fred! = Flop!?
Update: Are the social cons ready to rejoice?
“A lot of conservatives have been struggling here to figure out where to go with a candidate that can keep the coalition together,” a former presidential candidate who is now president of the nonprofit American Values, Gary Bauer, told me yesterday evening, referring to the GOP alliance among economic, defense, and social conservatives. “I think Fred Thompson has a fairly decent chance of emerging as the candidate that can do that.”
I had to ask him to clarify whether this was an endorsement. He said it wasn’t.
I then asked whether Mr. Romney might also fit the bill.
“Mitt Romney is trying to fill that space,” Mr. Bauer said. “But he continues to wrestle with concerns about how recently and how sincerely he has come to those [socially conservative] positions.”
Not so fast — a chill wind is already blowing from MSNBC…
On the issues, how is he any different than the front-runners? (A recent Washington Post story said his record was virtually identical to McCain’s.) And is he attracting GOPers’ attention because who he isn’t — rather than who he is? What, in short, makes him any different than Wes Clark was in 2003-4, sans the military medals?
Update: Jim Geraghty spoke to a Thompson advisor this morning and thinks Politico might have blown this one, which might be becoming a habit for them.
Just talked to a Thompson source I’ll call “TA3″ (Thompson Associate 3). Much more coming shortly, but the first word was, there will not be a presidential announcement from Fred Thompson on July 4.
(Shockingly, the Politico got it wrong again.)
TA3: “There will be no July 4 announcement… There was some discussion of a June 4 beginning of fundraising; that’s the date checks will be collected. I suspect that’s where there was some confusion.”
The only problem with Jim’s theory: other Thompson advisors corroborated Politico’s report, at least partly, with the AP:
The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the plans were not public, said Thompson is dicussing plans for a campaign swing through various early primary states in late June, and is considering several options for a formal announcement should he ultimately decide to enter the race. They said that one scenario under discussion, among others, would have him officially announce his candidacy over the July 4 holiday.
I guess with no formal organization yet it’s hard for the left hand to know what the right hand is doing.
Update: WaPo’s Chris Cillizza rates the winners and losers from Thompson’s announcement. No surprise that Mitt, the current conservative standard-bearer, takes the worst of it.
Update: Politico 1, Geraghty 0. WaPo’s got its own article about the Thompson announcement out now and they appear to have independently confirmed the leanings towards a July 4th announcement with Fred’s advisors.
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It really depends on how much money is generated by his initial burst of fundraising. Seems to me he’s either taking one heck of a gamble, or they’ve determined that there is a lot of un-donated money out there.
Slublog on May 30, 2007 at 9:29 AM
I know there’s reasons for it, but, come on, if you are going to announce, just do it -
msflea on May 30, 2007 at 9:31 AM
Hype? If he’s strong on the GWoT, likes low taxes and freedom of speech, knows that the founders didn’t put the Second Amendment second just to facilitate hunting varmints, thinks judges ought to do the job of judges and not legislators, is tough on illegal immigration (and anything else illegal, for that matter), and throws in a little humility in the face of nascent life for good measure, he doesn’t need hype.
We’re not awaiting the First Coming of Fred! ’cause we love the game and we’re lonely since Sanjaya got voted off. We just want a few simple things our Constitution promises us done well– or even well enough.
a4g on May 30, 2007 at 9:33 AM
I think this leak is a signal for all of those conservatives who have expressed interest in his campaign to get their checkbooks ready. If he wants to raise a lot of money in a short time, he’s going to need a pretty solid blast of support.
Slublog on May 30, 2007 at 9:35 AM
I’m pretty neutral about Fred. He’s got to convince me he’s a good candidate before I give him any loot.
Dash on May 30, 2007 at 9:40 AM
All I know is that if Fred F. Thompson doesn’t win in 2008, the electronic voting machines were obviously rigged, the ballot was too confusing, the chads didn’t punch out properly, his opponent played on our fears, and 60 Minutes likely ran a hit piece with incriminating documents.
In any case I’ll slap a “Not MY President!” sticker on my car, hassle my Senator to begin impeachment hearings against whomever is “selected,” draw up some Nazi posters, write a book about assassinating the president, film the book, burn some effigies, set fire to cars, and so on.
saint kansas on May 30, 2007 at 9:42 AM
That’s weird, that’s exactly what I was planning to do if Rudy doesn’t win.
JayHaw Phrenzie on May 30, 2007 at 9:45 AM
Okay, but will he oppose the current immigration bill in any way? And will it matter because Bushennedy will sink the nation before the next election?
doufree on May 30, 2007 at 9:48 AM
The real deal is hype? What you been smoking?
tarpon on May 30, 2007 at 9:49 AM
Contracts on Fred! have jumped on Intrade, now placing him ahead of McCain and tied with Romney.
Dave Shay on May 30, 2007 at 9:55 AM
I’m a Fred fan, but if I get a whiff that he supports this dog of a bill, I’m gone.
As far as I’m concerned, there is no election in 2008 if this bill passes.
(Hey, CS, you see? I’m not a fanatic, without reason. ;)
tickleddragon on May 30, 2007 at 9:55 AM
All he has to do to win is act like an adult. The rest of the field will pale in comparison.
HerrMorgenholz on May 30, 2007 at 9:56 AM
Don’t forget the fasting and the Chavez visits.
I’m just not prepared to get hyped about Fred yet. I seem to remember a similar hype when a 55-year-old Texan was announcing his candidacy in ‘00.
amerpundit on May 30, 2007 at 9:56 AM
Fred! just may be the first political candidate to whom I’ve ever made a campaign contribution.
flipflop on May 30, 2007 at 9:56 AM
I’ll send him a check and I haven’t done that since 2000.
Fred! has played this perfectly. Rudy and McCain’s flaws are well known and have been exposed in the early debates (for all 12 people that watched). Mitt is too blow dried and pressed for comfort and plus he has the disadvantage of having his horn blown incessantly by Hugh “Solid B+” Hewitt, which ought to cost him votes right there just through sheer irritation.
Fred! looks the part and that’s important (as Reagan said) and especially so since George W. has been such a miserable failure at using the Bully Pulpit after some initial success in the aftermath of 9/11. Plus, he’s right on the issues; more so than anyone else in this field.
Fred on May 30, 2007 at 9:57 AM
Great question. Who knows?
Another question: why is Fred doing so poorly in polls against Dem possibles? He seems to be a novelty of the right. Does anyone else know who he is?
Jaibones on May 30, 2007 at 9:58 AM
Seems to me he’s the last, best hope for the GOP. And I think he knows it.
wccawa on May 30, 2007 at 10:00 AM
I personally cannot wait to see his responses to the inevitable hit pieces by the MSM. He took Moore down in 30 seconds IMHO, plus Fred! knows how to work the net .
bbz123 on May 30, 2007 at 10:05 AM
I personaly will support and vote for him. But whether you are for or against him, hang on to your butt, the election landscape is about shift, severely.
P. James Moriarty on May 30, 2007 at 10:05 AM
I think, Republicans are waiting for the next Great Communicator.
This may be as close as it gets.
franksalterego on May 30, 2007 at 10:06 AM
csdeven to interject that Fred is not a candidate in 3..2..1..
doriangrey on May 30, 2007 at 10:07 AM
He’s only known of online and by activists and the politically active, hasn’t been actively campaigning either. That’s the answer. As to whether he’ll fail. We’ll see, its impossible to know at this stage.
He has to know he’s got the right-o-sphere, and I think he’s hoping to tap into that.
On a side note, is this headlines thing a new feature, or is the Channel on break? I kinda like the headlines, its useful. Did I miss a memo?
Bad Candy on May 30, 2007 at 10:09 AM
To those of you who ask how he stands on the amnesty bill obviously haven’t been listening to his podcasts on ABC radio’s website. He has said this bill should be killed and all discussion of an immigration bill should stop until we secure our borders! He is absolutely opposed to amnesty, understands that the war on terror is not a war on terror but a war against islamofacists, sees the danger in Hugo Chavez, despises the “fairness doctrine”, etc… He has given plenty of interviews and has stated his views very clearly, just go and look for yourselves.
NeverSubmit on May 30, 2007 at 10:11 AM
NeverSubmit on May 30, 2007 at 10:11 AM
hmm, don’t know how to post a link obviously
http://www.abcradio.com/Blog.asp?id=15663&m=5&y=2007
NeverSubmit on May 30, 2007 at 10:12 AM
My last comment failed to post. Just checking.
MaiDee on May 30, 2007 at 10:17 AM
I think its less about a Great Communicator and more about, holy sh!t, our movement is on the verge of being destroyed, we need to send a movement guy who will crack some RINO skulls and get things back in order. Which we need right now, because the GOP elite are desperately trying to undermine us. They hate us.
Bad Candy on May 30, 2007 at 10:18 AM
MSNBC’s War Room is geared up, isn’t it?
They always seem to have the same slant, though.
Slublog on May 30, 2007 at 10:21 AM
“Actors/Entertainers” = Egomaniacs
The Hollywood Formula: Build up hype for months and then announce that an announcement is eminent – on the 4th of July no less. Plays like a movie trailer for a summer blockbuster with the premiere on 7/4/07.
I’m not impressed. Aren’t most summer blockbusters just bad movies (flops?) released just for the summer-movie-going-sheeples?
Brat on May 30, 2007 at 10:22 AM
Fred has a wonderful podcast here
Badcandy, the headlines are indeed a nifty new feature.
RushBaby on May 30, 2007 at 10:23 AM
moonsbreath on May 30, 2007 at 10:30 AM
Youtube
moonsbreath on May 30, 2007 at 10:31 AM
I never get the link.
Youtube has links about Fred’s position on illegal’s.
moonsbreath on May 30, 2007 at 10:32 AM
People are getting filterpwn3d! left and right today…heh.
Bad Candy on May 30, 2007 at 10:32 AM
Would you expect anything different? After all, Fred is a Republican.
BacaDog on May 30, 2007 at 10:33 AM
I don’t think they hate us. I think that on the whole, politicians are very similar to celebrities – after a while they become disconnected. They have too many people around them blowing smoke up their butts and telling them they’re the greatest. The whole Washington DC enterprise becomes less about doing what’s best for the country, and more about making deals and playing the game. I don’t think pols from either party are immune to this.
What Fred has going for him (which Reagan also did) is the great sense that he “gets it”. That for all his Washington and Hollywood experience, he still connects with what motivates those of us who don’t move in those circles, and understands what’s important to us. He also understands that we don’t just want a CEO in the White House, we want a leader. We want someone who can articulate the concerns of the day and motivate us to engage with them.
As much slack as I’m inclined to cut Bush (because he basically had the biggest challenge of a generation dropped into his lap less than 9 months after taking office), he’s been a miserable failure in the leadership department. And with the possible exception of Giuliani, no one else in the Republican field has that sense of leadership about them.
All I really know about Fred at this point is a couple of the videos he’s made, and some of the things he’s written. Depending on what happens in the campaign, I’m sure he could blow it. But what I’ve seen so far leads me to believe that this is a guy who truly gets it, and who truly has the leadership qualities we need.
And look: I am FAR from being a social con. I’m basically a classical liberal / libertarian who has reluctantly cast my lot in with the Republicans because they’re only allowing our enemies to get inside on us, rather than actively encouraging them, like the Dems do. But for the sake of the war, and the sake of having my rights stripped from me a little more slowly, I’ll put up with the social cons. And for the sake of having a LEADER in the White House, I’ll even vote for one.
Farmer_Joe on May 30, 2007 at 10:38 AM
If he gets enough money, I think Fred can take the nomination. I think HillDog would be the only Democrat who would challenge him nationally. He would absolutely obliterate Obama or Edwards in the debates.
WisCon on May 30, 2007 at 10:41 AM
I agree with others that have quoted this statement: it sounds like they are afraid of the force that is Fred!
BTW, it is Fred! Dalton Thompson
Mallard T. Drake on May 30, 2007 at 10:42 AM
He would absolutely obliterate Obama or Edwards in the debates.
He’d obliterate Hilary, too. That woman is a horrible speaker.
Farmer_Joe on May 30, 2007 at 10:45 AM
Nuance. ¿fred? has become fred? by announcing that he will announce.
Sadly, he mistakening believes his red pickup truck fakery is going to play with the country as a whole. If he continues with this kind of silliness, he wont last long if he ever does announce.
What the groupies should ask themselves is how will fred? answer the following questions….
1) Why is he pro-choice?
2) Why should we believe you are just a good ol boy when you really are more washington lobbiest and actor than a public servant?
3) Why did you fail to make the clinton/china connection?
4) Considering your poor record in the Senate, how can you expect us to support you as a presidential candidate?
5) You have no executive experience whatsoever, what makes you qualified to hold the most important executive job on the face of the earth?
6) Rhetoric is the tool of lobbiests, actors, and senators. How do you plan on putting your talk into actions?
7) What experience do you have that will help you deal with foriegn powers?
csdeven on May 30, 2007 at 10:58 AM
Shoe size.
Limerick on May 30, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Hi Limerick. How’s your soldier doing?
csdeven on May 30, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Cart before the horse. freddieboy has to get past the republicans first. And up to this point, all he has shown is that he can interview well on friendly venues and knows how to give a prepared speech. Debates against Rudy, Mitt!, and McCain, wont be like that. His pickup truck isn’t gonna help him there.
csdeven on May 30, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Debates against Rudy, Mitt!, and McCain, wont be like that. His pickup truck isn’t gonna help him there.
csdeven on May 30, 2007 at 11:08 AM
P. James Moriarty on May 30, 2007 at 11:12 AM
I haven’t made up my mind about Fred, but I find myself having a real soft spot for Politico. I like those guys. They took a risk.
MayBee on May 30, 2007 at 11:14 AM
How does this qualify as news or a newstory? Fred will be in the race when he announces. This is the nth story on this matter and is just about as unimportant as it can get.
thegreatbeast on May 30, 2007 at 11:17 AM
God forbid somebody fails to jump on the Fred love train.
He wouldn’t obliterate Hillary, sorry. It’d be a long, tough, fight with the Clinton Machine. You can talk all you want in debates, but Hillary would keep up her propaganda machine, and Democrats are more motivated than they have been in a long time, to get a D elected. It wouldn’t be as simple as many people think it will be, if Fred jumps in.
amerpundit on May 30, 2007 at 11:22 AM
How does this sound…
He paints the red truck Pink, for the Left…
He installs a 502 cu.in. turbo-charged engine, for the NASCAR crowd…
Converts it to run on Ethanol, for the Eviromentalists…
And, everybody’s happy.
franksalterego on May 30, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Boy, the Rudy supporters sure are getting nervous.
thirteen28 on May 30, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Well, I did say that I thought there was plenty of opportunity for him to screw up (I have total faith that ANY politician can screw himself up in a big way at any time), but if he carries himself half as well at a debate as he does in his videos, I think he’ll destroy them. An honest statement of principle will blow away a focus-grouped weasel proclamation any day.
Farmer_Joe on May 30, 2007 at 11:27 AM
(Nitro-m)ethanol and I’m happy.
P. James Moriarty on May 30, 2007 at 11:27 AM
Why does he need left hands in his campaign?
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 30, 2007 at 11:30 AM
Fox News says Fred! will announce July 5th….Just in time for my Birthday! What a great present that would be!
heatherrc77 on May 30, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Pro Life but resonable about it?… check…
Anti gun control?… yep…
Pro Free Speech?… heck even said supporting McCain/Fein was a mistake..
Pro Constitution?.. wants Roe V. Wade overturned and sent back to the STATES… makes sense to me…
Pro WOT?… called it what it was, a war on Militant Islam and Jihadists…
Pro Iraq war?… yes… thinks we need to finish what we start…
Reads and understands history?… yep…
Washington OUTSIDER?… can run as such… he served, then went home, just as our Founding Fathers envisioned… now he sees a need to serve again…
Pro Law and Order?… I won’t even have to touch that one…
My check will be in the mail… or on the websits….
Romeo13 on May 30, 2007 at 11:37 AM
hey CS……fine…..gettting ready to pack his bags. Goes back to the desert beginning of August (along with 35,000) others. Full of **** n vinegar as usual. He promised me he would put a Fred! bumper sticker on his Abrams when he gets there! :)
Limerick on May 30, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Is Jamiel Hussein the AP’s source for this too?
Capitalist Infidel on May 30, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Why? Nothing has changed since the last time there was word Thompson would seek the candidacy.
amerpundit on May 30, 2007 at 11:43 AM
He doesn’t get to take a prepared speech with him to the debate. And for all his rhetoric everyone is fawning over, he has yet to put it into practicle use. Just like his pickup truck, his rhetoric seems designed to mesmerize the groupies like a magician. Like slight of hand. Misdirection. The current crop of candidates have already proven they can speak off the cuff and explain their positions. freddie boys rhetoric isn’t going to cut it.
csdeven on May 30, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Actualy, it has, the whole Amnesty thing has blown up… and the FACT that Rudi ran an Sanctuary City has come out…
Romeo13 on May 30, 2007 at 11:47 AM
Glad he’s doing okay. My boy is one of those 35k. He’s at Fort Polk doing JRTC for three weeks. Then he’s home for two, then back to Campbell until they deploy.
My prayers go out to him, you and your family.
csdeven on May 30, 2007 at 11:49 AM
Yes, all who are excited about teh Fred are simply too naive to make decisions on their own and are just charmed by the folksy wisdom and…isn’t that a pretty truck?
Gollee…
I understand your reservations about Thompson and even share a few of them, but believe that above all else, debate between Republicans should be focused on how to unify behind whoever is our candidate, not tearing others down for their choice.
No matter who’s picked, there is going to be some debate about what issues are important and which are not.
Slublog on May 30, 2007 at 11:52 AM
We’ll see. If its just mouthing conservative talking points, he’ll crash and burn, because a pretender will always get exposed. If he’s the real deal, he’ll shred anything in his way. I get your concern that he may look too good to be true.
Bad Candy on May 30, 2007 at 11:52 AM
same here csdeven…to all of them and to all the families.
After Fred! wins I just want you to know that I’m offering you a ’safe-house’! :)
Limerick on May 30, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Just about everyone who ever spent anytime whatsoever reading about Rudy, knew that his strongest point isn’t on immigration. However, with the Bush/Kennedy bill, it doesn’t appear that we’ll have to worry about that issue, seeing as we’ll have 12-20 million new citizens, no matter who is elected next. The election of Fred! in ‘08, swearing in in ‘09, isn’t going to do anything for a bill that could become law in ‘07.
amerpundit on May 30, 2007 at 11:54 AM
From Wiki… but accurate…
I think Fred! can talk on his feet…
Romeo13 on May 30, 2007 at 11:55 AM
No matter what President you have next, if the pro-amnesty halls of Congress aren’t scrubbed clean, it doesn’t matter. They’d have enough to override Presidential veto, anyway.
amerpundit on May 30, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Where he differs from McCain in that he believes in borders. He has a little explaining to do about voting for BCRA but I think he’s strong enough in other areas to get by with an “It sounded like a good idea at the time, but …” explanation on that.
bdfaith on May 30, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Hate to disaggree. Their stance on this issue will affect how people vote in the next election, whether it will change the Amnesty Bill or not… Even if passed, much like the Bush Tax Cut, it can always be changed or amended.
It also goes to show their whole political philosophy… and to me, somthing of their character…
Rudi was willing to cut my RIGHT under the Second Amendment, while telling his Police (38,000… more than 3 times the whole dam border patrol) not to enforce the LAW on non citizens??? HUH??? Not someone I want as President… sorry.
Romeo13 on May 30, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Everything here is anonymous including my handle and I’m not about to change that, but if it weren’t, I’d ask if you wanted to put a couple of dollars on that. As it is my check is already cut for his campaign so my bet is already placed. How ’bout you? In the end we will just have to see how it turns out.
P. James Moriarty on May 30, 2007 at 12:03 PM
Your bumpersticker is served!
franksalterego on May 30, 2007 at 12:10 PM
Well, it did work for him in Tennessee and I have heard many people point to it as proof he is a regular joe.
csdeven on May 30, 2007 at 12:12 PM
I didn’t say it wouldn’t affect the vote.
It can always be amended, you’re right. Now, if we had a dictator who ruled by decree, that’d work. However, in order for it to be changed, Congress needs to do so. Back to my original point, that it doesn’t matter what the President wants legislatively, if the Congress has enough voting to overturn his veto. Hence my point, that you’d need to purge all of the pro-amnesty members of Congress, a majority, in order to get that done. Let’s face it: Kerry, Kennedy, McCain, etc., aren’t going anywhere.
amerpundit on May 30, 2007 at 12:13 PM
I think it works well as political strategy, but just disagree that it somehow proves the naivete of voters. From what I’ve read about that race, the guy won because he was able to connect with voters. Not because of the truck, but because he didn’t sound focus-grouped and poll-tested.
Sure, he’s got his gimmicks (and oh, are we going to get a truckload of folksy) but he also seems to have an ability to communicate conservative ideals on the stump and person to person.
Slublog on May 30, 2007 at 12:15 PM
I think CS’s point is that Fred can’t simply keep stating the subject of his talking points, and lightly hit on what he’s saying. That’s not going to cut it. People are going to want to go as in depth into him, as they do all of the other candidates. They’re going to want in-depth explanations on issues.
I’d personally love to hear more about Fred!’s 1994 statement that he said that abortion should be legal in all cases, as long as it’s in the first trimester. I personally have no problem with that statement, but others might.
amerpundit on May 30, 2007 at 12:16 PM
That isn’t really how I feel. I am hopeful that he isn’t as bad as he appears.
csdeven on May 30, 2007 at 12:16 PM
BTW, and I mean this sincerely, is it true that Thompson voted against impeaching Clinton on perjury? I heard it, but I can’t seem to find it anywhere.
amerpundit on May 30, 2007 at 12:19 PM
Yes. And if he can satisfactorily answer those questions, he’ll have my support.
csdeven on May 30, 2007 at 12:21 PM
I don’t give a carp about the folksy stuff, I’m kinda with Allah and hope to God he doesn’t overplay it, cuz I think it could hurt him if he goes overboard. See, if I were running, I’d have a column of Sherman or Patton tanks. Retro Tank Awesomeness…
Bad Candy on May 30, 2007 at 12:21 PM
What’s so bad about the guy?
Look, I get that he’ll have baggage to clear, but no worse than any of the others.
Bad Candy on May 30, 2007 at 12:25 PM
My 2 cents worth:
I haven’t seen him talk out of his butt yet. If he isn’t up to speed on an issue yet, he says so.
Near as I can tell, his image isn’t being massaged and “handled” by pros.
He speaks clearly, without weasel words, so you know where he stands on an issue.
Regular folks like these traits. He will do fine.
OneEyedJack on May 30, 2007 at 12:28 PM
But he’s no Messiah, either.
amerpundit on May 30, 2007 at 12:28 PM
I never claimed he was the Messiah, but he’s better than Rudy McRomney at this stage, McCain has pulled long knives on us so many times I’d never vote for the prick.
Romney is weak on 2nd Amendment (which I think will plague him) and has “evolved” on way too many issues, abortion particularly, and no one trusts his “evolutions”.
Rudy’s promising to let states decide, but I get this feeling he’d sign a gun ban if it found a way to his desk, plus he’s weak on abortion, and I guarantee you enough pro-lifers will sit out to cause problems.
I think that the pro-lifers issues are able to be navigated around, but that plus 2nd Amendment will sink their ships. You can skew on one big plank, but you do more than one, you’re screwed. And Immigration may be a big plank again, and Rudy will get hurt by that. And if you think I’m harping too much on the gun people, I think you underestimate them and their tenacity in protecting their issue.
I’m not putting all my eggs in one basket, but I’ll support Fred over these three, unless he’s a total f*ckup, then I’ll go with Rudy, reluctantly.
Bad Candy on May 30, 2007 at 12:44 PM
Actualy theres another dynamic to consider.
Most of the Amnesty bill provisions have language in it that says things like “when the DHS Secretary certifies”…
So, a large portion of whether this bill does anything besides amnesty will be dependant on the Pres. and his Sec of Homeland Security.
Pres. will also have to hold Congress’s feet to the fire for FUNDING which is NOT in the bill.
So, even if it passes, who is Pres. will have a HUGE impact on immigration…
Also… if you look at the poll numbers, I think people are really not getting just how important to the American People this issue is. I mean there are MORE people supporting the notion that our government knew about 9/11 than are thinking this bill will do any good.
If used correctly… this could really shake up the Washington politicos… including longterm Proffesional members of Congress who have REALLY lost touch with the American People.
Romeo13 on May 30, 2007 at 12:53 PM
amerpundit,
You get no argument from me there. I am by no means expecting Fred to simply walk in and win without a knock down drag out fight. As we all know the Klintons are made out of Teflon, no amount of corruption on their part sticks to them or hurts them. Fred because he is a republican will be held to a far higher standard of ethical behavior.
Hell just look at csdevens incessant and inane rambling about Fred’s use of a leased old red Chevy Pick-up. I wonder if csdevens realizes that Fred does actually own an old red Chevy Pick-up and that it sits in his mother driveway. That he did drive it all over the state of Tennessee during his two U.S. Senate campaigns. Or that he drove the truck to Washington in 1994 after he was elected.
Fred’s first senate campaign was going poorly so a GOP insider (Ron McMahan) who worked on the campaign asked him how he would do things differently, Fred’s response was, I’d go to my dad’s used car lot (in Lawrenceburg) and get a truck and drive it across the state. Which is pretty damn close to what they did, first they leased the truck and when he was elected he purchased it outright.
csdeven,
What the groupies should ask themselves is how will fred? answer the following questions….
He has already answered most of those questions.
1) He’s not, he is a federalist and doesn’t believe that the federal government has any business funding abortion, it should be a states rights issue. Furthermore he has stated that he believe Roe v Wade is bad legislation, which I might add nearly all constitutional scholars also say.
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Thompson…… *
3) He didn’t, he was the one who made the connection… http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1998/june98/psrjune98.html
4) Which poor record would that be? http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/t000457/
5) Pretty much the same experience every other president save Johnston has had… http://www.lawrenceburgs.com/fred-thompson.html
6) Try checking his bio…….http://www.lawrenceburgs.com/fred-thompson.html
7) Try checking his bio…….http://www.lawrenceburgs.com/fred-thompson.html
doriangrey on May 30, 2007 at 1:08 PM
amerpundit,
You get no argument from me there. I am by no means expecting Fred to simply walk in and win without a knock down drag out fight. As we all know the Klintons are made out of Teflon, no amount of corruption on their part sticks to them or hurts them. Fred because he is a republican will be held to a far higher standard of ethical behavior.
Hell just look at csdevens incessant and inane rambling about Fred’s use of a leased old red Chevy Pick-up. I wonder if csdevens realizes that Fred does actually own an old red Chevy Pick-up and that it sits in his mother driveway. That he did drive it all over the state of Tennessee during his two U.S. Senate campaigns. Or that he drove the truck to Washington in 1994 after he was elected.
Fred’s first senate campaign was going poorly so a GOP insider (Ron McMahan) who worked on the campaign asked him how he would do things differently, Fred’s response was, I’d go to my dad’s used car lot (in Lawrenceburg) and get a truck and drive it across the state. Which is pretty damn close to what they did, first they leased the truck and when he was elected he purchased it outright.
doriangrey on May 30, 2007 at 1:08 PM
csdeven,
What the groupies should ask themselves is how will fred? answer the following questions….
He has already answered most of those questions.
1) He’s not, he is a federalist and doesn’t believe that the federal government has any business funding abortion, it should be a states rights issue. Furthermore he has stated that he believe Roe v Wade is bad legislation, which I might add nearly all constitutional scholars also say.
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Thompson…… *
3) He didn’t, he was the one who made the connection… http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1998/june98/psrjune98.html
4) Which poor record would that be? http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/t000457/
5) Pretty much the same experience every other president save Johnston has had… http://www.lawrenceburgs.com/fred-thompson.html
6) Try checking his bio…….http://www.lawrenceburgs.com/fred-thompson.html
7) Try checking his bio…….http://www.lawrenceburgs.com/fred-thompson.html
doriangrey on May 30, 2007 at 1:09 PM
csdeven,
What the groupies should ask themselves is how will fred? answer the following questions….
He has already answered most of those questions.
doriangrey on May 30, 2007 at 1:10 PM
Everyone of you that call yourselves conservatives…better be voting for Fred Thompson.
msipes on May 30, 2007 at 1:20 PM
I’m not accusing the Boss of anything here but Michelle Malkin is hosting a picture of Thompson that doesn’t make me feel good about his health.
thegreatbeast on May 30, 2007 at 1:49 PM
How about announcing on July 7 to overshadow the Goracle’s “We’re All Gonna Die Unless You Elect Me Poobah of the Universe” concert?
JammieWearingFool on May 30, 2007 at 2:00 PM
If you can’t see it in this very post/thread, then you’re not looking very hard.
thirteen28 on May 30, 2007 at 2:07 PM
C’mon FRED! tell us whats really on your mind. Heh Heh
sonnyspats1 on May 30, 2007 at 2:10 PM
Fred Just announced…….
Fred announces…………
doriangrey on May 30, 2007 at 2:17 PM
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