Bob Kerrey to Dems: Why are U.S. troops the answer in Darfur but not in Iraq?
posted at 9:53 am on May 22, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I wanted to write about Greasy Joe Biden’s election promise this morning that a vote for him is a vote for invading Darfur, but Bryan already dealt with that at length last month. Do let me quote this bit, though:
Biden, a presidential candidate and chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said on Monday that in his personal opinion nations had at “some point to cede their sovereignty” if they engaged in genocide.
So if the Iraqi civil war — which we must not interfere in — devolves as expected into ethnic cleansing, then … what? U.S. troops go back in? NATO? The UN? Or do we leave that one alone because Bush ultimately is responsible and thus a really massive death toll would provide an even more chastening “teachable moment” about the perils of adventurism abroad (Darfur excluded, of course)?
Kerrey’s not sure how this works either, so he tries a counterfactual:
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of violence we are seeing today. Wouldn’t you expect the same people who are urging a unilateral and immediate withdrawal to be urging military intervention to end this carnage? I would.
Not only that, but they’d be pointing to the first George Bush and his betrayal of the Shia and Kurds in 1991 as reasons why we had a moral duty to intervene. Remember, the same card was played a few years ago by proponents of sending troops to Liberia. America, through its history of slavery, had created the problem that led to the establishment of that country and thus we had an obligation to do what little we could now to help them out.
It’s a matter of conscience, you see.
With these facts on the scales, what does your conscience tell you to do? If the answer is nothing, that it is not our responsibility or that this is all about oil, then no wonder today we Democrats are not trusted with the reins of power. American lawmakers who are watching public opinion tell them to move away from Iraq as quickly as possible should remember this: Concessions will not work with either al Qaeda or other foreign fighters who will not rest until they have killed or driven into exile the last remaining Iraqi who favors democracy.
The key question for Congress is whether or not Iraq has become the primary battleground against the same radical Islamists who declared war on the U.S. in the 1990s and who have carried out a series of terrorist operations including 9/11. The answer is emphatically “yes.”…
Those who argue that radical Islamic terrorism has arrived in Iraq because of the U.S.-led invasion are right. But they are right because radical Islam opposes democracy in Iraq. If our purpose had been to substitute a dictator who was more cooperative and supportive of the West, these groups wouldn’t have lasted a week.
If Kerrey hasn’t been formally excommunicated yet for “undermin[ing] the Democratic Party” with this piece, doubtless it’s on the agenda now. Still, if there’s one thing we’ve learned about the Democratics, it’s that they’ll bend over backwards not to alienate voters: that’s why so many of them voted for war in 2002 when they didn’t believe in it and that’s why they’re trying to walk the tightrope now between stopping the war and not doing something to stop it that’s so drastic (like cutting off funds) that they’ll be held partially responsible for defeat. If the public was still behind the war the Dems would be grumbling but held in check. But the public’s not behind it, and it’s Bush, through his mistakes and his failure to prepare America for a long fight (both in terms of expectations and military preparedness) who’s led them to that point. It sounds Kerrey’s appealing to the Dems to do the right thing even though they stand to inherit a political windfall in 2008 by doing the wrong thing. Exit question: Is he joking?
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Exit answer: Maybe. Maybe not. As unpopular as the war is, one thing would be extremely unpopular – the cutting off of funds to our troops. A majority of the American people may want withdrawal, but that doesn’t mean they all want it right now, or carried out by cutting off funds. He knows that would make them even more unpopular, and they can’t afford that.
Something else that would land the Dems in boiling hot water, would be the American people seeing us leave, and there being a genocide afterwards – despite Democratic promises that things would get better there.
He’s simply being a realist.
amerpundit on May 22, 2007 at 10:04 AM
Again you get the democratic party’s mindset. The military has only two uses in their beliefs. One is as the National Guard to respond to emergencies. The other is peacekeepers to seperte warring factions.
God forbid they ever be used to defend the country. But then that is the European mindset also. That the military is nothing more than glorified peacekeepers waging “Humanitarian” war. If there is such a thing.
BTW we had a debate here about grassroots campaaigning. So I did my first political ad. Is a little long and rough around the edges
is here
William Amos on May 22, 2007 at 10:07 AM
An answer to that perpetual whine –
“why didn’t somebody do something!!!!!”
Show a pile of Cambodian skulls.
Then abandon the little brown people of Iraq.
Put the final nail in JFK’s coffin – we will no longer pay any price suffer any hardship, etc. What will my country do for me? Hurry up and finish this war thing – I’ve got to see who wins ‘Merican Idol”.
Wander on May 22, 2007 at 10:11 AM
“I’ve got to see who wins ‘Merican Idol”.”
And if Congress and the President has their way, soon to be “Mexican Idol”.
amerpundit on May 22, 2007 at 10:13 AM
That’s funny, I saw a guy on my plane last week who was wearing a “Save Darfur” t-shirt. I asked him “How do we do that?” He said “Send in the Marines under the U.N.” Great idea! Send in the finest military in the world under command of the most inept and corrupt institution in the world! U.S.M.C. + U.N. equals nothing getting done. I didn’t ask but I’m pretty sure he was against the war in Iraq. He’s probably one of those dumbass libs who wanted us to invade Somalia when they saw the starving kids on the news, but then demanded withdrawl when 18 U.S. troops died in the Mog.
Personally I think the Air Force and Navy are bored and would LOVE to bomb the janjaweed terrorists! What are we waiting for? Until AFTER they’ve killed everybody in Darfur?
Tony737 on May 22, 2007 at 10:16 AM
Show me what threat Sudan is to the US and what WMDs they possess ? What isnt that the standard the left said we need to go to war ?
William Amos on May 22, 2007 at 10:18 AM
One of the interesting things I’ve discovered is that “History” is made up of two parts.
One is the actual happenings and facts…
The other is the popular MYTH of what happened.
Viet Nam is a perfect example of this. In order to assauge the guile of the media and Dems in power for their flagrant stab in the back of an ally by cutting off all funds AFTER the war war over and we were out, and had WON, they spun the myth that we lost.
The MSM has ’spun’ the myth of loss in Iraq. All we hear about is soldiers getting killed, and suicide bombers succeeding… never anything of wins, or kills, or the good we’re doing there…
Reality? This is winnable… myth? Common American perception? we’re loosing.
Osama bin Laden, in his writings alludes to this on numberous occasions… in his section on how to win against America.
Romeo13 on May 22, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Perhaps the Democratic plan is to get the US out of Iraq in hopes of a UN force taking over the job when Iraq goes to complete hell. Yet, the UN is doing nothing in Sarfur. The UN did nothing in Rwanda. The UN hasn’t done much good in Kosovo. Does anyone seriously expect the UN, without the United States, to be effective in Iraq?
With all the other “plans” the Democrats have called for, I wouldn’t be surprised in their naive belief that the UN would be up to the job.
Seixon on May 22, 2007 at 10:20 AM
wow… sorry my typing is so bad this morning… no … coffee….
Romeo13 on May 22, 2007 at 10:21 AM
The UN still in business? We need to throw their pitiful ass out of the USA.
Wade on May 22, 2007 at 10:30 AM
I dunno…..the U.S.S. MealsOnWheels sorta has a nice ring to it.
Limerick on May 22, 2007 at 10:32 AM
Another example of a Dem moving their mouth…(but nothing happens).
4shoes on May 22, 2007 at 10:34 AM
Could it be that there’s a male democrat out there with a functioning brain? We’ll find out soon enough, I suppose, if Howard Dean and co. twist his arms out of their sockets and force him to come out to say that he was joking.
flutejpl on May 22, 2007 at 10:36 AM
download the Dan Rather Letterman video from 9/17/01, that CBS has removed from YouTube here:
from the transcript:
Dan Rather (D-Media), less than a week after 9/11 is on national TV drawing a link between 9/11 and Saddam. not to mention it would be a long war and different than any other we’ve ever faught. He mentions Saddam and Iraq at several places, but we’ve been led to beleive since the War went south that the President ‘lied’ about a 9/11 connection to saddam….
jp on May 22, 2007 at 10:36 AM
With all the media attention and Hollywood fawning over Darfur, ya’d think they’d actually KNOW something about the place, but nooo. Facts, learning … gads.
Start with The Root Causes of Sudan’s Civil Wars by Douglas Hamilton Johnson (Amazon.com)
Don’t even waste a single breath on anyone who blabbers on what to do about Sudan but hasn’t read that.
More background, is found in Emma’s War by Deborah Scroggins. It’s being made into a movie, with of course heavy focus on Emma herself, but in the book there’s a lot of decent info on the region.
Stop it with the people who’ve never been to a Third World nation then naively get dumped for an afternoon in Darfur. Darfur isn’t the only place with refugee camps. Americans with no Third World experience are shocked to see how bad it is (Mexico GDP/cap $6,000 versus Guinea GDP/cap less than $500, India GDP/cap less than $200). Thus, a day in Darfur, is going to be wildly more shocking to the uninitiated eyes than to someone who’s seen people in say, Mauritania living like Mad Max and the Thunderdome – that’s normal for them, but utterly appalling for Americans.
Right there, in Southern Sudan, right now, plenty of Dinka herders walk around NAKED, smeared with grey ash to keep the flies away and they are happy as clams. They have their cattle (to which they compose flowery poetry) they enjoy a pleasant climate, they don’t have many cares (as long as no one is shooting at them) but their living standards would send the average America into Prozac. They entertain themselves with occasional cattle rustling forays.
The reason WHY the North Sudanese government is messing with Darfur is the massive elephant in the room. It’s OIL. What sense does it make for the Left to cry NO BLOOD FOR OIL and OUT OF IRAQ AND INTO DARFUR? The fight in Darfur is for who controls the vast oil reserves that are lying under that dry ground.
So, the Left is simply, cynically and temporarily using humanitarian excuses that they think they can milk from Darfur.
It’s nothing to do with how much the Left cares about Darfur. They don’t. They’ll drop it in a New York minute once they discover it won’t work. They didn’t give a hoot when the North was pounding Southern Sudan for years for the very same reason. Darfur is only a tool by which to leverage US troops out of Iraq. Nothing more.
naliaka on May 22, 2007 at 10:37 AM
There is good momentum…. What???! After all those people have been decimated, you watch, the UN will turn around in no time and blame the U.S. for not taking action. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit. I think the sanctions need to be on the UN.
4shoes on May 22, 2007 at 10:42 AM
jp on May 22, 2007 at 10:43 AM
I thought George Clooney already solved the Darfur problem?
moonsbreath on May 22, 2007 at 10:59 AM
William that was good. Do you think you can get a montage of all the hateful things the dems have been saying and show some examples of the left’s blogs and how very hateful they are?
CCRWM on May 22, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Thats what Im working on next. Title is “Who are the democrats” and I have some good footage for that.
William Amos on May 22, 2007 at 11:13 AM
Kerrey may get in trouble at the New School, which is so far to the left that they would replace Kerrey with Ron Paul.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 22, 2007 at 11:14 AM
The left has already branded Kerry a warcriminal (thats bob not John) They torpedoed him years ago.
William Amos on May 22, 2007 at 11:18 AM
They sound like, oh my…WARMONGERS, don’t they.
liberalism: What matters is that you urge action rather than take any.
–Mark Steyn
franksalterego on May 22, 2007 at 12:02 PM
The guy was a SEAL. He wasn’t joking.
PRCalDude on May 22, 2007 at 12:11 PM
The Tough-Guys™
Dan Rather: George Bush is the President, he makes the decisions, and, you know, as just one American, wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where.
Dave: Yeah.
heh,heh,heh
franksalterego on May 22, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Correction, three uses: The third being able to kick (humiliate) them around during election time to gain votes.
right2bright on May 22, 2007 at 12:51 PM
When you hear someone from outside of the current drama say this, it sounds so clear and logical, unequivocal.
I love that.
Jaibones on May 22, 2007 at 1:11 PM
Exit question answer: Given the language he chose, not a chance he’s joking. Still hard to fathom a Donk saying those things, but props on his valid analysis. He must be reading Hitchens.
Freelancer on May 22, 2007 at 1:20 PM
Just a question because I wonder what everyone thinks, if God forbid, Biden gets elected and sends our troops to Darfur do you think Sarandon, Robbins, Fonda, Shehag, et. al. will be protesting this or not?
I know that Bob Kerry is as liberal as the sky is blue but he is hated by many of the far left loons in his own party. He is a true war hero unlike the undistinguished Senator from MA. I believe it was last year when John McCain spoke at the New School graduation and the students and faculty made asses of themselves by shouting him down, and turning their backs. At first Kerry came to his aid to say that they were wrong in doing this but a few days later he did a 180 so that may be coming soon.
And Moonsbreath, I thought so as well.
Catie96706 on May 22, 2007 at 2:08 PM
Al Jazeera Arabic is reporting that the “Islamic Scholars” meeting in Cairo urge the world to “Butt out” of Darfar and let the Islamics there bring order out of the Chaos.
Guess its all on how you define “Order”
William Amos on May 22, 2007 at 2:24 PM
Cameleon indeed – see Terri Schiavo, for ex. Not one opposed the voted, then they yammered endlessly against those who voted in favore. They, including Mrs. Clinton didn’t even show up; thus letting it go through. No one in their party, nor the MSM ever held her to that fire. No question on it in the debates. They do all this because:
1. They can get away with it, and
2. Because they believe the electorate to be really stupid.
Entelechy on May 22, 2007 at 2:41 PM
The Answer is Simple: The democrats want all the power without the responsibility that goes along with it.
Kini on May 22, 2007 at 2:57 PM
For a minute there he sounded like the democrat party I used to belong to.
Buck Turgidson on May 22, 2007 at 6:21 PM
That Biden picture always makes me think of George Jetson.
Bad Penny on May 22, 2007 at 7:03 PM
http://www.mishalov.com/Kerrey.html
Medal of Honor recipient. Yes he means what he says and kind of disrupts the “democrats are traitors” comments seen from time to time in some threads.
Bradky on May 22, 2007 at 9:51 PM
The Islamofascists are at war with us. The only question is will we defend ourselves or not.
Mojave Mark on May 23, 2007 at 12:35 AM
I voted for this particular Kerry when he was a Nebraska Senator. I’ll take him over Hagel right about now.
Yakko77 on May 23, 2007 at 12:51 AM
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