WaPo: Conservatives getting pwn3d by liberals online
posted at 3:22 pm on May 21, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Sad but true, for myriad reasons. The left is hungrier because they’ve been out of power; young adults, who are more likely to be Internet savvy, skew heavily Democratic; between Republican scandals and setbacks in Iraq, conservatives have little to defend; and there just aren’t many GOP leaders who excite the base (Fred! being a glaring exception).
WaPo nods at all that and floats an alternative theory, with an assist from a former Republican congressional aide: our fanatic devotion to message discipline requires us to be stenographers for Tony Snow and Rush Limbaugh, which alienates readers who seek the joyous cacophony of the nutroots’ barnyard symphony.
[A]n underlying cause may be the nature of the Republican Party and its traditional discipline — the antithesis of the often chaotic, bottom-up, user-generated atmosphere of the Internet.
“We’ve always been a party of staying on message,” All said. “It’s the Rush Limbaugh model. What Tony Snow says in the White House filters down to talk radio, which makes its way to the blogs.”…
“What was once seen as a liability for Democrats and progressives in the past — they couldn’t get 20 people to agree to the same thing, they could never finish anything, they couldn’t stay on message — is now an asset,” Leyden said. “All this talking and discussing and fighting energizes everyone, involves everyone, and get people totally into it.”
Patrick Ruffini responds:
[T]he notion that the left-blogs harbor open debate is pretty laughable. On what? The Iraq war? Tax cuts? Name a serious policy issue where Kos, Atrios, Hamsher, and Aravosis disagree.
Yeah, and needless to say, WaPo really picked the wrong week to accuse right-wing blogs of carrying water for Bush. For all the whining Rick Ellensburg and his ilk do about the “Republican noise machine,” no one on the right has issued any diktats to our own candidates on Meet the Press that “They do not undermine the Democratic Party. That’s the litmus test.” Nor was it an outcry from lefty blogs that helped sink Harriet Miers and got Bush to reconsider the Dubai Ports deal. In fact, many of the most highly trafficked right-wing blogs are to the left of the administration and the Republican base on social issues; certainly Instapundit is, as is Charles Johnson, as am I (as disgruntled readers occasionally e-mail to note). That might explain in part why big right-wing sites lag behind big lefties in traffic: except for the boss and our own Bryan Preston, there just aren’t many voices among the very biggest righty sites that resonate with committed social cons on domestic issues, and even MM and BP devote more of their attention to terrorism and immigration than subjects like abortion or gay marriage.
Which brings me to another point. The term “warbloggers” has fallen out of favor as Iraq’s fortunes have declined but I’ve always thought it was in some ways a better description of the right-wing blogosphere than “right-wing blogosphere.” Eric Boehlert used it, with obvious derisive intent, during the Jamil Hussein sniping, but it accurately captures why many conservatives came to blogging — as an outlet after 9/11 to learn more about Islamic fundamentalism and raise awareness about its effect on the politics and culture of the Middle East. That’s still the chief preoccupation of LGF, MM’s two sites, the Jawa Report, and many others, but the downside is that it leaves electoral politics neglected on many big traffic righty blogs (although not all, of course, per the Corner, Red State, Captain Ed, and Hewitt). That’ll evolve a bit as we get closer to 2008, but if you’re wondering why the right hasn’t made more of an effort to organize and push Republicans for congressional seats, etc., this is a big reason why. It’s just not where our passion is. Although President Hillary being sworn in would do wonders to change that.
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Yeah, about that message discipline, AllahP:
Did you not get the memo on the upcoming Transformers movie? It is “a sad example of a degraded culture,” not (as in your review) amazingly awesome robot smack-down pr0n.
Don’t make me send you to VRWC re-education camp.
Yours truly, MFC (Minion First-Class)
Anton on May 21, 2007 at 3:32 PM
Speaking of Jamil Hussein, has anyone seen this non existent person yet?
Capitalist Infidel on May 21, 2007 at 3:36 PM
Ahhh… but you must remember that we are all mesmerized by Zombie Reagan…
Question: If the leftys are driving the anti war sentiment in Congress… does this make them a Vast LEFT Wing Conspiricy?
Romeo13 on May 21, 2007 at 3:39 PM
Plus it is easier to hate than to create.
What is the Dem plan for anything serious but fleeing from harsh reality?
Deny the Jihad, deny the need to ever fight [WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER], villify your own national past [slavery, Indians], but never examine the worse pasts of those that are honored [Massacring Mao, terrorist Che, ad nauseam] in “contrast”.
Hysteria is always more alluring to to the immature.
So the mere “numbers” at “left” online sites may only mean a lot of piling on, not any real unified and coherent meaning.
profitsbeard on May 21, 2007 at 3:39 PM
I tend to believe this take… Liblog cacophany is not useful at all. They tend to be shrill and hateful, rather than thoughtful OR thought provoking.
tickleddragon on May 21, 2007 at 3:40 PM
President Hillary being sworn in would definitely energize the GOP…I’m just afraid that we might not survive her to see any good change.
DCJeff on May 21, 2007 at 3:44 PM
Brought to mind by the photo on the main page….
Two words: Senator Lamont.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 21, 2007 at 3:44 PM
True, but neo-cons still own AM radidio. It’s a ‘left brain thang’.
But, traditionally, most of mass media has skewed left – music, film, television, and now, the internet – with its streaming, vivid color, chop shop, hand held, avante gard, scintillating, instant gratification, ubiquitous total vulcan mind meld addictive quality. I mean that in a wholesome kinda way. Leftists love that kinda stuff.
locomotivebreath1901 on May 21, 2007 at 3:44 PM
*bangs head*
Sorry, carry on. It is sad but true though, the hippies have the advantage on the intertubes.
Dash on May 21, 2007 at 3:45 PM
Which makes sense since Gore invented it.
Dash on May 21, 2007 at 3:46 PM
I think an advantage the left-wingers have is more people willing to waste their free time. It’s hard to find conservatives with so little to do that they can digg and bury stuff all day, but there seems to be a surplus of those people on the left. Same thing with Wikipedia; it’s a tyranny of people with too much time on their hands.
frankj on May 21, 2007 at 3:47 PM
Does that mean we speak truth to power? And, all the more reason to try to remember we here agree more than disagree on the big picture. Let’s fight the real enemy.
Buck Turgidson on May 21, 2007 at 3:50 PM
“Of course I
peed my pantsread left-wing blogs, everyone my agepees their pantsread left-wing blogs. It’s the coolest! … You ain’t cool, unless youpee your pantsread left-wing blogs!”Billy Madison
BohicaTwentyTwo on May 21, 2007 at 3:50 PM
True enough, AP, but you must admit that your readership is, by and large, quite decidedly to the right of the administration on social issues. (Education, health care, immigration, government spending…)
As usual, though, the article misses the mark in its analysis, but that’s not unexpected given the bias they can’t avoid bringing with them:
There is more, and more respectful, variance of ideas on sites such as this, Patterico, LGF, etc., than on any leading left-wing blog site. Dare to oppose the mob at KOS, HUFFPO, or DU, and your comments disappear along with your commenting privilege. Not so the conservative sites.
The liberals believe that we are lockstepped automatons, when they will NEVER understand that what binds the right is a much broader foundation of agreement on the foundations of this nation, it’s freedoms and responsibilities. This also explains the displeasure of the conservative base with the current administrations failure in this area.
Freelancer on May 21, 2007 at 3:53 PM
I admit it. The left is far more obsessive/compulsive than the right is.
Add to it the right works for a living while most of the left live at home and have time to whine it gives them an enormous advantage.
William Amos on May 21, 2007 at 3:54 PM
Really?? I’m not that excited… but maybe I’m not the base.
Opinionnation on May 21, 2007 at 3:54 PM
I thought Ron Paul was winning the web right now, last time I checked, while being a fruitcake, he’s still a Republican and conservative on many issues.
jp on May 21, 2007 at 3:55 PM
Very interesting analysis.
Although I’d add my own theory – a much simpler one – of why the right-wing blogosphere will never, ever really compete with the left-wing:
Liberals talk about doing things. Talk about thinking about doing things. Talk about how best to talk about talking about doing things. Etc.
Conservatives do things.
While overly simplistic, that is, in fact, one simple difference between the two sides. Conservatives act; liberals talk. Conservatives solve problems – liberals form committees to form symposia to address the most diverse and multi-cultural way to approach discussing the problem they might one day think about solving …
With that in mind, it becomes obvious that conservative blogs are never, ever going to be as popular as liberal blogs.
And personally I take that as an enormous compliment.
Professor Blather on May 21, 2007 at 3:57 PM
Oh, don’t forget the most significant factor in left-wing blogs’ higher population numbers. It’s harder to spend all day on blog sites if you’re working 8-10 hours a day. (Fortunately, almost all of my work day is spent at a terminal with Web access, so I’m an anomaly)
Freelancer on May 21, 2007 at 3:57 PM
Allah, the reason we are weaker than the left online is for many reasons, some which you covered.
I actually think part of the problem is that we need a well organized KOS-type ideological enforcer wing, as much as that’ll make people squirm to hear after we’ve spent years ripping into the oft unsavory behavior of the Kossacks.
Between the unbelievable spending and pork barrel grubbing and immigration, wimpy defense of our fight against Jihadis, failure to defend the economy, to McCain and other “Maverick” outbursts, to the weaksauce candidates we see running for 08 (unless Fred! jumps in*fingers crossed*)
Our elite will not fight for any of our values (from pure social con to secular libertine types), and its obvious the only way to make them to do a damn thing correctly is unbridled fear of a crackdown and denunciation by a large activist base.
I made a similar point at Aces a few days ago after someone was lamenting that Ace and us moron commenters sounded like Kossacks on the immigration issue. I said that was good thing and I stand by that.
I read some pundit somewhere a while ago said something like “The GOP elite have disdain for their base, Democrats fear theirs.” We need to be feared.
The key difference between us and the Kossack types will be that our movements will be agenda driven first, theirs is driven by rabid hatred first.
Once that kind of machinery is in the works, we’ll see everything else fall into place on the internet front, the right will take it back over. MSM front, we’ll still have to fight to develop our own.
Bad Candy on May 21, 2007 at 3:58 PM
Yup. This is true, too. Liberals are happy to chatter online all day; conservatives do, in fact, have to go to work.
Professor Blather on May 21, 2007 at 3:58 PM
The lefty blogs are so powerful they actually dictate what the Dems say, if not always how they vote.
“The Democratic Party does not undermine the nutroots. That’s the litmus test.” Hence the “Property of DKos” written in marker on the waistband of Harry Reid’s tighty whities.
saint kansas on May 21, 2007 at 4:02 PM
WAPO is reporting that Fred will enter the race by the end of June.
They even linked to the “Sign the Run Fred petiton”
Fred
William Amos on May 21, 2007 at 4:09 PM
Bingo. My point exctly.
As for the ‘liberals have more time’ thing, maybe true, and may well be always true, but we can’t make that an excuse not to compete. We can’t become resigned to giving up the internet to the nutroots. Rush and talk radios audience will age, and if we give up the internet, we’ll lose one or more generations, easily.
Liberals will aggressively pound away at people with non-nutroot positions viciously even on non-political sites. Even a centrist person will get shredded, and many people cede or find themselves ebbing away their position to an onslaught of liberal venom. They also frame rhetoric, they force people on non political blogs in casual discussion of things to frame things in Liberal Newspeak or in a liberal manner.
Bad Candy on May 21, 2007 at 4:11 PM
No the same problem the GOP has is the problem they have had for DECADES. Namely that the party spends and puts too little effort into organization. They blow all their money on media.
I have fought with the RNC types that gloat about a “technology Advantage” because they have massive email efforts. To them sending millions of emails means an advantage.
meanwhile in my local area I see the DNC using Unions, the NAACP, and various other groups as proxies to “Get out the vote” and register new voters. The GOP’s responce ? They email me and tell me to email 10 freinds and get out the vote that way.
Its anutterly stupid pyramid scheme in which the GOP has to do very little and puts all the effort on people who have little time or finances to do the footwork for them. I tell them if the sink just a SMALL part of their budget into GOTV efforts and build a good organization they could win more elections. I get look at like Im crazy.
The GOP needs to serious GUT the RNC leadership. It is utterly clueless on how to win.
William Amos on May 21, 2007 at 4:15 PM
Professor, this reminds me of when my daughter was in grade school. She was nominated for an award because of her extra work, which included:
Walking the only blind girl in the school to lunch, carrying her books, odering her food, etc.
Wrote an award winning essay. The only one in the school district to do so.
Helped the teacher before class to prepare for the day, helped her after school to clean up.
Organized field trips.
And she was just in the 6th grade.
She got beat out at the ceremony by a girl who’s achievments were:
She wants to be president of the United States
She wants to buy her grandma a new house, because the one she’s living in is old and falling apart
She wants to help feed starving children in Africa
I swear to God this is true. The girl who won had no tangible acheivments, but won anyway.
So yeah, I agree, liberals talk.
SuperManGreenLantern on May 21, 2007 at 4:21 PM
No kidding. Hamsher, for one, has the most hypocritical, echo chamber kumbyah, spoon fed comment sections of any blog on the sphere.
She and her nazi-like moderators delete within seconds any comment that isn’t remotely Townhouse list serv. approved. They can’t HANDLE any points other points of view.
If that’s superior internet presence, they can have it. I thinks that’s dimwitted, fraidy cat, propaganda group think of the worse kind.
Topsecretk9 on May 21, 2007 at 4:21 PM
BTW, what ever happened to Carl Rove? Is he kept in a glass case that reads “Break In An Emergency”.
natesnake on May 21, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Who cares if we are “losing” the internet. To who? The demographic that has low turnout and turns into conservatives once they have children and learn a little bit about the world? I cannot tell you how many latinos that were members of MECHA that now recognize that organazation is racist.
I submit we are not losing. Michelle shutdown Akon and got coverage of that guresome murder from her internet pulpit. Who is losing?
Theworldisnotenough on May 21, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Hey when cHillary wins, Hot Air’s stock will go off the charts! The Blogosphere power will shift.
Drtuddle on May 21, 2007 at 4:23 PM
ALLAH>>>>were you reading my MIND this morning?
I am discouraged…blog weary of preaching to the converted. And the demographics are just NOT THERE for the Right on the WEB.
WHAT TO DO?
SAVE YOURSELVES. SAVE YOUR OWN NEST. PASS THE WORD LOCALLY, but TURN THE BULLHORN BACK ON YOURSELVES.
seejanemom on May 21, 2007 at 4:26 PM
This reminds me of the overriding unplanned theme that came out of WisPolitics’ Blog Summit – a basic difference of purpose between the right side and the moonbat side of the Cheddarsphere. We righties tend to blog to vent individually. They blog to advance their homogenious goal of crushing us.
steveegg on May 21, 2007 at 4:26 PM
What percentage of the left-webbers actually take the time to turn off their x-box or mute Poprah to go to the polls?
We might be quieter, but I bet we all know where our voter registration cards are.
Limerick on May 21, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Yes, they talk, but LIBERALS FEEL.
Conservatives THINK.
seejanemom on May 21, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Amos, if you put the two of our points together, I’d agree. We do need a more active ground up operation from the RNC, but at this stage I’m seeing snowball fights in hell before then. A Kos-type enforcer wing wouldn’t be hard to assemble.
Bad Candy on May 21, 2007 at 4:27 PM
VEEEEEEEEERY well said!!!!
And “POPRAH”….oh…GAWD, I think I might wet my britches. THAT’S A KEEEEEPER, Limerick!!!!
seejanemom on May 21, 2007 at 4:29 PM
Janeeeeee, your CAPS LOCK, !!!!!!!! and EEEEEEEE keys APPEAR TO be STICKING AT random INTERVALS!!1!!!!!11!1
Bad Candy on May 21, 2007 at 4:33 PM
Hmm, I dunno. The GOP has really dropped the ball on communications, following the WH’s lead I guess. To totally misread the base like they’ve done with Amnesty is unforgivable. The RNC leadership should resign.
Despite claims to the contrary, I don’t think Conservatives are as big on ideological purity as the lefties are. That’s why our “echo chamber” doesn’t seem to be as big. Our ideology/interests/passions are more difuse. Dissent is tolerated, so it takes longer for a consesus position to develop as we’ve no thought police pushing the party line.
Iblis on May 21, 2007 at 4:34 PM
I don’t know about the moonbats, but I actually work all day. I don’t have time to go clickwhoring on Digg and KOS.
I don’t have the luxury of sitting at home, collecting a welfare check, and surfing the web all day on my tax payer funded PC.
RightWired on May 21, 2007 at 4:35 PM
Jane, the great one :) – we like to be respected first, then loved.
Just searching for their ’strategy’ on the WoT is the best example. This it tough, long and muddy. But they have nothing but talk, anti-Bush and surrender.
Entelechy on May 21, 2007 at 4:39 PM
…and of course, winning in 2008, even if that means losing and selling your own country.
Entelechy on May 21, 2007 at 4:39 PM
BTW
On way you tell the difference about the sorosphere vs. the rightosphere…if this article was about the sorosphere, they wouldn’t have the stones to address it and would impose a complete embargo on anyone posting about it.
Topsecretk9 on May 21, 2007 at 4:50 PM
Look, you’ll never meet the numbers of a Kos, but you have to keep splash effect in mind too. Rush has what, anywhere from 15-25 million viewers estimated, right? You think his influence is only 15-25 million? I’d bet its around 30-60 million. I bet dittoheads everywhere influence other people’s thinking.
Even if they only get a few minutes in, he has their ear, and can make them aware of issues. Michelle has what, 2-300k a day at her personal site, plus her columns and appearances on O’Reilly? There’s overlap of course, but she may be effecting tens to hundreds of thousands.
Look, you may never compete at an equal level with Kos DU MediaMatters or the Diggbats, or whoever, but you are risking losing a generation that lives online if you are going to raise the white flag and concede the internet to the left because “We work/have lives”.
You don’t have to have a super deep social network, just a decent central site that lets you know whats going on, and what you need to know, and which RINO is about to sell you out while highlighting those who rep your values, stories of successful activists, and with a strong, politically active membership.
Bad Candy on May 21, 2007 at 4:50 PM
via Drudge
Dems Set War Bill Without Iraq Timeline
In grudging concessions to President Bush, Democrats intend to draft an Iraq war-funding bill without a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops and shorn of billions of dollars in spending on domestic programs, officials said Monday.
Topsecretk9 on May 21, 2007 at 4:51 PM
I agree entirely.
I don’t think there’s a need for hand-wringing here. I don’t think losing this is necessarily losing at all. Actually, I think trying to compete with liberals on their own terms is the only way we lose.
Liberals will always talk. Conservatives will always do.
When the electorate is in a mood to sit around and mumble, they’ll elect more liberal officials.
When the electorate decides its time to actually get things done, they’ll elect conservatives.
Professor Blather on May 21, 2007 at 4:51 PM
Even if you have one definitive place that people can visit for five minutes a day where they can network with others, it’ll make a huge difference.
Bad Candy on May 21, 2007 at 4:52 PM
I would disagree on there being setbacks in Iraq.
The only setback was giving MSM access to the battlefield so they could distort it with their liberal bias.
Of course fighting a “Civil, genteel war, while our opponents wage terrorism, is not exactly the most englightening of reasoning either”
MarkB on May 21, 2007 at 4:57 PM
I can’t take credit for it seejane…..I remember it from some poster during the last election cycle. I ain’t that smart!
Limerick on May 21, 2007 at 5:06 PM
All well and good except that when we elect Republicans, they sell us out and never enact conservative agendas.
Not to mention the fact that you’re talking about a generation that is just leaving the liberal indocrination centers *schools* (which are much more purely leftist and ideological than what you probably went to), and ceding their main place of communication to the left is mindnumbingly stupid. I can’t believe you people are willing to just roll over and let the left have anything for free, but this in particular.
Bad Candy on May 21, 2007 at 5:08 PM
If the vile, hateful screech boxes with rigidly imposed ideological uniformity that passes for discussion on the Left is winning, then count me a loser.
Don’t you think the Left loses an adherent every time Huffpost has a die-Tony-Snow or Jews-rule-the-world thread?
Clark1 on May 21, 2007 at 5:09 PM
Just think of them as gateway drugs…. Look at the primetime speakers at the RNC convention in ‘04, political easy listening all.
Mayor “Screw ‘Em” should watch out. There’s a sleeping giant just waiting to be converted to digital. The right blogosphere is decidedly secular. No one would describe the conservative base as secular. When pews are metaphorically wired for high speed data, there will be a larger second conservative blogosphere brought online. The next Moral Majority will not emanate from a pulpit, but an RSS feed.
Someone should remind Kos about his plans -
rw on May 21, 2007 at 5:10 PM
No, don’t remind him of that plan. Liberals online are coopting Evangelical Atheism, Alvengelicalism and good ol fashioned Marxism and building pseudoreligious movements. Don’t encourage them.
Bad Candy on May 21, 2007 at 5:20 PM
…but you are adorable and I (we) love you :)
Seriously now, you are very modest. Not-smart people are not as witty as you Limerick. But one thing you are is modest, a great attribute. And good, and did a lot of good…and enough of this for today, lest you get snooty :)
Entelechy on May 21, 2007 at 5:24 PM
Biased BS
The (D)emocrats are being led around by the nose by the nutroots. Of the top 10 politically oriented sites on the net 8 are Conservative.
And no one believes the Daily “Screw’Em” Kos numbers aren’t ‘gamed’. How else do you explain that only hundreds showed up for their convention? If they really had 500,000 visitors a day then thousands of those would live in Las Vegas and would have shown up.
DANEgerus on May 21, 2007 at 5:27 PM
***********shucks****************:)
Limerick on May 21, 2007 at 5:27 PM
I never get the feeling that the right blogs want to lead a “movement”, whereas the left blogs do. I certainly never get the feeling that people that read blogs on the right want to be part of a movement, where the left blog dwellers do.
Right now, the Dems are (kind of) listening to the left blogs, because they (incorrectly) think because of the large numbers, they are representative of something. Soon enough, they’ll figure out the leftroots are just a bunch of people socializing. Surely last years YearlyKos must have felt weird to the Pols. Presidential hopefuls showing up for 1,000 people? 900 of whom then had to declare they weren’t impressed by Candidate x’s cocktail party/tshirts/panel. That couldn’t have been a good way to spend money.
MayBee on May 21, 2007 at 6:41 PM
At a recent grassroots conservative meeting, when someone mentioned the media and blogs in passing, one guy snorted and derisively said “That’s dying. Only the Democrats use that now”. He said it as if it was a good thing.
And therein lies the failing GOP Internet strategy; arrogance and a lack of understanding.
linlithgow on May 21, 2007 at 6:46 PM
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Criminy! If the ¿fred? groupies are the base, the conservatives are in deep doodoo. They act like the Beatles groupies of the 60’s. Screaming and renting their hair over words that tickles their ears. It reminds me of the left and their mindless rantings over their emotional issues.
Let the kooky left have the internet. Those dimbulbs wont leave their moms basement to vote for fear that their pasty pale skin might get some color.
csdeven on May 21, 2007 at 6:48 PM
I believe the big picture here is that Conservatives, neocons, if you will, tend to follow their own hearts and minds much more then those on the Left. This leads to an enormous amount of right wing blogs. Check the top 250 in the Ecosphere. Most are on the right. Why? Because there is a vast amount of varying thought. You might get something different from Captain Ed then from Michelle then from Wizbang.
On the left, most tend to parrot each other, as liberals like to go for the group think. How many new liberal blogs have jumped up over the past few years? What would be the point when they would be saying the same thing as Kos and the others? New conservative blogs tend to bring different points of view and outlooks, which I, for one, welcome.
Also, you tend to find more then just politics on right wing blogs. We have lots of fun. Blogs should be fun. Non stop seething sucks. How much fun do they have on left wing blogs?
Woops, forgot, seething is fun for the Nutroots. My bad!
William Teach on May 21, 2007 at 7:02 PM
“That people on the political Left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the Left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred. Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with any political views. But, for many on the Left, indignation is not a sometime thing. It is a way of life. How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians take to the streets, shouting angry slogans? How often have conservative students on campus shouted down a visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the visitor from speaking at all? The source of the anger of liberals, ‘progressives,’ or radicals is by no means readily apparent. The targets of their anger have included people who are non-confrontational or even genial, such as Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. It is hard to think of a time when Karl Rove or Dick Cheney has even raised his voice, but they are hated like the devil incarnate. There doesn’t even have to be any identifiable individual to arouse the ire of the Left… If it is hard to find a principle behind what angers the Left, it is not equally hard to find an attitude. Their greatest anger seems to be directed at people and things that thwart or undermine the social vision of the Left, the political melodrama starring the Left as saviors of the poor, the environment, and other busybody tasks that they have taken on. It seems to be the threat to their egos that they hate. And nothing is more of a threat to their desire to run other people’s lives than the free market and its defenders.” — Thomas Sowell
What is the Daily “Screw’Em” Kos on elections anyway? 0-23 now that anti-Semite playboy truther Lamont went down in the general election?
DANEgerus on May 21, 2007 at 7:03 PM
What will these people do if the democrats do gain all the power? Who will they rant against? Their success could destroy them.
Rose on May 21, 2007 at 7:15 PM
Rose, they will find something or someone. They cannot be happy unless they are seething, and being happy makes them mad, which makes them happy, etc, and so on.
On a more serious note, after visiting MyDD for another reason, they are all ecstatic over the article, and mention fund raising. Well, there is a big difference. The Dems seem to almost exist to 1. seethe, and 2. raise money for dems.
Do you see much fund raising in the Right-O-Sphere? Me neither. It isn’t our thing.
William Teach on May 21, 2007 at 7:22 PM
seejanemom, I read your blog link and I want you to Cheer Up
as for the ‘off-grid housing’ you’re gonna read up on, you and Others Among the Distressed should consider…..Old Europe
Poland, for instance: cheap housing, no immigration, a REAL Catholic Church ( with muscle & presence ) and the country is run by twin brothers who are President and Prime Minister —can’t make that one up
“Hungary” — Magyarsk– is more complicated and doesn’t have the twin brothers, but has all of the advantages of Poland without the ( insert Polish joke here )
I don’t think the jihadis will get very far in either country, as both spent centuries fighting them off, from the East and South, and Old Memories last a long time in this part of the world
It’s still hard to get a Coca-Cola out in the countryside, though……………
Janos Hunyadi on May 21, 2007 at 7:56 PM
The left is emotion and the right is thought. Deprive the left of its emotion and it loses. Deprive the right of its thought and it loses.
Run phred run!
Mojave Mark on May 21, 2007 at 8:15 PM
DANEgerus:
I was wondering when someone would bring that up – they’re notorious for gaming every poll they see online – why not traffic “polls?”
Merovign on May 21, 2007 at 8:55 PM
csdeven,
So where is your perfect alternative……………That’s right you don’t have one all you have is your paranoid fears of Fred……..You keep attacking Fred while never ever offering a viable alternative. Show us a viable worthy alternative or shut up. Oh wait you cant because you dont have one……….
doriangrey on May 21, 2007 at 9:00 PM
Your emotionalism is preventing you from understanding my position (which I have explained many times) on this.
For. The. Last. Time. My alternative is for ¿fred? to actually get involved. Announce that he will announce just as many other candidates have. It doesn’t affect his legal status with some TV show he supposedly appears on. Get interview by people other than the ones picked by his manager.
I question his record. You don’t defend his record. You attack me. I have enumerated many issues that I feel he will have to account for. WHY does that bother you so? Is it because his history is indefensible? If so, WHY are you a obsequious ¿fred? fan? Especially since he isn’t even a candidate. It’s hysterically comical to me.
I am looking for the conservative candidate that can win the white house in 08. I don’t care who it is because ANY conservative is better than ANY liberal ANY minute of ANY day.
As far as the groupie comments go, those are friendly jabs in the ribs of my likewise concerned conservative compadres. Don’t take them personally.
:-) Peace.
csdeven on May 21, 2007 at 9:24 PM
This is a great description of DailyKos. I pop over every now and then to see what their subjects are, and I find the way their stuff is written and presented is quite boring and not very user friendly. Then I try to follow some of the comments and they’re shallow, very negative and remind me of when I was in high-school. And the sheer numbers! One of the reasons I like this site so much is that I can read all the comments and it doesn’t take me 2 days to do it. Good Lord, 2 days of silly, mean spirited one liners, I’d be brain dead after that!
4shoes on May 21, 2007 at 9:37 PM
They will turn on each other, they do it now, it’ll be much worse, and yes they could self destruct.
4shoes on May 21, 2007 at 9:40 PM
Now, see? If I said that…
Probably true, though.
baldilocks on May 21, 2007 at 9:59 PM
csdeven- you still got nothin’
Numbers of sites or members is not the determining factor. We have a significant qualitative advantage and out of our undisciplined style will rise actual answers and actual solutions. Read all about it.
TBinSTL on May 21, 2007 at 10:03 PM
WaPo indulges itself, once again, in wishful thinking.
Hate and rhetorical excess will almost always generate more blog participation than rational discussion of issues, no matter whether Dem or GOP.
Before blogs, I was active in forums. Comparing any two forums on the same side of an issue, the one that expressed more emotionalism almost always had more participation than the more civil, issue-oriented one. Forums allowed flamers because flamers generated big numbers of viewers and posters. Why would it be any different with blogs?
petefrt on May 21, 2007 at 10:42 PM
As Allah said, most of the major right-leaning blogs really disdain social conservatism.
That’s one of the reasons I respect Michelle Malkin so much, the fact that she treats social conservatism with respect.
Nor does she have a problem with God (unlike to most of the major right-leaning blogs), which is indeed a breath of fresh air.
clark smith on May 21, 2007 at 11:19 PM
From the WashigtonPost article written by Jose Vargas:
My collie says:
CyberCipher on May 21, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Heck. I don’t even know what a nimnul is much less a doyenne.
csdeven on May 22, 2007 at 1:27 AM
What we need is more dancing lamas.
- The Cat
MirCat on May 22, 2007 at 4:10 AM
That’s ok, you don’t know the difference between a groupie and a hopeful supporter either. And it’s the other way around from how you present it. Fred!s backers aren’t the conservative base. The conservative base, having no remotely acceptable choice among “announced” candidates, have become Fred! backers.
But please, continue your ranting, us groupies learn so very much more about things each time you tell us exactly the same things One. More. Time.
Freelancer on May 22, 2007 at 5:27 AM
Obama, Edwards, and Hillary. Bwahahahahahaha!
William Teach on May 22, 2007 at 6:36 AM
When I see one I’ll know the difference.
You keep telling yourself that and I’m sure all ¿freds? problematic stances will magically go away the minute he announces.
That’s okay too, because all I’ve heard from the ¿fred? groupies is the Same. Old. Thing.
So, we’re even.
csdeven on May 22, 2007 at 7:42 AM
JANOS>>>>
You ARE a dear. And that is a good idea, but there IS no “Old Europe”. America is still the only hope and I have roots that go back 230+ years in this country. I’m not going anywhere that I don’t know intimately.
Read Mark Steyn’s book, and you will see why Europe is now “Eurabia”.
And besides, I am a Southerner>>>>an APPALACHIAN-AMERICAN, to be exact, there are places so deep in the hills and plains of this country, the rest of the mind-numbed pop culture addicts will be armpit deep in illegals and jihadis before country boys feel the first ripple.
I am no eco-hippie, but I know when things get bad (and THEY WILL in the metropolitan areas), I will not want to be sitting in a McMansion in a vinyl farm depending on municipal water and services (KATRINA redux?)…
….just sayin’………..
seejanemom on May 22, 2007 at 9:06 AM
Who cares about a group of people united by their hatred for one person or party??
budorob on May 22, 2007 at 9:17 AM
It’s all pretty simple really. Being liberal comes easily for those who are younger. Liberal dogma is plagued with naivety, irresponsibility, and being “reality based”. Only when people become older and more mature do they become either a moderate or conservative, and finally understand that, no, communism doesn’t work in reality, and no, world peace is not as easy as telling evil people to stop killing.
Also, the newer generations are less religious (thus less conservative) due to the simple fact that religion is becoming increasingly useless to us. People go to religion for many reasons. One of these, poverty, has become more and more irrelevant in the past century in the US. If you have what you need, you’re less likely to pray to God to help you and your family get what you need.
Younger, less religious people are the ones flooding the internet these days, and thus liberals are pwning conservatives online.
That’s just an atheists take on it, anyways.
Seixon on May 22, 2007 at 9:49 AM
I just gotta say, I love seeing the ‘peeping Kos’ pic again.
James on May 22, 2007 at 10:34 AM
I doubt there’s been much change in people’s tendency to hold something sacred or their tendency to believe authoritative opinions.
Kralizec on May 22, 2007 at 11:27 AM
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