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Video: Bill Kristol opposes the immigration compromise

posted at 7:30 pm on May 27, 2007 by Bryan
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Bill Kristol is generally on the open borders side of immigration arguments, but he came out on Fox News Sunday opposing the Bush-Kennedy immigration compromise, and for a very good reason:


He’s right: The Z visas will become an incentive for illegals to flood across the border and “prove” that they have been here since before January 1, 2007. If the Z visas become law without meaningful border security in place first, they will be a magnet for more illegal immigration, not just a way to get people “out of the shadows” that many of them seem perfectly content to live in.

In my opinion, fixing the immigration mess without resorting to deporting 12 million (or 20 million or whatever the real number of illegals is) isn’t that hard to figure out.

1. End the “sanctuary cities.” Any city that refuses to enforce federal immigration law loses all federal funds. Those funds will be restored when the city ends its sanctuary practices and demonstrates that it will enforce federal immigration law. The Senate voted down ending sanctuary cities last week, 49-48, which should tell you that the Senate doesn’t really care about basic immigration law enforcement at all. The president wouldn’t sign a bill that killed off sanctuary practices anyway. America’s mayor was a sanctuary mayor, fwiw. Nevertheless, sanctuary cities are a major magnet for illegal immigrants. Remove them from the board and you remove the major attractor that drew them here and keeps them here.

2. Crack down for real on employers who hire illegal aliens. Stiffen the fines. Add jail time for repeat offenders. Make it no longer worth the risk to knowingly hire illegal aliens, and you’ll take away the main driver for employers to hire them, and for illegals to come here.

3. Crack down on the illegal ID trade. The illegal ID trade is part of the infrastructure that enables illegals to live and work here “in the shadows.” Eradicate it. Stiffen fines and penalties for anyone caught manufacturing and selling or distributing fake IDs. Increase local and state police emphasis on the illegal ID industry. This may sound petty, but fake and falsified IDs are a serious national security issue. Fake and falsified IDs enabled terrorists to hijack Flight 77 on 9-11 and every day they facilitate the culture of lawbreaking that is illegal immigration.

4. End the practice of accepting matricula consular cards. They’re not valid American ID, they’re easily faked, so do away with them. Also, end the practice of remittances to foreign recipients via American banks. Anyone using Bank of America and other US financial institutions should be required to produce real proof of identity–a bona fide (and not stolen) Social Security number–before being allowed to send money outside the US.

5. Build the fence and build up the Border Patrol. It’s simple: We have a border and we ought to defend it with real barriers. We can apply what we learn defending our own border to our ongoing work defend the Iraqi borders with Syria and Iran.

Have I called for anyone to be deported? Have I, Secretary Chertoff, called for anyone’s execution? No, though as the secretary knows we have every right to deport illegals individually or en masse.

Have I fixed every single hole in the border? No. But these solutions would go a long way toward taking away most of the reasons illegals come here, businesses hire them and businesses pursue them as customers.

The problem with these simple solutions is that various business interests are against 2 and 4 because they will cost them money. The Senate already shamefully shot down #1. And groups like La Raza are against even basic border security (#5), and they will brand anyone who favors border security as “racist” etc. Their allies at the WSJ will echo that dishonest argument. Politicians run from that word when they ought to counter with accurate arguments to frame immigration reform as what it is: a national security issue. So even though we don’t have to run a stream of a thousand buses south to deport all 12 million illegal aliens currently living in the US, we won’t get basic, simple security measures that would dry up most of the pond in which the illegals thrive. We’ll end up either with another grand amnesty that hardly anyone actually wants and won’t actually stem the flow of illegals into the US, or we’ll end up with nothing. Either way, the system won’t get fixed.

It’s so simple a congressman could do it, but most won’t.


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The problem with these simple solutions is that various business interests are against 2 and 4 because they will cost them money

Not necessarily. The real issue is the uneven playing field. In some industries, if you play by the rules you risk being undercut and put out of business by competitors breaking the law (and not being punished for it). If the laws are clear are enforced leveling the playing field, everybody can compete fairly. And, if in order to make a fair return, they need to raise prices, they can do it without fear they will be undercut by competitors using illegal immigrants. \

Level the playing field, make it clear laws will be vigorously enforced and you’ll turn them into supporters. They in fact will be the first line of enforcement. Every time they get undercut because a competitor is using illegal immigrants, they will be on the phone reporting them. Then, it will be up to the government to act immediately.

TheBigOldDog on May 27, 2007 at 7:44 PM

That does make sense , BigOldDog, until you get to the part where the government acts immediately. There is absolutley no motivation for them to do so.

bbz123 on May 27, 2007 at 7:56 PM

My cousins cousins cousin already has a forged Z visa ! he heh

abinitioadinfinitum on May 27, 2007 at 8:03 PM

I know, there’s one in every crowd. sorry!

abinitioadinfinitum on May 27, 2007 at 8:10 PM

It seems that the conspiratorial side of my brain is at work again in that I believe that there is something more sinister afoot than just getting cheap lettuce pickers.

I believe that the globalization crowd is using this country as a test case for creating a world without borders. In other words, country sovereignty will no longer exist. This implies that a world president, a legislature, and a judicial system will be necessary to run the global community. Kinda’ sounds like the United Nations doesn’t it?

Maybe someone with a greater conspiratorial mind than I can tell me what the purpose of having such a world would accomplish. World equality? World peace? World lemmings?

It would also be interesting to find out if Kristol is of the same mind.

pocomoco on May 27, 2007 at 8:12 PM

It’s so simple a congressman could do it, but most won’t.

Even the Geico cavemen think that’s retarded.

Kid from Brooklyn on May 27, 2007 at 8:23 PM

Maybe someone with a greater conspiratorial mind than I can tell me what the purpose of having such a world would accomplish. World equality? World peace? World lemmings?

You can call me a crankpot conspiratorialist or take your pick.

Money trumps everything, literally, factually, completely.

Every single thing, person and machine has a value and we as a nation just like many others operates on a debt based financial system.

Its simple the more value a nation has the greater debt ceiling that nation can carry.

You, me and every other person (legal or not), machine and blade of grass is counted like chattel and contributes to the potential debt capability of the US.

More humans…more money…my opinion.

Speakup on May 27, 2007 at 8:37 PM

I have lived in California, Texas and now I’m back home in New Orleans. So I have seen and met more than my share of Illegal aliens. I can honestly say most of them that I have met are very hard working and from what I can tell are all good people. That is not the point. I want the future of my family to be able to live the American dream without having to worry about a Race or Religion putting itself above American LAW. If people don’t follow our laws we have in place now or make new laws to suit their own religion, than it is obvious to me they will never go back to following future laws. Bryan, all your points are right on the mark and as you said so simple even a congressman could do it. but as pocomoco said there is something more sinister afoot. I would have to agree with him.

abinitioadinfinitum on May 27, 2007 at 8:45 PM

Everything we know of the world is crumbling. New World Order is next. We no longer have a representative form of government. Our reps/sens do not listen to the people, but they do listen to the lobbyists. You can call/email/write your senators and representatives till you are blue in the face. They will not represent us. That is plain to see on immigration “reform” It is over for those of you who think you have a voice. You do not. Federal government has gotten bigger than the State government (beginning with the 17th Amendment) and the state goverment is being subverted by the Feds. Welcome to your new world.

Neocon Peg on May 27, 2007 at 9:08 PM

At least some of our representatives have some common sense. If this bill passes we are going to have more of an invasion than we already do. Mexico will simply annex us with their millions coming across our border, tell the Left whatever they want to hear, and then the United States will become a defacto part of Mexico.

Look what the Left’s pursuit of power, and the Ferengi on the right in pursuit of short term profit, have done to our country.

omegaram on May 27, 2007 at 9:21 PM

You can call/email/write your senators and representatives till you are blue in the face.

I realize it may seem that way but its not true.
American citizens have had a tremendous impact on the immigration debate and continue to do so.

Yes there are heavy influences arrayed against us but believe me a blanket amnesty would have occurred long ago were it not for yours and my involvement.

This is truly a never give up time in our history, call, call, call, write, write, write let our elected leaders know what you expect them to do, the more eloquently the better.

Pro America activists should all pat themselves on the back, they deserve it!

Speakup on May 27, 2007 at 9:24 PM

“Have I, Secretary Chertoff, called for anyone’s execution?”

Hmmm. That’s an interesting point.

Is it an “execution” if we install machine gun towers very 100 yards along the border and fire on “invaders” attempting to invade America? It seems to me that’s called repelling an invasion and the last time I checked, that’s allowed under Article 51 of the UN Charter.

After all, it’s not an “execution” unless the are in our custody and under our jucidial control…..

Just kidding, folks…..

georgej on May 27, 2007 at 9:33 PM

In the end, they are going to make U.S. citizens take a card and prove they are here legally instead of the other way around. I am convinced this will entail some sort of microchip. Call me crazy if you must.

SouthernGent on May 27, 2007 at 9:38 PM

that’s allowed under Article 51 of the UN Charter

If the Pres. were to declare a national emergency a whole lot of things could/would change.

I don’t see it happening.

Considering some earlier posts and the consequences, kidding might not be a good idea.

Speakup on May 27, 2007 at 9:41 PM

Maybe some of you are following this a heckuva lot closer than I am, but…

Isn’t the fix already in? Bush will sign it, a bipartisan Senate drafted the bill, every single challenge has already been soundly defeated, etc.

Are people out there just bitching and moaning, but in the end, it’s going to be passed anyway, pretty much intact from what was originally agreed upon?

asc85 on May 27, 2007 at 9:44 PM

The grand compromise is anything but a done deal.
This bill is so onerous that support doesn’t exist in the public hardly at all.

If the Senate tries to go forward with this abomination a black rain will fall and Senators have had that explained to them very well in the last few days.

Those who broke the law in this issue can not be appeased and Americans will not tolerate the appeasement of those who broke the law.

Such a simple concept to grasp, I’m sure even Edward Morrow Kennedy can conceive of it.

Speakup on May 27, 2007 at 10:57 PM

I used to read the WSJ everyday. I continually felt my intelligence was being insulted with their commentary on this issue. Rule of law and protection of the citizenry are the fundamental basis justifying governmental existance!

Spirit of 1776 on May 27, 2007 at 11:49 PM

I like Bryan’s list, and I’d add a couple things: ending the availability of social services for illegals, including medical care and schooling; and ending anchor babies.

It does seem that the Federal government is ignoring us.

A Protein Wisdom commenter linked to an article at Science Daily that discusses how people register information: the more times you hear an opinion, even if it’s from the same person over and over again, the more popular you believe that opinion is.

Given what the Left does with HA articles on Digg, I’m not surprised that Congress thinks the whole country has tipped Left. They probably hear from the two sides in about the same proportions that Digg does.

That local governments have passed laws lately trying to mitigate what DC is doing is a hopeful sign. Not sure it’s enough though….

kate q on May 28, 2007 at 12:46 AM

As a Canadian I’m beginning to think this whole Z visa thing is a good deal. I can move to a warmer climate and not pay any back taxes. Anyone have suggestions of a good sanctuary city I should move to?

Paul in Poco on May 28, 2007 at 12:53 AM

Hmmm. That’s an interesting point.

Is it an “execution” if we install machine gun towers very 100 yards along the border and fire on “invaders” attempting to invade America? It seems to me that’s called repelling an invasion and the last time I checked, that’s allowed under Article 51 of the UN Charter.

After all, it’s not an “execution” unless the are in our custody and under our jucidial control…..

Just kidding, folks…..

georgej on May 27, 2007 at 9:33 PM

You seem to have a lot of these little “jokes”.

I prefer: “Potestas Democraticorum delenda est!” because I hope to see in my lifetime the Democratic party outlawed, its leadership imprisoned for treason, it’s assets confiscated, and DNC headquarters imploded and leveled and replaced by a hot dog stand.
georgej on May 25, 2007 at 1:47 AM

I look forward to the day when one of his guests brings a Louisville Slugger to the show and play HARDBALL with his mush-filled head. That’d be worth the price of cable for a year!
georgej on May 23, 2007 at 4:01 AM

And by the way please explain where in Article 51 it says it is okay to cut unarmed persons trying to cross the border?
Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Bradky on May 28, 2007 at 12:57 AM

#6 Bring in more people legally.

That is the tipping point.

Use illegal aliens own countrymen to take the jobs they will eventually lose to enforcement. Or not, we do not need Hispanic immigrants. Our potential sources for labor are global, not Latin American.

Theworldisnotenough on May 28, 2007 at 1:12 AM

Great post and observation, Bryan.

I agree and add (as someone else did), cut off social services, amend the Constitution so that the 14th Amendment isn’t so blanket, and make it known that illegals caught here will have a hard time finding a job or getting citizenship.

People test boundaries and so do kids; they take them for granted until they realise that there are genuine consequences for breaking the rules. What message do we send with this passive attitude about our sovereignty?

linlithgow on May 28, 2007 at 1:14 AM

Lots of great ideas on this thread. Right now it’s de facto amnesty because our lame congress does nothing. They play the fiddle while American culture is burning.

Mojave Mark on May 28, 2007 at 1:25 AM

Wall.

Fines.

Patrols.

Enforcement.

Repeat, and rinse.

profitsbeard on May 28, 2007 at 2:18 AM

immigration compromise is bad

secure our damn borders…then we’ll talk you fools!

Highrise on May 28, 2007 at 3:13 AM

I just don’t understand the meme that “Deportation is not practical”. “You can’t deport 12 million people”. etc..

Of course you can. Get Ray Nagin’s school buses. Have anyone stopped for a bum tail light that is an illegal held without bond at the county hoosegow until the bus returns from its most recent trip to Laredo. (And the county can send the Feds the bill). Round ‘em up in heavily illegal areas such as LA. If we are serious about enforcing the law, then ENFORCE THE LAW! That is what Americans expect.

Sure we can give amnesty, but not to the immigrants. “Mr. business-owner, we won’t seize your assets and throw you into a cell for employing illegals prior to January 1, 2008. After that, give your soul to the devil because the rest of you belongs to us.” Simple.

HerrMorgenholz on May 28, 2007 at 7:53 AM

How about no amnesty for politicians who vote for this bill or for the hacks who support this shamnesty bill. Send a clear and strong message to Washington DC that a vote for this bill is the end of their careers.

Buzzy on May 28, 2007 at 9:18 AM

Bill Kristol is a BELTWAY MEDIA PERSONAGE ! Why the hell should I care what side of this issue he falls on…my opinion carries just as much weight as his and we both have only 1 vote.

DoctorDentons on May 28, 2007 at 9:41 AM

Nice anlysis Bryan on how to fix the mess. I agree it is fairly simple if these wusses we have running our Government
could take partisan politics out of the equation.

I also agree with the late, Cal. Rep. Sonny Bono’s, take on this matter.

Asked to debate illegal immigration, Sonny replied: “What’s to debate? It’s illegal.”

there it is on May 28, 2007 at 9:52 AM

abinitioadinfinitum

I can honestly say most of them that I have met are very hard working and from what I can tell are all good people. That is not the point.

I hate to pick on you, but this is the point. I cringe everytime I hear someone or Bush say “these are good people.” No they aren’t.

“Good people” don’t ignore laws. These people break our immigration laws by coming here. Just a few examples.

1) They bring children, their children get a free education, free breakfast, and a free lunch program. All paid by taxpayers.

2) They don’t have a family care doctor, they overload our ER system. This again if on the backs of honest taxpayers. These “good people” have caused closures of hospitals in border towns & small towns all across this country.

3) They drive without a driver’s license or insurance. Once again disregarding the laws.

4) They don’t pay their fair share of taxes, relying on US citizens and our taxes to provide for them.

I want them to be good citizens of Mexico and stay there and change laws there. I never wanted to live in Mexico and don’t want this country changed to reward people who break laws.

moonsbreath on May 28, 2007 at 10:56 AM

pocomoco on May 27, 2007 at 8:12 PM – it’s been done already. It’s called the EU, which initially was promised to be a trade organization and completely apolitical, no effect whatsoever on member nation sovereignty. Now, in spite of the fact that the EU Constitution has not been ratified by the majority of member nations, there are no borders, a common currency, and a parliament.

abinitioadinfinitum – welcome home! Good to see another NOLA native come back! If you’re in the Lakeview area let me know, my church has been doing a lot of volunteer work in that area via Beacon of Hope and there may be some way we can serve you.

Laura on May 28, 2007 at 1:03 PM

Finally, someone with a sensible plan to start plugging the open sewer hole on our southern border and making the “Ev’rything free in America” chant a little less obtainable.

Alden Pyle on May 29, 2007 at 7:04 AM

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