May’s 2008 GOP straw poll
posted at 1:28 pm on May 24, 2007 by Ian
By the way, the results show what readers of all blogs voted for, not just Hot Air’s. I am told site-by-site results will be available some time this evening.
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Ron Paul’s gonna win this poll. ^^
JayHaw Phrenzie on May 24, 2007 at 1:32 PM
Why do they keep puuting ¿fred? and Newt in these polls?
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 1:33 PM
This time I like the poll. After watching the debates, I’ve expanded my list of acceptable candidates, when before I didn’t have a clue who some of them were.
lorien1973 on May 24, 2007 at 1:33 PM
Same.
Ian on May 24, 2007 at 1:35 PM
I agree. SIice the debate, I have moved Huckabee onto my list of acceptables. Prior to the debate, I had no idea who he was.
JayHaw Phrenzie on May 24, 2007 at 1:38 PM
I hate polls, but I’ll use the straw fro my next Margarita, on the rocks, with salt. (ײַ)
Kini on May 24, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Same here. If I have no idea who a candidate is or what they stand for, I label them as unnacceptable.
I really wish they would add another column for “I don’t know enough about this candidate” or something along those lines.
JadeNYU on May 24, 2007 at 1:45 PM
With the web being what it is isnt hard to find info about the candidates.
Im shocked that Paul has such negative numbers. I fully expect the paulitistas to run insanely over and start to “fix” that poll. Only online can the paulitics work.
BTW he sent a reading list to Guiliani today telling him to read some books on the subject of foreign policy before he apologizes to Ron for attacking him on why 911 happened.
Ron Paul book list
William Amos on May 24, 2007 at 1:49 PM
It’s frikken May, fer cryin’ out loud.
locomotivebreath1901 on May 24, 2007 at 1:55 PM
Yeah, I was surprised by that as well – he is getting slammed (I guess his “supporters” want to crash the party late).
Rick on May 24, 2007 at 1:55 PM
You don’t have to choose a response for everyone. I’ve always left several of them blank in the past (until this one) because I didn’t know enough about them to decide, and I didn’t want to skew the results.
I actually like it when they ask gender, too. It doesn’t need to be on every monthly poll, but it gives one more demographic to sort by. And I’m curious where conservative women stand right now.
Tanya on May 24, 2007 at 1:56 PM
I agree about Huckabee. Even though his polling numbers aren’t there, I consider him a top tier candidate, replacing McCain, who is off my list of acceptable candidates. He’s just wearing thin with this immigration deal and his stance on expanded questioning of terror suspects.
But, like always, whoever can beat the leading dem will get my vote for the nomination.
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 1:58 PM
At that site they have links to all the candidates (the ones running). Can get some info there on them.
William Amos on May 24, 2007 at 2:01 PM
Where’s the write in? I wanted to submit my vote for Hasselbeck’s baby feeders looking amazing during the Rosie battle yesterday.
RightWinged on May 24, 2007 at 2:12 PM
No one anywhere NEAR that birdcage liner of an Amnesty bills is getting my vote. And McCain not showing up to vote ain’t foolin’ anyone. Traitor!
tickleddragon on May 24, 2007 at 2:14 PM
Now I feel like an idiot. :)
I always assumed I had to mark every candidate (it’s my Pavlovian response to seeing radio buttons…).
Now I’ll just leave the ones I don’t know enough about blank rather than giving them unnecessary negative numbers.
Of course, with each passing day I know more and more about all the candidates – won’t be long until there aren’t any I’m ambiguous about (unless a new crop of candidates jumps in closer to the elections).
JadeNYU on May 24, 2007 at 2:17 PM
McCain is going to be hard to knock out of the polls gathered by the regular pollsters for one reason. Name recognition, like a lot of folks on here have mentioned is important. McCain is viewed by the liberals, Dems and the MSM as the “Republican Candidate Least Likely to Cause Mass Suicide Among Dems if Elected.” For that reason the media gives him more then his fair share of air time and devote more stories to him in order to promote the preception that McCain is “Da Man”. I also have no doubt they run internal polls which are showing that in a head to head with Clinton, McCain would be the loser, but just like the reason given above even if he does manage to beat Hillary the Dems still won’t have lost.
If the media put as much effort in the propaganda effort against extremist Islam as they do promoting a lame duck Republican candidate this whole thing in Iraq would have been done 2 years ago.
LakeRuins on May 24, 2007 at 2:25 PM
I’m kinda surprised the Ron Zombies haven’t spammed the poll yet either… With so many other polls excluding him on purpose, one would expect a quicker response.
Lehosh on May 24, 2007 at 2:26 PM
So that conservatives can participate too.
saint kansas on May 24, 2007 at 2:30 PM
tickle, again you make so much sense
Bryan, maybe you should put the Dems in the poll so we can send it to our Senators to show them their future, since they have been selling us down the river for so long.
abinitioadinfinitum on May 24, 2007 at 2:40 PM
Ba dum bump … good one!
thirteen28 on May 24, 2007 at 2:40 PM
McCain is racing Paul to the basement. Excellent.
TexasDan on May 24, 2007 at 2:48 PM
Comment of the week.
TexasDan on May 24, 2007 at 2:48 PM
Dan,
The day he announces he is withdrawing I will throw a small party.
Bill C on May 24, 2007 at 2:56 PM
Why include Fred Thompson if he’s not running? Why not just add Pontius Pilate too while they’re at it?
Vincenzo on May 24, 2007 at 3:16 PM
Ya Know? I am with YOU Csdeven!!!!
If ya aint gonna debate and ya aint gonna say yer runnin’…
Why the hell not put MY name on the frickin’ straw poll too?
Git in or Git OUT!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on May 24, 2007 at 3:45 PM
Heh Im glad they put in the “Who do you find unacceptible)
That Paulites cant spin that as well
Currently
Ron Paul- FOR 163 (8%) Against 1639 (80.6%)
William Amos on May 24, 2007 at 3:55 PM
That paulites are storming the Castle. Ron Paul has moved into 3rd place with the “1st choice”
William Amos on May 24, 2007 at 4:28 PM
Yeah, I with you both. Ron Paul is a more viable candidate just because he is announced.
Only fools vote for people who aren’t even candidates. It’s mental masterbation for groupies.
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 4:44 PM
Ever hear of a write in? May not get elected… but who else am I supposed to support?
McCain… traitor on illegal immigration and free speech.
Gulaganni… Ran a sanctuary city, anti gun, not prolife.
Romney… Flips and flops…
Tancredo… unelectable candidate…
I’d rather do a write in for Newt or FRED! than anyone else on the list… Repubs need to get their chit together.
Last election two elections I voted AGAINST the Dems, not for the Repubs running… and see where its got us? Repubs need better candidates.
Romeo13 on May 24, 2007 at 4:56 PM
To P*$$ you off!
The Ritz on May 24, 2007 at 4:58 PM
I voted, even if I know it is all bullsh*t. We all know that no matter who is the next Republican president, The captain of the ship will be…Carl Rove
Ropera on May 24, 2007 at 5:04 PM
Ron Paul is getting 7.8% right now. Wow! That is twice as much as he gets from polling done by any reputable polling firms.
Fred is da man! He is saying all of the right things at the right time, and isn’t foolish enough to run a 2 year long campaign. I’ve still got my fingers crossed in the hopes that Newt will run. He would truly elevate the level of the national debate, and give Hillary an ulcer.
DannoJyd on May 24, 2007 at 5:26 PM
csdeven,
As long as you continued to claim that your tirades were “a jab at friends”, all is well. Now you’ve called a bunch of those same people fools. Grow up, boy, it’s a STRAW POLL. In case you hadn’t heard, those are intended to gauge the feeling of a demographic. It ain’ scientific, and it ain’t official, so it ain’t no big deal.
On topic, Giuliani’s +/- numbers are shrinking fast. The blog-wide results, while still very early on this one, have him only +296 out of 2624 who marked a preference in his case.
Freelancer on May 24, 2007 at 5:28 PM
It may piss you off that I don’t bow at freddie boys feet, but don’t make the mistake of thinking I am pissed at ¿fred?. I am holding him accountable for his blathering rhetoric.
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 5:40 PM
Yeah, you’re right. Fools is the wrong word. Silly is what I should have wrote.
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 5:42 PM
No, only fools aren’t savvy enough to recognise who’s going to be in the race but simply didn’t announce early like some of the weaker candidates.
Well, to be fair I should say fools and irrelevant, bitter trolls.
Hollowpoint on May 24, 2007 at 5:48 PM
Right. That definitely accounts for the 20 posts a day trolling with almost the same exact criticism each time that he hasn’t yet announced and rode around in a pickup truck that he didn’t own during his Senate campaign. His numerous written articles, radio commentary and speeches? Not so trollworthy I guess.
Hollowpoint on May 24, 2007 at 5:55 PM
csdeven isn’t a troll, I’ll say that for him. Why he has chosen troll-like behavior on this topic is anyone’s guess. Maybe his preferred candidate is being trounced in the straw polls and it hurts him, I don’t know. Maybe he really is just poking folks in the eye for fun, I don’t know. But when he calls folks fools for their opinion, in a very serious tone, it’s a different story.
What’s silly is feeling the need to exhibit such passion over such a non-issue as who is and isn’t announced more than 500 days from the election. Al Gore hasn’t announced yet either, and you can be sure he’s running. Bill Clinton hadn’t announced his candidacy for 1992 until not long before Iowa, where the response to him was pretty much “Who?”. That sure proves that waiting makes one non-viable, eh?
Freelancer on May 24, 2007 at 6:12 PM
Now that right there is funny… even you gotta admit that CS. Commmmme onnnnnnn…admit it. Snark at it’s very best.
tickleddragon on May 24, 2007 at 6:14 PM
Note “none” is in 8th place in the field of 12. That’s who I vote for next time if Fred¡ still hasn’t announced.
Valiant on May 24, 2007 at 6:28 PM
The Ron Paul folks are giving it their best shot. Snapshot a few moments ago on the results showed that only 410 of 2913 who marked up or down for paul considered him an acceptable choice, and 345 of those picked him as their first choice.
So even though the he’s sitting in 3rd place, responses are running 86% negative against him, the largest opposing numbers in this month’s poll. That’s called narrow appeal.
On the other hand, while 45% of those who named a first choice pick Fred!, 83% of all responders find him acceptable. That’s called broad appeal.
The bottom line in this snapshot is that were this a two-person race between Ron Paul and ANYONE else on the list, everyone else would crush him like a tidal wave, with the exception of…John McCain, who’s running 84% negative responses right now.
Freelancer on May 24, 2007 at 6:52 PM
Cool think is only 12% of Pauls votes are positive. And that is with all the spamming his supporters have going on
William Amos on May 24, 2007 at 6:56 PM
I wasn’t sure how to take that, so I pushed back juuuust a little bit to see what I got in return. I was hoping a smily face or sumpin’. :-)
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 6:57 PM
Actually, all my guys are in good shape. I would like to see what the polls look like when only announced candidates are included.
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 6:59 PM
¿fred? has already earned the unnaceptable vote from me. Newt too.
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 7:01 PM
Judging by the way the numbers are shifting, it seems that the Ron Paul supporters are marking EVERYONE else in the poll as unaccetable. It isn’t helping, really.
And I will SO enjoy the poll results that matter, on 11/4/08, when we’re all (you included) cheering for President-elect Thompson.
Freelancer on May 24, 2007 at 7:38 PM
You can always dream. And yeah, if he is, I’ll be cheering.
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Ron Paul and John F___ McCain are leading in the polls! Well, they are leading in being unacceptable …
McCain -2351 -61.1%
Paul -2288 -59.5%
DannoJyd on May 24, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Remind me again why Ron Paul is even included? I’d bet that if you checked the IP logs of the Ron Paul votes, you’d find many numerous votes from the same network in regular time intervals as did Charles at LGF found- they vote, disconnect, reconnect with different IP, and vote again. And again. And again.
With around 1% support in real polls, I don’t see his being included as worth the hassle.
Hollowpoint on May 24, 2007 at 7:56 PM
DannoJyd, don’t look at that % column on the left, it’s the most useless number presented on the results page. Use the raw acceptable/unacceptable numbers:
McCain 532 acceptable / 2883 unacceptable
Paul 507 acceptable / 2795 unacceptable
That’s 85% voting against in both cases.
Those -61.1% and -59.5% numbers are gotten by dividing the net difference between acceptable and unacceptable numbers into the total number of responses. So if a candidate had 50% for both acceptable/unacceptable (Tancredo is close to that), that result would be a zero. That result is weak for analytical purposes. Plus it doesn’t account for people who chose not to respond one way or the other to that candidate.
Freelancer on May 24, 2007 at 8:05 PM
Funny thing is even with all the spamming by the Paulites their guy still has the fewest number of positive votes out of all the candidates.
William Amos on May 24, 2007 at 8:13 PM
Freelancer, the most useless numbers are every single one in that poll. Ron Paul has yet to get beyond 5% in the pretty reliable national polls yet he seems to do much beter in this one. How can that be?
I have high hopes for Fred. That doesn’t mean that I’ll accept this poll blindly.
DannoJyd on May 24, 2007 at 8:57 PM
Oh, I know that noone here will accept a straw poll blindly. Just saying the number in that particular column is poorly derived and of little value.
Of course the poll itself isn’t reality, especially now that the Paul folks are gaming it. I see at last snapshot that only 29 respondents who didn’t mark him their first choice consider him acceptable. Try as they might, this comes through.
Freelancer on May 24, 2007 at 9:11 PM
Freelancer, csdeven will then fly to San Diego and we’ll wine and dine him/her, and all will be forgiven :)
Entelechy on May 24, 2007 at 9:20 PM
The day after the nomination, all will be forgiven.
Cheers!
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Ron Paul has moved into 2nd place with “First Choice”
They kept on going and going
William Amos on May 24, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Ummm…
Where’s Condi??
Fred and Newt are running??????
Lothar on May 24, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Paul is now over 1,000 “First choice” votes and is in second place and rapidly climbing.
I think we can offical call Paul that SPAM candidate
William Amos on May 24, 2007 at 11:57 PM
For fun click on this link to see the madcap wackiness
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William Amos on May 25, 2007 at 12:04 AM
Hey, can I be invited to that too. I think CS and I owe each other drinks too. ;)
tickleddragon on May 25, 2007 at 12:08 AM
doesn’t unacceptable mean that you wouldn’t vote for them, even if they were the nominee? I won’t vote for McCain (self-serving jerk) or Guliani (actaully a leftist except defense/law and order). If one of them gets it, I won’t be voting next year.
urbancenturion on May 25, 2007 at 12:09 AM
Madame Hitlery gets the coronation. We’re gonna have all the fun this election cycle. Let’s face it, when all is said and done, we’re all gonna vote for the Republican no matter who it is. There may be a few Losertarian party members but the rest of us will be riding the elephant. Hopefully we won’t be scooping up elephant dung in November.
Mojave Mark on May 25, 2007 at 12:29 AM
If we win, all of HA is invited, including the trolls. San Diego is beautiful at any time in the year.
tickleddragon, you’ll get a seat at the head table, right next to csdeven.
Entelechy on May 25, 2007 at 12:38 AM
First rounds on me. :-)
csdeven on May 25, 2007 at 1:00 AM
Hmm, where to go, where to go, where to go…
Freelancer on May 25, 2007 at 1:56 AM
Want to see the spamming in action? Go the the GOP Straw Poll results page, look for the list of linked candidate names grouped as Supporters of:, and click on each name to see how those who picked each candidate as first choice viewed the other candidates in terms of acceptable/unacceptable. When you get to Ron Paul, you’ll know…
BTW, I got an email from Mark Noonan (GOPBloggers.com):
I’m certain he means pro-Paul spamming, not that it would be ordered by Congressman Paul himself, in case anyone thinks it reads that way.
Freelancer on May 25, 2007 at 2:04 AM
Ya Know? I am with YOU Csdeven!!!!
The unspoken reason. “Please run; here’s why.”
- The Cat
P.S. Please run; here’s why.
MirCat on May 25, 2007 at 2:41 AM
P.P.S. Formatting error, I am not with Csdeven on this.
MirCat on May 25, 2007 at 2:42 AM
Hey, this is all in fun.
Thanks for putting a cool poll up. It’s nice to be in a poll for once :P
/snicers
Highrise on May 25, 2007 at 2:58 AM
Fantastic! Sounds like a plan!
tickleddragon on May 25, 2007 at 10:53 AM
Y’know, when I looked at the Hotair results and compared it to the whole blogosphere, I noticed something interesting: on the blogosphere one, Paul was at the top, but at the same time had one of the most increasing rates of disapproval. This tells me, in turn that the concept of Paul supporters (a.k.a. “spammers”) are really milking their candidate for all its worth, while simultaneously all the real Republicans are indicating exactly what they think of him. That alone can explain Paul’s dual approval/ disapproval ratings.
gwallensky on May 25, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Ahem, allow me to revise a part: Paul had the least amount of candidate acceptability, not disapproval (sorry), but the point of my point is still the same.
gwallensky on May 25, 2007 at 12:47 PM