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Boehner: The amnesty bill is a “piece of sh*t”; Update: Public opposes bill, 48-26; Update: Senate cuts guest worker program in half

posted at 9:23 am on May 23, 2007 by Allahpundit
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What’s the opposite of heart-ache?

House Minority Leader John Boehner, speaking to a private gathering of Republican activists last night, called the Senate’s immigration compromise bill a “piece of shit” but said that he had promised President Bush earlier in the day that he would let his teeth be a barrier to such thoughts in public.

Boehner spoke last night at a small reception for the Republican Rapid Responders on Capitol Hill.

“I promised the President today that I wouldn’t say anything bad about … this piece of shit bill,” he said, according to two attendees.

He’d better start saying it because they had a filibuster-proof 64 votes yesterday to defeat an amendment that would have stripped the guest worker program from the bill. The Times takes that as a sign that there’s a solid majority willing to support the bill in its entirety; if they had lost on the guest worker program, the whole thing might have crumbled. WashTimes notes that most Republicans were among the 64, too, the lure of cheap labor apparently too sweet to resist.

But that doesn’t mean they’re the chief problem. I’ll leave you with this tidbit from Hotline. Your president:

A senior Republican official said yesterday that while the chances of the bill, which opens pathways to citizenship for most of the U.S.’s 12 million illegal immigrants, are “50/50″ in the House and that the White House would spend its time lobbying Democrats, rather than Republicans, to achieve a majority.

Update: Fox says they’ve confirmed Hotline’s report. He said it.

Update: The first poll is in. A piece of sh*t indeed.

The measure is opposed by 47% of Republicans, 51% of Democrats, and 46% of those not affiliated with either major party.

The enforcement side of the debate is clearly where the public passion lies on the issue. Seventy-two percent (72%) of voters say it is Very Important for “the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal immigration.” That view is held by 89% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats, and 63% of unaffiliated voters…

Still, 65% of voters would be willing to support a compromise including a “very long path to citizenship” provided that “the proposal required the aliens to pay fines and learn English” and that the compromise “would truly reduce the number of illegal aliens entering the country.”…

These survey results are consistent with other recent polling data showing that most Americans favor an enforcement-only reform bill. Support drops when a “path to citizenship” is added to the mix.

Update: They passed Jeff Bingaman’s amendment to the guest worker program, which cuts the annual number from 400,000 to 200,000. That’s something the Republicans will try to point to now as proof that they’re taking “tough” measures to limit the number of new illegals.


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jubilation

Ann on May 23, 2007 at 9:26 AM

That’s funny…I don’t feel very jubilant.

Jaibones on May 23, 2007 at 9:32 AM

What’s the opposite of heart-ache?

Heart-throb.

Theworldisnotenough on May 23, 2007 at 9:33 AM

It is exactly what Boenhor said. This bill is, bottom line, really really bad for our country. And Bush the elitist and his elitist liberal friends would like nothing better than to get their underclass of uneducated slaves.

lynnv on May 23, 2007 at 9:37 AM

Ok. So, now we know that Boehner is on our side on this issue. That’s good.

Now if we could just get our own President on our side…

amerpundit on May 23, 2007 at 9:40 AM

What’s Dan Rather doing this time of year?

amerpundit on May 23, 2007 at 9:40 AM

Sorry, more like a heeping pile of Donkey and Elephant shit….

soulsirkus on May 23, 2007 at 9:40 AM

This President must go

Zetterson on May 23, 2007 at 9:44 AM

What’s the opposite of heart-ache?

R-O-L-A-I-D-S?

Seriously, we all got snookered 7-8 years ago (depending on when we first jumped on the W wagon).

steveegg on May 23, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Uh O, I got sensored. Can’t type the S word. I should have said this Amnesty Bill is more like a heeping pile of Donkey Doo and Elephant dung.

soulsirkus on May 23, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Now that Bush is on he’s way out and won’t be elected again, is he trying to make sure that no other currently sitting Republican gets elected again either?

P. James Moriarty on May 23, 2007 at 9:47 AM

I’ve pretty much lost all respect for this president.

And what about that moron Mel Martinez who somehow became RNC chair?

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/custom/immigration/sfl-518martinezimmigration,0,1645903.story?track=rss

It “is important for people to understand it before they dismiss it, you know, because it is in many ways a very conservative approach to immigration,” Martinez said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Talk about out of touch.

WisCon on May 23, 2007 at 9:47 AM

sorry, he’s = his

P. James Moriarty on May 23, 2007 at 9:48 AM

Uh O, I got sensored. Can’t type the S word. I should have said this Amnesty Bill is more like a heeping pile of Donkey Doo and Elephant dung.

soulsirkus on May 23, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Yup, I think I got sensored too. No sh*t

Zetterson on May 23, 2007 at 9:49 AM

Now that Bush is on he’s way out and won’t be elected again, is he trying to make sure that no other currently sitting Republican gets elected again either?

P. James Moriarty on May 23, 2007 at 9:47 AM

He must be shooting for a 0% approval rating. There is no other explanation.

Zetterson on May 23, 2007 at 9:50 AM

A La Chart: High Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants
The value of government benefits provided to low-skill immigrants far exceeds the taxes they pay, no matter how old the head of household. On average, each of these 4.5 million households receives nearly three dollars in taxpayer-funded services for every dollar it pays in taxes.

[snip]

“Over the next 10 years,” analysts Robert Rector and Christine Kim write, “the net cost (benefits minus taxes) to the taxpayer of low-skill immigrant households will approach $1 trillion.”

[snip]

“Assuming an average adult life span of 60 years for each head of household,” Rector and Kim write, “the average lifetime costs to the taxpayer will be nearly $1.2 million for each low-skill household.”

TheBigOldDog on May 23, 2007 at 9:54 AM

So where has Boehner been all this time?

James on May 23, 2007 at 9:55 AM

Has anyone been watching C-SPAN this morning? I tuned in a little before 9 am, and watched till the segment ended at 9:30. The guest was Micheal Chertoff, taking calls. I’ve got to say, I don’t know when was the last time that I have seen such a display of condescending arrogance displayed to citizens by a high public official.
No matter what any caller had to say, from the situation where they live to questions on the bill, Chertoff’s responce was to smirk and dismiss as not true or the caller flat out didn’t know what they’re talking about. He managed to slip in his favorite phrase, “jobs Americans won’t do” several times also.
I keep wondering just how much of being talked to like imbeciles the American people are going to take?

tomk59 on May 23, 2007 at 10:04 AM

I’ve got to say, I don’t know when was the last time that I have seen such a display of condescending arrogance displayed to citizens by a high public official.

The last time a Democrat, or the President, was on tv.

Do you think we can get Boehner to declare?

amerpundit on May 23, 2007 at 10:09 AM

Do I dare hope that this entire fiasco is really the latest in the miriad of brilliant plans from “Rove, you magnificent bastard!”?

Is Bush’s support on this a carrot and stick approach to get the traitorous dems out on a limb so the republican candidates can saw it off behind them and win in 08? Apparently “Frankenstein” and “The Messiah” are hedging their bets by not going on record with a vote.

Of course, that only makes sense if the bill is ultimately defeated.

csdeven on May 23, 2007 at 10:16 AM

Yet Boner and the rest continue to toe the party line even though the line is over the edge of a cliff.

Valiant on May 23, 2007 at 10:24 AM

Doesn’t Cheney differ on immigration than the President. Him and Boehner could run the country pretty well. Perhaps a new ticket?

amerpundit on May 23, 2007 at 10:27 AM

What’s the opposite of heart-ache? ….. Allahpundit

Happy..Happy..Joy..Joy

Maxx on May 23, 2007 at 10:30 AM

Thompson/Boehner ‘08!

BigOrangeAxe on May 23, 2007 at 10:34 AM

Nevermind. I just realized the implications that that ticket would look like…

amerpundit on May 23, 2007 at 10:42 AM

“All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

Speakup on May 23, 2007 at 10:50 AM

I’m all for plain speaking, but, damn, it looks like our representative government is turning into Glengarry Glen Congress.

“Put. That. Coffee. Down.”

Gottafang on May 23, 2007 at 10:56 AM

But he promised the Pres he wouldn’t Dis da bill….

And just who is he representing? His Party? or his constituents…

This statment right here is a microcosm of why we don’t trust Washington, and the problems they have…

This.. and the Murtha vote yesterday tell me its all about Party… not about the people..

I have spent most of my life as a conservative independant… switched to Repub last election… just switched back… I will not be associated with this type of behaviour!

Romeo13 on May 23, 2007 at 11:10 AM

But he promised the Pres he wouldn’t Dis da bill….

And just who is he representing? His Party? or his constituents…

Which is why he should get the same treatment as those who are for it.

I say that we need to vote out all incumbants for the next two or three election cycles and then maybe they will start to get a clue. Presidents are limited to two terms during which they can do a lot of good or, as we have seen by a number of them, a lot of damage. Congress should be limited, but they will never do it. It’s up to us to do it for them at the ballot box.

IrishEyes on May 23, 2007 at 11:34 AM

What is the deal with our R “leadership?” Don’t pee on my back and tell me it’s raining.

Keep calling, emailing and faxing your rep’s & tell them how PO’d you are. I’m doing it everyday. Get your friends and family involved. It’s our only chance.

VikingGoneWild on May 23, 2007 at 11:35 AM

have spent most of my life as a conservative independant… switched to Repub last election… just switched back… I will not be associated with this type of behaviour!

Romeo13 on May 23, 2007 at 11:10 AM

Hear Hear!!!!
I have not nor will I EVER be associated with any Party for THIS VERY REASON!!!!!!!

They Stand for their own power and DO NOT represent ME!

-Wasteland Man.

P.S. That being said I’ll Still support The republican Nominee over the alternative in the election.

WastelandMan on May 23, 2007 at 11:39 AM

http://capwiz.com/sicminc/dbq/officials

VikingGoneWild on May 23, 2007 at 11:41 AM

“Over the next 10 years,” analysts Robert Rector and Christine Kim write, “the net cost (benefits minus taxes) to the taxpayer of low-skill immigrant households will approach $1 trillion.”

That study is rather misleading, because it simply divides the total government expenditures by total number of households. So it has nothing to do with illegal vs. legal, or immigrant vs. native born. They are including things like interest on government debt, military spending, roads, etc. which have nothing to do with immigrant status. So any low income household will have more spent on it than it pays in taxes, but we knew that.

I’d like to see the numbers take into account the fact that low-income Hispanics have a much shorter life expectancy than the average white. They also pay less into social security so they get less out of it. That would greatly reduce the direct benefits attributed to them. The education money is going to their kids, not to them, so that doesn’t really count because on average we aren’t making enough kids of our own anyway.

pedestrian on May 23, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Just 26% Favor Senate Immigration Plan

[snip]
A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey conducted Monday and Tuesday night shows that just 26% of American voters favor passage of the legislation. Forty-eight percent (48%) are opposed while 26% are not sure.
[snip]

TheBigOldDog on May 23, 2007 at 12:03 PM

pedestrian on May 23, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Really? That’s not what the report says:

The Heritage Foundation
Notes: Low-skill workers are those with less than a high school diploma, about half of all adult illegal immigrants. “Immediate benefits” include direct and means-tested benefits, public education, and population-based services such as transportation, public safety and parks programs. All figures FY 2004.

TheBigOldDog on May 23, 2007 at 12:10 PM

“I promised the President today that I wouldn’t say anything bad about … this piece of shit bill,” he said, according to two attendees.

This reminds me of the quote by the NBA player (was it Charles Barkley?) – “I’m not allowed to comment on lousy officiating.”

mikeyboss on May 23, 2007 at 12:14 PM

pedestrian on May 23, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Yeah.. sure…

They also don’t add in the added average size of the households… which for schools means they take MORE of the pie….

Or the huge drain on the hospital system…

It also does not account for the minimum Social Security payment they ALL will get.

Romeo13 on May 23, 2007 at 12:16 PM

Well, the Poll doesn’t matter. That’s just the unwashed masses, our betters, Lindsey and Teddy have already decided what is in our best interests.

I watched Lindsey Graham on H&C last night and the guy is a total self important, smug, arrogant, superior jerk. This is not what conservatives need in Washington.

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 23, 2007 at 12:22 PM

I’ve pretty much lost all respect for this president.

I’ll be leaving the Republican Party soon…I’ll only join back up long enough to vote against my Congressmen during the Primary so we can get new blood.

I’ll never vote for Kyl or McCain again and I’ll make sure my family doesn’t either.

Tim Burton on May 23, 2007 at 12:31 PM

http://Www.realclearpolitics.com

Dick Morris and Fred Barnes both see the bill as a good one — definitely not your bleeding heart liberal types.

Perhaps more importantly Romney’s opposition is driving a wedge between him and Jeb Bush, who seems to see this as a good bill.

If you toss Jeb from the party, it will be a watershed point.

Rudy gains from all of it.

Bradky on May 23, 2007 at 12:32 PM

This will be the one poll that our politicians will not be beholden to.

ej_pez on May 23, 2007 at 12:39 PM

How is the front page picture in context? Why Nick Frost from Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz? Is this a cap from Hot Fuzz?

POS indeed!!! SHEEPLE bah bah bah!

GoingThere on May 23, 2007 at 12:40 PM

If it looks like sh*t, and if it smells like sh*t, and if it’s sorounded by flies, maggots and rats, it definitely must be a “piece of sh*t”.

Sen. Graham last night on Fox said that 75-80% of Americans are for this bill. Which polls does he follow?

Senators Clinton, Obama and McCain didn’t vote yesterday – talk about weasels. They want ‘flexibility’ to sway with the way it will go later.

Mr. Edwards now claims there is no war on terror and we’re just distracted. He needs to get the two $400 hair cuts, his 500 million hedge-fun gain and his $55,000 for a speech about poverty off the headlines – lest he lose his main yammering point against the working and for the dependency lot. The only time he’ll realize there is a war on terror is when his pretty face, which is attached to that $400-coifed head is on a jihadi block. By then the rich and the poor won’t care any more.

Entelechy on May 23, 2007 at 12:42 PM

“Jobs Americans won’t do….” Like, picking fruit? According to Thomas Sowell, only 24% of illegals work in agriculture, which is supposed to be the highest percentage of illegals working. This leaves 76% of the workers have to be citizens.

So, when they ask “who is picking our fruit?” The anwers is the majority are American citizens.

moonsbreath on May 23, 2007 at 12:42 PM

Correction – s/b surrounded, dang…

Entelechy on May 23, 2007 at 12:43 PM

This thing is the biggest pile of horse manure that ever fell in the barnyard.

I don’t know why they’re wasting our taxpayer dollars on a “piece of sh#@” bill that will never be enforced. I mean, come on. How many new bureauocracies are going to be established to monitor the scoring system, process the applications, do background checks, determine their tax status, collect and credit fines, and on and on and on.

For christs sake, there was a thread here a couple of weeks ago talking about the regular amnesty process taking up to ten years now. Piles and piles of applications lay untouched for years simply because the system cannot handle the volume.

Now, our esteemed legislators are proposing the addition of millions of applications to an already unwieldly pile? You gotta be kidding.

The whole thing is a godda%# stinky pile of rotten fish. Congress may not be able to smell it, but the American voter sure does.

BacaDog on May 23, 2007 at 12:49 PM

I watched Lindsey Graham on H&C last night and the guy is a total self important, smug, arrogant, superior jerk. This is not what conservatives need in Washington.

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 23, 2007 at 12:22 PM

Well, when you are a eunuch you need at least act like you’re the man…

Tim Burton on May 23, 2007 at 12:53 PM

Bradky on May 23, 2007 at 12:32 PM

Fred Barnes is completely out of touch with the base and most American in general. He was excoriated for his comments 2 nights ago on Special Report when he resorted to calling people who oppose this legislation as “anti-Immigrant” and “Xenophobic” and “anti-Mexican.” He created such an uproar over his comments that Brit Hume was forced to address it last night. Well, in case Fred missed it, he is talking about 74% of the American people.

TheBigOldDog on May 23, 2007 at 12:53 PM

Another thing, OT.

I received my renewal letter for the Republican National Committee in the mail yesterday. They said they were concerned that I had not renewed my membership as I had been a long-term generous contributor.

I told them as soon as someone contacted me about my concerns I voiced to them prior to the election last year, we could talk about further donations.

Just so they wouldn’t forget, I wrote them a check for a damn penny and sent it in with my note.

Any odds on whether they care enough to get back to me?

BacaDog on May 23, 2007 at 12:56 PM

That 26% is such a small tiny minority.

It’s not like the sizable large minority of 26% in the Muslim wackadoo poll.

benrand on May 23, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Fred Barnes is completely out of touch with the base and most American in general. He was excoriated for his comments 2 nights ago on Special Report when he resorted to calling people who oppose this legislation as “anti-Immigrant” and “Xenophobic” and “anti-Mexican.” He created such an uproar over his comments that Brit Hume was forced to address it last night. Well, in case Fred missed it, he is talking about 74% of the American people.

TheBigOldDog on May 23, 2007 at 12:53 PM

So I’m anti-Mexican? Does he want to put the hispanic relatives in his family up against the hispanic relatives in mine? I bet you I’d win….

Tim Burton on May 23, 2007 at 12:58 PM

I can’t believe it. The bill was supported by more Republicans than Democrats. The Democrats are actually getting the message.

PRCalDude on May 23, 2007 at 1:10 PM

TheBigOldDog on May 23, 2007 at 12:53 PM

Well stated. To add on, it’s not like I check the political weather, daily, based on Dick Morris’ assessments either…

Entelechy on May 23, 2007 at 1:10 PM

http://Www.realclearpolitics.com

Dick Morris and Fred Barnes both see the bill as a good one — definitely not your bleeding heart liberal types.

Perhaps more importantly Romney’s opposition is driving a wedge between him and Jeb Bush, who seems to see this as a good bill.

If you toss Jeb from the party, it will be a watershed point.

Rudy gains from all of it.

Bradky on May 23, 2007 at 12:32 PM

If the 26% poll result is accurate (which I doubt), then this will never pass. With the President’s strong support for this, it’s failure will be seen as having come in a Democrat Congress. It will interesting to see if Hispanics blame the Democrats for its failure, in which case the GOP would be the big winner.

pedestrian on May 23, 2007 at 1:13 PM

PRCalDude on May 23, 2007 at 1:10 PM

Yes, but representative from both parties are going to ignore their base, because the political drivers (money-R and votes-D) are all which matters to them.

Last night I wrote to the RNC. You all need to call/write and let them know in certain terms what it is that you want. They don’t care about demonstrations in the street. Those are not effective. They care only about threats against donations, votes, and the fear of being confronted and made arses of.

Being moral and humanitarian with our own poor is one thing, but having to fork over $3 for every $1 that immigrants receive/pay is insane. For the democrats it’s the one-world driver: destroy the U.S. and the way it conducts life and business, bring in $50 million immigrants, primarily from the underclass (middle and rich Latinos stay in their countries – also of note – Cuban Latinos assimilate almost completely and fast), make them dependent on the welfare and social services, they’ll vote for Paul…

Also, the democrats don’t care about security and the WoT. Hillary today lobbying the Pentagon for withdrawal. Edwards “there is no WoT”.

Entelechy on May 23, 2007 at 1:18 PM

I agree and I think it will take more then one square to take care of this Bowel Movement.

americaslaststand on May 23, 2007 at 1:19 PM

Rest assured, had the GOP maintained control of Congress, the amnesty outcome will be exactly the same.

Valiant on May 23, 2007 at 2:03 PM

We need to do a massive “Bush Pesos” mail-in campaign…..

Kid from Brooklyn on May 23, 2007 at 2:26 PM

I can’t believe Boehner came right out and insulted sh*t like that.

Valiant: You’re full of amnesty bills. The last House would have laughed the new bill out of town.

bdfaith on May 23, 2007 at 2:31 PM

I’m surprised at the large Dem opposition to this. Yeah, they probably think its too tough.

Iblis on May 23, 2007 at 2:39 PM

If the thing is going to pass, might as well have some fun with it…

Some clever Senator should add an amendment to direct the money paid as fines to a fund from which state, county and city governments can seek reimbursement for the costs associated with illegal immigration. The only question would be how many digits of red ink would be associated with that mess.

rw on May 23, 2007 at 2:50 PM

I’m surprised at the large Dem opposition to this. Yeah, they probably think its too tough.

Iblis on May 23, 2007 at 2:39 PM

That’s exactly the problem with the 48% percent opposition poll number. You have to break it down. If half think it is too tough and the rest too loose, then it could easily be passed even if it never gets 50% approval because most agree something needs to be done.

The people who think it is too loose need to come up with some alternate plan that has a hope of passage and do more than just calling Congress and stopping contributions. With the Dem’s in control, nothing much tighter will pass. People need to be specific with how to fix what is there, and calling it excrement won’t make it go away.

pedestrian on May 23, 2007 at 2:52 PM

Aw, looks like the DailyKos crowd got the short end of the poll stick. Whatever will they do with themselves? You know, other than ignore the poll even though they live on polls.

I can attest to the fact that mainstream Democrats are wary of illegal immigration, it’s only the leftist DailyKos sector that loves the amnesty idea. The main reason why, I think, is because illegal immigrants are eating up tax dollars and jobs.

As I asked before, if we removed every single illegal immigrant from the US, what would the unemployment rate in the US become?

Seixon on May 23, 2007 at 3:14 PM

How is the front page picture in context? Why Nick Frost from Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz? Is this a cap from Hot Fuzz?

POS indeed!!! SHEEPLE bah bah bah!

GoingThere on May 23, 2007 at 12:40 PM

I thought the same thing….. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who saw him there.

liquidflorian on May 23, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Do you want to get the RNC’s attention really? Then write them a check, a good one. Then write void on it. Enclose it with a letter letting them know you were going to donate, until they decided to thumb their nose at you over this immigraton thing.Let them know if they will drop support for the bill, and endores republican candidates that oppose sitting republicans that are pro-illegal, you will then write them another check.
It is that simple. It will get thier attention. the money always does.

paulsur on May 23, 2007 at 3:22 PM

I’m surprised at the large Dem opposition to this. Yeah, they probably think its too tough.

Iblis on May 23, 2007 at 2:39 PM

Some think it’s not “illegal” enough. However, many, including some unions, fear even more job losses for their memebers. Of course, the so-called reps try to finagle them that it will bring them many new members. They’re so far not that convinced of that.

Still, the biggest danger is for the republican party. Its base is ballistic. They haven’t realized that to the fullest extent. I think the Memorial Day weekend, unless they hide, will be an eye-opener, if they care.

Entelechy on May 23, 2007 at 3:23 PM

These people need to get out of Washington for a while.

Did anyone catch Fred Barnes on Special Report – the whole panel for that matter – last night? He basically said it was the xenophobic streak running through the Republicans, “This fear that the immigrants will change America,” that is causing this opposition to the amnesty.

He has no clue whatsoever about why this issue hits home with so many of us.
DKK

LifeTrek on May 23, 2007 at 3:48 PM

LifeTrek, D.C. seems to be a vast echo chamber. They endlessly repeat the same meme.

This used to be presented by the news as if this was the national tone and thought of each citizen.

Now we can talk to each other and we know that’s not true.

Back to Barnes, I missed that, but I’m not surprised.

INC on May 23, 2007 at 4:04 PM

LifeTrek on May 23, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Fred Barnes needs to go drive down 99 Highway in California… Half the signs are in Spanish.. half the radio stations are Spanish…

I listened to his point of view… its amazing that he dismisses mine as being racist.

Cause I guess wanting people to follow the law is racist.

Romeo13 on May 23, 2007 at 4:31 PM

Allahpundit should see if he can get the video of the panel – it really did make my jaw drop.
DKK

LifeTrek on May 23, 2007 at 4:33 PM

pedestrian on May 23, 2007 at 1:13 PM

So what polls do you believe, here is another one by Pulse Opinion Research(Rasmussen Reports):

75% of Republicans said immigration is too high, 5% said too low.

69% of Democrats said immigration is too high, 6% said too low .

71% of self described moderates said immigration is too high, 4% said too low.

Americans support enforcement to make illegals go home. When presented by itself, 79 percent of the public said they supported reducing the illegal immigrant population by increasing border enforcement, penalizing employers, and increasing cooperation with local law enforcement, while 15 percent were opposed.

http://www.eagleforum.org/alert/2007/05-22-07.html

ScottyDog on May 23, 2007 at 4:41 PM

I’m waiting for Fred to take a strong position against this bill. If he does he is definitely running and hopefully the bill is DOA.

duff65 on May 23, 2007 at 4:55 PM

I watched Lindsey Graham on H&C last night and the guy is a total self important, smug, arrogant, superior jerk. This is not what conservatives need in Washington.

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 23, 2007 at 12:22 PM

Well, when you are a eunuch you need at least act like you’re the man…

Tim Burton on May 23, 2007 at 12:53 PM

Oh…if you ONLY ONLY ONLY KNEW……..

This is his last ticket to Washington to curl up in Teddy Kennedy’s lap that South Carolina will EVER, EVER buy that…that….well, Tim said it best.

seejanemom on May 23, 2007 at 5:01 PM

400k, 200k…Still not gettin’ my support, you backstabbing bastard Congress Critters.

tickleddragon on May 23, 2007 at 5:37 PM

A tip of the hat to Boehner!!

MarkB on May 23, 2007 at 6:03 PM

Heh, Allah, just noticed Ed behind Boehner. I was gonna say he really looks like a zombie there…

Aim for the head!

Bad Candy on May 23, 2007 at 6:06 PM

TheBigOldDog on May 23, 2007 at 12:53 PM

I won’t get into a debate about Fred Barnes. Just curious if you checked the analysis about Jeb and Romney?

Bradky on May 23, 2007 at 6:31 PM

What’s the opposite of heart-ache?
Heart-throb.

Theworldisnotenough on May 23, 2007 at 9:33 AM

Wha–?

Okay, I can’t believe it’s this late in the game and I’m the one bringin’ the “Throbbing Boehner” joke.

C’mon guys. Have some fun!

ScottMcC on May 23, 2007 at 6:34 PM

I just emailed my harsh opposition opinions to my senator here in Maryland. I hope everyone is doing the same. Maybe, just maybe the senate will finally get a clue on how ticked off most american citizens are at this “shamnesty” called an “Immigration Bill”. If they do pass it, I plan on joining a grass roots organization that will try and throw these “BUMS” out of office. I guess you could say I have finally had enough of the political BS going on in Washington.
OK, I feel better now (my 2 cents)

dddave on May 23, 2007 at 6:40 PM

dddave on May 23, 2007 at 6:40 PM

Good for you dave. I did likewise to my senators Reid and Ensign.

Mojave Mark on May 23, 2007 at 7:07 PM

Who knew that Bush’s legacy was to be the LAST Republican President in the US. He’s sure working hard at it. As to hoping that any upcoming President or Congress can roll this back after 2008 is a pipe dream, it will never happen. So what Fred may say or what Hunter or Tancredo tells us they will do doesn’t much matter because the nations sovernity will be won or lost this June.

Buzzy on May 23, 2007 at 7:09 PM

When the base of BOTH parties hate a bill as much as this one I can’t help but think that the legislation is pretty good. Who woulda thunk the left and right would unite (in a manner of speaking) over illegal immigration?!

Bradky on May 23, 2007 at 7:28 PM

I am encouraged by the attitude of my new Representative, a former Sheriff:

The bill under consideration by the Senate will reward the violation of our current immigration laws with amnesty. While there are a wide variety of opinions on the solution to the illegal immigration problem, I know many of you join me in believing this is the wrong approach. And I want you to know that if the House considers legislation with similar provisions, I will not hesitate to stand up to Congressional leadership and oppose it.

Sincerely,

Brad Ellsworth

He’s a Democrat from a conservative district in southern Indiana.

mikeyboss on May 23, 2007 at 7:41 PM

Boehner will get no props from me for making private deals to NOT say and do what he thinks is right. Washington is broken.

Resolute on May 23, 2007 at 7:43 PM

When the base of BOTH parties hate a bill as much as this one I can’t help but think that the legislation is pretty good. Who woulda thunk the left and right would unite (in a manner of speaking) over illegal immigration?!

Bradky on May 23, 2007 at 7:28 PM

Bradky, as someone else pointed out in other threads, the left and right would both be up in arms if Congress suspended the constitution but that wouldn’t make it a good idea.
DKK

LifeTrek on May 23, 2007 at 8:29 PM

So what polls do you believe, here is another one by Pulse Opinion Research(Rasmussen Reports):

75% of Republicans said immigration is too high, 5% said too low.

69% of Democrats said immigration is too high, 6% said too low .

71% of self described moderates said immigration is too high, 4% said too low.

Americans support enforcement to make illegals go home. When presented by itself, 79 percent of the public said they supported reducing the illegal immigrant population by increasing border enforcement, penalizing employers, and increasing cooperation with local law enforcement, while 15 percent were opposed.

http://www.eagleforum.org/alert/2007/05-22-07.html

ScottyDog on May 23, 2007 at 4:41 PM

Those are quite different from the poll results here:
http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

“Building a 700 mile long fence on the border with Mexico”
50% oppose

“Creating a temporary worker program that would allow foreign citizens to enter the U.S. for several months to work but would not allow them to apply for U.S. citizenship”

evenly split

“Creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay in this country and apply for U.S. citizenship if they had a job and paid back taxes”

80% favor

pedestrian on May 23, 2007 at 8:30 PM

Bradky, as someone else pointed out in other threads, the left and right would both be up in arms if Congress suspended the constitution but that wouldn’t make it a good idea.
DKK

LifeTrek on May 23, 2007 at 8:29 PM

No kidding. I guess congress should try to reinstitute slavery as well, since that would really piss off the base of both parties, and is thus, by Bradky-logic, a crackin’ good idea.

thirteen28 on May 23, 2007 at 8:35 PM

No kidding. I guess congress should try to reinstitute slavery as well, since that would really piss off the base of both parties, and is thus, by Bradky-logic, a crackin’ good idea.
thirteen28 on May 23, 2007 at 8:35 PM

I thought that is what the guest worker program is.

Resolute on May 23, 2007 at 8:43 PM

Well, I’m late to this particular party, and haven’t read everything above closely.

But it appears that the bozos in the senate are cutting out one of the few parts that almost made sense. (IF you accept as fact that we need guest workers to ‘do jobs that Americans won’t do.)

Hey Senators: Most of us are all for LEGAL immigrants and ‘guest workers’ as long as they do it according to the laws.

Don’t you senatorial morons read your mail??? (Well, of course they don’t, but their staffers should be passing on the gist of it to them.) It is the tens of millions of people who are here ILLegaly and the wide open border that we have a problem with.


SECURE THE ENTIRE BORDER FIRST.

START VIGOROUSLY ENFORCING THE LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. Then, and only then, can we sensibly deal with the administrative stuff.

LegendHasIt on May 23, 2007 at 8:43 PM

I was never a fan of Boehner … until now!

DannoJyd on May 23, 2007 at 9:04 PM

guess congress should try to reinstitute slavery as well, since that would really piss off the base of both parties, and is thus, by Bradky-logic, a crackin’ good idea.

thirteen28 on May 23

, 2007 at 8:35 PM

No… although RW may be fond of that idea. I’m sure you’ve heard the old saying that watching legislation is kind of like watching sausage being made.. not pretty but in the end you eat it. The base is not the majority, both serve a valuable purpose which is to take put idealism into workable legislation.

LifeTrek on May 23, 2007 at 8:29 PM

Suspend the constitution. Isn’t that what the two bases accuse each other of trying to do in one fashion or another? Welcome to politics 101 sugarbear. All the debate is healthy and just maybe a realistic bill will be delivered. What’s to be upset about? If we have to wait until 2012 or later due to changes in the presidency before a bill is passed how much worse do you think the problem will be?

Bradky on May 23, 2007 at 9:04 PM

Our president does not get that losing popularity from his own party does not equal gaining popularity from the other party.

topmaker on May 23, 2007 at 9:40 PM

No… although RW may be fond of that idea.

Way to show your “open-mindedness”, liberal troll.

thirteen28 on May 23, 2007 at 9:42 PM

Whoever thinks any bipartisan legislation is good legislation just ins’t paying attention and probably ought to stick to Mr Rogers re-runs. Having equally pissed off people from both parties is a stupid, misguided view of good legislation. MOST Americans want the border secured and then are willing to deal with internal illegals. Security first, reform after. It’s pretty straight forward and you’d have to be purposely obtuse to think differently. That or just plain stupid.

Jeeze, MOST legislation has to be bipartisan and no one would ever suggest all legislation is good.

csdeven on May 23, 2007 at 9:56 PM

KILL THE BILL>

Build the fence.

Enforce existing laws.

Fine the hell out of crooked employers.

Speed up LEGAL immigration for needed workers.

Retire every politician who thought they could feed us a sh*t sandwich and call it a sirloin melt.

profitsbeard on May 23, 2007 at 10:19 PM

So what’s with Nick Frost (Sean of the Dead) being in the photo already????

Jim-Rose on May 23, 2007 at 10:45 PM

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