Breaking: Bush, Senate leaders reach immigration agreement; Update: “I don’t care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty”; Update: Illegals slam bill as too onerous

posted at 1:15 pm on May 17, 2007 by Allahpundit

Fox News and MSNBC are reporting that the hour of reckoning is at hand. Stand by for details, although I think we already know most of them.

Update: “Quick legal status.”

A bipartisan group of senators reached agreement with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul to grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border against new ones…

It set the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle next week in the Senate on one of Bush’s top non-war priorities.

The group of lawmakers had been haggling over the terms of agreement for weeks were reviewing language negotiated Wednesday night in efforts to nail down a deal. Among the final sticking points was a stubborn dispute over how much family ties count toward green cards under a new “point system.” The plan prioritizes advanced skills and education levels for future immigrants.

Update: The formal announcement is at 1:30. Reuters has a few of the basics already; it looks like the GOP won the battle over whether illegals can bring extended family with them.

The legislation would create a temporary worker program that would require laborers to return home after a period of time. Tough border security and workplace enforcement measures would go into place before the temporary worker program, congressional aides said.

The proposal would limit family-based migration to immediate family members and establish a merit-based system by which future migrants could earn points for skills, education, understanding of English and family ties.

Update: Michelle is posting reaction and points to a WashTimes report from last night that claimed Bush was ready to cave on safeguards that would prevent fraud in the guest-worker program. She also links to a point by point rebuttal of the GOP talking points at Lone Wacko.

Update: Quote of the day:

Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, said he had doubts about this approach, but said Congress had to do something because his constituents were telling him that “they feel they are being overrun with uncontrolled immigration.”

The irony is that most Republicans would accept a compromise on the back half of the equation, even if it meant legalizing large numbers of illegals who are already here, if the party was serious about plugging the leaks in the border. Show us a sustained, good faith effort to secure it and then we can deal charitably with the “undocumented.” Anyone think that’s in the offing?

Update: WaPo has the major details. 400,000 “guest workers” a year. And unless they’ve made an oversight, the English-language requirement for the “Z visa” that would grant permanent legal status has been dropped: “each Z Visa itself would be renewable indefinitely, as long as the holder passes a criminal background check, remains fully employed and pays a $5,000 fine, plus a paperwork-processing fee.”

Update: Near as I can tell (nitty gritty details being suspiciously hard to come by in news reports on immigration), there are two basic innovations to the bill: replacing family connections with a “points system” that emphasizes job skills and education as the key criteria for a green card — which seems odd given the argument about needing low-skilled workers to do the jobs Americans won’t do — and the requirement that the “Z visa” program not be triggered until certain measures have been taken to enforce the border. Question per Lone Wacko: Does that mean actual, concrete improvements in border security or merely passing laws and allocating funds for improvements that are never going to be made, like that nifty border fence they passed last year?

We had a Republican Congress and a Republican White House for six years. Six years, and it’s come to this.

Update: Bush applauds. And I take it back — here’s the line of the day:

“This is what my 9th grade teacher told me government is all about and I finally got to experience it,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

Update: The Counterterrorism Blog says it’s a national security disaster:

In short order, the system will be overwhelmed. Whatever minimal fraud detection and prevention safeguards might be erected won’t last long in the face of hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of applications and petitions to be adjudicated. What that means is the information provided on those applications and petitions, and whatever supporting documents they may have (if any), will essentially be taken at face value. Whatever the applicant alien tells the adjudicator will essentially be taken at face value. There will be little time or process available to verify anything, perhaps beyond running the applicant’s name through a standard battery of computer databases (and, even that may become so time consuming some will slip through the cracks).

Update: Who among the GOP candidates reaps the whirlwind on this? It’s got to be McCain, right?

Expect Rudy to pronounce himself “troubled” by the deal.

Update: Jim DeMint: “I don’t care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty.”

Update: Tancredo goes right after McCain:

“Senator McCain and his allies seem to think that they can dupe the American public into accepting a blanket amnesty if they just call it ‘comprehensive’ or ‘earned legalization’ or ‘regularization.’ Unfortunately for them, however, the American people know amnesty when they see it,” said Tancredo. “The President is so desperate for a legacy and a domestic policy win that he is willing to sell out the American people and our national security.”

“If Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy spent as much time working on improving border security as they did poll testing creative euphemisms for amnesty, America would be a much safer place,” quipped Tancredo.

Update: Rich Lowry thinks the “triggers” are a scam from the word go, with amnesty granted immediately upon passage of the bill and the “Z visas,” which are keed to the enforcement triggers, only relevant insofar as they allow the bearer to travel. But even if Lowry’s wrong, what happens to the illegals who are here while the feds are working towards the triggers? Let’s say they get bogged down and can’t get them done for another decade. What’s the status of the “undocumented” during that interim period?

Update: Illegal aliens don’t like the bill either, a claim which will doubtless be trumpeted by proponents to “prove” that it’s a fair compromise. Actually, what it proves is that even the amnesty side of it is crap that won’t achieve what it means to.

The sub-moronic “touchback” provision comes in for special abuse:

David Guerra wants to be legal, but he says the path to citizenship offered by the Senate on Thursday would be too risky and too expensive, and could end up driving him deeper into the shadows…

“If I go home, who is going to guarantee that I’ll be let back in?” said the 44-year-old who lays bricks, clears weeds and does landscaping…

“Where would I find $5,000? In two years, I don’t get $5,000,” said Daniel Carrillo Maldonado, an illegal immigrant who was looking for construction work outside a Home Depot in Phoenix…

Amy Ndour, a 23-year-old illegal immigrant from Senegal who lives in New York, said she would be willing to pay the $5,000 fine, but not return home because her family there depends on what she earns as a hair braider.

“I’m helping myself” here, she said. “I’m helping people there too.”…

Many illegal immigrants said they had little incentive to apply for residency because the process was long and did not offer much hope of bringing their families.

“If I’ll never be able to bring my family, why should I apply?” said Jose Monson, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Guatemala who has lived in Los Angeles for four years. “I prefer to just stay here illegally.”


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And now the Race for the Border really begins.

Romeo13 on May 17, 2007 at 1:19 PM

Any hopes for filibuster here?

lorien1973 on May 17, 2007 at 1:19 PM

Time to break out the tequila.

Halley on May 17, 2007 at 1:20 PM

So, how long before we’re required to give them legal status as members of our families and let them live in your houses?

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 1:22 PM

No kidding Romeo. This really makes me sick but I guess there isn’t a thing I can do about it now. Everyone I know is angry about this. I mean when did what Mexico wants become more important than the people of the US? Se Habla Espanol? Better learn soon and prepare for nothing but Democraps in Congress and the White House from here until who knows. 12-20 million people who will bring Grandma and the kitchen sink with them.

Catie96706 on May 17, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Hey… anyone wanna help start a Diploma factory down in Mexico?

Romeo13 on May 17, 2007 at 1:22 PM

I hope conservatives that didn’t help to try to keep one of the houses of Congress last election will be happy with the fact that because of this amnesty there won’t be a Republican (well maybe I should say conservative) in the white house again probably in my lifetime.

Darksean on May 17, 2007 at 1:29 PM

This is why revolutions happen. The elected representatives of this country are acting directly against the wishes of it’s people, democrat and republican. This will open the floodgates at the border. Homeland security? What a joke! ALL our politicians are more than willing to sell us all out in a New York minute.

bmac on May 17, 2007 at 1:31 PM

This is the end of the two-party system, and of the GOP.

PRCalDude on May 17, 2007 at 1:32 PM

Romeo13 on May 17, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Where do you want to meet, to discuss the details?

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 1:32 PM

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 1:36 PM

But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 1:39 PM

Well, that’s how Rome ended. Hopefully, there’s a Venice or two left after the borders are swarmed.

Krydor on May 17, 2007 at 1:39 PM

If I was Canada, I would start building that fence RIGHT NOW!

mojowire on May 17, 2007 at 1:45 PM

Bush is sealing his legacy as the worst president in United States history with this act.

The Democrats can have the next president. Once this passes, I’m through with the backstabbing Mexipublicans for life. This party has proven utterly worthless for accomplishing much of anything in recent years anyway.

Enjoy a Democratic majority and a left-leaning Mexipublican party into the far future.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 1:45 PM

Who or what in the world does this government represent? It is truly a government of the politicians, by the politicians and for the politicians.

This is a sad day for the Republic.

rplat on May 17, 2007 at 1:46 PM

Wow. Allah, you need a good graphic for this story.

Like a piece of red meat.

With a nuclear explosion on top.

Slublog on May 17, 2007 at 1:46 PM

Meh, so illegal immigrants will now be granted the status of second-class citizens? What’s changing? The illegal immigrants that were working hard for a meager wage will continue to work hard for a meager wage; the illegals that were sucking up welfare will continue to suck up welfare; the illegals that were voting Democrat will continue to vote Democrat. This seems like much nothing about ado.

Enrique on May 17, 2007 at 1:47 PM

GOOOOOAAAAALLLLLL

liberrocky on May 17, 2007 at 1:47 PM

And now it is official. We are now ruled by kings. The kings don’t like the law the kings ignore the law. I’m done with the Republican party. Done.

Zetterson on May 17, 2007 at 1:48 PM

“throwing off such Government” is a strong thing. They guys that did it before lost everything in the fight and folks today would be up against even steeper odds because the VAST majority of Americans just don’t care.

This is a sickening thing. I listen to the debate and hear all the garbage spewing forth from these wh0r3′s mouths and know that they don’t mean much of any of it…simply spewing forth what they think we want to hear. There are a couple of principled folks out there…a couple….but I’m not sure they are willing to do what it’s going to take to tackle this particular problem.

that cabin in the mountains looks better and better all the time.

Pilgrim on May 17, 2007 at 1:49 PM

20 million immigrants cross our borders in the dark of night and take up residence here illegally. There are immigration LAWS that prohibit this kind of intrusion. And what do our representatives in congress do to these lawbreakers? They say, that’s OK, we welcome you.

Last time I checked, the IRS stipulated that paying taxes was voluntary. So if I stopped paying my taxes, I wouldn’t even be breaking any laws.

Gee, ya think that would be Otay with Congress?

fogw on May 17, 2007 at 1:50 PM

Our system of government is broken beyond all repair. How can we be led by representatives so out of touch with it’s people? There is waaay too much money involved in politics now. Only multi-multi millionaires can even consider running for any office. As a result we get elites who have no clue how real life works, and are happily leading us to our own destruction, because they don’t have to deal with the repurcusions of illegal immigration from their mansions and limos.

bmac on May 17, 2007 at 1:51 PM

Slublog & AP-

how about the same ‘shroom cloud with this image at about %30 opaque showing through it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AtomHeartMotherCover.jpeg

Pilgrim on May 17, 2007 at 1:51 PM

As near as I can tell from the fragmentary information available, even the requirements to pay the fine and “go home” is unenforcible.

And “tough border security and workplace enforcement measures would go into place before the temporary worker program” apparently means not putting employers who hire those who still do not comply with the amnesty provisions, in jail. That idea was taken off the table.

georgej on May 17, 2007 at 1:53 PM

The only “homeland security” we’ve got now is our own guns.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Instead of doing its job, congress will distribute a generous supply of anal lube to all citizens.

Thank you, Mr. President.

locomotivebreath1901 on May 17, 2007 at 1:54 PM

Wow. Allah, you need a good graphic for this story.

Like a piece of red meat.

With a nuclear explosion on top.

Slublog on May 17, 2007 at 1:46 PM

I second that. All that means is, when we become part of the Worldwide Islamokazi Caliphate, we’ll be interspersing Spanish with our Arabic instead of English.

steveegg on May 17, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Can anyone explain how the hell the Republicans could seal their fate like this? Not that I am a fan of the Republican Party but I am even less of a fan of a One-Party system.

HOW CAN THEY DO THIS TO THEMSELVES? (NOT TO MENTION TO THE COUNTRY AND ALL AMERICANS!)

America1st on May 17, 2007 at 1:56 PM

Eh. I had a steak burrito at Chipotle’s for lunch today. It was tasty!

What do you guys think of poor Melinda getting voted off American Idol? Outrageous!

/Sarcasm off.

Anton on May 17, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Where is Ike?

we need him badly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

Just got off the Whitehouse comment line and told the operator to pass on to Bush that he and teh GOP have lost one household. If this shit goes through I’ll never cast another vote unless it is for Tancredo.

MikeG on May 17, 2007 at 2:00 PM

“throwing off such Government” is a strong thing. They guys that did it before lost everything in the fight and folks today would be up against even steeper odds because the VAST majority of Americans just don’t care.

In today’s world, that doesn’t mean walking into the White House, and taking the President, throwing him out on the street. I’m referring to voting all of them out, and putting new ones in, with the knowledge that if they screw up, we’ll vote all of them out, as well.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 2:01 PM

americaslaststand on May 17, 2007 at 1:57 PM

They’d be too busy eating their catered meals, smoking fancy cigars, riding in their fancy cars, and collecting their $165,000 – $400,000/year salaries, to notice.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 2:03 PM

Where is Ike when you need him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

Whitehouse switchboard is inundated. I just got off the phone after telling the operator to record the fact there’s one less Indiana household that’ll cast a vote the next time around – unless it is for Tancredo.

ThanksGod for the 2nd amendment

MikeG on May 17, 2007 at 2:04 PM

The irony to the deal is that most Republicans would accept a compromise on the back half of the equation, even if it meant legalizing large numbers of illegals who are already here, if the party were serious about the first half by plugging the dam in the border. Show us a sustained, good faith effort to secure it and then we can deal charitably with the “undocumented.” Anyone think that’s in the offing?

I’d say the progress on the mythical fence that was approved last year tells us everything we need to know about whether or not there will be a good-faith enforcement effort.

In short (and emphatically), NO.

thirteen28 on May 17, 2007 at 2:06 PM

ThanksGod for the 2nd amendment

MikeG on May 17, 2007 at 2:04 PM

Yeah well, it wont be long until that is gone as well.

americaslaststand on May 17, 2007 at 2:07 PM

In today’s world, that doesn’t mean walking into the White House, and taking the President, throwing him out on the street. I’m referring to voting all of them out, and putting new ones in, with the knowledge that if they screw up, we’ll vote all of them out, as well.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 2:01 PM

We thought we did that on a national scale in 1994/2000. Look what that got us.

Disclaimer – I am NOT advocating another Civil War.

steveegg on May 17, 2007 at 2:07 PM

Tom Tancredo for Prez. anyone?

omnipotent on May 17, 2007 at 2:08 PM

I’m on my fifth tequila. Is is cinca de maya yet?

Now I really want a mean SOB as our next president.

How could the GOP do this to itself? Easy – same reason Bush is now concerned about “climate change”. Same reason revealing national security secrets to the enemy is “freedom of speech”. Same reason Sandy Burger and Michael Moore are not in jail. Same reason we cannot even name those who are plotting to nuke us in the war on “terror”:

“We produced the wealth of the world- but we let our enemies write its moral code.” – Francisco d’Anconia, in Atlas Shrugged

Halley on May 17, 2007 at 2:09 PM

OLEEE! OLE, OLE, OLE! O-LEEEEEEE, O-LEEEEEE!

Hell with all of these idiots in Washington. Seriously, a plague on both their houses. Republicans are gutless coward sell outs for the most part these days. They are just as big of idiots as the Democrats.

I’m done as a Republican. I’m through with this idiotic political system. At least I can say I was never a Democrat.

SillyRyno on May 17, 2007 at 2:12 PM

The free-spending folks on Capitol Hill, Democrats and Republicans alike, have decided they don’t much care for Anglo-American traditions of limited government and personal responsibility, so they have decided to elect a new population, one that possesses few of those pesky Anglo values, one that judges parties on which can deliver the most goodies.

Most Americans don’t appreciate how unique Anglophile conservatism really is. There isn’t anything quite like it in Latin America, Asia, or continental Europe. In Latin America there are no conservatives in the sense that we know them. There, conservatives are the parties of the rich and the parties that promise greater efficiency of government, not the parties that promise smaller government or advocate self-responsibility. So, when you look at those not-very-conservative, not-very-small-government California Republicans, like Schwarzenegger, you are seeing the future of the national Republican Party as a whole.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 2:14 PM

I already have to speak Spanish where I live because of the influx of Hispanics who have started their own businesses around here, even the sign for the stores are in Spanish, so I am serious about needing to speak Spanish. Them being able to communicate in English no big deal. It is easy to tell whitey to hit the road because of course only skin color is capable of being rascist.
I really willl have to take pictures and get tem up somehow to show how prevalent the problem is. Oh where do I live? In the suburbs of Atlanta, a long way from the Mexican border.

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Conservatism as we know it died with Ronald Reagan. There is not one, NOT ONE conservative politician serving today. Nor is there likely to be anytime in the near future.

bmac on May 17, 2007 at 2:18 PM

We already knew that most of the Republicans in the Senate are a bunch of cave artists anyway, they just caved again like last year.

Hopefully the House Repubs will be a different story also like last year.
No legislation is better than bad legislation.

Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, said he had doubts about this approach, but said Congress had to do something because his constituents were telling him that “they feel they are being overrun with uncontrolled immigration.”

So more meaningless fluff (in the porn star sense) is better?
If we’re being over run wouldn’t law enforcement be one pretty good option?..D,oh!

If more laws are enacted that just means more burden on an overwhelmed system which means more illegal aliens anyway.

Mission accomplished!

C’mon House! Gimme a D! Gimme a E! Gimme a P! Gimme an O! Gimme an R! Gimme a T!

GOOOO! House!

Speakup on May 17, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Something had to give, but I still need to see more details and HEAR FROM FRED!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on May 17, 2007 at 2:20 PM

Sounds like the same tactic with the Iraq war funding, except the roles are reversed. The House passes a BS bill and the Senate rejects it. Sounds like the politicans have figured out how to play a nice little game all the while keeping an eye on the next election, because afterall the chances of them becoming unemployed is pretty remote.

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 2:21 PM

>Where the hell is a Lee Harvey Oswald when you need one?

I think that’s taking it a bit too far…

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 2:22 PM

Disaster! So, are we now to accept that the federal government (the same federal government that put us in this position through its gross incompetence) will become competent overnight in its ability to manage illegal immigration, and the 12 to 20 million illegals already here? Is there any hope that the House can stop it?

Bloodhound on May 17, 2007 at 2:23 PM

I have written personal emails to each of my Texas senators (Cornyn, Hucthinson) and told them I expect them to fight against this…they won’t. This is my biggest issue and I believe it is so for many people, both Dems and Repubs…but we get nothing. If the republicans let me down on this I’m done with them. And before you say…but the Dems are worse…yes they are. But at least I know what I’m getting for my money. I still don’t think the rebubs get it and it may take a total house cleaning to get the message across…I’m prepared to do that with this news.

b4itsover on May 17, 2007 at 2:27 PM

How can someone like McCain who willingly subjected himself the the most brutal torture imaginable for the love of his country lead the charge to sell out his country? I just do not get it.

Zetterson on May 17, 2007 at 2:29 PM

Send a message of disgust with your party – change your registration to independent today~!

Bloodhound on May 17, 2007 at 2:30 PM

I hate the Republican Party.

Can anyone explain to me why we vote for Republicans when the only citizens they care about are Mexican and the only policy they adopt is Democratic…

Tim Burton on May 17, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Sounds like the same tactic with the Iraq war funding, except the roles are reversed….

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 2:21 PM

That was the “beauty” of the Gutless Old Party throwing the 2006 election and giving us Queen Plastic as Speaker. There now is no way to stop it through the political process.

steveegg on May 17, 2007 at 2:31 PM

How can someone like McCain who willingly subjected himself the the most brutal torture imaginable for the love of his country lead the charge to sell out his country? I just do not get it.

Ask Jack Murtha how he could serve in the Marines and sell them out later. And how about Chuck Hagel?

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 2:32 PM

I have written personal emails to each of my Texas senators (Cornyn, Hucthinson) and told them I expect them to fight against this…they won’t. This is my biggest issue and I believe it is so for many people, both Dems and Repubs…but we get nothing. If the republicans let me down on this I’m done with them. And before you say…but the Dems are worse…yes they are. But at least I know what I’m getting for my money. I still don’t think the rebubs get it and it may take a total house cleaning to get the message across…I’m prepared to do that with this news.

b4itsover on May 17, 2007 at 2:27 PM

I share the same senators – and the same sentiments.

Things will probably have to get a lot worse before they get better. It’s clear that our senators do not represent us in anything more than the barest sense of the word at this point.

thirteen28 on May 17, 2007 at 2:32 PM

Here in Texas the mall and Wal Mart i go to is usually about 75% mexican, and about half of them don’t even bother speaking english. You can pretty much kiss this state goodbye.

forged rite on May 17, 2007 at 2:32 PM

How can someone like McCain who willingly subjected himself the the most brutal torture imaginable for the love of his country lead the charge to sell out his country? I just do not get it.

Zetterson on May 17, 2007 at 2:29 PM

Manchurian Candidate.

It was brainwashing…

Tim Burton on May 17, 2007 at 2:32 PM

We no longer have leaders in goverment, we have managers and facillators. Instead of conservatives trying to one up each other being the bulldog they have all turned into Fwench poodles.
Yes, their is a difference between leaders and managers. Leaders make the tough decisions, and once the decision has been made execute the plan and make their adjustments on the way to accomplishing the goal.
Managers hold board meetings, sensing sessions, brainstorming, and based decisions on consensus and being inclusive without offending. The Gremlin automobile is a good example of this while the Mustang shows leadership.
Which one is still on the road and production?

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 2:33 PM

Anyone know of any appealing third parties besides libertarians? I would rather vote for a hopeless third party on principle than either the Dhimmicrats or the Mexipublicans at this point.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 2:34 PM

Here in Texas the mall and Wal Mart i go to is usually about 75% mexican, and about half of them don’t even bother speaking english. You can pretty much kiss this state goodbye.

forged rite on May 17, 2007 at 2:32 PM

RECONQUISTA!!!!!!!!! Si, Se Puede! RECONQUISTA!!!!!!!!! Si, Se Puede! RECONQUISTA!!!!!!!!!

(That will be the chant and the next march.)

Tim Burton on May 17, 2007 at 2:34 PM

Since our lawmakers have basically flipped us the bird, we need to take matters into our own hands. Obviously, we need not vote for these traitors again.

I for one no longer support the republican party. Whenever I get their mailings for donations, I will mail it back with no money. They will no longer bite this hand that has fed them in the past. Instead of money, I will use their postage paid envelope to mail them a picture of illegal aliens grossing the border and tell them to get money from them since these are the people they have chosen to represent.

In addition, I will not be doing business with businesses who use illegal aliens. A bit harder to do since they all all be “legal” soon anyway. It is a shame because the legal immigrants are surely going to suffer backlash due to the illegals because we will no longer be able to tell them apart.

jman on May 17, 2007 at 2:35 PM

Crapola.

Iblis on May 17, 2007 at 2:35 PM

I voted third party once, true confession time, and it gave us Clinton. That was a vote which wound up affecting my life dramatically since I was on Active Duty at the time. I have pretty much made up my mind that any vote not for a Republican is by default a vote for the Dem and I still consider the Dems the bigger threat to my life and liberty, but the Repubs are certainly putting on one hell of a sprint to catch up.

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 2:38 PM

Okay I had 30 minutes or so to kill – well, not really, but this pisses me off so much that I made the time – and skimmed through some of the draft. I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but a few things really jumped out at me in S.1348:

SEC 103 (a):

Construction of Border Control Facilities- Subject to the availability of appropriations, the Secretary shall construct all-weather roads and acquire additional vehicle barriers and facilities necessary to achieve operational control of the international borders of the United States.

Really? Subject to the availability of appropriations?? Why, whatever could that mean?

Paraphrased from SEC 245B:

If an alien is ordered to be removed due to the fact that he/she did not submit to inspection on reentering the US, remained past their authorized date, failed to maintain “legal” status while in the US (whatever the hell that means), or if their leaving would cause their family “hardship,” they CONTINUE TO REMAIN ELIGIBLE for adjustment to lawful resident status.

So, basically, we say “Here are the rules we want you to follow. If you don’t follow them, we will kick you out. Except when we don’t.” WTF?!?!

A few other tidbits (all in summary form):

•The draft includes $400M to process criminal illegal aliens.
Wait! I thought that they were all hard-working people who just wanted to come here for a better life. You mean some of them might be criminals?!

•It also allows for “sufficient transportation and officers to take illegal aliens apprehended by State and local law enforcement officers into custody for processing at a detention facility…”
What happens then? I’m so glad you asked! Alternatives to detention still include “release on order of recognizance.” So, it’s just business-as-usual boys and girls!

•Proof of work history requires only that they have affidavits from non-relatives.
So they can line up on the south side, say “Si! I have lived in los Estados Unidos for cinco anos, so I am eligible to become a nonimmigrant! Here are my amigos who will tell you the truth!”

•Taxes – they don’t get to file for refunds prior to FY2006.
Boo freakin’ hoo.

•Siblings (under 18) and ex-spouses also have the right to jump to the front of the line.
Yes, that’s EX-spouses. Everyone knows you can’t move to a new country without bringing along all your old baggage!

Quite possibly my (sarc)favorite(\sarc) one:
SEC 922 of Title 18 will be amended to allow “nonimmigrants” (yep, that beats “illegal aliens” any day) to own firearms.
Yippee ki yi yay!! I just can’t wait for the next Cinco de Mayo!!

Sorry, I know that this is long, and I’m preaching to the choir, but I am just sick today as I watch the greatest country on earth implode. Every last one of these @ssh0les who votes for this crap, or does not work hard enough against it, needs to be voted out of office as soon as we get the chance.

lan astaslem on May 17, 2007 at 2:42 PM

This ridiculous comprimise will have a tsunami effect and will send hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants clamoring across the border to get in on the amnesty. There is absolutely no way to confirm how long they have been here. Another absolute failure spearheaded by the insanity of Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

Dear Lord help us all.

americaslaststand on May 17, 2007 at 2:45 PM

I wrote letters before the last election, it does no good, they will lie and tell you anything.

After my family faught and died to liberate Texas from the corruption of the Mexican culture, it is here full force. If the US does not implement a new tax structure these people will bring thier corruption and continue to steal from the real citizens that built this great country.

It is truly a sad day for my children and grandchildren, that a non-Texan that claims to be a Texan, gives away what my family faught so hard to build over the last 150 years.

mbell33 on May 17, 2007 at 2:46 PM

soulsirkus on May 17, 2007 at 2:42 PM

Bank of (Latin) America will loan it to them…

Romeo13 on May 17, 2007 at 2:47 PM

Someone tell the soldiers in Iraq and elsewhere to come home. Oh wait, they no longer have a home to come back to thanks to George Treason Bush.

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 2:49 PM

…Quite possibly my (sarc)favorite(\sarc) one:
SEC 922 of Title 18 will be amended to allow “nonimmigrants” (yep, that beats “illegal aliens” any day) to own firearms….

lan astaslem on May 17, 2007 at 2:42 PM

They have to make up the civilian armament “gap” up somehow. I wonder if they’ll be allowed to have full-auto weapons.

steveegg on May 17, 2007 at 2:50 PM

The only “homeland security” we’ve got now is our own guns.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Succinct, yet it says so much.

I’d swear, if space aliens landed in Washington D.C. and spent some time observing what’s going on there, they could be excused for conlcuding that Mexico had recently defeated the United States in a war and was proceeding with colonization of its conquered territory via its puppet government here.

It’s dismaying and disgusting in equal measure to watch the self-destruction of the Republican Party that’s gone on since 2004 and shows no signs of slowing down. I have no idea what they’re thinking in the Senate, but from this angle the consequences are readily forseeable:

1. Millions of illegal aliens will soon become “legal” – and eventually become “citizens” – for no other reason than a collapse of the Republican party’s political will on an issue that the majority of Americans would support them if they only had courage.

2. Few, very few of the new “voters” are going to be voting Republican, contrary to the apparent delusional thinking that must be going on in the minds of the Republican party’s leadership.

3. Anyone who thinks that this capitulation isn’t going to see a flood of untold millions more illegals in the next few years is a fool.

Ironically, George Bush’s legacy – and the Republican Party’s epitaph – was already perfectly expressed centuries ago by King Louis XIV of France:

“Aprés moi, le deluge.”

Spurius Ligustinus on May 17, 2007 at 2:52 PM

You tell me this isn’t a road to the North American Union….and that both parties are in on it!

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 2:52 PM

¿Donde esta Aire Caliente en espanol? ¡Ahorita, voy leer todas mis noticias en mi lengua nueva!

a4g on May 17, 2007 at 2:52 PM

My letter to Mitch McConnell…my Senior Senator and Minority Leader:

Sir,

I thought you had more sense than this. As Minority Leader I’m surprised that you didn’t do more to stop passage of this amnesty bill. If laws mean nothing in this country perhaps I should take up a career in bank robbery. Oh, but wait…I’m a white Christian so I have two strikes against me already.

There are many many people out there as outraged as I am about this. This isn’t just a criminal immigration issue…it is a national security issue. National Security will be the driving force for my vote over the next several cycles. I will not forget what you have done to my country and my Commonwealth by not working for the defeat of this bill. Any opposition to you will get my vote.

It’s been fun Mitch. I thought you were on our side. I guess I was wrong.

Pilgrim
Parts Unknown, KY

Pilgrim on May 17, 2007 at 2:52 PM

These idiots in DC are traitors.

Say good-bye to social security.
Sat good-bye to summer jobs for kids.
Say good-bye to the GOP
Say good-bye to affordable health-care
And say good-bye to our Grandchildren’s future.

I want to be a patriot. I want to vote against liberalism. You A$$-Holes give us no choice.

robman27 on May 17, 2007 at 2:53 PM

I truly believe Bush should be tried for Treason…it is not about being upset…It is about my country being sold out from underneath American Citizens.It is an abomination and an OUTRAGE! !!!

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 2:55 PM

George Bush WILL go down in history as the WORST President ever, as both Democrats and Republicans will claim it now.

Thank you Jorge for single-handedly destroying the Republican Party… may it rest in peace.

stenwin77 on May 17, 2007 at 2:55 PM

“Tough border security and workplace enforcement measures would go into place before the temporary worker program…”

Define ‘tough’.

Kevin M on May 17, 2007 at 2:57 PM

Dam, wish I was a 61 year old Hispanic… I’d be running for the border… because next year they’d be eligable for Social Security…

This is gonna cost us… could very well bankrupt the Social Security system.

Romeo13 on May 17, 2007 at 2:58 PM

I tried to call the White House comments line (202-456-1111), and finally got through. I hope my made my point when I referred to the President as Bendict Arnold, and Marie Antoinnet.

It took forever, though, as I called several times and got a busy signal, then when I finally got through, I waited about 20 minutes, to get an operator.

Sounds like they’re busy. Be sure to give ‘em a ring.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 2:58 PM

The architect of this bill, a “man” who left a woman to die in a submerged car and swam back to his hotel to sleep!!! Hey, is anyone suprised at his latest OUTRAGE!
KILLER KENEDY…His brothers are rolling somersaults in their graves….Is it not ironic that the biggest loser of the trio lived the longest…long enough to destroy America?

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 2:58 PM

I still don’t think the rebubs get it and it may take a total house cleaning to get the message across…I’m prepared to do that with this news.

b4itsover on May 17, 2007 at 2:27 PM

I agree. Other then the Supreme Court nominations I can’t find any reason we would be worse off had George Bush not won the election in ’04. Record spending, pro affirmative action, pro illegal immigration, walking lockstep with environmental wackos, JFK’s tax cuts were larger, national security is a joke, criminal behavior by the Dems has absolutely no consequence while Republicans get hammered (Jefferson, Berger vs Libby etc), and I can go on and on about how the Republican party has become absolutely no different from the Dems. Illegal immigration is the most prominent similarity though and it is by far the most disasterous. Had Kerry won the election he would be getting killed right now politically. The Republicans would be frothing at the mouths to elect someone like Romney or Fred! or Newt who actually is a true Republican on the issues and would be set to kill the Democrat nominee. Instead, following all the same crap that the Dems would have given us over the past 4 years all we get in return is a Hillary Clinton presidency and the Republican party in shambles.

Zetterson on May 17, 2007 at 3:00 PM

I’ve just change my party affiliation to Independent at the registrars office.
Screw the Republicans.

Pulchritudinous Patriot on May 17, 2007 at 3:03 PM

Yes, but see, then we’d be called racists, and White Supremacists.

amerpundit on May 17, 2007 at 2:59 PM

We already are.

PRCalDude on May 17, 2007 at 3:03 PM

>could very well bankrupt the Social Security system.

Ah, so there is a bright spot in all this!

Except that they’d just take from somewhere else, raise taxes, etc., instead of eliminating Socialist Security…

So, everything still sucks.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:06 PM

Those of you who are stampeding to the Independents or talking about moving to the backwoods with a pile of canned food and a heap o’ ammo really make me laugh.

You have no clue which country you live in.

Primary voters, grass-roots party activists, and political donors of even modest amounts get all the attention from pols. If you really want change, go cool off, put on something that looks vaguely like golf attire, and go volunteer at your local GOP campaign headquarters. And then start making your views known.

I appreciate the fact that folks need to vent anger. But saying “the heck with the GOP” is to join Ross Perot and Ralph Nader in the list of the politically pure and practically useless.

Anton on May 17, 2007 at 3:06 PM

Watch Lou Dobbs tonight–He’ll be frothing at the mouth…as am I!

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 3:07 PM

Thank you Jorge for single-handedly destroying the Republican Party… may it rest in peace.

stenwin77 on May 17, 2007 at 2:55 PM

Agreed. “His compassionate conservatism” is is a euphemism for

1. Uncontrolled spending
2. Legalizing Illegals
3. Death of personal responsibility
4. Irrational desire to embrace the people who hate him and will NEVER support him in anything.
4. etc, etc

jman on May 17, 2007 at 3:08 PM

I appreciate the fact that folks need to vent anger. But saying “the heck with the GOP” is to join Ross Perot and Ralph Nader in the list of the politically pure and practically useless.

Practically useless? That sums up the modern GOP.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 3:09 PM

Hey… anyone wanna help start a Diploma factory down in Mexico?

Romeo13 on May 17, 2007 at 1:22 PM

I’m driving from Phoenix (read Occupied territory now) to Rocky Point, Mexico for a concert this weekend. I’ll keep an eye out for good bar er factory. Of course as a gringo I’ll no ownership rights.

One interesting thing I read while preparing for my trip stated it was illegal for foreigners to partcipate in any type political rally. I guess I just can’t demand rights there. If you do…..jail and deportation.

VikingGoneWild on May 17, 2007 at 3:09 PM

The part I saw on Cspan I heard Feinstein say they put the Dream Act in there…anyone confirm that? yeah , the American Dream for Mexicans..Screw Americans! (Except let them pay for it!)

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 3:09 PM

I dare someone to start up an Impeach Bush poll now and get it published here at Hot Air.

Time for me to dig out my Washington phone numbers and hit the MIGOP blogs.

DannoJyd on May 17, 2007 at 3:11 PM

So, Anton, how many decades are we supposed to wait for all that to work? The more we work at it, the further the Republican Party moves to the left. Every year we hear the same thing. “Don’t give up on the Party!” Well, there’s nothing left in the Republican Party that is worth supporting. Nothing conservative or strong or decent or honest.

Choosing between Republicans and Democrats is like choosing between a punch in the gut or a kick in the head. One might suck slightly worse than the other, but they both really, really, really, really suck. At a certain level of suckiness, it doesn’t really matter which sucks more. Neither is tolerable.

Doghouse on May 17, 2007 at 3:11 PM

This honestly breaks my heart. What happened to our country today? The not so United States of Norte America

doginblack on May 17, 2007 at 3:11 PM

Just called the Republican Headquarters and asked how to change my party affiliation. The guy on the other end was so nice. He told me how to do that, then asked if it was over the immigration reform.

I said “you mean the amnesty bill”. He said he is so upset over all of this he’s going to change too and that he can’t even eat because it has made him physically ill.

Then he said that if millions of disgusted Republicans would do the same, they just might listen !!!

stenwin77 on May 17, 2007 at 3:13 PM

My Senators from GA appear ready to actually vote against it when it comes up for a vote.

LakeRuins on May 17, 2007 at 3:13 PM

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