Leapfrog: Florida moves primary to January 29; Update: McCain slams Romney in conference call; Update: Romney hits back

posted at 1:02 pm on May 21, 2007 by Allahpundit

Despite the fact that both parties’ rules prohibit primaries before February 5:

Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Stacie Paxton said the state would lose 50 percent of its delegates and all its superdelegates _ typically members of Congress. Any candidate who campaigns in Florida for a primary earlier than Feb. 5 will be ineligible for receiving any of the state’s delegates, Paxton said.

She added that the DNC hoped to work out a separate plan with the state party, such as a caucus…

The Republican National Committee has warned it will strip 50 percent of Florida’s delegates if the state’s primary is moved.

Whoever wins Florida on January 29 will be surfing momentum into Mega Tuesday a week later so I guess they’re willing to give up their delegates at the convention for the right to play kingmaker. In fact, they might not have to: MSNBC thinks the DNC is blowing smoke about penalties here and that they’ll end up making a deal in which they’ll endorse the Florida primary on the condition that South Carolina — which until now was supposed to be the only primary held on January 29 — gets to move up a week also, to the 22nd, to retain its pride of place.

The big loser is Mitt, who’s leading in Iowa just as that state’s losing its relevance to the nomination. MSNBC thinks there’s a chance that Michigan might move up to January 29th too, though, which would rescue Romney given the fact that he’s leading there on the strength of his family pedigree. If that happens then January 29th might not decide things but it will make it a two-man race on Mega Tuesday: Mitt, the Michigan winner, versus the Florida winner. Winner takes nomination.

This also means Fred has one less week to get into the race, of course.

Exit question one: Who does this most help? Lots of transplanted New Yorkers in Florida, of course, and the state’s famously purplish, so it’s good news for the centrist candidates, Rudy and Hillary. Edwards’s and Thompson’s southern roots can’t hurt either. It would seem to be a wash for Romney, McCain, and Obama, although between Iraq and amnesty, McCain might be out of the race by January anyway. Exit question two: There’s probably an easy answer to this that I’m missing, but why don’t the other big states join in this prisoner’s dilemma and move their primaries to the 29th now too?

Update: He’s desperate.

“Maybe I should wait a couple weeks and see if [Romney’s position] changes, since it’s changed in less than a year.”

“Maybe his solution would be to get out his small varmint gun and drive those Guatemalans off his lawn or something.”

Update: Having been served up a fat pitch by St. John, Mitt swings away.

“Governor Romney has been very clear that he opposes this immigration agreement, which clearly falls short of the American public’s expectations. It seems that certain candidates who brokered this flawed plan are having a very difficult time grappling with or coming to terms with the political fallout that has ensued in a substantive manner.”


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It would seem to be a wash for Romney, McCain, and Obama, although between Iraq and amnesty, McCain might be out of the race by then anyway.

Oh yeah…McCain’s screwin’ the pooch with the Amnesty Bill.

That would be the ONLY thing good about the bill.

tickleddragon on May 21, 2007 at 1:10 PM

great……Coral Gables and gets to decide who are the chosen ones.

Limerick on May 21, 2007 at 1:10 PM

Limerick on May 21, 2007 at 1:10 PM

Good thing then, that Chain Gang Charlie signed off on optical-scan ballots for the entire state. No touch-screens, punch cards, or hanging chads. Voting in Florida has been simplified down to knowing how to read, and knowing how to draw a straight line.

Kid from Brooklyn on May 21, 2007 at 1:18 PM

Lots of transplanted New Yorkers in Florida, of course, and the state’s famously purplish, so it’s good news for the centrist candidates, Rudy and Hillary.

The numbers seem to indicate that, as well, but Obama has a good shot to make some noise here, as does Fred! if he gets off his ayzz.

Kid from Brooklyn on May 21, 2007 at 1:20 PM

Also plenty of opportunities for fraud.

bbz123 on May 21, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Does anyone pay an attention to Florida?

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on May 21, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Ref update….

Sorry but LMAO……McCain sounds like me just after my wife gives me another honey-do list!

‘Oh nothing dear….I was just talking to the critters’

Limerick on May 21, 2007 at 1:27 PM

I dunno, do I need to care about this? I mean are we going to keep seeing states jockey for position like this and what’s the outcome? Longer Presidential cycles, which is pretty neutral to me. I suppose it will effect who has the edge in getting nominated.

Why not do a rotation or something.

Dash on May 21, 2007 at 1:27 PM

“Maybe his solution would be to get out his small varmint gun and drive those Guatemalans off his lawn or something.”

Ha! I like that one. =)

Dash on May 21, 2007 at 1:29 PM

McCain jumps the shark in a cloak room off the Senate floor, which is logical, since the biggest, nastiest sharks all hang out there. Now, he’s got to take the varmint gun to his opponents. Truly…desperate.

Jaibones on May 21, 2007 at 1:30 PM

bye bye McCain. Barnett says you’re toast, and you are.

PRCalDude on May 21, 2007 at 1:31 PM

Following MKH’s links, you get to this nugget:

He also added: “There are some in the Evangelical community [such as Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention] who see this as a humanitarian issue as well.”

So it is a humanitarian responsibility of the U.S. to take in everybody from everywhere who is worse off than us? Sorry, Sen. McCain, but for you to coopt that comment in such a context means you want it to be considered part of your own opinion. (It’s really a standard political trick. Use someone else’s words as an answer to a tough question, and if there’s backlash, “Hey, I was just telling you what this guy thought.”) You’ve blown it, and made yourself unelectable.

Freelancer on May 21, 2007 at 1:32 PM

They need the extra month to count the votes.

Zing!

saint kansas on May 21, 2007 at 1:37 PM

Speaking to McVain, let me do my best David Spade and say “buh bye”.

thirteen28 on May 21, 2007 at 1:55 PM

McCain’s comments about Romney really do stink of desperation and despair. I love that smell.

Zetterson on May 21, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Why not move all primaries to the day after Fred announces?

Valiant on May 21, 2007 at 1:57 PM

I hate McCain, I wish he would either get voted out of office to have old age take his toll (Ok, it already has).

I called McCain’s DC office and when I got a person on the phone I said, “Hi, I would like to express my displeasure with McCain’s support of…” Click.

Those jerks at his office are as arrogant as he is (and he is a royal prick).

Tim Burton on May 21, 2007 at 1:58 PM

Meanwhile Obama tells college students to

Grow up and stop thinking you know everything.

William Amos on May 21, 2007 at 2:02 PM

It won’t make as big a difference in FLorida, but didn’t these numbnuts give ANY thought to what moving a primiary to Febraury 5 will do to voter turnout in Illinois?

The record low temperature was set on January 20, 1985 when the thermometer read 27 degrees below zero. Record snow falls hit Chicago the winter of 1978-79 when over a three month period, 89.7 inches of snow fell. Twenty-three inches is the all time record for the most snow accumulated during a single snowstorm. This storm occurred in 1967 between January 26 and January 27, virtually paralyzing the city for several days thereafter

dm60462 on May 21, 2007 at 2:04 PM

Whomever makes the illegal alien issue their biggest issue, and has some name recognition and the ‘nads to tell the PC crowd/MSM to “stuff it,” IMHO, will be the next president. The same goes for anyone running for congress.

Wuptdo on May 21, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Why not move all primaries to the day after Fred announces?

Valiant on May 21, 2007 at 1:57 PM

Because you can’t have 130% of the voting block vote for him. So you have to wait a few weeks till his approval rating drops to about 102%. Then everyone can vote for him.

Tim Burton on May 21, 2007 at 2:06 PM

Why not move all primaries to the day after Fred announces?

Valiant on May 21, 2007 at 1:57 PM

After Fred! announces, why bother holding a primary at all?

billy on May 21, 2007 at 2:09 PM

My uncle had the displeasure of hanging out with Sen. McCain for five years at the Hanoi Hilton. Needless to say, he doesn’t talk about those times it too much. However, if Sen McCain were to get the nod from the GOP, he would be the one probably running the “POW” version of the “Swift Boaters.”

Wuptdo on May 21, 2007 at 2:11 PM

I think Florida made the right move here in that there has been a clammor to make one big state the first primary to give more diversity to the mix. Id rather have it a southern state than have AP chose Illinois or california as the first state.

AS for who gets the best benefit ? The elderly have a lot of say in Forida as opposed to just a racial group. I think this benefits Hillary on the democratic side.

For the Republicans the Cuban block will be critical. Hence look for those stanchly anti Castro. I think Fred’s blasting of Micheal Moore’s Cuba connection has deeper meaning (and gives a god reason why he responded so quickly to Moore).

William Amos on May 21, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Wasn’t there a movie called, “The McCaine Mutiny”?

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 21, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Because you can’t have 130% of the voting block vote for him. So you have to wait a few weeks till his approval rating drops to about 102%. Then everyone can vote for him.

I appreciate making a calculated entrance into the race, but DAMN! Sh!tt or get off the pot already!

At some point, he will need campaign money for those nifty things called commercials.

natesnake on May 21, 2007 at 2:16 PM

I just can’t believe all the rush in this upcoming 2008 election. Why don’t just hold the General Election next week and get it over with.While we’re rushing ahead with things I hereby formally throw in my hat for the 2012 election. Vote for me…Now!

vcferlita on May 21, 2007 at 2:16 PM

Floridians win. I like it that bigger states will have more to say, and sooner, and not be the followers all the time. Yes, I like tradition to a point, history too…but coming home from work, and having it be over, every time, when one’s state c/b the 7th largest country in many regards, was always a big let-down.

I also would like to bar media and other outlets from calling winners/losers on election days so that Western states would not lower the voting on local issues. This was a huge problem in 1996, for example.

Entelechy on May 21, 2007 at 2:17 PM

Forgot

“Maybe his solution would be to get out his small varmint gun and drive those Guatemalans off his lawn or something.”

Today he’ll probably backtrack and say that he didn’t mean varmints of all times, but only since the Nixon year…take a page out from the Carter book Mr. McCain. Talk about a few silly politicians, past and present, slipping into irrelevancy rapidly. Not that Carter was ever relevant or great, anyway.

Entelechy on May 21, 2007 at 2:19 PM

Great second shot by McCain. Here’s Romney a mere (former) governor expecting the folks in DC, like McCain, to enforce our immigration laws these past 20 years and now he’s suggesting Romney take care of it himself? Using a shotgun?

I forget, we should trust McCain why?

McCain is toast as far as I am concerned. Just to make sure, I’ll be calling McCain’s team to ask I be placed on his DO NOT CALL list.

Dusty on May 21, 2007 at 2:22 PM

My uncle had the displeasure of hanging out with Sen. McCain for five years at the Hanoi Hilton. Needless to say, he doesn’t talk about those times it too much. However, if Sen McCain were to get the nod from the GOP, he would be the one probably running the “POW” version of the “Swift Boaters.”

Wuptdo on May 21, 2007 at 2:11 PM

I hope to God this doesn’t happen. Tear McCain apart on the stances he has taken on the issues. Tear him apart for being too liberal. Please don’t resort to questioning his behavior as a POW. That is just very wrong.

Zetterson on May 21, 2007 at 2:22 PM

McCain said: “The Hispanic vote is turning against us in very large numbers. … It’s just something we have to do as a nation, but as a Republican I think it’s important that we get this resolved.”

So, there it is. Screw the base. Screw the GOP. Screw common sense.

We gotta pander to the Hispanic voter, present and future.

BacaDog on May 21, 2007 at 2:25 PM

With all this state primary jockeying, maybe it is time to abandon the winner take all method and go back to divvying up delegates based on percentages.

Dusty on May 21, 2007 at 2:26 PM

Why not move all primaries to the day after Fred announces?
Valiant on May 21, 2007 at 1:57 PM

A when Fred announces the next day will be be a federal holiday!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on May 21, 2007 at 2:34 PM

All this proves is that we should go back to nominating conventions. It was a better way and it kept the cycle down to something reasonable. Who needs two years (or more) of people running for president?

duff65 on May 21, 2007 at 2:39 PM

Chuck Norris has a Fred! action figure.

He sleeps with it to keep him safe.

BacaDog on May 21, 2007 at 2:40 PM

florida is only movin’ up the dern primary cuz it takes us a little longer to count them there ballots. we only gots so many fingers and toze down here.

lorien1973 on May 21, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Chuck Norris has a Fred! action figure.

He sleeps with it to keep him safe.

BacaDog on May 21, 2007 at 2:40 PM

Fred! + VP Chuck Norris = Awesome

jeffNWV on May 21, 2007 at 3:10 PM

McCain has really pissed me off in the last week, and I’ll vote for Romney a hundred times before I vote for McCain but that “Varmint Gun” crack was pretty funny

Dudley Smith on May 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM

The day freddie boy announces is the day he has to answer for his pickup truck fakery….among his myriad of other weaknesses. He ought to do it soon so people will have lots of time to forget about it.

csdeven on May 21, 2007 at 3:13 PM

who makes the first mccain is yosemite sam cartoon? Varmints!

lorien1973 on May 21, 2007 at 3:15 PM

With all these primaries moving up, I say we have time for run offs. We need an anti-split vote reform/movement!

– The Cat

MirCat on May 21, 2007 at 3:18 PM

who makes the first mccain is yosemite sam cartoon? Varmints!

lorien1973 on May 21, 2007 at 3:15 PM

More like Elmer Fudd. Pesky Wabbits.

BacaDog on May 21, 2007 at 3:25 PM

csdeven,

Watching you flail about as if you were having an epileptic seizer every time someone mentions Fred is really starting to get amusing. Is your real name Hillary by any chance?

doriangrey on May 21, 2007 at 3:30 PM

lol @ McCain, put a fork in him he’s done.

Patriot33 on May 21, 2007 at 3:30 PM

” McCain might be out of the race by January anyway.”

Please, this loser is out of it NOW! The sooner he realizes it and spares us all the better!

America1st on May 21, 2007 at 3:31 PM

McCain said: “The Hispanic vote is turning against us in very large numbers.

So, compared to the Reagan Years, when the Hispanic vote split approx. 60/40 for Democrats, in the last 3 elections the Hispanic vote has split about 60/40 for Democrats.

I missed where I was supposed to panic there.

But at least amnesty is good politically, in places like Allentown PA

href=”http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation/7526547.html”>

The mayor who targetted illegal immigrants and landlords who rent to them just ran in the primaries. 94% of the Repub Primary vote, and over 50% of the Dem primary vote as a write-in.

Yep, that one’s a killer, he barely squaked through winning the other party’s primary. We need to do the opposite as quickly as possible. We don’t want 94% of Republicans and 50%+ of Democrats to agree with our Politics…

gekkobear on May 21, 2007 at 3:36 PM

doriangrey on May 21, 2007 at 3:30 PM

I do that just to watch the ¿fred? groupies get their panties in a twist. It works every time as is evident of your avoidance of his obvious weaknesses in favor of blaming me for pointing them out.

csdeven on May 21, 2007 at 3:43 PM

csdeven, what I’d written to you, on the now vaulted MSNBC Fred thread.

If you keep linking to the Free Republic, I’ll begin to think that you’re a troll in consevative clothing. Give it a rest for your health, and so you don’t have to eat too much crow later, if you’re not a troll. Regards,

and…

csdeven, if you’re not a troll, then you’re suffering of Chevy Red-Pick-Up-Truck Syndrome (CRPUTS), which sounds kind of ugly.

Mr. Thompson’s opponent, who’d been 20 points behind him and a huge operative in liberal Tennesseean politics, lauded the trick then and does so today, with begrudging political envy. Who are we to then dwell on this. Besides no one ever claimed that the truck was not rented/leased. Move on to another issue.

Entelechy on May 21, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Correction “opponent who’d been 20 points ahead of him”, not behind, when Mr. Thompson entered the senatorial race…

Entelechy on May 21, 2007 at 3:51 PM

At some point, he will need campaign money for those nifty things called commercials.

natesnake on May 21, 2007 at 2:16 PM

He’s already doing ’em, but for free getting paid for it, I’m sure! They call it “opinions and commentary” but, hey, what’s a commercial for anyway?

IrishEyes on May 21, 2007 at 3:58 PM

csdeven,

It works every time as is evident of your avoidance of his obvious weaknesses in favor of blaming me for pointing them out.

No one is avoiding anything; we’re just watching you go spastically ballistic at the mere mention of Fred Thompson furthermore we really would like to see that candidate of yours who has zero faults or shortcomings.

Oh wait that’s right you don’t have one so in the mean time we will just have to work with what we do have.

It must just put your genitals in a meat grinder to see the conservatives get excited about a candidate who appears to have Reagan’s ease and comfort in front of a television camera who at the very least knows all the conservative catch phrases and has impeccable timing when to use them.

doriangrey on May 21, 2007 at 4:12 PM

IrishEyes,

He’s already doing ‘em, but for free getting paid for it,

Heh yes I am pretty sure that is one of the things that is driving csdeven right up the wall, Fred is the only candidate who not only isn’t paying out millions of dollars for advertising to get his message out, he is the only one who is making possible millions of dollars by campaigning for president.

doriangrey on May 21, 2007 at 4:17 PM

csdeven on May 21, 2007 at 3:43 PM

I want to hear what he has if Fred! ever announces. Fred will need a good conservative vetting. Keep your powder dry.

The Fred! hype is reminiscent of the coronation of George W in 2000.

Valiant on May 21, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Wyoming votes on the same day with New Hamshire now.

Entelechy on May 21, 2007 at 4:47 PM

Valiant,

I want to hear what he has if Fred! ever announces. Fred will need a good conservative vetting. Keep your powder dry.

What could you possibly be trying to say? He has made his view on practically every political topic known. Here try this link, perhaps it will clear up some of your confusion.


Fred Thompson…

doriangrey on May 21, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Fred pisses off ALL social liberals…that’s GOP and Dem alike…his one-take 38 second blast to Fidel Rodham Moore was seen by as many people than a 30-second ad on prime time…and for free…

DCJeff on May 21, 2007 at 5:03 PM

My uncle had the displeasure of hanging out with Sen. McCain for five years at the Hanoi Hilton. Needless to say, he doesn’t talk about those times it too much. However, if Sen McCain were to get the nod from the GOP, he would be the one probably running the “POW” version of the “Swift Boaters.”

Wuptdo on May 21, 2007 at 2:11 PM

Next time we have a AZ Primary send him here. We need the brat out of office.

Tim Burton on May 21, 2007 at 5:12 PM

I had to Google “prisoner’s dilemma”.

I learn so much by coming to this site.

Thanks, AP!

mikeyboss on May 21, 2007 at 6:19 PM

If you keep linking to the Free Republic, I’ll begin to think that you’re a troll in consevative clothing. Give it a rest for your health, and so you don’t have to eat too much crow later, if you’re not a troll. Regards,

and…

csdeven, if you’re not a troll, then you’re suffering of Chevy Red-Pick-Up-Truck Syndrome (CRPUTS), which sounds kind of ugly.

Mr. Thompson’s opponent, who’d been 20 points behind him and a huge operative in liberal Tennesseean politics, lauded the trick then and does so today, with begrudging political envy. Who are we to then dwell on this. Besides no one ever claimed that the truck was not rented/leased. Move on to another issue.

Entelechy on May 21, 2007 at 3:50 PM

The quote from Free republic was accurate and I don’t care who the source is as long as they are accurate.

I think people feel that because they are so upset by my issues with ¿fred? that must mean I am upset. I am laughing when I write about him and his groupies. As far as crow goes, what have I said that makes you think I’m gonna be eating crow anytime soon? I have stated facts and opinion and have not accused him of anything. I want to know how he is going to answer these concerns. Apparently the groupies don’t care. All they care about is talking points, canned speeches, and friendly interviews. That proves nothing to me and shouldn’t to most conservatives, at least in the way I have understood conservative values.

I find it comical that people aren’t bothered by this pickup truck fakery. If his message was so powerful, why create a false image of himself? Are tennessee voters dense? Apparently ¿fred? thinks so. That may work in local Tennessee politics but that dog don’t hunt everywhere in the country. And it surely does not fit well in conservative thinking as I have understood it.

We have a current topic on HA discussing the lefts dominance in the blogosphere. The over-riding opinion is that conservative blogs are open to differing thoughts whereas the lefties censor opposing thought. I am bothered that my dissenting opinion of the worthiness of a non-candidate to be judged as an equal to actual candidates, has caused someone to use the PC threat of the word “troll”. So, if someone is anti-¿fred? they are a troll? Great.

csdeven on May 21, 2007 at 9:52 PM

we’re just watching you go spastically ballistic
doriangrey on May 21, 2007 at 4:12 PM

hahaha

Look in the mirror. You have gone spastic because I haven’t jumped on the ¿fred? bandwagon.

hahaha

Meanwhile? I’m laughing the whole time.

csdeven on May 21, 2007 at 9:55 PM

csdeven,

Look in the mirror. You have gone spastic because I haven’t jumped on the ¿fred? bandwagon.

Only in your pathetic fantasies. Nobody really care’s that you wont jump on the Fred bandwagon. We all know that you would never support a conservative, Shillary groupie that you are. What is interesting and quite telling is that you continue to bash Fred while having no alternative.

You keep harping on about Fred’s short comings, everybody has short comings. Yet never do suggest anyone better. The reason is obvious why, because while Fred obviously scares the piss out of you, you don’t have a viable alternative, and you don’t dare say the name of the communist whack job you do support because you would expose yourself for the intellectually dishonest troll that you are, not that anyone has failed to notice.

Meanwhile? I’m laughing the whole time.

I am sure you are, in your DKos DU sick twisted little sort of way, but that’s o.k. because we are all laughing at you as well.

doriangrey on May 22, 2007 at 1:28 AM

Nobody really care’s that you wont jump on the Fred bandwagon.

Does this mean you aren’t going to have a coronary and blame me for ¿freds? weaknesses anymore? That’d be a good thing. For you.

We all know

WE? What, you gotta mouse in your pocket?

What is interesting and quite telling is that you continue to bash Fred while having no alternative.

I already told you what my alternative is. Go back and read it and weep.

You keep harping on about Fred’s short comings, everybody has short comings. Yet never do suggest anyone better.

Sure I have. You just gloss over those parts in my comments.

you don’t have a viable alternative,

Knock knock knock? Hello? Anybody home? ¿fred? isn’t viable because he is not a candidate. Charlie Brown is as viable at this point.

and you don’t dare say the name of the communist whack job you do support because you would expose yourself for the intellectually dishonest troll that you are, not that anyone has failed to notice.

Now yer just showing the group just how desperate you are. You ought to just re-think your comments here. Because from here, you have developed a real taste for shoe leather.

I am sure you are, in your DKos DU sick twisted little sort of way, but that’s o.k. because we are all laughing at you as well.

doriangrey on May 22, 2007 at 1:28 AM

Here you go with the “we” again. Are you sure you know the meaning of the word?

csdeven on May 22, 2007 at 1:37 AM

csdeven,

I already told you what my alternative is. Go back and read it and weep.

No you havent…………You just keep screaming like a hystical little girl that

¿fred? isn’t viable because he is not a candidate.

When the simple truth is that he obviously is and is running his campign in a way you obviously cant stand or understand.

doriangrey on May 22, 2007 at 2:03 AM

doriangrey on May 22, 2007 at 2:03 AM

Awwww, isn’t that sweeeeet! And here I thought you didn’t care? I’m flattered.

Does this mean EVERYONE cares too. I mean you are still speaking for everyone right?

csdeven on May 22, 2007 at 7:45 AM

csdeven,

Awwww, isn’t that sweeeeet! And here I thought you didn’t care?

And you were right. You’re like that pathetic guy at the end of Aminal House standing in the middle of a riot screaming “Remain Calm…All is well”

doriangrey on May 22, 2007 at 12:13 PM