Yep. And black people will continue to vote for Democrats in record numbers. They’re just not getting it.

PRCalDude on May 22, 2007 at 4:32 PM

But they do get it. That is why any bill that looks like amnesty is dead in the water. Pelosi needs 70 Republicans so she let the CBC off the hook. Take a look at this article for more examples of grassroots black organizations fighting illegal immigration.

Like minds thinking great.

(Didn’t read your post before I posted, but, except for the candidate sequence, a nice harmony.)

Few of the rest seem able to do more than tapdance to the latest leading winds.

As if they don’t really believe that a country with no borders is no country.

As far as I can tell, Rudy’s position on immigration is about the same as Bush’s, McCain’s or Hillary’s. Add pro-amnesty and anti-enforcement to being pro-abortion and anti-gun.

As far as his objection to the bill, the best he can come up with is to nitpick the ID and record keeping requirements- the amnesty provisions that come before enforcement and security (that probably wouldn’t happen anyways)? Rudy seems to have no problem with it.

agreed.

These people carrying on with the mantra that we can’t deport them are just not wanting to see that it can be done in steps.

If the congress wanted to be taken seriously..or giuliani for that matter, they’d do a number of things first and it would cut it down tremendously:

*put up the damn wall that was already voted on..but not funded

*increase our border patrol agents and FUND them this time..and for god’s sake..put sutton out of a job (yeah right)

*Feds punish severely states that harbor sanctuary cities

*punish businesses that hire illegals..it gets around who looks for illegals and where they pick them up at..it isn’t ALL about illegal documentation either. In california, some businesses don’t even require showing documentation. Hell, in Washington state I couldn’t do jack without showing all my documentation.

*stop giving babies born to illegals American Citizenship

yep, which means if my wishful thinking is right he’s one slick politician. i’m probably wrong though.

OH…wish on, George Bush is fulfilling his manifest destiny, not his oath of office.

If by some chance immigration re(conquest)form to suit him can’t be had through Congress, expect that he will fulfill remanifest destiny, by executive order.

Let’s face reality, here. We’re not going to deport 12 million people. We’d have to find them.

There is no justifible reason that we cant, just cowardice.

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called “Operation Wetback” began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.

Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free.

Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south.

The sea voyage was “a rough trip, and they did not like it,” says Don Coppock, who worked his way up from Border Patrolman in 1941 to eventually head the Border Patrol from 1960 to 1973.

Mr. Coppock says he “cannot understand why [President] Bush let [today's] problem get away from him as it has. I guess it was his compassionate conservatism, and trying to please [Mexican President] Vincente Fox.”

There are now said to be 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. Of the Mexicans who live here, an estimated 85 percent are here illegally.

Operation Wetback….

I’ll give him my vote in the general if he gets the nomination since he’ll be better than anything the dems have to offer, but I’ll be disappointed nevertheless

Romeo13 on May 22, 2007 at 5:17 PM

what will we do with the kid that gets National ID card: 666

Tie it to work, SSN, the vote, drivers license, FBI database, and Make it your Passport.

Its time to bite the bullet on this one.

Doesn’t appear that the current Pres. gives a crap about who comes after him other than he may hope that they are worse.

Speakup on May 22, 2007 at 4:38 PM

yep, which means if my wishful thinking is right he’s one slick politician. i’m probably wrong though.

If nothing comes of this other than the debate, I may start beleiving this was all an 08 election setup to give the public and importantly the Moderates something to focus on other than Iraq. And force the dems to confront their open border views.

/optimism

I also plan not to vote for local politicians strictly on their stance of laws not being enforced when it comes to illegals.

wishful thinking exit question: Is the president setting this up to be an issue for 2008 election, to give the GOP nominee the upperhand(assuming its Romney, Thompson or Rudy?)

jp on May 22, 2007 at 4:19 PM

Doesn’t appear that the current Pres. gives a crap about who comes after him other than he may hope that they are worse.

And black people will continue to vote for Democrats in record numbers.

they voted GOP by about 75% or so until LBJ’s “great society” payoff, went back to civil war perceptions. the dems try to lie and claim it was over civil rights and ignore all the dems that were against civil rights and a larger(percentage) of gop in favor.

I think this is the big worry of GOP with this, that its perceived they aren’t for the immigrants in whatever sense and they end up voting 90/10 dems like the black voting block does today.

Update: I saw this earlier at Ace’s but forgot about it. Kid from Brooklyn just e-mailed to remind me. Here’s how the Democrats are rewarding black voters for years of supporting them in numbers greater than 90%.

Yep. And black people will continue to vote for Democrats in record numbers. They’re just not getting it.

Watch Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky, who’s also married to the Secretary of Labor Elaine L. Chao. He is totally in favor of this bill and has much to say about it. Note the blatant conflict of interest. Much light needs to be shined on this one.

Entelechy on May 22, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Wishful thinking on her part.

She also believes the next president will be sworn in in ‘08.

…he’ll be the next president of the United States and… we will be swearing him in ‘08.”

Highrise on May 22, 2007 at 4:08 PM

He hasn’t specified his position on that. All he’s said is he wants national security first, and the bordered secured, before anything else.