Speechless. I’m absolutely and utterly speechless. This country is finished if this legislation becomes law.

jaleach on May 19, 2007 at 5:42 PM

I can’t believe they think a majority of citizens are just going to sit back and let this nonsense happen without some sort of response. What are they smoking in D.C.? What do they think is going to happen when they reward lawlessness? Do they think lawlessness will decrease instead of increase? Think of all the unintended consequences that will happen after this legislation passes.

This is an enemy government, folks. It’s an illegal, illegitimate government that doesn’t deserve power anymore. This is a government that has willingly separated itself from the people in order to advance an anti-American agenda. I’m not calling for a civil war, but it won’t matter what I say or do if this legislation passes. Millions of others will eventually act. It might take awhile, but act they will.

jaleach on May 19, 2007 at 6:02 PM

If I see any more “civil war” garbage or “Bush deserves Saddam’s fate” or anything along those lines, you’re gone. As is anyone else who wants to join in.

I never equated Bush with Saddam. That was someone else. I hear you, though, so don’t drop the hammer just because I responded to your comments, ‘kay?

I remember back in the 80s when we “loaned” Mexico billions of dollars, and they consistently failed to make restitution on the borrowed money. To make matters worse, our banks would loan the Mexican government millions of additional dollars each year when the loan payment came due, just to pay off the interest on the loan to avoid default. This ruse went on for years.

The 1980s? Didn’t this just happen a few years ago as well, back when Slick was in office? I seem to remember a 1990s bailout around the same time Russia needed a cash infusion. Boy, ain’t globalization grand? As long as we’re constantly bailing out the bit players, it’ll go on and on for years! Of course, if this legislation passes we’ll see such a hike in entitlement costs that there won’t be much money to throw around bailing out countries. Won’t be much money left to fight the war, either.

jaleach on May 19, 2007 at 6:42 PM

The 2008 candidates are feeling the heat. Hillary waffles.

Awwww. Hillary’s worried about family’s staying together. Too bad she doesn’t care about families that are already here.

jaleach on May 19, 2007 at 11:33 PM

Bradky,

Nice summary. Projections are, however, just projections. If this amnesty goes through, with the attendant chain immigration, we’re looking at a HUGE increase in foreign born immigrants in just a few years. How’s a 100 million grab you? It could happen.

Another wrench in the machine: what happens when Europe becomes Eurabia and all those Europeans start heading out? Guess where they’re going to go? Here. That will be tens of millions of immigrants within a few short years as well. And, in spite of the liberals’ shrieks of outrage about a sudden influx of white Europeans, we will let them come. They’ll claim political asylum, as well they should.

It’s really not a racial thing as it is a numbers game (although good people like La Shawn Barber make a compelling argument, augmented by hard facts, that Hispanic immigrants currently moving into black enclaves cause all sorts of problems–this will only increase in size and severity if the amnesty goes through). The government’s offical policy as of now is to not encourage assimilation. You can argue with that, but we all know it’s true. So what happens when you bring in tens of millions of foreigners without any attempt to integrate them into society? Mass confusion at best, balkanization and open warfare at worst. Remember, we’re at war right now. Should we really be dealing with immigration numbers that make the Ellis Island inflow look miniscule?

jaleach on May 20, 2007 at 12:58 AM

Once again, I make a post and it seems to kill the thread. What, do I smell or something?

Anyway, I wanted to add another thing to the ramble I posted to Bradky, a little something I like to call “events”. Events that no one foresees can totally disrupt projections on immigration. An economic depression could stop illegal and legal immigration. In fact, we’ve seen a loss in population during tough times as immigrants head back to the old country when the economy tanks.

The main point is still amnesty for illegals followed by massive chain immigration. The numbers, if that happens, would give most citizens a heart attack.

jaleach on May 20, 2007 at 1:09 AM

Just curious where you get that the government’s official policy is not to encourage assimilation.

Press 1 for English. Press 2 for Spanish. Official government documentation printed in dozens of languages. Election ballots in different languages. Bilingual education. A federal court shooting down Proposition 187 in California as “unconstitutional”. I think it’s pretty clear that the government isn’t doing all it can to encourage assimilation.

I posted a study by Pew that shows that most Hispanic immigrants are assimilated by the third generation. Not an Islam problem at all.

I saw Geraldo talking about this on O’Reilly yesterday. When he wasn’t chortling about the changing racial demographics, that is. I think–no, I’m pretty sure–he’s a racist. Anyway, I’ve seen studies showing that third generation Hispanics are failing to make the grade in areas like education and the job market. Their dropout rate is absolutely horrible. Can they speak English? I imagine. Maybe you and I haven’t agreed on what assimilation means?

Immigration needs to be fixed but people have to be realistic that rounding up 12 million illegals is going to be extremely hard. Knowing who is in the country is more important in my opinion. Yes they have broken the law and yes there are criminals among them. The bill stipulates that the controls have to be in place before the new paperwork and classifications can start.

Rounding up illegals? Time and time again, people on this site, and folks on plenty of other sites, have pointed out that “rounding up” illegals need not take place. Simply enforce the laws we already have on the books (fines for employers, no welfare handouts for non-citizens, etc.) and the problem will take care of itself. They’ll simply go home when their source of income dries up. “Rounding up” illegals is long past the point of being an old argument.

As for the government making sure controls are in place, do you trust them to handle that job? I don’t. This is the government we’re talking about, after all. The same government that made sure the FBI was still using DOS programs on old computers when 9/11 happened. I worked a part-time job at Omaha Steaks awhile back selling meat over the phone. They used an old DOS program written back in the 1980s. It worked great for selling steaks. For tracking down bad guys and keeping track of millions of illegal aliens, not so good.

jaleach on May 20, 2007 at 1:29 AM

How silent Cheney has been about all this…

Cheney probably supports it since he’s a big business guy. Then again, he is supposedly the most conservative one in the administration…

jaleach on May 20, 2007 at 1:36 AM