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Breaking: Bush, Senate leaders reach immigration agreement; Update: “I don’t care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty”; Update: Illegals slam bill as too onerous

posted at 1:15 pm on May 17, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Fox News and MSNBC are reporting that the hour of reckoning is at hand. Stand by for details, although I think we already know most of them.

Update: “Quick legal status.”

A bipartisan group of senators reached agreement with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul to grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border against new ones…

It set the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle next week in the Senate on one of Bush’s top non-war priorities.

The group of lawmakers had been haggling over the terms of agreement for weeks were reviewing language negotiated Wednesday night in efforts to nail down a deal. Among the final sticking points was a stubborn dispute over how much family ties count toward green cards under a new “point system.” The plan prioritizes advanced skills and education levels for future immigrants.

Update: The formal announcement is at 1:30. Reuters has a few of the basics already; it looks like the GOP won the battle over whether illegals can bring extended family with them.

The legislation would create a temporary worker program that would require laborers to return home after a period of time. Tough border security and workplace enforcement measures would go into place before the temporary worker program, congressional aides said.

The proposal would limit family-based migration to immediate family members and establish a merit-based system by which future migrants could earn points for skills, education, understanding of English and family ties.

Update: Michelle is posting reaction and points to a WashTimes report from last night that claimed Bush was ready to cave on safeguards that would prevent fraud in the guest-worker program. She also links to a point by point rebuttal of the GOP talking points at Lone Wacko.

Update: Quote of the day:

Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, said he had doubts about this approach, but said Congress had to do something because his constituents were telling him that “they feel they are being overrun with uncontrolled immigration.”

The irony is that most Republicans would accept a compromise on the back half of the equation, even if it meant legalizing large numbers of illegals who are already here, if the party was serious about plugging the leaks in the border. Show us a sustained, good faith effort to secure it and then we can deal charitably with the “undocumented.” Anyone think that’s in the offing?

Update: WaPo has the major details. 400,000 “guest workers” a year. And unless they’ve made an oversight, the English-language requirement for the “Z visa” that would grant permanent legal status has been dropped: “each Z Visa itself would be renewable indefinitely, as long as the holder passes a criminal background check, remains fully employed and pays a $5,000 fine, plus a paperwork-processing fee.”

Update: Near as I can tell (nitty gritty details being suspiciously hard to come by in news reports on immigration), there are two basic innovations to the bill: replacing family connections with a “points system” that emphasizes job skills and education as the key criteria for a green card — which seems odd given the argument about needing low-skilled workers to do the jobs Americans won’t do — and the requirement that the “Z visa” program not be triggered until certain measures have been taken to enforce the border. Question per Lone Wacko: Does that mean actual, concrete improvements in border security or merely passing laws and allocating funds for improvements that are never going to be made, like that nifty border fence they passed last year?

We had a Republican Congress and a Republican White House for six years. Six years, and it’s come to this.

Update: Bush applauds. And I take it back — here’s the line of the day:

“This is what my 9th grade teacher told me government is all about and I finally got to experience it,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

Update: The Counterterrorism Blog says it’s a national security disaster:

In short order, the system will be overwhelmed. Whatever minimal fraud detection and prevention safeguards might be erected won’t last long in the face of hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of applications and petitions to be adjudicated. What that means is the information provided on those applications and petitions, and whatever supporting documents they may have (if any), will essentially be taken at face value. Whatever the applicant alien tells the adjudicator will essentially be taken at face value. There will be little time or process available to verify anything, perhaps beyond running the applicant’s name through a standard battery of computer databases (and, even that may become so time consuming some will slip through the cracks).

Update: Who among the GOP candidates reaps the whirlwind on this? It’s got to be McCain, right?

Expect Rudy to pronounce himself “troubled” by the deal.

Update: Jim DeMint: “I don’t care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty.”

Update: Tancredo goes right after McCain:

“Senator McCain and his allies seem to think that they can dupe the American public into accepting a blanket amnesty if they just call it ‘comprehensive’ or ‘earned legalization’ or ‘regularization.’ Unfortunately for them, however, the American people know amnesty when they see it,” said Tancredo. “The President is so desperate for a legacy and a domestic policy win that he is willing to sell out the American people and our national security.”

“If Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy spent as much time working on improving border security as they did poll testing creative euphemisms for amnesty, America would be a much safer place,” quipped Tancredo.

Update: Rich Lowry thinks the “triggers” are a scam from the word go, with amnesty granted immediately upon passage of the bill and the “Z visas,” which are keed to the enforcement triggers, only relevant insofar as they allow the bearer to travel. But even if Lowry’s wrong, what happens to the illegals who are here while the feds are working towards the triggers? Let’s say they get bogged down and can’t get them done for another decade. What’s the status of the “undocumented” during that interim period?

Update: Illegal aliens don’t like the bill either, a claim which will doubtless be trumpeted by proponents to “prove” that it’s a fair compromise. Actually, what it proves is that even the amnesty side of it is crap that won’t achieve what it means to.

The sub-moronic “touchback” provision comes in for special abuse:

David Guerra wants to be legal, but he says the path to citizenship offered by the Senate on Thursday would be too risky and too expensive, and could end up driving him deeper into the shadows…

“If I go home, who is going to guarantee that I’ll be let back in?” said the 44-year-old who lays bricks, clears weeds and does landscaping…

“Where would I find $5,000? In two years, I don’t get $5,000,” said Daniel Carrillo Maldonado, an illegal immigrant who was looking for construction work outside a Home Depot in Phoenix…

Amy Ndour, a 23-year-old illegal immigrant from Senegal who lives in New York, said she would be willing to pay the $5,000 fine, but not return home because her family there depends on what she earns as a hair braider.

“I’m helping myself” here, she said. “I’m helping people there too.”…

Many illegal immigrants said they had little incentive to apply for residency because the process was long and did not offer much hope of bringing their families.

“If I’ll never be able to bring my family, why should I apply?” said Jose Monson, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Guatemala who has lived in Los Angeles for four years. “I prefer to just stay here illegally.”


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DannoJyd on May 17, 2007 at 3:11 PM

I’d like to see it, too. Does anyone know where Cheney stands, first? Well, if Cheney stands?

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 3:13 PM

I dare someone to start up an Impeach Bush poll now and get it published here at Hot Air.

If the Democrats want to impeach Bush at this point, I wouldn’t care.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 3:14 PM

This is the death of the Social Security system. Bringin in this many middle aged, and elderly, immigrants will bankrupt that system. They won’t have paid in nearly as much as a normal citizen, who paid into it their entire working life, but will be guarenteed a minimum payment.

Now, as soon as they get to be American citizens? They’ll move back to Mexico as cost of living is MUCH cheaper.

They have just sold my security down the river for immigrant votes, and big businesses dollars….

Sad day.

Kyle
Denver CO.
USN. Ret.

Just sent this to Shep at Fox… highly doubt I’ll see it on the air though.

Romeo13 on May 17, 2007 at 3:14 PM

I appreciate the fact that folks need to vent anger. But saying “the heck with the GOP” is to join Ross Perot and Ralph Nader in the list of the politically pure and practically useless.

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Albert Einstein

VikingGoneWild on May 17, 2007 at 3:14 PM

I said “you mean the amnesty bill”. He said he is so upset over all of this he’s going to change too and that he can’t even eat because it has made him physically ill.

Then he said that if millions of disgusted Republicans would do the same, they just might listen !!!

stenwin77 on May 17, 2007 at 3:13 PM

He wants us to stop eating??? Your comments appear a little insencere.

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 3:15 PM

Primary voters, grass-roots party activists, and political donors of even modest amounts get all the attention from pols. If you really want change, go cool off, put on something that looks vaguely like golf attire, and go volunteer at your local GOP campaign headquarters. And then start making your views known.

That’s right Anton. There is no point in abandoning the party. I feel alot like Zell Miller but in reverse. I haven’t left the party but the party sure as hell has left me. They can call themselves Republicans if they want but I just don’t think Reagan, Goldwater, or even Lincoln would agree with them.

Something damn sure needs to happen and it has to start with those of us with loud mouths and a willingness to make them louder. It’s time to quit the whining folks and get active. If all you have is “hot air”, then stay here and be entertained. The rest of you…I’ll see you at Republican HQ.

Pilgrim on May 17, 2007 at 3:15 PM

>This is the death of the Social Security system.

I would be celebrating that if I didn’t know that instead of Socialist Security we’d get just plain full-on socialism to replace it.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:15 PM

I appreciate the fact that folks need to vent anger. But saying “the heck with the GOP” is to join Ross Perot and Ralph Nader in the list of the politically pure and practically useless.

Anton on May 17, 2007 at 3:06 PM

I am not saying I will never support a republican. Instead, I will not support the republican party as a whole. I will support the individual candidate, regardless of party, who represents my interest and does not vote lockstep with their
party. People like this are far and few between, but when they are available, I will vote for them.

Until then we have the evil of two lessers.

jman on May 17, 2007 at 3:16 PM

Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.

-Ronald Reagan

20 year ago, Ronald Reagan tried this a (except he had the Malkins to call it amnesty, and admit it failed), and they’re still trying to make it work. 20 years ago he uttered the words above, and these nitwits still haven’t grasped that.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 3:18 PM

>Until then we have the evil of two lessers.

Which look more and more like one lesser every day.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:18 PM

VOTE TANCREDO_HUNTER

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 3:19 PM

If Bush had lost the election to Kerry, then some of the anger at Congressional Republicans among moderate Americans over Iraq might have been diffused. Who knows? We might have had a better chance of retaining the House and preventing this legislation from becoming law.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 3:19 PM

It is about time for whites, who pay a disproportionate share of the tax revenue in this country, to look out for our own collective ethnic interests in the same manner blacks and Hispanics do for now on. After all, at sixty percent and falling, we will very soon be just another minority group in this country. They have their “La Raza,” it is time for us to have our “The Race.”

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 2:24 PM

Do you not even begin to see the foolishness of posting a white pride comment on a blog owned by a noticeably non-white woman?

Which club would you like Michelle to join?

I take it back, tommy1. If you want to register as an independent and then go hide in the woods with your guns, be my guest.

Does opposing illegal immigration mean we all have to loose our minds?

Anton on May 17, 2007 at 3:20 PM

He wants us to stop eating??? Your comments appear a little insencere.

I may appear to you as insencere (sic), but you appear to me as a person who can’t spell correctly.

I am quite sincere. I think most people got the point.

stenwin77 on May 17, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Wow, the GOP just guranateed a Hillary victory in 08. Nice going idiots.

thegreatsatan on May 17, 2007 at 3:20 PM

The gov’t isn’t going to solve this. We have to do it oursleves. Mow your own lawn, cook your own food. Don’t spend money anywhere that employs illegals. Shut off the money tap and they’ll go home.

I have to get a new roof this year, and it’ll cost more to have it done by legal workers, but I’ll save a ton of money by not eating out, so it’s probably a wash.

Bad Penny on May 17, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Watch Lou Dobbs tonight–He’ll be frothing at the mouth…as am I!

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 3:07 PM

Dobbs helped get this passed by making anti-illegal immigrant folks look like obsessed fools. When Leno and Letterman are making jokes about you, you’re hurting the cause, not helping.

forged rite on May 17, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Do you really believe they are nitwits??? No they know what this will do to the country and it fits right in with their plan for a North American Union by default!

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 3:21 PM

This fight was lost when Reagan Granted amnesty so get over yourselves.

I’m not sure how you can grant amnesty to 12 million people that you don’t know exist. I will be like watching Spartacus.

tomas on May 17, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Forged right…You are dead wrong about Dobbs….many people hadn’t a clue until he started telling them what was happening around the country…Like Michelle’s column and book did, and VDARE and Immigration Watchdog, FAIR and ALIPAC….
Heck they just had illegals try to attack Fort Dix and they still ignore the threat…Do you think they need any excuse not to do this insane thing?

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Thanks for the support, amerpundit.

I like the idea of changing my party affiliation. As a registered democrat I could vote for Obama in the primaries. Think about that for a second.

DannoJyd on May 17, 2007 at 3:24 PM

The gov’t isn’t going to solve this. We have to do it oursleves. Mow your own lawn, cook your own food. Don’t spend money anywhere that employs illegals. Shut off the money tap and they’ll go home….

Bad Penny on May 17, 2007 at 3:20 PM

That would have worked a few years ago. With the McShame-Swimmer-Bush Amnesty Plan, that money tap has become a full-blown hydrant courtesy the taxpayer.

steveegg on May 17, 2007 at 3:26 PM

So, Anton, how many decades are we supposed to wait for all that to work? The more we work at it, the further the Republican Party moves to the left….
Choosing between Republicans and Democrats is like choosing between a punch in the gut or a kick in the head. …. Neither is tolerable.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:11 PM

I didn’t say I was happy with the current GOP. But unless you can point to an honestly conservative and viable alternative, then registering as an indepenent does nothing useful. Independents don’t get involved in the early stages of a campaign. They don’t typically vote in primaries (although laws vary by state). Independents can have a huge voice in a general election, but by that time you will be choosing between a liberal and a “lite” liberal.

So if you want to see conservatives run, you have to get in early and help them.

Pilgrim on May 17, 2007 at 3:15 PM

Thanks, Pilgrim.

Anton on May 17, 2007 at 3:26 PM

Basically, Mexico pulled of the greatest scam of all time. They got us to take their undeveloped wilderness, waited while we civilized and developed it, and now they’re getting it back, all prettied up.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:28 PM

Sold out again. Another Kennedy victory perpetrated by Bushco.

roninacreage on May 17, 2007 at 3:28 PM

I’m not going to change my party affiliation. The other option isn’t better. I just think we need new Republican politicians.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 3:28 PM

pulled of=pulled off

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:28 PM

It is Reagans fault…learn this

tomas on May 17, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Would you people quit pressing the panic button!
This hasn’t even passed the Senate and it probably won’t.
If it gets to the House, they’ll be another brawl there, too.
The way the Dems have been running things, they’ll never get a bill passed.

I know you all think it means “amnesty” but it doesn’t.
It does provide for penalties and fines.
Hide and watch–the Dems will try to get rid of any strictures on immigration.
If you think that Bush and the GOP are “soft” on illegals, wait until the Dems get going on it.
Don’t blame Bush–at least he’s doing something.
We lived with this situation for a long time and nothing (not even Reagan’s amnesty) has been tried or has worked.
Quit b*tching and start calling your Senators and Congressmen.

Jen the Neocon on May 17, 2007 at 3:30 PM

We had a Republican Congress and a Republican White House for six years. Six years, and it’s come to this.

This is the quote of the day.

eforhan on May 17, 2007 at 3:31 PM

Well I guess the Mexicans can solve that prison overcrowding issue they have, similar to what Castro did to Carter.

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 3:31 PM

A few takes on the net:

Pytheas: Treason.

Steve Sailer’s site:

This about says it all:

“Bush, Kennedy Join Forces Over Immigration”

-USA Today

Hyscience: Bloggers Not Buying GOP Spin on “Bipartisan” Amnesty Plan

National Review: No to Bush-Kennedy

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 3:31 PM

WE need ACTUAL REPUBLICAN politicians. Not the frauds in office now….including Bush who is just a greedmonger.

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 3:32 PM

>I just think we need new Republican politicians.

As I asked Anton, how many decades are we supposed to wait for that? The party just keeps getting farther and farther away from sanity.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:32 PM

I’m not going to change my party affiliation. The other option isn’t better. I just think we need new Republican politicians.

—————
Doesn’t mean you have to vote Democrat – but obviously, the Repub party won’t listen until people start leaving. I’m going to change to Dem just so I can vote in their Primary.

stenwin77 on May 17, 2007 at 3:33 PM

>I know you all think it means “amnesty” but it doesn’t.
It does provide for penalties and fines.

Which is just a less permissive form of amnesty. A slap on the hand instead of no slap on the hand.

That’s super neato.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:34 PM

stenwin77
If you want to vote for a Dem vote for Ron Paul
/:)

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 3:34 PM

>If you want to vote for a Dem

Apparently we’ve been doing that anyway, thinking we were voting for Republicans.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:35 PM

Who really thinks that any of those penalities or fines will actually be imposed? C’mon how many times do you have to be suckered before you get it?

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 3:35 PM

tomas on May 17, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Reagan had the b@lls to call it amnesty, and admit it failed. Besides, that was twenty years ago, when we had a fraction of the problem, and this “solution” hadn’t been tried before. 20 years later, after Reagan and the country learning it doesn’t work, the government is still trying to pass this as being able to work.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 3:36 PM

Goodbye GOP.

Helloyawl on May 17, 2007 at 3:36 PM

I think people, conservatives, need to stop sitting around complaining and really get involved. I am guilty of this as much as anyone. To rail on a blog is easy. We need to take the time and effort be heard and make an impact. Call your representatives, get into your local party. This is the end of watching from the stands for me. I’m getting in the game. I hope you will too.

doginblack on May 17, 2007 at 3:37 PM

This bill seems to be based on illegals telling the truth, and us being able to catch them, if they lie. If we could’ve caught them, we wouldn’t have this problem in the first place.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 3:38 PM

it’s sad … I’ve been a registered Republican for 40 years
and have voted in every election. I sent in the paperwork over lunch hour switching to unaffiliated …. they no longer deserve my support …

Paul

pbary on May 17, 2007 at 3:40 PM

>illegals telling the truth

If they were honest, upstanding folks, they wouldn’t be breaking the law and invading a sovereign nation in the first place.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:41 PM

Reagan had the b@lls to call it amnesty, and admit it failed. Besides, that was twenty years ago, when we had a fraction of the problem, and this “solution” hadn’t been tried before. 20 years later, after Reagan and the country learning it doesn’t work, the government is still trying to pass this as being able to work.

Once you cross that bridge you can’t go back…He granted amnesty and cut and run when our boys were bombed. He screwed up.

tomas on May 17, 2007 at 3:41 PM

This bill seems to be based on illegals telling the truth, and us being able to catch them, if they lie.
amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 3:38 PM

But Sen McCain, the esteemed Senator from AZ, told me just the other night that people only lie when they are tortured. Are you saying that somebody would lie to me without being tortured????

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 3:41 PM

A couple of points of order, Jen -
It IS a done deal. Between the DhimmiRATs and the RepubicRATs, there are now more than 60 Senators lined up to sign on to the McShame-Swimmer-Bush Amnesty Act. There’s also, thanks to the Dhimmi takeover of the House, more than 217 Congress”men” to pass it there (remember, there’s no such thing as a filibuster in the House).
It IS amnesty. Yeah, they “have” to pony up $5,000 (at least if they come forward before 2009, when the Dhimmis take that provision out), but in 8-13 years, all umpteen million illegal aliens, who currently CANNOT become citizens, WILL become “citizens”.

steveegg on May 17, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Ok, wait, now. What this party doesn’t need is non-open borders crowd people leaving, and not being able to vote in the primary. Leaving the party does zilch, except satisfy you at the moment.

What needs to be done, is taking action. Making phone calls, sending emails, sending letters, talking face to face with your Congressman, sending bricks, etc. I doubt President Bush cares if 8 people leave the party. That’s just 8 fewer party members who disagree with them.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Enrique, I really don’t think you have a clue. I work in the oilfields of West Texas. I know a number of the workers I work around are illegal aliens. They are making between $8,000.00 – $10,000.00 a month clear as either roughnecks or welders. How does $8,000.00 a month clear sound to you? Who ever said illegal aliens are taking jobs no Americans want. What a crock. Clearing $90,000.00 – $100,000.00 a year would be incentive enough for me to do a job. How about you?

locwilliam on May 17, 2007 at 3:44 PM

tomas on May 17, 2007 at 3:41 PM

Umm, you could go back. It’s not like this was the only choice. We could’ve secured the border, kicked up raids, deported illegals caught, etc. It’s not like this was the only viable option, after 20 years.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 3:45 PM

Congrats Mr. Illegal, you made it. You were able to duck and hide (except during the immigration march), just long enough to be granted your dream. You were a law breaker and a criminal, now you are on the path to citizenship.

If we caught you yesterday we would have deported your a$$. If we catch you tomorrow, you’re in.

Thanks Mr. President. You just stuck your middle finger in the eye of all our ancestors who did it the right way. What you have done is shameful.

The GOP is ALIEN-ating there own base. I can’t understand this for a second. Do they really hold that much contempt for their own?

robman27 on May 17, 2007 at 3:45 PM

Sometimes you have to tear down the house and start all over again…is anyone arguing the Republican party if not there, is very, very close to that state of disrepair? Yes there are some good people out there and I will vote for them. But no across the board republican punch on my ballot…and I’ll waste my vote on a write-in if I have to before voting for anyone on the wrong side of this issue. Maybe I’ll finally go join the Minutemen so Jerry Rivers can call me a vigilanty racist.

b4itsover on May 17, 2007 at 3:46 PM

>Leaving the party does zilch, except satisfy you at the moment.

And how has sticking with it as it slides farther left helped? Again, how many decades are we supposed to stick with this abomination?

Punch in the gut or kick in the head.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Bush doesn’t matter right now. Granted he gets the last word by signing the bill or vetoing it. The job of the citizens is to voice their opinion to the lawmakers in congress to kill this bill before it gets that far. So in that regard the average American can do something but it is going to involve your elected lawmakers. My representative is a Dem and he will do whatever Nancy tells him do but I can still make my voice known. I am lucky in that GA has 2 Republican senators and they appear ready to vote against this bill in the Senate, but alas they are out numbered.
So anyway the point being quit talking about jumping ship and make those you sent to DC work for you and if they don’t find somebody in your area to replace them in the next election.

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 3:48 PM

>quit talking about jumping ship

We don’t even have our own ship.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:50 PM

People you are complaining about a party that a lot of you have voted for allowing them to stay in the goverment. It is a lot of the “Vote out the bums except mine”. How long has Spector been there? How about McCain? But go to their districts and all you will hear is how great they are but boy, the rest of the bums need to go.

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 3:51 PM

I just want to know who the so called “representatives” are that vote for passage of this sell out of the American people! “Rule of law” now only applies to American citizens, I guess.

hamdude on May 17, 2007 at 3:53 PM

People you are complaining about a party that a lot of you have voted for allowing them to stay in the goverment. It is a lot of the “Vote out the bums except mine”. How long has Spector been there? How about McCain? But go to their districts and all you will hear is how great they are but boy, the rest of the bums need to go.

Sorry, I don’t live in Pennsylvania or Arizona. It is out of my hands. I wouldn’t vote McCain or Spector dogcatcher if given the opportunity.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 3:53 PM

Really, what’s left to do? Writing your congressman or senator does not work, and we all know it. You get a carefully scripted response, that backs up their position. Not enough people vote for it to matter, especially in mid-terms. Most people don’t even know who their senator or congressman is. Basically, this is the status quo, and we that are passionate about this will just have to suck it up, or switch parties. Either way, we lose.

bmac on May 17, 2007 at 3:55 PM

How about this – 20 million Americans cross the Mexican border illegally and demand free tacos, citizenship and senioritas? We could promise to do the jobs Mexicans just won’t do (and that’s apparently a very long list).

I mean, wouldn’t that be more than fair?

Halley on May 17, 2007 at 3:56 PM

Who in the Senate will stand up for the people and filibuster this garbage?

Anyone?

Dave Shay on May 17, 2007 at 3:58 PM

The $5000 fine should help, right? I keep reading that even most shiny white Americans don’t have $5000 in savings, much less $5000 per family member.

Tanya on May 17, 2007 at 4:00 PM

Doesn’t mean you have to vote Democrat – but obviously, the Repub party won’t listen until people start leaving. I’m going to change to Dem just so I can vote in their Primary.

stenwin77 on May 17, 2007 at 3:33 PM

Exactly, and won’t the republican GOP be happy when they see all of the party affiliation changes!

Damn traitors!

DannoJyd on May 17, 2007 at 4:01 PM

The $5000 fine should help, right? I keep reading that even most shiny white Americans don’t have $5000 in savings, much less $5000 per family member.

No. These sort of rule will be quietly shunted aside in future legislation.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 4:02 PM

Tancredo responds.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 4:02 PM

We had a Republican Congress and a Republican White House for six years. Six years, and it’s come to this.

Six years in name only. They had the chance to do so much for our Country and pissed it down their leg. The will of the American people is being subverted by our elected crooks and the President goes on TV and rubs our noses in it.

We’re not Americans anymore. Now we’re called “hard-liners”. Add that to the list of all our other labels. I am too disgusted to write anymore.

repvoter on May 17, 2007 at 4:04 PM

Shouldn’t the penalty for invasion of a sovereign nation be a bit stiffer than $5000?

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 4:04 PM

sad … I’ve been a registered Republican for 40 years
and have voted in every election. I sent in the paperwork over lunch hour switching to unaffiliated …. they no longer deserve my support …

Paul

—————-
I’m doing mine tomorrow. It is sad but I think the party has the attitude that we’ll complain but we’ll never switch. They aren’t going to get the message until ALL of us take action.

stenwin77 on May 17, 2007 at 4:04 PM

I hate this plan just like the rest of you, but I think a lot of you are being really shortsighted with all this Bush/Republican bashing and hyperbole. Try to keep things in perspective.

Patriot33 on May 17, 2007 at 4:05 PM

I hate this plan just like the rest of you, but I think a lot of you are being really shortsighted with all this Bush/Republican bashing and hyperbole. Try to keep things in perspective.

What perspective is that, if you don’t mind we asking?

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 4:05 PM

>I think a lot of you are being really shortsighted with all this Bush/Republican bashing

Shortsighted? How many decades do we have to endure this sight before it’s not shortsighted anymore?

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 4:06 PM

Gee, now who’s going to do jobs Americans don’t want to do?

eforhan on May 17, 2007 at 4:07 PM

I say we invade Mexico and take over, demand our rights, ’cause we’re all one big happy family.

moonsbreath on May 17, 2007 at 4:10 PM

Look, this country is being absolutly overwhelmed. 2 million a year. That’s a major city. Every year. That’s a city the size of Phoenix, bigger than Austin TX. Every single year. Do the math.

bmac on May 17, 2007 at 4:10 PM

I hate this plan just like the rest of you, but I think a lot of you are being really shortsighted with all this Bush/Republican bashing and hyperbole. Try to keep things in perspective.

Patriot33 on May 17, 2007 at 4:05 PM

Is that you, Fred Barnes? Or is it Bill Kristol?

thirteen28 on May 17, 2007 at 4:11 PM

What do you mean we can’t just keep letting people into this country? We still have legal, tax-payers to support the program.

Hening on May 17, 2007 at 4:11 PM

How many of these illegals drive automobiles? The increased greenhouse gases being generated in America by these illegal drivers has increased the US carbon footprint and if we seent them back to Mexico ours would go down. Also it would lower the price of gas since we would have less demand with 12 million fewer drivers on the road.
See you just have to frame the argument in a way the liberals would understand.

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 4:14 PM

What perspective is that, if you don’t mind we asking?

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 4:05 PM

Oh I don’t know, the fact that we’re at war and only one political party is willing to fight it. Some of you sure taught the GOP a lesson in the 06 elections, huh, where did that get us? They only moved to the left, and now we have real traitors like Pelosi and Reid running the show in Washington. I guess you’re really willing to see Democrats run the country into the ground in 08 so long as you stick it to the GOP on immigration?

Patriot33 on May 17, 2007 at 4:16 PM

The conservatives are committing harakiri, and will not recover for the next 40 years.

Entelechy on May 17, 2007 at 4:16 PM

Don’t blame Bush–at least he’s doing something…(Jen)

Yeah he’s selling the country to Mexico for less than the $24 dollars in costume jewelry the Indians got for Manhattan….what a legacy!!!

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 4:17 PM

The GOP stuck it to us on immigration buddy!

bmac on May 17, 2007 at 4:18 PM

Can we celebrate Cinco de Mayo all year ’round?

ballz2wallz on May 17, 2007 at 4:18 PM

I’m expecting one, though.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Same here.

I think its time for a good old fashion Civil War. Maybe then our Weak, feeble minded leaders would pay attention.

americaslaststand on May 17, 2007 at 1:57 PM

Unless the Army and Marines join us, we’re going to be woefully outgunned. M-2 + ceramic-backed Kevlar + grenades of all types > .30-06 semi-autos (and that’s assuming the Air Force doesn’t bring JDAMs to the fight).

steveegg on May 17, 2007 at 2:29 PM

No need. Just cut off the hydra’s heads if you get my drift.

voiceofreason on May 17, 2007 at 4:19 PM

Patriot…IF the republicans were truly fighting the war it would have been won by now….It is stall tactic 101 and it has tied the hands of our troops….what a farce!!!

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 4:19 PM

McCain will not be lauded, but rather blamed.

Let’s see if Fred has a smart and ‘balanced’ response prepared to this, as it is waaaay bigger than Michael Moore.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) needs to be thrown out. Smug little twit, ’smarter’ than thou.

Entelechy on May 17, 2007 at 4:19 PM

Another quick question… I keep hearing 12 million…

What happens when they bring all there families in?

And just how did we come up with that number? I mean, if we can’t figure it out to deport them, how did we do so to count them?

Bet when all is said and done, we are looking at 20 million here now, 40-50 million by the time their “families” get here… now thats 15-20% increase in the American population…

Romeo13 on May 17, 2007 at 4:19 PM

We did not have the Senate for all 6 years. Anyone remember Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschille?

DannoJyd on May 17, 2007 at 4:19 PM

Patriot33
It isn’t just the immigration issue. Tehy appear ready to side with the Dems on the cut and run from Iraq. They won’t press the investigations on the corrupt Dems while they are having to endure every sort of scrunity of their actions. Gonzalez fires a couple of guys and the Dems go into impeachment mode and meanwhile William Jefferson and Feinstein are up to their eyeballs in all kinds of corruption and not a peep.
Dems load a funding bill with pork and very little is made of that point but all the emphasis is put on the deadline.
Republicans need attack dogs and all they have is chihuahaua

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 4:19 PM

>we’re at war and only one political party is willing to fight it.

Which one is that? It certainly isn’t the Democrats OR the Republicans, that’s for sure. They’re both just playing games and getting in the way of the military winning the war.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Oh I don’t know, the fact that we’re at war and only one political party is willing to fight it. Some of you sure taught the GOP a lesson in the 06 elections, huh, where did that get us? They only moved to the left, and now we have real traitors like Pelosi and Reid running the show in Washington. I guess you’re really willing to see Democrats run the country into the ground in 08 so long as you stick it to the GOP on immigration?

Patriot33 on May 17, 2007 at 4:16 PM

Really?

I thought border security was part of fighting the war, yet just recently we learned that 3 de facto enemy combatants (of the Fort Dix Six) were illegal immigrants who entered through our Southern Border. And now there are enough republicans to go along with the democrats to give people like that amnesty for breaking our laws.

If that’s fighting the war, we’re f–ked.

thirteen28 on May 17, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Patriot33, don’t forget the Duka brothers entered this country through Mexico. You can’t fight a war on terror when you allow anyone from Mexico free passage. Mexicans aren’t the only ones entering. During all these Mexican demostrations, not once did I ever hear a Mexican say they even love this country and are willing to die for it. All I’ve heard is “I came here to work.”

I’m sure you’ve even read about Hamas in South America? They look hispanic and speak Spanish and have threatened to do suicide bombings in our country if we do anything against Iran. How do you think they would enter our country?

moonsbreath on May 17, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Like I said, I’m infuriated with you. But first of all, none of this is law yet. Second, what exactly do you think will happen if many conservative voters leave the Republican party? Do you think that suddenly they’ll be conservative again? That maybe so–in about 40 years–when, btw, we might not even have a country if we don’t win this war. I am just as mad at some of these Republicans as you guys are, but I don’t really think the options you’re proposing are good ones…

Patriot33 on May 17, 2007 at 4:22 PM

>“I came here to work.”

My reply would be “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 4:22 PM

I heard Newt last night and liked all of his suggestions on illegal immigration. I wish he would hurry up and say he’s going to run.

moonsbreath on May 17, 2007 at 4:23 PM

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