Is the amnesty bill’s “points system” a sham? Update: Senate votes to retain “sanctuary cities”
posted at 12:45 pm on May 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
Sure is, says Stanley Kurtz, who’s got the best piece today in NRO’s ongoing full-court press. Kate O’Beirne’s hearing that there are already “about 60″ votes in favor, and today’s editorial emphasizes that the bill grants amnesty as soon as it’s enacted, not when the border-enforcement “triggers” (which are merely spending targets anyway, not hard results-based targets) are satisfied. That’s sort of true and sort of not: per section 601(h), an alien isn’t given probationary status until he formally applies for a Z visa, which many of them won’t do if they can’t afford the $5K fine or don’t want to risk having to go back home to receive their visa. But NRO’s right that once the application is filed, they can’t be deported. Quoting section 601(h)(1)(C):
[An alien who files an application for Z nonimmigrant status] may not be detained for immigration purposes, determined inadmissible or deportable, or removed pending final adjudication of the alien’s application, unless the alien is determined to be ineligible for Z nonimmigrant status…
NRO asks what happens to illegals who are on probationary status if the government never reaches the enforcement triggers. Do they stay probies forever or go back to being illegal? Or would “compassion” require that we immediately legalize them to help bring them out of the shadows of probation? You know the answer.
But back to Kurtz. Remember, the big innovation in the bill, and the supposed sop to conservatives, is that they’ve done away with family unification as the key criterion for green cards and replaced it with a “points system” based on education and job skills. Minor detail, says Kurtz: that transition won’t happen for another eight years, during which time the unholy union of business interests and open-borders tools will have plenty of time to kill the “points system” entirely.
Listen to the liberal San Francisco Chronicle: Kennedy is “among the craftiest lawmakers in the Senate. His aides insisted the family-based system will remain intact. For the next eight years, they said, the proposal would award 75 percent of new green cards to family members to clear the existing backlogs.”
So one of the key conservative victories in the grand immigration bargain is in reality a defeat. The advertised shift from family unification (currently 60 percent of legal immigration) to a merit-based point system actually disguises a 15-percent increase in family-based immigration…
And there’s more. Kennedy’s got a failsafe mechanism that his aides haven’t mentioned yet. The proposed merit-based point system could be openly cut back in favor of a return to family unification, but there’s a smarter and more subtle way to kill the compromise. The point system can be subverted from within.
While the point totals allocated for employment-related criteria (47), education (28), knowledge of English (15), and family connections (10) have been revealed, no one has yet said how many points it takes to achieve a passing grade. If it takes 70 out of 100 points to pass, then the “new” (eight years from now!) system would clearly favor highly-educated immigrants. But if the “pass mark” is, say, only 30 points, then with 10 points allocated for family relationships, the supposed merit-based system would end up admitting pretty much the same folks who are already coming in under the family reunification policy. Clever, huh?
The LA Times quotes Congressional aides as saying the pass mark will probably end up being 55, and what’s more, the points for “family connections” won’t be taken into account until they already have 55 points in other areas. Expect that to change as amendments are offered this week and next, but it’s worth flagging now to make the comparisons easier later between what they started with and what they finally ended up with. Meanwhile, a question arises: Could the Democrats pack so much amnesty into the bill that even Bush would have to consider vetoing? Trent Lott thinks/hopes so and is urging the president to draw a line in the sand, to the grim amusement of his fellow congressional Republicans:
The former Senate Republican leader said he told Mr. Bush this in a recent conversation, telling the president “it’s important you emphasize that you want immigration reform, but not just any immigration reform.”
But other Republicans laughed at that notion, saying there is no way Mr. Bush would veto a bill that reaches his desk.
“Whatever might be described as ‘comprehensive immigration reform,’ if it is put in front of the president, it will be the equivalent of hanging a pork chop in front of a hungry dog,” said Rep. Steve King, Iowa Republican.
Mel Martinez’s sub-moronic comment about amnesty saving the GOP is also getting strong reactions, but not in the vein of amusement.
I’ll leave you with George Will’s column today, which offers up this little chestnut about the myth that a population of illegals is needed if only to support the welfare state:
On Monday, however, Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation stunned some senators who heard his argument that continuing, under family-based immigration, to import a low-skilled population will cost the welfare state far more than the immigrants’ contributions to the economy and government. He argued that low-skilled immigrants are costly to the welfare state at every point in their life cycle and are very costly when elderly. Just the 9 million to 10 million adults already here illegally will, if given amnesty, cost an average of $300,000 — cumulatively, more than $2.5 trillion– in various entitlements (Social Security, food stamps, Medicaid, housing, etc.) over 30 years.
Update: Norm Coleman offered an amendment today that would have required local law enforcement to simply ask about immigration status during investigations and then report the information to federal authorities. Final vote: 49-48 against. McCain did the right thing on this one. Go read Captain Ed to see how our friend Mel Martinez, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, did.
Seven Republicans voted with the majority. Like Ed says, if any two had switched their vote, the amendment would have passed.










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55 points, and with any increase of demo’s in congress it will be 40, that 35, than 30. What stops it from being 20?
Goldberg’s book title is right on “Wimps to the right of me”.
right2bright on May 24, 2007 at 12:54 PM
Of course it’s a sham–why should the “points system” be any different than the rest of the bill?
ReubenJCogburn on May 24, 2007 at 1:05 PM
Well, that’s just craptastic good news.
I couldn’t really get more disgusted with this bill, unless I had a dial that went to 11.
TexasDan on May 24, 2007 at 1:06 PM
So If I get this right, the Dems want anyone that will vote for them to be allowed to vote, which in this case (for now) means being a citizen. Like everything else from human life to loyalty to this country, citizenship is cheapened for the good of the common people.
Hening on May 24, 2007 at 1:06 PM
Can you say, bamboozled?
Kennedy delivered a truckload of liberal perversion and Republican Senators raised their hand for a yea vote, a lot of them raised their hand.
You are kidding, George was dreaming that he had his hand on a pen to sign a blanket amnesty when jetliners crashed into the twin towers.
Speakup on May 24, 2007 at 1:22 PM
So all of our calls to Senators have done exactly nothing. Time to start on the House.
PRCalDude on May 24, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Here’s the paper, it’s a great piece of work:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/sr14.cfm
peski on May 24, 2007 at 1:24 PM
Bush was saying in his PC this morning it’s impossible to deport 12 million people. How would he know, it’s never been tried. I definitley smell a new cabinet position on the way.
In California whites are now the minority and LA is a third world country. The mayor, Villaraigosa is being groomed to be our next governor when Arnold terms out. I’m rambling and feeling sorry for myself, I do have a point though.
I’ve lived here for 53 years and have seen first hand the Mexicanization of our culture. I would like to point out a couple of falacies about our neighbors to the south. They are not jumping our border to get work. There is no work here for them to come to. On any given street corner at any time of day several hundred unemployed Mexicans are waiting to be solicited for work. Statewide this equates into tens of thousands who came here with no specific job in mind. What they do have in mind are the social programs and free money available if they can only enter here illegally and successfully. Anyone who says these people are coming here for the work is a fool. Why work when the government will guarantee your education, medical, groceries etc. THAT is the draw not the work!
My other puzzel is the outcry over a $5,000 fine. They can’t afford it, they’re poor, it’s discrimination…LOL. If you can afford 10 grand to pay a coyote to sneak you across you can find the $5k to stay here legally. I’ve lived in Ca. all of my life but like alot of pale faces I’m leaving. The handwriting is on the wall here and written boldly in spray paint.
repvoter on May 24, 2007 at 1:35 PM
*vomits
Theworldisnotenough on May 24, 2007 at 1:45 PM
Was the October 2006 bill to build 856 miles of double fence a sham? I think you can answer your own question.
tarpon on May 24, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Writing, calling, faxing, sending a brick falls on deaf ears. What Oh What is a Congressman to do? Does he/she cast their vote for the business’ that paid for their campaign or the people that voted at the ballot box? That’s an easy question to answer for an individual with a conscience and a set of values but we’re talking about the United States Congress and that is an entirely different animal.
I would love to rant all day but have to get to work and pay for little Jose’s education. Adios…
repvoter on May 24, 2007 at 2:12 PM
Watch Mike, stick his finger down his throat and puke on pictures of our elected traitors. next step is securing license to carry following by a new W-4 claiming 99 dependents. I’ll be damned if I’ll be taxed for the Bush wet dream.
MikeG on May 24, 2007 at 2:20 PM
That underscores what a whole sham this thing is, for despite whatever enforcement provisions there are in the bill, W. and the bill’s supporters have absolutely no intention whatsoever of implementing them in good faith. There actions have already spoken louder than any words they can ever say at this point.
What I’m wondering now is whether or not taking away the stick of enforcement will in turn undermine the carrot of amnesty. It would seem that for most illegals that there is no incentive to come forward, return to their home country, pay the fines and back taxes, etc., when, sans the unenforced “enforcement” provisions, there are no consequences to simply remaining illegal, while playing by the new rules could concievable cost them $1000′s (assuming those provisions are implemented in good faith, of which I am skeptical).
Why should someone play by the new rules, when the new rules will cost them and/or will not be enforced, especially after getting by with breaking the old (unenforced) rules for so long? There is simply no incentive.
thirteen28 on May 24, 2007 at 2:20 PM
Lame…
Wade on May 24, 2007 at 2:34 PM
Actualy, theres a provision in the bill that states while the Z1 Visa program is getting up and running, that if an illegal is brought before an immigration judge, then it will be assumed that they meet the Z1 requirements, and will NOT be deported. The Judge is FORCED by this bill to NOT deport them.
It also says that after the Z1 is enacted and running, if they are brought before a judge, they will be given an opportunity to apply for the Z1…. and with only needing 2 forms of “proof” (and those can be affidavits from non family members) of their being here… insta Z1…
So, yes, this does give them immediate amnesty.
Romeo13 on May 24, 2007 at 2:46 PM
Rush Limbaugh was just making a similar case – Look to CA to see what will happen to the entire country under this bill, was his main point.
TheBigOldDog on May 24, 2007 at 2:47 PM
Senate votes to retain “sanctuary cities”
This is literally flabbergasting … is it time to march on Washington yet? Can we bring tarring and feathering back in style?
I need help removing this big ass knife from my back.
darwin on May 24, 2007 at 2:57 PM
The sanctuary cities travesty is complete insanity. (among many insane items – incredibly).
“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”
How does a country exist with a set of laws that are purposely ignored by certain locales? Democratic Left controlled cities are openly flouting US law.
Isn’t this the precuser to Sharia enclaves?
“Thank you” Democrat Party, so blind to power they do not care what they destroy in the process.
America is a unique system, not seen much at all, in all of human history. Mexico is more in line with typical human governance – elites sitting on huge wealth, little upward mobility for the seething masses. If the Left succeeds in wrecking what made America great, then a government for the people, by the people and of the people, will not be seen again.
naliaka on May 24, 2007 at 3:03 PM
re: the amendment failure, it just goes to show that Congress has no real interest in enforcing the law. You can bet that any provision in this POS bill isn’t worth the paper it is printed on and won’t last a second longer than this Congress, if that, before they start changing all the rules.
Throw all these bums out and elect used car salesmen so I can get some sleep at night.
Dusty on May 24, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Oh I can’t wait to see the roll call on this one. Somebody’s gonna have some ‘splainin to do to their constituents when they vote for something like this.
It’s also demonstrates how completely they lack seriousness on the enforcement side of the equation.
thirteen28 on May 24, 2007 at 3:11 PM
re the amendment:
Wow… strike three against the rule of law…
Bush won’t enforce…
House won’t give money to enforce…
And the Senate votes against enforcment…
wow…
Romeo13 on May 24, 2007 at 3:12 PM
It’s the limbo Senate.
How Looow can you go?
Speakup on May 24, 2007 at 3:22 PM
Roll Call on the Amendment (Coleman Amdt. No. 1158 ).
INC on May 24, 2007 at 3:25 PM
I think this Sanctuary City is an idea whose time has come. Why restrict it to just one class of lawbreaker. In the future, I can see Sanctuary Cities for:
Murder (Detroit)
Rape (Denver)
Child Molestation (Whatever City Michael Jackson is in)
Just pick your crime and a different city awaits. It is not fair to restrict this benefit to one class of criminal.
JayHaw Phrenzie on May 24, 2007 at 3:35 PM
I’d say put the wagons in a circle, but where do you put the circle?
Buck Turgidson on May 24, 2007 at 3:43 PM
Texas?
RushBaby on May 24, 2007 at 3:51 PM
I’m for the wagon circle… Y’all let me know where to be and WHEN!!
tickleddragon on May 24, 2007 at 4:05 PM
Grouped By Vote Position YEAs —48
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lott (R-MS)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Warner (R-VA)
NAYs —49
Akaka (D-HI)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (R-SC)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting – 3
Brownback (R-KS)
Johnson (D-SD)
Thomas (R-WY)
thirteen28 on May 24, 2007 at 4:05 PM
Seems we’re all a little busy with our own big a$$ knives in our backs. Sheesh…they REALLY don’t want to keep their jobs, do they?
tickleddragon on May 24, 2007 at 4:06 PM
Yeah. But don’t dare suggest it’s a desire to create an NAU (by default).
Naw. That’s just crazy talk.
Gregor on May 24, 2007 at 4:21 PM
I called the White House; the phone was initially busy, then I got through and had to wait on hold for several minutes. Spoke with a nice guy and said I was ashamed of the President and his behaviour, that he wants to grant privileges that citizens nowadays don’t have, etc.
He said he would pass it along, and thanked me. I told him to have a nice day, especially since he’s probably getting a lot of calls like mine complaining. He said he was and thanked me for the good wishes.
My husband can’t get through to ask his name be removed from the RNC mail/call lists and the mailbox is empty.
I can’t believe the traitorous Republicans that voted with the Dems on this one. Shameful.
linlithgow on May 24, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Welcome to North Carolina, moved here from California a few years ago and never regretted it.
Great observation on Mexicans coming to work, on most any street corner at a Home Depot center you have dozens of Mexicans wanting to labor. You have “work centers” like in CCosta Mesa that are specific areas for Mexican immigrants (read illegals) to hang out to get work.
They are here for the government benefits, and that is what Kennedy is offering them (and McCain, and Bush sadly).
right2bright on May 24, 2007 at 4:58 PM
Sadly, NC is overrun with the little buggers too.
You know, any given day, IF they were enforcing the laws, the could go to the local Aldi store and round up more that a huge gaggle.
tickleddragon on May 24, 2007 at 5:32 PM
You know…every day is “Anchor Baby Day” at Aldi’s. ;)
tickleddragon on May 24, 2007 at 5:33 PM
A few more days and I’ll be registering Independent (or Federalist).
Tim Burton on May 24, 2007 at 5:42 PM
I received some fundraising letters the last couple of days. This morning I went to a shop and ordered a bunch of rubber stamps — a big one saying REJECTED and smaller ones with brief reasons. When the shop owner saw the text for the smaller ones he told me he’d have them ready tomorrow. I’ll be sending back their requests tomorrow afternoon.
Dusty on May 24, 2007 at 5:50 PM
This is just bull crap!!! Come here ILLEGALY, against the law, you know committing a crime! And they will eventually get a free pass plus all the free amenities to go along with it. BULLSH*T!!!!!!!!!!!
ChrisIansNana on May 24, 2007 at 5:54 PM
Hey hey, I want some of those too! Great idea….
tickleddragon on May 24, 2007 at 6:04 PM
Roll Call on the Amendment (Coleman Amdt. No. 1158 ).
INC on May 24, 2007 at 3:25 PM
Vice-president hopeful Lindsey Graham voted “nay”. Tsk, tsk, tsk…I will wet myself when SC votes him out!
SouthernGent on May 24, 2007 at 6:28 PM
What’s old Byrd doing on our side? I forgive every mean thing I ever said about the old –er–gentleman.
dhimwit on May 24, 2007 at 6:30 PM
What’s old Byrd doing on our side? I take back every mean thing I ever said about the old –er–gentleman.
dhimwit on May 24, 2007 at 6:30 PM
Is that send a brick campain still operational?
Resolute on May 24, 2007 at 6:35 PM
My thoughts on where this is going, after anarchy sets in, something will rise up, from the mess that was America the muslim fascists will succeed. Sorry to be so depressing, but that’s how I feel.
4shoes on May 24, 2007 at 6:36 PM
Set the picket fence back up at the Alamo.
Buck Turgidson on May 24, 2007 at 6:55 PM
I saw the 49/48 vote on the ammendments. My question is “where the H… were Brownback and Thomas when they were taking these votes?
duff65 on May 24, 2007 at 7:08 PM
Covering their cowardly a$$es for the next election?
csdeven on May 24, 2007 at 7:26 PM
This bill effectively grants amnesty to all illegals within our borders the moment it goes into effect because it contains a presumption that any and all illegals are eligible for the program and cannot be detained or deported. Don’t forget this applies to each and every nationality including Palestinians, Iranians, Syrians etc. who decide to wander across our borders as well as the 30 Mexicans living in the trailer down the road. There is no time limit by which an illegal has to make application for his or her “amnesty visa” so border crossing will continue on in greater and greater numbers. Bush and Robert Pastor’s vision of a North American
CommunityUnion looks very much like a reality these days, can the “Amero” be far behind?Buzzy on May 24, 2007 at 7:31 PM
NTWR on May 24, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Ooopps, screwed up the quote.
NTWR on May 24, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Jaibones on May 24, 2007 at 8:18 PM
Allah, did any of the GOP panty wastes explain their support for sanctuary cities?
Jaibones on May 24, 2007 at 8:19 PM
And just think, we’re paying these imbeciles.
profitsbeard on May 25, 2007 at 12:46 AM
What a bad joke. We have a bill that requires aliens to go home, register, and come back and promises to enforce our laws, yet it tells cities and counties that they won’t be forced to comply.
Remember this when these RINOs and Democrats promise that the border will be enforced after a guest worker program will be in place.
And if you don’t get into the guest worker program, just cross the border illegally and come to sanctuary cities and counties.
januarius on May 25, 2007 at 7:10 AM
Thanks to el Presidente Bush, this country will go into a major decline extremely fast. But don’t worry, the liberal elitists and the RINO elitists will have their slave underclass…and isn’t that the most important thing? Now, who are the bigots here?
lynnv on May 25, 2007 at 7:55 AM
Fading fast…approaching insanity over these suicidal f*cks in the Senate.
Jaibones on May 25, 2007 at 11:19 AM
Why should they do anything about sanctuary cities? the Jihadist are going to take care of them for us.
jp on May 25, 2007 at 1:12 PM
And another problem…
Social Security ‘Totalization’ Agreement with Mexico Would Cost $207 Billion, New Study Says
Connie on May 25, 2007 at 1:47 PM
oops…trying again
Social Security ‘Totalization’ Agreement with Mexico Would Cost $207 Billion, New Study Says
Connie on May 25, 2007 at 1:48 PM
Amnesty doesn’t make you a citizen
tomas on May 25, 2007 at 2:32 PM
Yeah I sorta knew they weren’t real serious about immigration if they still want sanctuary cities to thumb their nose and hide illegals.
Highrise on May 25, 2007 at 11:58 PM
Our government is becoming like the Mexican government, completely detached from the people and their needs. Illegals are 1 out of 20. I think 19 people can get together and throw one out, don’t you?
Mojave Mark on May 28, 2007 at 2:06 AM
It just makes no sense that they’d develop a bill NOT to deal with sanctuary cities.
C’mon you fools in congress, even little ole me knows about THEM.
assholes
Highrise on May 28, 2007 at 3:19 AM