Smoking Gun has six pages of mental health documents on him.

Tanya on May 29, 2007 at 5:46 PM

Thanks Tanya. Interesting stuff. Still no diagnosis beyond mentally ill. Mentally ill how doctor? Afterward we filled up threads about his schizophrenia, but we can’t diagnose. You can’t stop a gun sale without more than,”he seems a little crazy”. I’m no doctor, but I can read the DSM 5, or whatever number it’s up to. I think they pegged him as depressed and potentially suicidal. It would be nice if that could stop a gun sale. Based on the investigation, has a posthumous expert conclusion been reached? Is that possible? He passed for normal with his dorm-mates.

It would be good to hear from Virginia gun dealers on this.

Yeah I would like to know why a “check” is considered an acceptable form of identification in Virginia. I’m assuming it is an acceptable only with other forms of ID not by itself? Don’t criminals make their own scam checks on their home computer?

I don’t necessarily think it is a case of BATFE playing CYA, I think they are trying to clarify a vague and confusing question on the 4473 and it appears that the question will be simplified on future revisions of the 4473. Many times I have had to explain “adjudicated” to a potential buyer!

The fault lies with VA not finding him dangerous and not giving that info to the NICS for their files. Apparently a LOT of states only transfer criminal history to NICS and not mental
-SR Sblammo

What this means is that, untill the BATF can figure out a way to inform gun dealers of a persons private medical background, gun dealers are required to have Extra Sensory Perception to determine the mental health of any given gun buyer.

Lawrence on May 29, 2007 at 3:02 PM

That’s pretty much what I thought. Thanks for clearing it up!

By liberal logic, the only thing to do is grab more “evil” guns. That is easier than facing up to the responsibility of God-given rights.

I geniunely don’t quite know what to make of this.

What this means is that, untill the BATF can figure out a way to inform gun dealers of a persons private medical background, gun dealers are required to have Extra Sensory Perception to determine the mental health of any given gun buyer.

But at the mental health level, even apart from any HIPAA rules, the NICS is totally reliant on the doctors/hospitals getting around to submitting paperwork saying that someone’s nuts, and then someone else receiving the paperwork and entering the information into the NICS computers. I wonder if they’re doing anything to shore up that side of it?

Plus, as I understand it, the HIPAA laws prevent the information from being available also

That is where the change needs to be made. I appreciate doctor/patient privelege, but I doubt many rational people would be against this measure. This doesn’t give gun dealers access to medical records, it could be a simple yes/no to the question of previous mental illness.

From my reading of it, it’s pretty much CYA and a head’s up that they’re going to change the form. For those who’ve never filled one out, there’s a set of 12 (13?) questions that you answer Yes or No to. Hint: there is one you say Yes to, the rest should all be NO. I expect that they’ll put the question about “Are you a nutcase?” in a bigger box with more text explaining how you really, really shouldn’t lie on this one, and that you should say YES even if the voices are telling you not to.

Which, of course, will absolutely stop anyone from lying when they fill out the form so we’ll never have another such incident.