Comments on: Chertoff: Some people think anything less than capital punishment is amnesty; Update: Chertoff does it again

By: Failed HS Chief to Become Failed AG? : The American Pundit | News and Opinion With A Conservative View

Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:28:52 +0000

[...] bad he doesn’t have fans amongst the American people. Chertoff. The man who accused pro-enforcement Americans of wanting to execute illegal aliens. Chertoff. The man charged with [...]

By: For my President « Paul is a Hermit II

For my President « Paul is a Hermit II — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:15:00 +0000

[...] “As annoying as Reid’s refrain was, he is right: This was the president’s bill. This was the monstrous sham that President Bush tried to ram through the Senate with his pal Teddy Kennedy–subverting the committee process, attempting to cram it in before the Memorial Day holiday, rushing to limit debate, and then complaining about delays. This was the bill President Bush sent conservative-bashing bureaucrats like DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff to peddle on CNN. This was the bill President Bush championed while deriding critics as fearful bigots and running away from building the fence he promised to build. [...]

By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Linda Chavez: If you’re against open borders, you might be a Nazi

Thu, 31 May 2007 00:19:03 +0000

[...] I don’t have much to add to what See-Dub said, but if you don’t know who Chavez is, please note: she’s not a leftist, no matter how classically leftist this “argument” might be. Not only is she a conservative, she was Bush’s nominee to be Secretary of Labor in 2001 — before it was withdrawn due to suspicions that she had hired illegal aliens. Most of you know that, of course, but I want to make sure everyone understands where this rhetoric is coming from. First it was Chertoff, then Bush, now Chavez: three Republicans, one of them president, another a cabinet member, the third a would-be cabinet member, all not merely criticizing the base’s position on amnesty but impugning their character for doing so. [...]

By: Tel-Chai Nation

Tel-Chai Nation — Sun, 27 May 2007 20:31:19 +0000

Michael Chertoff should leave his post…

Michael Chertoff, the head of the DHS, is probably one of the most pretentious would-be law enforcement leaders to date, and if you saw his vicious smear of conservatives and proponents of immigration enforcement, you’ll see just how awful he really ….

By: kara26

kara26 — Thu, 24 May 2007 22:40:35 +0000

i’m busted. i don’t know what that means. just some one who sees thing differently. not a troll. just am not taking my time when i type. y’all be good ya here.

By: No Amnesty for McCain « Axis of Right

No Amnesty for McCain « Axis of Right — Thu, 24 May 2007 17:19:24 +0000

[...] It’s bad enough when Republican leaders conspire with Ted Kennedy to shove amnesty down our throats. It’s quite another when they apply a new tone when speaking to liberals but not when speaking of their own supporters. John McCain has once again betrayed the party he thinks is going to vote for him. Come primary day, I won’t be voting to give him amnesty for this stunt. [...]

By: tickleddragon

tickleddragon — Thu, 24 May 2007 04:43:03 +0000

Thanks, CS. ;)

By: csdeven

csdeven — Thu, 24 May 2007 01:58:55 +0000

tickleddragon on May 23, 2007 at 11:09 AM

I nailed bradky through the same observations.

Good call tickleddragon.

By: Red Pills » You’ll need to decide who owns America; the Politicians in Washington, D.C. or We The People

Wed, 23 May 2007 15:30:30 +0000

[...] As to Michael Chertoff, our supposed Homeland Secretary (where do they get these mental midgets?) in addition to being a Kennedy sycophant, he told Wolf ‘Al-Qaeda’ Blitzer, “You know, Wolf, first, I understand there’s some people who expect anything other than capital punishment is an amnesty. The reality is the proposal here requires people who came in illegally who want to stay to pay a penalty. Like a fine. That’s a punishment. That’s not an amnesty.” First, Chertoff, no one is equating ‘anything other than capital punishment’ as amnesty, except you, you idiot. We just want them to go home! Why is that difficult to understand? Second, a $5,000 fine is hardly a penalty for past services received or future benefits expected. Not to mention that in short order, it would be declared a hardship and reduced or forgiven. Consider Chertoff, that the enormous cost of granting legal status to millions of illegal aliens is being wholly ignored. Nearly two-thirds of illegal immigrants are low-skilled workers. Based on a detailed analysis of the net cost of low-skill households, Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation estimates that the typical illegal-alien household receives $19,588 more in benefits than it pays in taxes each year. He explains that these costs would increase dramatically when an illegal alien reached retirement. Rector estimates that if all current illegal aliens were granted amnesty, the net retirement costs (benefits minus taxes) could be over $2.5 trillion. Not bad for a $5,000 investment. [...]

By: tickleddragon

tickleddragon — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:09:53 +0000

You know, now that I think about this…Right2Bright
Something IS indeed strange about Kara26. The words that he/she is misspelling, are ones that someone has just spelled correctly in the previous comments.

“threat/treat”, “banned/band”

That’s not sucky spelling…that’s purposeful…OR he/she is truly “slow”.

You’re busted, Kara26.

By: tickleddragon

tickleddragon — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:00:30 +0000

tickleddragon on May 22, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Me thinks Kara26 is trying to hard to type poorly and mispell. I get the feeling that we have an emerging troll here. Or someone who wants to get back on the thread that was banned. Something is not right with her posts, read them over and you will see a pattern.

right2bright on May 23, 2007 at 8:00 AM

Thanks, Right2bright. I wasn’t thinking “troll”. From the spelling and grammar, I was just thinking “young’un”.

By: VikingGoneWild

VikingGoneWild — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:13:07 +0000

viking your right and i am wrong. round them up and send them back. lets start tomorrow. from your friendly one tricked pony.

i did not say it was ok, dumb A@@, I said show compassion. Its not a free pass. Understand why they do it, and find away to help, not condone, look the other way or let continue.

for Gods sake, stop drinking “The Hell with Them Koolaid”

kara26 on May 22, 2007 at 10:37 PM

Please see VikingGoneWild on May 21, 2007 at 4:39 PM #9 & #10. 12 months should be more than enough to handle their affairs and move back to their own country to start the process properly.

I’m sorry I just can’t muster compassion for law breakers, illegals or the business which hire them.

By: kara26

kara26 — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:48:23 +0000

right2bright

No i just suck at spelling and typeing. Never been band.

By: lynnv

lynnv — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:32:32 +0000

Chertoff and Bush make me proud that my voter registration card has “NP” under party affiliation. Not that I could EVER vote for a Dem…..but I do not want to be associated with the party of these two pathetic fools, either. A true conservative in ’08 would make me such a happy camper.

By: right2bright

right2bright — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:00:14 +0000

tickleddragon on May 22, 2007 at 10:56 PM

Me thinks Kara26 is trying to hard to type poorly and mispell. I get the feeling that we have an emerging troll here. Or someone who wants to get back on the thread that was banned. Something is not right with her posts, read them over and you will see a pattern.

By: tickleddragon

tickleddragon — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:56:45 +0000

kara26 on May 22, 2007 at 10:48 PM

Just because you perceive what I said as a “treat” (get it right, it’s “threat”) does not make it one. If I’d been threatening something illegal, then you’d have a leg to stand on. But since I was threatening to call authorities on illegal activities, I am fully in my rights, and you’ve got nothing. So, just shut up about being “treatened”.

Last time I checked, Kara, this was a forum…an open forum. I didn’t see that a discussion was totally roped off to you and a couple of others. You made statements, and I had the same right as anyone else to comment. Your statements were silly, so I called you on it. As did others. Why don’t you try not to be so sensitive. Gonna call others inactive complainers…expect to be called on the carpet by whoever finds it stupid and unreasoned.

I am angry at the government…but I’m also angry with those that make excuses FOR government passing this ridiculous legislation.

I never claimed to have all the answers, and I never claimed you did or didn’t. But stop trying to lecture me and others on the colors of the world. I recognize black, white, grey, green, yellow etc.
You just come off as a preachy self-righteous jerkoff…when you probably aren’t one in real life.

By: kara26

kara26 — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:53:58 +0000

got the quote thing wrong, my bad

By: kara26

kara26 — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:53:12 +0000

And THIS from our “compassionate” friend. sheesh.

tickleddragon on May 22, 2007 at 10:42 PM

your right should not have said dumb a##. see i get passionate to. I see other arguements and respect them. Others on this site do not.

By: kara26

kara26 — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:48:13 +0000

tickleddragon have not read any of your previous post. My post were back and forth to others, you jumped into a debate betwee me and others. tough you were a guy, log cabin is the gay part of republican party. get it, now if you would have been a guy and had the name tickleddragon, that would have been funny, you got to admit that. not funny since your a girl. oh well, would have been real funny.

and of corse you are not perfect, because i stated i have not read evey post on this site.

i took it as a treat to me, make you arguement without treats, and you will be heard. Perception is reality. Treats that do not pertain to me, i am not breaking the law. your anger made that statement.

Tickled don’t take stuff people post personal, its all opinions, be angry at the goverment that has allowed it for 20 plus years, not people who agree with 3/4 of your argument and disagree with 25%. You don’t have all the answers and neither do I. But my guess is you want agree, and in your world its black and white, no grey. There is alot of grey out there and all ways will be.

good nite

By: tickleddragon

tickleddragon — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:42:39 +0000

i did not say it was ok, dumb A@@, I said show compassion. Its not a free pass. Understand why they do it, and find away to help, not condone, look the other way or let continue.

for Gods sake, stop drinking “The Hell with Them Koolaid”

kara26 on May 22, 2007 at 10:37 PM

And THIS from our “compassionate” friend. sheesh.

By: tickleddragon

tickleddragon — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:41:21 +0000

OT: Say, why is it today, specifically, after a year on this site, that people keep making snarky comments about my username? ;)
It’s a silly Potter reference, for pity’s sake.

The Hogwarts motto is “Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus”, which is “Never tickle a sleeping dragon” in Latin.

By: kara26

kara26 — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:37:05 +0000

viking your right and i am wrong. round them up and send them back. lets start tomorrow. from your friendly one tricked pony.

i did not say it was ok, dumb A@@, I said show compassion. Its not a free pass. Understand why they do it, and find away to help, not condone, look the other way or let continue.

for Gods sake, stop drinking “The Hell with Them Koolaid”

By: tickleddragon

tickleddragon — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:36:59 +0000

By the way do you realize you just comunicated a treat in print, to some one you don’t know or even know what I do. It would be wise to watch that.
kara26

Where on earth to begin…
Telling you that I will report your illegal activities if I find out who your business is…is not a “treat”. It’s not even a threat. It’s a simple statement of fact. Break the law, I’m not adverse to pointing it out to the authorities. And I have every right to do so, if not an outright civic duty to do so. So, your admonishment is wasted there.

I’ll leave you with this, where you live is worse than where I live. Your problem in the southwest has been going on for, I don’t know how long. I don’t get angry with your opinion of the situation. Debate son, calm civil debate. Kara26

I’m not in the Southwest. As stated, I’m in NC, and it has one of the highest illegal immigrant influxes in the country (with deference to border states).

Debate is a good thing, but your drumbeat at folks “complaining and not doing anything” when it has been stated by others and by me that we are angry but also acting, was getting to be ridiculous. Not to mention the soapbox you were standing on while admonishing. tsk tsk.

By the way with a name of “tickleddragon” is that your code name in the “Log Cabin Republicans”

kara26 on May 22, 2007 at 9:07 PM

Hon, I don’t even know who the “Log Cabin Republicans” are, and I’m not a “son”. I’m a “daughter”. And what kind of zinger was that supposed to be??

You obviously don’t pay attention to anyone’s comments but your own…and are relatively new to this site, or you’d know I was a North Carolinian female.

By: profitsbeard

profitsbeard — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:25:33 +0000

Question for Chertoff, et al:

Why aren’t you all enforcing the already existing laws?

(Adding more things for them to ignore seems fatuous.)

By: VikingGoneWild

VikingGoneWild — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:15:15 +0000

Viking – You give me the notion that you are anti business.
kara26 on May 22, 2007 at 6:04

Wrong again. I a capitalist pig but I also live my life according to the law. If one of my co workers breaks the law by stealing from the company do I turn a blind eye since they are trying to “provide for their family?” ~~No.~~ Hell no! The concept is the same here. Illegals and the businesses which hire them are stealing. Plain and simple. No matter how much you spin and smear the bottom line is they are criminals. No if’s, no ands and no buts.

No it is not a perfect world. We in the US are not perfect. The funny thing is they break the law to come here, and some in the US break the law by highering them (legal status question maybe) to do the same thing, to make money and provide for family.
kara26 on May 22, 2007 at 6:04 PM

See my response below which I posted earlier. You’re starting to become a one trick pony. Try to come up with something different about how it is okay to steal.

kara26,
I’m already tired of seeing the line or its variation…..
they are just trying to take of/support their families (whether it references the illegal or business owner)…….so is any other criminal. Every time an illegal uses our public services they are stealing plain and simple. Every time a business owner hires an illegal they are breaking the law.

There are laws to ensure society runs fairly smoothly. If everyone gets to decide what laws they want to follow then we’ll have anarchy.

I can think of plenty of laws I don’t want to follow. Since I would be trying to provide for my family I guess it would be okay to break them right?

VikingGoneWild on May 22, 2007 at 3:36 PM