Audio: Michelle debates the immigration bill with Tamar Jacoby on Laura Ingraham’s show
posted at 12:50 pm on May 22, 2007 by Bryan
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Give open-borders advocate Tamar Jacoby credit for appearing on the show today, knowing that both Michelle and Laura are not fans of her stance or the amnesty bill that’s being weighed and/or rammed through Congress.
While I strongly disagree with Jacoby’s stance on this bill and illegal immigration generally (and as the husband of an immigrant, open-borders advocates make chumps of those of us who follow the law), you don’t hear civilized battles like this on the left. Michelle, Laura and Jacoby all acquit themselves well, though Laura and Michelle have the better factual, logical and legal arguments. It’s simply absurd to believe that a government that’s proven itself incapable of tracking illegals now will be able to track the touchbacks, and it’s beyond incomprehensibly unfair to strip out the back-taxes provision from the bill, as President Bush has done, giving illegals a free ride that citizens do not and will not ever get. He’s proven himself untrustworthy on the issue, and open borders advocates never address that or the government’s long record of promising enforcement and delivering bupkis.
And what makes anyone think that people who have been “living in the shadows” for years will pay up to get out of the shadows? It’s an unreasonably optimistic assumption, and isn’t supported by history at all.
If the open borders folks want to earn some trust, how about starting a few miles from the White House and down the street from one of the Bushes’ favorite restaurants? Fix the day labor center that facilitated 9-11, and then we’ll talk about some of the other Christmas gifts you guys want to hand out at our expense.
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Heh, Michelle’s been tearing apart open borders/amnesty people all week.
Bad Candy on May 22, 2007 at 12:53 PM
It’s amazing that the open-borders/amnesty cheeleaders accept the argument that enforcement is impossible because of our inability to track the illegals, then spin on their heels and also accept the argument that we can monitor their compliance with the amnesty program?
You just can’t have it both ways. Enforcement first, and thank you very much.
Freelancer on May 22, 2007 at 1:03 PM
Hey Fox News is hiring!
LakeRuins on May 22, 2007 at 1:23 PM
“half of all the new jobs created in the past 10 years were filled by foreigners”…
How is this relevant to the ILLEGAL immigration debate?
Fuzzy math for open-border advocates:
Foreigners = ILLEGAL immigrants
anti-ILLEGAL immigration = raaaaacist
I am one of those “foreigners” and lumping me with ILLEGAL aliens is particularly insulting. That probably makes me a racist. Cool.
redzap on May 22, 2007 at 1:32 PM
Michelle and Laura. Another vicarious moment.
Well done.
Lawrence on May 22, 2007 at 1:35 PM
So far, on TV, Michelle and Newt Gingrich have been able to rip this dog of a bill apart in seconds flat. No one comes even close to them.
Entelechy on May 22, 2007 at 1:41 PM
Government doesn’t enforce laws of any kind proficiently…Government doesn’t run ANYTHING well.
Why are we even thinking that these pompous, political hacks are going to do anything to protect us, when they can gain lots and lots of new voters??
UGH…the revolt is a better idea. TAX REVOLT, folks!!
tickleddragon on May 22, 2007 at 1:42 PM
And the idea that these public service sucking freeloaders contribute to the economy is sheer lunacy. They do not pay taxes, and the ones that ARE, are more likely than not, contributing to a social security number that isn’t theirs to begin with.
Why are we even considering importing the poorest and least productive of other countries’ citizens anyway?? It’s the fastest path to destroying our economy.
tickleddragon on May 22, 2007 at 1:46 PM
I’m seriously thinking about expatriating and staying here. No more of my money going to THIS government to destroy what my ancestor risked his life to create.
tickleddragon on May 22, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Add all those Illegal Immigrant gang bangers who can then com out of the shadows with clean records. Will this Z visa allow a person to legally purchase a gun??
Rich on May 22, 2007 at 2:00 PM
Tamar Jacoby is advocating for the invasion of the USA. She and the open border lobby see no problem with unlimited immigration legal or illegal, they see no difference.
She is so typical of the elite that worship at the alter of Globalism. They believe in one thing, the all mighty buck and to hell with our culture, language, and sovereignty.
IMHO-She is a Traitor,is aiding and abetting Illegal Immigration through her advocacy.
ScottyDog on May 22, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Well, no, Rich, this doesn’t apply to gangbangers. Everyone, in order to get a Z visa, needs to swear — SWEAR — that they don’t have gang affiliation. So we got that going for us.
jdpaz on May 22, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Did I hear him say that we would not have had the housing boom we had without illegal labor? I guess we can add carpenters to the list of jobs American’s won’t do. As well as plumbers, masons, electricians, ……
calirighty on May 22, 2007 at 3:09 PM
Don’t know if anyone else posted this, just watched it ,blood boiling
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=roy+beck&hl=en
bbz123 on May 22, 2007 at 3:26 PM
Just as the so called moderate Muslims will join in with the Jihad Muslims out of fear and to have the upper hand so will the hard working everyday good Mexicans join with the radical “the border crossed us” types, for the same reason.
Look at the future of our Country.
IMHO
abinitioadinfinitum on May 22, 2007 at 3:27 PM
I heard Michelle Malkin on Laura Ingraham this morning, and she was great. Tamar Jacoby was very civil, but her positions made no sense and Laura and Michelle called her on it.
There was an excellent caller who made a great point: We have already shown we will not deport illegal immigrants, so what is the incentive for them to stop coming here illegally and sign up for the temporary guest worker program. Absolutely none. Why on earth should they come forward? They have nothing to gain by it.
Laura mentioned Northern Virginia and the MS-13 problem we have here. Will gang members be deported? Doubtful. They will probably be given citizenship.
Tamar mentioned the “Illegals in the Shadows” BS. Project for anyone interested: Drive down Little River Turnpike in Northern Virginia between 395 and 495 (the Capital Beltway) and count the number of aliens “in the shadows” on the right hand side between Little River Shopping Center and the 7-11. Bring a camera. No joke: There has got to be 400+ of these aliens “in the shadows” looking for day laborer jobs.
januarius on May 22, 2007 at 3:35 PM
I’m not so sure I’d give Tamar any credit for that argument. After she said “we’ll send them home” she completely dodged the question of how we are going to send MS13 gang members home. She just got louder and then talked over Laura to change the direction of the show saying the same ol’ nonsense “my turn to talk”.
What completely lost my respect for her argument was when she was sure that “if there isn’t a bill to include the ms13 gang members, I’m SURE THERE WILL BE”…
How could she possibly say that? Blind ignorance? Stupidity? Lack of concern? It’s absolute one-sided selfish thinking, period.
MS13- Murderers all, yet they might not have been arrested, wait that still wont matter, they might not have been convicted of a felony so we’ll give them MORE privileges than my son has, and he’s a 17th generation American. A MS13 member if it would so chose, could go to college in Florida for less than our own children. In State tuition?
The fact these gang members are not specifically dealt with in this bill shows abhorrent incompetence in itself and makes you wonder what else they forgot.
Oh but according to Tamara, we’ll just write up a new law lickity split. No worries…er…no problema.(sic?)
Is this what the left really believes? Are they banking on sHillary to win?
AAAAArrrrggggghhhhhhhhh ! spftt.
shooter on May 22, 2007 at 5:16 PM
advertisements a requirement now?
mjkazee on May 22, 2007 at 6:07 PM
The corporate world that wants to manipulate market forces by having a controlling hand in the demography of a nation’s population should not be refered to as “libertatian”. That is absurd. Other then that great arguments Michelle.
Resolute on May 22, 2007 at 6:45 PM
Bryan,
I’m not excusing George Bush’s tax amnesty but here is an expanation
For Hispanic Families, most won’t earn enough income to pay income taxes, if we were to tax them as Americans most would likely qualify for tax credits and get a refund like the earned income tax credit which would also cancel their Social Security taxes
In other words we would be spending billions in audit fees to collect millions of dollars.
It was a common sense thing, not explained, but I don’t think anyone is listening anyway.
EricPWJohnson on May 22, 2007 at 8:51 PM
It is just another reward for breaking a law. There is no justification or explanation. We all know there will be no enforcement of any of this anyway. We have laws in place now and no one does a damned thing.
Wade on May 22, 2007 at 9:07 PM
Wade
I guess I wasn’t clear so I’ll explain, there’s no enforcement, because, most likely, there’s no tax owed.
Remember, families earning under certain amounts (which the overwhelming number of illegals fall in that category) actually get money from the government under the various tax credits, removing any paltry social security taxes they may have paid
We ACTUALLY under the IRS Code would have to be PAYING them money.
So Bush actually saved us, the taxpayers, money, now if this did pass and they were smart enough they could file back taxes and get the money to pay for the fines – easily – remember there are no penalties for not owing any tax, this is not a reward its the law
EricPWJohnson on May 22, 2007 at 10:19 PM
Lets examine the reason for allowing the illegals.
Bush and McCain and many others in Congress say the illegals are doing job Americans won’t do.
Think about that claim, I agree.
So, now we get 536 illegals, take them to Washington D.C. and have them do the job Americans won’t do.
Helloyawl on May 23, 2007 at 12:58 AM
Another reason to deport every single one of them.
csdeven on May 23, 2007 at 1:24 AM
First of all I don’t buy that most illegals make that little of money. They have no problem sending a hefty portion back home. They may make a little above the minimum wage but most work many hours or two jobs. Second is that they are causing a huge problem with social security from stealing identity’s. They are not paying taxes on income like they should be, and they are using government services without paying the price.
There is no economic gain by keeping illegals in this country. Bush is not saving us money.
right2bright on May 23, 2007 at 8:16 AM
You made it very clear the 1st time. My point is they are criminals. Were the day they crossed our border. Where is the enforcement of the law? What about the tax laws, in place of enforcement you try to justify forgiveness. Would you be so fast to justify forgiveness to citizens who ignore tax laws?
All crimes cost the taxpayers a huge amount of money in the totality of the law, which includes investigation, enforcement and penalty. Bush is willing forgive over 12 million cases of breaking USA laws and I find that there can be no justification for his doing that when he is sworn to protect the constitution.
Wade on May 23, 2007 at 9:05 AM
If you can’t build a 700 mile fence, how can you enforce 700 typewritten pages?
Tamar’s defence is tired and unproven. Americans will do the jobs; they just don’t want to work for increasingly lower wages. There has never been one study cited that has supported the ‘Americans won’t do these jobs’ mantra and recent anecdotal evidence, (the Swift raids), supports the opposite.
I’m tired of libertarians and the GOP taking the economic tack on this. I’m all for capitalism, but last I checked breaking the law to make money was, well, illegal. Bending the rules got Enron’s big wigs into a lot of hot water; Martha Stewart got in trouble for being less than forthcoming about a stock transaction, and you could argue that was a ‘victimless’ crime. It is not okay to break the law like this; these laws aren’t the anti dog-eat-dog laws out of Atlas Shrugged, either. They aren’t meant to ensure the monopoly of some and the destruction of any competition; they are meant to ensure that America continues to exist as a country. ALL countries have laws governing their borders and sovereignty; we are within our rights to enforce them.
We have to protect our borders to protect our country and disregarding them for your personal gain is just as represensible when a small time contractor does it as when someone like Ken Lay does; the people who suffered because of Enron’s demise were eulogised as victims, and they were victims of corrupt management. The victims of illegal immigration are just as maligned, but they are the American taxpayer, and the lawbreaking is spread across the country and done with the tacit approval of the Federal government. That doesn’t make it any less lamentable or wrong.
As I read various reactions to this, I see more and more illegal aliens who are interviewed and their sentiment is not only “we are owed this” but encouragement from previous amnesty beneficiaries who coach, “I was illegal but am a citizen now; just wait, your turn will come”.
We really do need to stop this; it will NOT get better unless we put enforcement first.
linlithgow on May 23, 2007 at 8:33 PM
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Allahpundit on May 26, 2007 at 10:34 AM
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