Just yanking AP’s ban-chain with some irrelevant grammatical goofiness. Didn’t mean to flaunt it.

;^)

profitsbeard on May 21, 2007 at 12:07 AM

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fair enough, just don’t flout it

EricPWJohnson on May 21, 2007 at 4:56 AM

Well stated. Unfortunately I think it will fall on deaf ears. Too much hysteria and indignation that congress did what it rarely does – come up with a bipartisan bill that tries to address the problem with a semblance of common sense.

Most did not, my grandparents spoke fluent Swedish and much later english. In the 80’s many towns like Lockport speak mostly cajun French even after 200 years. Go to any china town etc.

Also, if Poles, Swedes, and Italians had come in as great a velocity as the hispanics no doubt Chicago would be speaking polish and Swedish and New York City would be 1/2 italian speaking today.

So what I’m saying is be careful what you wish for, some fools in Texas were actually writing legislation requiring your great grandparents also be native born. (Silly them they thought the federal government would allow something to just be passed for hispanics) fortunately the Gov and some converned legislators killed it in committee.

What these brain surgeons didn’t realize that they just authorized about 60% of us to be illegal aliens

thats how stupid and ridiculous this debate is getting because if you carefully examine truthfully the patterns of immigration it really has only been properly regulated since the 60’s.

You see, if you go back to the newspapers 100 to 125 years ago all immigrants were considered illegal (in other words illegal immigrants was an oxymoron in the 1880’s)

Going through Ellis island never ever made you legal you needed a work contract and a 5 year sponsor

Anyone got their great grandparents work contracts

and people were sent home, millions of Chinese and almost a million Philipinos were stripped of citizenship and sent home, many native born.

So be careful when we with a mighty sword pass who is and who isn’t a citizen or a native American etc.

This country was Founded by immigrants – whether the Mayflower bunch wanted us here or not!

Just yanking AP’s ban-chain with some irrelevant grammatical goofiness. Didn’t mean to flaunt it.

;^)

AZ_Redneck on May 20, 2007 at 12:03 PM

Thanks for answering. Glad to hear that.

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Man, tough crowd , however you are indeed correct!

P.

Bradky on May 20, 2007 at 9:47 AM

No clue about that. Probably by that time I had stopped reading your tripe. You know exactly what I am talking about because I called you on it at the time.

Liar.

Remember that many never spoke english as well allways the later generations.

EricPWJohnson on May 20, 2007 at 9:16 AM

Everyone in my faimly and all my friends families grandparents etc learned the language and assimilated.

Just out of curiosity are you a Hal Turner fan? Saw a survivalist internet group with someone using AZ_Redneck recommending his site.

Bradky on May 20, 2007 at 12:15 AM

After a little researching into who Hal Turner is, I can tell you ‘no’ I am not a fan. Unfortunately, user IDs are not globally unique.

Also, regarding the survivalist portion, also ‘no’ I am not a survivalist. But I am an avid hunter, fisher, …, prior service as a Marine, … that can confuse and scare alot of sheep.

csdeven on May 20, 2007 at 8:16 AM

Again with the name calling. Your definition of lying seems to be “When someone presents facts that don’t line up with my view of an issue, they have lied”

As for catching me lying you know that is not true. You are likely referring to the truthers statistics (22% of all voters and 35% of democrats — you just can’t stomach the thought if you accept the 35% you must accept the 22%) and my comments on the milblogging issues (bandwidth observation which I provided proof for).

Lemmings I tell you!

Millions never assimilated, how many of us have grandparents or greatgrandparents from Europe who got here and never went through the process because once you have kids everything points towards citizenship, plus after social security numbers and drivers licenses were issued getting passports and what not in the 50’s and 60’s were not difficult.

Remember that many never spoke english as well allways the later generations.

EricPWJohnson on May 20, 2007 at 8:13 AM

It’s clear that those people have assimilated. The issue is those who REFUSE to assimilate.

Bradky on May 19, 2007 at 6:55 PM

I’ve already caught you lying and I don’t buy your latest line of crap either.

I got to meet someone in Qatar at an Embassy Function. A general and several of his officers at a gala and it hit home to me.

Just want to remind everyone that hispanics of both legal and illegal status have fought and died for the flag in far away lands.

Keep that in mind, they have served and died by the tens of thousands.

One came home, parents are illegals he was 20, buried very near a Raymondville detention camp called Ritmo, as the Hero he was.

Lets balance this discussion with the fact that thousands serve in Law Enforcement, Fire, Rescue and EMT. People, who might have been deported a few decades earlier.

AZ_Redneck on May 19, 2007 at 10:44 PM

Just out of curiosity are you a Hal Turner fan? Saw a survivalist internet group with someone using AZ_Redneck recommending his site.

It never ceases to amaze me how people will shun one poll but stake their life on one that supports their opinion (recent poll regarding the Truthers comes to mind).

Bradky on May 18, 2007 at 7:27 AM

It never seems to amaze me how one will favor a poll over someone’s personal experience.

I grew up in southern Arizona. Come on down and spend 30-40 years and see for yourself. I now live in northern Mexico.

Ooo! OOO!

“Paul” of pbary used “flaunt” ( “…flaunt immigration law…”) when he meant “flout”!

Bananarama!

/sarc off.

so those he accuses here on HA can see what kind of comments he makes out of sight of HA members?
csdeven on May 19, 2007 at 9:45 AM

I post here the majority of the time. DU, Kos and tnr are pretty much the same in my opinion. Two are left and one is right — most posters are hysterical and not worth my time because they don’t want to engage in discussion. I have a limited number of hours in the day that I assign to the internet. Too much life to live in the real world.

I like this site because there are some that I can have a meaningful dialog with. The rest of my free internet time I use to read background on the various issues. Realclearpolitics.com is my primary pick. It has all the major pundits, transcripts and a variety of opinions from both sides of the spectrum.

I will note that you do a lot more name calling than I ever have.

An analogy …. let’s say I build a beautiful swimming pool
in my backyard and all the neighborhood kids are sneaking it to enjoy it. What can I do ….

When I was a teenager (seventies) my family lived in a house located in South Central LA with a swimming pool in the backyard–it’s not all “ghetto”–and had the same problem, though we had a high brick fence.

When I came back to LA in the nineties, I went to check out the old house. One of the subsequent owners had erected a row of steel bars along the top of the fence. In addition, the bars had sharpen tips and were curved outward toward the street in order to make climbing the fence a rather “sticky” situation.

Hmmm.

Afterthought: I wonder how they got that curve in those steel bars. After all, Rosie O. says that fire can’t melt steel. Perhaps they got someone really strong to bend them.

;-)

Yes balance of efforts is important, but realistically it is doubtful that our lengthy borders can be totally shut down cost effectively … these folks aren’t streaming across the border due to some new found affection for our way of life … the motive is economic and the fact there
is little enforcement once here …remove the incentive and
reduce the number of safe havens and the problem will dimish substantially. We’ve got the muscle to enforce through employers both via the courts and the IRS … and there is plenty of precedent of using tax code and the IRS to shape social policy … again the tools are there and the
means to implement these reforms are not really all that
complicated … what is lacking is the political will to actual do something meaningful which leads us to this meaningless pretzel of a bill …

Paul

4. Shoot anybody that climbs over your fence. That would stop them.

why not use a similar technique for states and localities that flaunt immigration law by withholding or reducing various Federal funding options …. this would no doubt get some cities and states to re-think their sactuary laws.
pbary on May 19, 2007 at 10:34 AM

I agree, but it is hypocritical for the federal governement to punish local governments in that way. The Feds have caused the “need” for sanctuary cities by not securing the border.