Newt settles Bush/Carter “worst president” controversy: They both reek
posted at 12:52 pm on May 29, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Violations of the Eleventh Commandment aplenty in this New Yorker piece about the big dead elephant in the room, starting with Newt hammering Rove, then DeLay hammering Newt, then Armey hammering DeLay, and finally Jeff Flake wondering aloud how much worse things are going to get before they get better.
This, in particular, sent a shiver of recognition down my spine:
Newt Gingrich is one of those who fear that Republicans have been branded with the label of incompetence. He says that the Bush Administration has become a Republican version of the Jimmy Carter Presidency, when nothing seemed to go right. “It’s just gotten steadily worse,” he said. “There was some point during the Iranian hostage crisis, the gasoline rationing, the malaise speech, the sweater, the rabbit”—Gingrich was referring to Carter’s suggestion that Americans wear sweaters rather than turn up their thermostats, and to the “attack” on Carter by what cartoonists quickly portrayed as a “killer rabbit” during a fishing trip—“that there was a morning where the average American went, ‘You know, this really worries me.’ ” He added, “You hire Presidents, at a minimum, to run the country well enough that you don’t have to think about it, and, at a maximum, to draw the country together to meet great challenges you can’t avoid thinking about.” Gingrich continued, “When you have the collapse of the Republican Party, you have an immediate turn toward the Democrats, not because the Democrats are offering anything better, but on a ‘not them’ basis. And if you end up in a 2008 campaign between ‘them’ and ‘not them,’ ‘not them’ is going to win.”
True enough, and for all the fawning we (and others) do over Fred!, Fred! is very much “them.” So what’s Newt’s solution? Simple — make sure the GOP nominee is “not them” to take away the Democrats’ advantage and make this a “fresh state” election on both sides. A penetrating analogy:
The only way to keep the White House in G.O.P. hands, Gingrich said, would be to nominate someone who, in essence, runs against Bush, in the style of Nicolas Sarkozy, the center-right cabinet minister who just won the French Presidency by making his own President, Jacques Chirac, his virtual opponent. Sarkozy is a transforming figure in French politics, Gingrich said, and he suggested that the only Republican who shared Sarkozy’s “transformative” approach to governing was [himself].
“In a country that wanted to say, ‘Not them,’ he managed to switch the identity of the ‘them.’ He said, ‘I’m different from Chirac, and she’s not. If you want more of the same, you should vote for her.’ It was a Lincoln-quality strategic decision.”…
Gingrich has been criticized lately by some conservatives—most notably DeLay—for spending too much time reaching out to center-right voters; he advocates modernizing the government rather than making it smaller… It is true, Gingrich said, that he wants to bring the center into a coalition with the right, “because I want to give the right power. The right can have power only by being allied with the center.”
Exit question one: Aside from his position on global warming, what exactly is it about Newt that’s going to attract centrists? And exit question two: Don’t we already have a “not them” center-right candidate?
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Update: Lookin’ good!
[E]ven if voters’ opinions of the Republican Party rebound somewhat, the party still faces a very hilly political landscape for the 2008 Senate campaign. That is because Republicans will be defending 21 Senate seats next year to just 12 for the Democrats. And even worse for Republican planners is the fact that — at least at this still very early point in the campaign cycle — they appear to have only a tiny number of Democratic-held seats that appear serious targets.
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NEWT IN ‘08!
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Have your morals, and win the war too, you stupid RUDY sell outs.
seejanemom on May 29, 2007 at 12:54 PM
Crook
tomas on May 29, 2007 at 12:55 PM
Isn’t Bush the first president ever who’s had to deal with the aftermath of an attack as big as 9/11 that *didn’t* “draw the country together” all on its own? I mean, it did for about six days. After that it was “maybe it’s our fault, by which I mean it’s Bush’s fault” and it was all downhill from there. And for anything less than that kind of attack, it’s hard to point to a point in history where any country was united to the point he seems to be talking about.
I don’t think “drawing the country together” is a useful objective for much of anything except total war or presidential elections.
Anwyn on May 29, 2007 at 12:59 PM
Yeah, Not Bush worked great in 2004.
Seixon on May 29, 2007 at 1:01 PM
The guy’s approval rating is 28 percent, dude. Two. Eight.
Allahpundit on May 29, 2007 at 1:01 PM
That says more about the country than him.
tomas on May 29, 2007 at 1:02 PM
The only way to keep the White House in G.O.P. hands, Gingrich said, would be to nominate someone who, in essence, runs against Bush,…
Aren’t the Dems doing that now? I mean, listen to them speak and all you hear is the Bush administration this and the Bush administration that. I don’t recall any of the Rebubs doing that. I could be wrong of course, but the analysis of the Dem debate was that they all attacked this administration like Bush was running again.
Newt does have a point though. If the last guy was a failure then you sure don’t want sound like him.
JohnnyD on May 29, 2007 at 1:07 PM
So did Gingrich think this article would help him?
Seems it will actually remind a lot of Republicans why he is no longer speaker – “arrogant Messiah-complex” just doesn’t play well with voters.
Slublog on May 29, 2007 at 1:08 PM
When it comes to the general election, I’ll vote for whomever I have to.
However, neither Rudy nor Newt looks good right now. Rudy has a problematic personal life. Newt tried to suggest that a person’s personal life should not come into play in an election. They both lose points there.
Newt can get the base, but no one else. Rudy can get a number of others, but the base will likely not be as enthusiastic about voting for him unless Hillary is the opposing candidate.
While I am currently undecided, I can say with certainty, say no to Rudy and no to Newt.
CR UVa on May 29, 2007 at 1:09 PM
Conservatives are the biggest bunch of whiny babies I have ever heard. He has no right to call our president a failure. He got his behine handed to him.
Our president is no failure and you better support him while our boys are working so hard. I don’t care if Hillary was president now. You can’t treat them like this when there are more important things going on than yourselves. Sickening…and on Memorial Day. Pathetic.
tomas on May 29, 2007 at 1:10 PM
Hasn’t the expiration date on Newt Gingrich been reached already?
Hilts on May 29, 2007 at 1:12 PM
1. I don’t think there is much that will. Personal opinion is that centrists don’t want to go back to the nineties with Hillary or Newt. A Newt-Hillary matchup is the only one I see where Hillary could win.
2. Yes. It is Rudy. IF Rudy is Repub nom He beats Hillary by winning NY electoral votes, loss from which she can’t make up – no prediction on Rudy Vs Obama matchup. Too early to tell.
Bradky on May 29, 2007 at 1:21 PM
Yes it did. Bush should, by any reasonable political analysis, have crushed Kerry like a bug. Instead it was a squeaker. The only thing Kerry had going for him was “not Bush” and it almost got him to the White House against a sitting President with a good economy. So, yes, it did work great in 2004.
Annoying Old Guy on May 29, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Yes, let’s run Newt, the only Republican ever to achive a negative rating as high as GWB. That’s smart.
We can pick Rudy to run or get used to having a Democratic President.
Figure it out, people.
JayHaw Phrenzie on May 29, 2007 at 1:26 PM
There’s some truth to that. But the Bush administration is screwing up by the numbers on a number of points. Immigration…diplomacy with Iran…and yes, post-Saddam handling of Iraq.
I still don’t believe any of that justifies his abysmal approval rating.
flipflop on May 29, 2007 at 1:27 PM
Newt settles Bush/Carter “worst president” controversy: They both reek…
When did Newt turn into such a toad? Giving the GOP warts and all. That Fairy Tale where the Princess kisses the Toad and he turns into the President won’t be happening here if Newty keeps making dumb statements like this….
soulsirkus on May 29, 2007 at 1:28 PM
Giuliani is NOT center-right. I’m still completely baffled at the number of otherwise intelligent people who seem to think so. Why do they think so? Because he walked around saying harsh things about Islam and terrorists after 9/11. That pretty much sums it up. Other than that, he’s left of center in EVERY way.
Gregor on May 29, 2007 at 1:29 PM
Also remember, “Not Bush” worked out even better for the Dems in 2006.
I think Newt is on to something, but the candidate he is describing also has to be viewed as an outsider. The former Speaker of the House will not be considered an outsider. Neither will Hillary, though.
bert169 on May 29, 2007 at 1:30 PM
I am starting to be of the mindset that 8 years of any presidency is 4 years too long (D or R, doesnt matter). Keep it within 4 gives you enough time to get something done before you start stinking up the joint. Carter should never even had four but Newts theory of “them” and “not them” fits into that situation.
The everything seems to fall apart during the second term.
While we’re at it – term limits for Congress as well.
journeyscarab on May 29, 2007 at 1:34 PM
He’s essentially right, but the last thing we need is a bipolar president. Sorry Newt, not in this lifetime.
Steve LLamabutcher on May 29, 2007 at 1:36 PM
Yeah. I’m in agreement with you. Make it one 6-year term.
bert169 on May 29, 2007 at 1:36 PM
Didn’t Newt blow his moment in history? He offered a contract that he failed to follow…
Pam on May 29, 2007 at 1:38 PM
Senate too.
BacaDog on May 29, 2007 at 1:40 PM
I like Newt, and I think a Fred/Newt run would be great.
I think he’s dead on with this one.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on May 29, 2007 at 1:44 PM
Your comment about Fred! being “one of them” could not be further from the truth.
One of Fred’s! strongest assets is that he is NOT a profesional politician. He did serve in the Senate, but then he went home… kinda like the founding Fathers envisiond. He is NOT part of the Bush debacle. He is NOT part of the ruling out of touch folks running the RNC.
He can, and should, run as an outsider!
Face it… Hillary is so much an insider that Bill won’t even divorce her. Obama? Up and coming profesional politician… Edwards? Insider ambulance chaser… Ghoulianni? Profesional politician, flips and flops… McCain??? WAY INSIDE!!!
Only conservative we have who can run from the outside is Fred!
Romeo13 on May 29, 2007 at 1:45 PM
It isn’t hard to (a) appeal to voters, (b) be conservative, and (c) not look like Bush.
Not hard at all.
Fred on May 29, 2007 at 1:48 PM
I am NOT a Righht winger, Pro-Life whack job like I might sound like, because after we got a couple good SCJs…I was happy. Even dumb old Jane knows the President doesn’t “control” a darned thing about abortion in this country.
NOR SHOULD HE.
But a President sets a tone, and Rudy is just not playing my song.
And Newt is a toad.
What is a girl to do?
I won’t support fred? because he is the
mystery non-candidateObama of our party so far>>>>lacking real substance, but he looks so damn good….Right?What is THAT to build a party on?…..Oh, forgot, the Dems did that for eight years…
seejanemom on May 29, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Hate to tell ya, Newtie, but your “use by” date passed about 11 years ago. Meanwhile, to use your own analogy, you are definitely one of “them”.
Allah, by your own admission, GWB’s approval rating is in the sh*tter because he has alienated his own base with the illegal immigration amnesty thing, and his penchant for signing any bill that comes to his desk, no matter how pork-laden it may be (at least, until recently). Hell, when he finally picked up that VETO pen to actually, you know (channeling Kos lol) USE IT, I’m guessing he had to put a new ink cartridge in it because the old one dried out years ago.
Personally I’m so sick of “party” politics that I would vote for any presidential candidate who shares the values I believe in: fiscal restraint, judicial conservatism, and understanding that Islamists won’t “go away” if we somehow become superior Euroweenie-type beings. Oh, and do all these things while being sincere when he opens his mouth, while understanding that silence is consent – something GWB, for all his apparent desire to not be seen as a political mudslinger – has never learned.
Notice how quickly most of the current presidential candidate field evaporates the moment one applies “sincerity” as a filtering mechanism?
As far as I can tell, the US has not had someone who fit that bill since Ike. In my opinion, Fred! comes closest, even if at times he doesn’t seem to have the “fire in the belly” that should come with wanting to hold the Office. By comparison, the rest of the candidate field are either one trick ponies, people who want to hold the Office because of the power and prestige that comes with it, or else so politically jaded that nothing is left to chance, not even a bowel movement.
And yes, it really is a different world these days. Can you imagine Ike’s reaction to the way Americans seem to have completely forgotten 9/11 and the threat that caused it – and remains to this day, even if we have somehow managed to be vigilant enough to prevent another attack on US soil?
Meanwhile, let’s forget for a moment that Islamists rant daily about how evil the West is, especially the US, and how a man who wants nukes leads his people in “Death to America” chants each day. Let’s just forget about defending the borders and let anyone come in. And if a coyote smuggles in a few MANPADS in with his cargo of illegal aliens, what’s a shot down 747 (loaded full with 400+ passengers) at, say, LAX, among friends?
After all, doesn’t the world, and the political Left, think we somehow deserve it?
Wanderlust on May 29, 2007 at 1:50 PM
Fred!? Is that you?
IrishEi on May 29, 2007 at 1:56 PM
There was only one Ronald Reagan guys…I’m sorry. Don’t throw this country away through hard headedness. You must get a republican elected…when the choice is made you must support him…I think it is simple.
tomas on May 29, 2007 at 1:59 PM
This looks more like Newt positioning himself to appear relevant. He is not electable, but he is hoping to be a power broker come election/primary time.
Krydor on May 29, 2007 at 2:01 PM
You’re simply not paying attention. A Republican, as the term stands now, is just as likely to cause the downfall of this country than any Democrat. Simply electing “a Republican” is not good enough. You better make damn sure it’s the right one.
Gregor on May 29, 2007 at 2:17 PM
Go ahead, and vote for Liberals.
Just don’t come back later, and claim there were no warning signals.
franksalterego on May 29, 2007 at 2:18 PM
Fred can make himself a very much a “not them” candidate. While he has conservative bonafides he also has sufficiently criticised the boths sides of the aisle for their ineffectiveness. He can play to centrist as a not Bush. He spent his time in the Senate trying to make government work. He was able to run and win in the South with the opinion that a woman should have the right to choose and the states have a right to pass their own abortion laws. That is definitely not Hilary and not Bush either.
Theworldisnotenough on May 29, 2007 at 2:23 PM
Michael Reagan repealed the 11th commandment last year with these prophetic words:
May 26, 2006:
INC on May 29, 2007 at 2:24 PM
Oh yes and immigration makes Fred THE “not them” candidate. He can smack Hilary around for not voting on the bill. She had a chance to make a stand but did not. Just like McCain slammmed Obama: It’ easy to say you were against the war when you weren’t around for the vote. I see something like that coming from Fred on Hilarys immigration stance.
Theworldisnotenough on May 29, 2007 at 2:37 PM
While I greatly respect Newt, his comments about George W. Bush were uncharacteristically lacking in perspective.
There is no need whatsoever to compare Bush’s record with Jummy Carter and no need to run away from George W. Bush. George W. Bush has been very good on arguably the biggest issues — the war on terror, cutting taxes, economic growth and judicial nominations. Jimmy Carter, on the other hand, was a disaster — period. In time, George W. Bush’s regard in history will go up, just as it has with respect to Harry Truman; and if the Iraq War turns out for the good, then Bush’s regard goes way up more quickly. But Carter will always be viewed as a weak President.
Phil Byler on May 29, 2007 at 2:38 PM
Um, based exactly on what? You made the assertion, but you haven’t offered any support thereof.
By positioning himself solidly with the conservative base against Bush on the issue of illegal immigration/border security, Fred has already taken a giant step into “not them” territory.
Having been out of politics since January 2003 also helps his status with the “not them”.
I know the accent and the down-home folksy talk annoys you, but I think you’re reaching, as Fred is the most “not them” candidate (albeit currently undeclared) in the field.
thirteen28 on May 29, 2007 at 2:42 PM
Looks like Newt’s only connection to the center might not work out all that well, either.
Jaibones on May 29, 2007 at 3:05 PM
LOL! OMG! Laughing so hard my stomach is killing me.
George Bush is every bit the second coming of Jimmy Carter as far as the damage he’s doing to this country. His policies might not be the same, but the damage is.
Gregor on May 29, 2007 at 3:12 PM
If this amnesty bill goes through, the Bush malice legacy will pale in the face of Carter’s incompetent legacy.
Valiant on May 29, 2007 at 3:17 PM
Newt is right about the “Them/Not Them” theory, he just doesn’t realize which of the candidates fall in to which category. Newt can criticize Republicans all he wants, but to the vast majority of the non-political junkie voting public that will decide the general election, Newt is the embodiment of “Them.” He is the progenitor of the Republican majority Congress that got dumped so unceremoniously last November, and is inextricably identified with them.
Rudy is by far the biggest “Not Them” candidate, for the Republicans to run “against” Bush in 2008, mostly because he hasn’t been in Washington and isn’t a member of the Republican Establishment. The fact that he is a Yankee further distances him from the Texan Bush and a party that, to its benefit for most of the last 27 years, has been largely identified with good ole boys. Fred can credibly claim some distance from Washington and personally I’d love to see him as President, but for the drive-by voter who doesn’t follow politics in any detail, Fred looks a lot more like “Them” than Rudy does.
Personally, I think Congressional Republicans are going to take another drubbing in 2008 if this Immigration Bill passes, but we can still win the White House if our candidate disavows it, and does create that distance between him and Bush.
Dudley Smith on May 29, 2007 at 3:19 PM
UUuummm…who is being hardheaded??>>
I AM TRYING TO GET THE (SHEEP) REPUBLICANS to speak their minds DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, and stop BENDING OVER to the “forgone conclusion” candidate nominated by the media and pop culture.
THIS IS THE TIME to point out that Rudy is naked, and FAR from Emperor material.
THIS IS THE TIME to stand up for the closest thing to Ronald Reagan that we have a hope to NOMINATE.
NOMINATE….say it with me…..
seejanemom on May 29, 2007 at 3:22 PM
AND tomas…when I SEEEEEE a “Republican”, I’ll VOTE for one.
So far? notsomuch……..
seejanemom on May 29, 2007 at 3:24 PM
Good point. I take back my comparison and acknowlege that Bush is actually WORSE than Carter.
Gregor on May 29, 2007 at 3:25 PM
Very strange post. First you claim that Rudy is the guy to run as a “not them” candidate, and then follow it up by saying that
Are you aware that Giuliani is in full support of amnesty and is possibly even worse on the open borders issue than any of the others?
Gregor on May 29, 2007 at 3:28 PM
The drive-by voter that doesn’t follow politics to whom you refer is more likely to know Fred from “Law and Order” than as a political insider.
thirteen28 on May 29, 2007 at 3:47 PM
Newt has jumped the shark, sadly. I think it happened when he went green, and he’s been off ever since. I hate to see how the Republican Party is indeed imploding. Remember just a year or so ago when all the talk was about the Democrat Party infighting, and how unhinged they were becoming? Say what you want about them, but they sure do stay united (in going farther to the left). There seems to be a civil war brewing in our party…
Patriot33 on May 29, 2007 at 3:50 PM
Fred! is “them?”
Mmmmmkay.
So what color is the sky in your dimension?
Misha I on May 29, 2007 at 4:08 PM
Newt’s an arrogant little prick!
He had the Speakership and he blew it, just like Nancy.
Nancy and Newt make Denny Hastert look like the smoothest guy in the world and that’s no mean trick!
Jen the Neocon on May 29, 2007 at 4:19 PM
Jen has a point.
Glenn Beck for President.
seejanemom on May 29, 2007 at 5:11 PM
Don’t know how many people are aware of it, but Jim Corsi has announced that he’s running.
Gregor on May 29, 2007 at 5:46 PM
I love Glenn Beck!
Jen the Neocon on May 29, 2007 at 6:09 PM
I mean … “Jerome” Corsi.
Gregor on May 29, 2007 at 6:12 PM
Fred! is who people thought Bush was.
- The Cat
P.S. I still don’t regret voting for Bush twice. Bush has been a great prez for the most part, it’s just that he’s falling for the same stuff his father did toward the end of his term.
P.P.S. I do, however, regret voting for Poirot, who was THEE ‘not them’ candidude.
MirCat on May 29, 2007 at 9:55 PM
Newt is an okay guy to have in a backroom pressuring the indecisive, but once he comes out front and begins talking about serious things (other than history), he reveals an arrogance that alienates.
(Plus his low personal baggage swamps his “high ground” credibility.)
Bush has failed in defining the enemy. But at least he fought.
Newt failed to fight in the Congress, once he gained power, and squandered an histoical moment, as Bush has(by frittering away the rage after 9/11 by swinging blindly in the world instead of crushing every nest of jihad available, while public fury would excuse such “over-reaction”).
And they both forgot to uphold their primary duty to defend the borders.
profitsbeard on May 29, 2007 at 11:16 PM
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