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Science! 40-50% of political differences are genetic

posted at 10:59 am on May 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Yes, strange though it may seem, one’s political values aren’t entirely disconnected from one’s personality. Go figure.

Research by John Hibbing, a University of Nebraska political scientist, showed that identical twins share more political beliefs than fraternal twins. They also, of course, share more genes.

“Forty, perhaps 50 percent of our political beliefs seem to have a basis in genetics,” said Hibbing, whose studies were included in Jost’s analysis. While genetics are unlikely to “hardwire” people into being liberal or conservative, Hibbing said that genes could make people more or less likely to have certain values or react to situations in a particular way.

This knowledge could pave the way to a more tolerant society, Hibbing said.

“If you think your opponents are not just being willfully bullheaded but rather have a kind of biological predisposition toward a set of beliefs, you might not spend as much [time] beating your head against the wall trying to get them to change,” he said.


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So, it’s genetics in general or some gene in particular? Because if it’s the latter, it could bring a whole new meaining to social engineering.

TexasDan on May 24, 2007 at 11:02 AM

Ah, biological positivism at its finest. People don’t choose anything, and problem groups (those preventing this tolerant society) need rehabilitation and not punishment.

Wineaholic on May 24, 2007 at 11:04 AM

This just feels so much like nature versus nurture. And hasn’t that already been decided as nearly a 50-50 deal?

Esthier on May 24, 2007 at 11:11 AM

In other words I really shouldn’t hate Al Gore? I must be tolerant toward him, and recognize we disagree because he was born with dumb….I mean liberal….I mean different genes?

soulsirkus on May 24, 2007 at 11:12 AM

If its really genetically based, even if its only a presisposition, then without amnesty and citizenship for illegals, this country would be taking a hard right in the very near future.

Think about it, who are the ones producing children? The Mormons, the hard-core Catholics, and to a slighly lesser extent, the Evangelicals. Who are dumping their “blastocysts” and “clumps of cells” into the dumpsters of America? The libs, the commies, the soc*alists, the feministas, etc.

So, the only way to hold balance is to recruit the muslims and the illegals. Puts a whole new spin on the amnesty for illegals, doesn’t it?

Fatal on May 24, 2007 at 11:12 AM

I uttered my first words right after I was born. They were “i hate taxes”

I guess they have a point here.

lorien1973 on May 24, 2007 at 11:12 AM

This knowledge could pave the way to a more tolerant society, Hibbing said.

Wow. This is pure 24-karat naivete.

Lehosh on May 24, 2007 at 11:13 AM

Perhaps we can genetically engineer whiney liberals out of society altogether.

infidel4life on May 24, 2007 at 11:15 AM

Nonsense. Both my parents are libs, as is my sister.

Kid from Brooklyn on May 24, 2007 at 11:16 AM

Genetics also acoount for insanity running in certain families.
This is all meant to slam the right,no doubt about it, they are looking to force abortions on Conservatives.

bbz123 on May 24, 2007 at 11:18 AM

Perhaps we can genetically engineer whiney liberals out of society altogether.

infidel4life on May 24, 2007 at 11:15 AM

And you do realize the other side is hoping the same thing. I’m not sure why this is “news.” It has been discussed for decades. Or light years. Tolerance only can exist so long as survival is not in jeopardy.

Connie on May 24, 2007 at 11:20 AM

To put bbz123’s comment differently:

If we had genetic testing for conservative political views, liberals would have abortions.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 24, 2007 at 11:22 AM

Nonsense. Both my parents are libs, as is my sister.
Kid from Brooklyn on May 24, 2007 at 11:16 AM

Yes, but if conservativism is a “recessive” gene or trait that both your parents have, you would have a 1 in 4 chance of being conservative.
The genetic breakdown would be:
1 liberal/liberal, 2 liberal/conservative, 1 conservative/conservative. Theoretically, 3 kids would be liberals and one conservative.

Catseye on May 24, 2007 at 11:23 AM

So how do they explain the 18-20-something’s who live at home and go to school on Mommy and Daddy’s dime, who party and smoke dope most of their free waking hours, and are liberal Democrap voters… then they grow up, get a job, cut the umbilical cord and move out of the parents house, get married, start paying bills, start paying taxes, start raising children, then start to vote Conservative?

Aren’t the genes we get, permanent?

SilverStar830 on May 24, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Aren’t the genes we get, permanent?
SilverStar830 on May 24, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Genes may predisposition a person’s personality to make it easier to go one direction or another, but their environment is still a major influence. A slacker converting over to a conservative may just be a sign of growing up, figuring out what they want and becoming more pragmatic about life. Or given the “right” liberal environment, they might become Rosie O’D.

Catseye on May 24, 2007 at 11:30 AM

Deep in the bowels of the underground bunker, Karl Rove was furiously dissecting embryonic stem cells.

“bwaahhahhaha”

And, a wolf howled…

franksalterego on May 24, 2007 at 11:36 AM

Countdown to MSM “news” stories stating as fact that conservatism is “genetic flaw” in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

Simultaneous countdown to MSM “news” stories stating that liberalism is an example of a “more evolved” gene strain in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

Another countdown to Koz Kidz openly and seriously supporting eugenics in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

xardoz on May 24, 2007 at 11:37 AM

Ah. So liberalism really *is* a mental disorder. Gotcha.

Professor Blather on May 24, 2007 at 11:40 AM

Connie on May 24, 2007 at 11:20 AM

When in doubt, regard all my comments as sarcasm, as they usually are.

franksalterego on May 24, 2007 at 11:36 AM

LOL, with Dick Cheney as Igor.

infidel4life on May 24, 2007 at 11:42 AM

The notion that a discovery like this would lead to “tolerance” is inexplicable. There is an even more obvious genetic difference between myself and a cougar. This only means that, when a cougar is intent on eating me, my only recourse is to kill it. I might well understand the cougar’s inclinations, but that in no way entails that I would be rational to tolerate its behavior.

Blacklake on May 24, 2007 at 11:47 AM

So what they’re really saying is that liberalism is on a trajectory for extinction? They don’t get married, they abort their children, or are homosexual and thus don’t reproduce. Meanwhile, conservative families are having lots of kids. Right?

Sydney Carton on May 24, 2007 at 11:48 AM

LOL. Didn’t we just go through this field of expertise jumping with gloobel warmening.

Personally, I prefer the enthnomusicalogist’s take on genetics. They don’t litter quotes as much with “seems” and “perhaps” so as to not make the reporters look stupid when they use “showed” in the introductory paragraph.

So, I see his curious 40%-50% genetic that *seems* to match observations of national voting percentages and raise him a curious 10% genetic and 90% environmental that *perhaps* matches watching the movie “Twins”.

Dusty on May 24, 2007 at 11:49 AM

pressupostions

jp on May 24, 2007 at 12:03 PM

I love that this guy is a poly-sci professor, offering an explanation that dives into genetics.

The notion of using identical twins for socio/political studies is entirely laughable. Identical twins are hardly a representative group for society in general, inasmuch as they have pretty unique relational dynamics. Secret languages, etc.

This is obviously another case of correlation equals causality, nothing more. I’m not sure if I’d rather have these lame studies make a handwaving attempt at offering a causal relationship (what? simply using the word “genetics” doesn’t cover that?) or continue to parade their ignorance.

TexasDan on May 24, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Plus which isn’t there a much stronger correllation with race and political affiliation, or at least some races? What do these guys make of that?

TexasDan on May 24, 2007 at 12:08 PM

If we had genetic testing for conservative political views, liberals would have abortions.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 24, 2007 at 11:22 AM

How is that any different from now?

Stevel on May 24, 2007 at 12:29 PM

OK, So if this is true and my conservatism is hard wired genetically, then clearly, based on tried and true liberal principles, anyone that disagrees with me is a racist.

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 24, 2007 at 12:29 PM

I could have sworn that they were drug induced.

Mazztek on May 24, 2007 at 12:36 PM

How is that any different from now?

Stevel on May 24, 2007 at 12:29 PM

Aren’t liberals aborting their own kids right now? The roe effect and all.

lorien1973 on May 24, 2007 at 12:36 PM

“Forty, perhaps 50 percent of our political beliefs seem to have a basis in genetics,” said Hibbing,

What a bunch of cr@p. Just like everything else that makes up who we are. Part of it is genes the other part is environment. Who is this joker stirring the pot?

4shoes on May 24, 2007 at 12:37 PM

Ah. So liberalism really *is* a mental disorder. Gotcha.

Professor Blather on May 24, 2007 at 11:40 AM

Sums it up well, professor. “Genetics” my arse.

Liberalism is, bottom line, simply a refusal to grow up and take on adult responsibility for the slings and arrows of mortal existence: refusing to look within for answers to what’s bothering them in their lives.

It’s manifested by a collection of psychological avoidance mechanisms – denial, projection and displacement being the top three – as well as a mental laziness that refuses to grapple with what Napoleon Hill called the “Seven Major Negative Emotions” (Anger, Hatred, Jealousy, Greed, Fear, Superstition, Revenge) that, when you think about it, form the basis for much of what liberals constantly feel and express.

Whatever the root cause of the arrested pre-adolescence that is the essence of liberalism – harsh toilet training, not getting that toy they really, really, really wanted for Christmas when they were six, or because when they said, “Mommy, look at me!” mommmy didn’t look – it’s libs’ inability to cope with human nature, personal responsibility and the simple fact that Life Is Not Always Fair that leads them to the infantilism that is their signature characteristic.

In fact, saying “It’s not my fault! It’s my genes, I can’t help it!” is – drumroll, please – simply another avoidance mechanism. Anybody else see a pattern here?

Spurius Ligustinus on May 24, 2007 at 12:41 PM

Can someone – anyone – please help these people understand the difference between correlation and causation?

psrch on May 24, 2007 at 12:45 PM

Another stunning misapplication of Hempel’s Paradox.

This one comes under the heading of when all you have is a hammer, every problem appears to be a nail.

Lost — with little ability to find the path at this point.

.

The Machine on May 24, 2007 at 12:47 PM

Nonsense. Both my parents are libs, as is my sister.

Kid from Brooklyn on May 24, 2007 at 11:16 AM

Same here.

INC on May 24, 2007 at 1:06 PM

Kid from Brooklyn on May 24, 2007 at 11:16 AM

Sounds like your name should be “Kid from Hell”.

right2bright on May 24, 2007 at 1:10 PM

I really hope he is right. A large percentage of younger people tend to be led by their emotions, which is expressed as liberalism. As they mature emotionally, they tend to rely more on facts and logic for decision making, which happily, make them more conservative. It appears that many people never mature emotionally and are doomed to a miserable existance as “adult” liberals. If it is true that liberalism may be caused by a defective gene, shouldn’t we make this a national priority to come up with a cure? We could redirect those involved with embryonic stem cell research to finding a way to eradicate the “liberal gene” in our lifetime. I say “To hell with tolerating this debilitating disease, let’s stop it in its tracks!”

MarkM on May 24, 2007 at 1:11 PM

I predict that Al Gore will revive his comments about the “extra-chromosome” right wing and take credit for this scientific discovery.

Karl on May 24, 2007 at 1:13 PM

So I am not to far off when I say “I hate liberals with every bone in my body”.

right2bright on May 24, 2007 at 1:13 PM

More junk science from “Live Science,” who’s tag line should be … all the politically correct “science” you can stand.

If this is true then why are young people more inclined to be liberal than mature people… do their genes change?

Maxx on May 24, 2007 at 1:15 PM

Explains Rosie I guess.

If this is true then why are young people more inclined to be liberal than mature people… do their genes change?

Maxx on May 24, 2007 at 1:15 PM

Yes, I when from Lee Jeans to Levies Genes. When I reached 40.

Kini on May 24, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Ah, biological positivism at its finest. People don’t choose anything, and problem groups (those preventing this tolerant society) need rehabilitation and not punishment.

Wineaholic on May 24, 2007 at 11:04 AM

As Schaefer said when Material Monism is the worldview, man no longer becomes autonomous but just a small cog in the machine called nature. Free Will is lost.

Tim Burton on May 24, 2007 at 1:24 PM

The notion that a discovery like this would lead to “tolerance” is inexplicable. There is an even more obvious genetic difference between myself and a cougar. This only means that, when a cougar is intent on eating me, my only recourse is to kill it. I might well understand the cougar’s inclinations, but that in no way entails that I would be rational to tolerate its behavior.

Blacklake on May 24, 2007 at 11:47 AM

Excellent analogy !

Maxx on May 24, 2007 at 1:29 PM

lorien1973 on May 24, 2007 at 12:36 PM

Yep! My point exactly.

Stevel on May 24, 2007 at 2:21 PM

Whether or not our conservatism/liberalism/pedophilia is genetically predisposed is immaterial. There are right and wrong answers to civilizational questions. If you’re predisposed to liberalism or pedophilia it doesn’t make it objectively okay or right or legitimate.

jdpaz on May 24, 2007 at 2:37 PM

And once again… the enlightened left brings up eugenics and racism in how to interpret society…

Skywise on May 24, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Liberalism is, bottom line, simply a refusal to grow up and take on adult responsibility for the slings and arrows of mortal existence: refusing to look within for answers to what’s bothering them in their lives.

It’s manifested by a collection of psychological avoidance mechanisms – denial, projection and displacement being the top three – as well as a mental laziness that refuses to grapple with what Napoleon Hill called the “Seven Major Negative Emotions” (Anger, Hatred, Jealousy, Greed, Fear, Superstition, Revenge) that, when you think about it, form the basis for much of what liberals constantly feel and express.

Whatever the root cause of the arrested pre-adolescence that is the essence of liberalism – harsh toilet training, not getting that toy they really, really, really wanted for Christmas when they were six, or because when they said, “Mommy, look at me!” mommmy didn’t look – it’s libs’ inability to cope with human nature, personal responsibility and the simple fact that Life Is Not Always Fair that leads them to the infantilism that is their signature characteristic.

In fact, saying “It’s not my fault! It’s my genes, I can’t help it!” is – drumroll, please – simply another avoidance mechanism. Anybody else see a pattern here?

Spurius Ligustinus on May 24, 2007 at 12:41 PM

Wow – well said. Especially the “arrested pre-adolescence” part.

I concur completely. I long ago concluded that liberalism is fundamentally based in immaturity.

Which is why most people tend to become more conservative as they age, and encounter that real-world reality you describe. Hell, I voted for Dukakis back in the day … and then I grew up.

I honestly believe that all – and I mean all, without exception – liberals are either 1) very young, 2) very immature and stuck in that “arrested pre-adolescence,” 3) part of some societal group that is “owed” something by the government – or think they are (and that is in itself a kind of rampant immaturity), or 4) living their lives in some way that protects them from reality – as in, Hollywood actors, the mega-rich who inherited their wealth … or those who spent their lives in academia.

I believe every single liberal on Earth falls into one of those categories – and that as soon as they leave their category, they’ll almost certainly stop being liberal.

Liberalism cannot survive maturity and reality. Get a job, have a family, work in the real-world … and liberalism becomes laughable.

Professor Blather on May 24, 2007 at 2:58 PM

And after Time Magazine does a cover story on this, they can do a report on how men and women are different. Whoops, they already did that one. Never mind.

dostrick on May 24, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Given that the current “majority” has been voting on a lot of non-binding nonsense lately, versus seriously leading a country and addressing real issues, maybe they’ll focus next on re-engineering those of us in the minority, for now. Thank goodness it would be non-binding too.

Entelechy on May 24, 2007 at 4:23 PM

right2bright on May 24, 2007 at 1:10 PM

Easy, now. The old folks are liberal in a Lou Dobbsish kinda way, and the sister is getting turned out to the dark side as we speak.

Kid from Brooklyn on May 24, 2007 at 4:51 PM

If Hibbing is right, then one overcomes one’s political opponents in two modes, by having children and by depriving one’s opponents of children. It should go without saying that it is bad to do to one’s own in peacetime what would horrify one to do to one’s opponents in wartime. Instead, those Americans who are so pious or piteous as to refuse to kill their unborn infants avoid that necessity by refusing to conceive them in the first place. So “conservative” Americans are out-breeding the “liberals,” and Mexicans are out-breeding the Americans, and muslims are out-breeding them all.

Kralizec on May 24, 2007 at 5:18 PM

Ah. So liberalism really *is* a mental disorder. Gotcha.

Professor Blather on May 24, 2007 at 11:40 AM

Grrr beat me too it! I can’t wait to be able to get past the firewall at work again :) Anyone know how to hack Vista’s parental controls?

- The Cat

P.S. This reminds me of the thing. “Only straight perants have gay children.”

MirCat on May 25, 2007 at 2:31 AM

How did this guy do his research? Sniffing paint and watching the Smurfs?

OK, So if this is true and my conservatism is hard wired genetically, then clearly, based on tried and true liberal principles, anyone that disagrees with me is a racist.

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 24, 2007 at 12:29 PM

Which is, ironically, the very arguement that liberals have been making for the last. . .for my whole life.

Wolfman on May 25, 2007 at 3:45 AM

So how do they explain the 18-20-something’s who live at home and go to school on Mommy and Daddy’s dime, who party and smoke dope most of their free waking hours, and are liberal Democrap voters… then they grow up, get a job, cut the umbilical cord and move out of the parents house, get married, start paying bills, start paying taxes, start raising children, then start to vote Conservative?

Aren’t the genes we get, permanent?

Baldness is genetic too, but it doesn’t typically hit until later in life.

The Unabrewer on May 25, 2007 at 9:19 AM

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