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Audio: Teach your children well war, says Fred

posted at 7:18 pm on May 17, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Apologies for the comment glitch we’re experiencing at the moment. Our webwizards are on the case but I don’t know when it’ll be resolved. In the meantime, kindly enjoy this latest communique from Fred, in which he urges universities to start teaching military history so that future generations might more efficiently smash the enemies of civilization on a rock. We all know how the comments go on Fred threads so we shouldn’t lose much.

Exit question one: Do we really want our Marxist professoriate “interpreting” western warfare for fragile young minds? Exit question two: If VDH is, as Fred claims, one of his favorite historians, how come he can’t spell his name? (Both questions are rhetorical, of course, due to the glitch.)


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Exit question one: Do we really want our Marxist professoriate “interpreting” western warfare for fragile young minds?

No. Of course, there’s good news and bad news. The good news is that the Marxist professoriate will likely be replaced within a generation. The bad is they’ll be replaced by the Islamist professoriate.

Exit question two: If VDH is, as Fred claims, one of his favorite historians, how come he can’t spell his name?

I’ll wager that whoever transcribed the audio (probably some abcradio.com web geek) used spell-check to go over this. It won’t catch the fact that VDH’s last name is not “Hansen”.

steveegg on May 17, 2007 at 9:23 PM

Moonbat Professors teaching Sun Tzu’s “Art of War”
Yeah, When Pigs Fly

abinitioadinfinitum on May 17, 2007 at 9:35 PM

Any local Moonbat will tell you that war is wrong, period…under any circumstances. Start believing them and we will all be working for someone like Chavas in the very near future. Moonbats flourish everywhere. Here they are called the Syracuse “Peace Council.” Staffed by professional cowards, some going back 30 or more years. They are enough to make you vomit. I don’t certaintly advocate teaching your children war but you should for sure teach your children about war, when to go to, and how to fight same; to win at any and all costs.

NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on May 17, 2007 at 9:47 PM

Best to leave military history out of the universities or we may run the risk of agenda driven “professors” painting our founding fathers as terrorists.

But I imagine some already do just that.

mojowire on May 17, 2007 at 9:47 PM

Well, you can wait for professors to do it, or you can read it yourself for free. Upon reading it, you might come away thinking that no one in the Bush administration has a copy.

That online archive has been known to keep me busy for hours.

Krydor on May 17, 2007 at 9:52 PM

It would be nice if they taught history without the revisionism.

wherestherum on May 17, 2007 at 9:57 PM

We have good military academies for this kind of study.

But I think Fred is trying to echo this thought from John Adams

I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.
John Adams
US diplomat & politician (1735 – 1826)

William Amos on May 17, 2007 at 9:59 PM

Moonbat Professors teaching Sun Tzu’s “Art of War”

There’s a very simple way to handle it. Invite the NG to bring in lecturers to teach the class. That’s what we did back in the 80s. I took Strategy, Tactics, and Simulation from Cpt. Flanagan even though I wasn’t really a ROTC cadet. Technically, I was one for the semester; they let you take one class without having to put on a uniform, do PT at the butt-crack of dawn, or anything like that.

I learned a lot about the differences between free men who volunteer, and are well trained, vs. conscripts. For example, every single US soldier knows how to read maps. In the Red Army, you’d only expect the platoon commander to have that skill. You could tell his tank by the fact that it has two antennae (one for talking to the other tanks in his platoon and the other for up the chain of command). So everybody in the US Harmy knew that if they could disable that tank, the remainder of the platoon was ineffective. That sort of knowledge is a big force multiplier for our side.

Every base had the Dunn-Kempf simulation system, and buck privates played it just like brigade commanders did. Our entire system is based on teaching sound principles to the entire military, so that when the reality on the ground doesn’t match with what the planners back at HQ were thinking, we can improvise.

I saw a quote from one of the old Russian generals that this was what drove them nuts. We would do war games with a scout team playing by OPFOR doctrine, and get experience against it. They couldn’t do that, because near as the general could tell, we didn’t have any coherent doctrine to practice against.

The Monster on May 17, 2007 at 10:05 PM

Hanson spelled correctly the first time, and then not, at least twice later…their “contact us” doesn’t work.

Entelechy on May 17, 2007 at 10:08 PM

Fred,

Gettysburg was 3 days! Well, then again, the 3rd (Pickets Charge) was so one sided I guess that didn’t count!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on May 17, 2007 at 10:08 PM

Exit question one: Do we really want our Marxist professoriate “interpreting” western warfare for fragile young minds?

That would make as much sense as allowing Rosie O fat lesbian bat to teach metallurgy.

Exit question two: If VDH is, as Fred claims, one of his favorite historians, how come he can’t spell his name?

Well, I’m not sure he wrote this, but the better question is….has ¿fred? run out of his own stories and now he has to latch onto others well made points? This guy is looking more like a BS artist the more he opens his mouth.

csdeven on May 17, 2007 at 10:51 PM

I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.
John Adams
US diplomat & politician (1735 – 1826)

William Amos on May 17, 2007 at 9:59 PM

Wonderful concept, that’s kind of the history of the USA in a nutshell. But tell me what are these children of painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain doing today?

It’s almost a communist splinter of “mankind will naturally evolve into a better human being” train of thought. It was a popular ideology in John Adams’ time so I can’t blame him.

Complacency is a reward, not a virtue.

Coronagold on May 17, 2007 at 11:22 PM

Well, I’m not sure he wrote this, but the better question is….has ¿fred? run out of his own stories and now he has to latch onto others well made points? This guy is looking more like a BS artist the more he opens his mouth.

csdeven on May 17, 2007 at 10:51 PM

Your antagonism towards Fred! is bordering on the pathological.
What gives?
Did he beat you up and steal your lunch money?

billy on May 17, 2007 at 11:31 PM

billy on May 17, 2007 at 11:31 PM

The ¿fred? groupies fawning over a non-candidate, ignoring all his apparent weaknesses, and then shallowly attacking a person who points them out is worse than pathological. It’s hilarious!

Lighten up dude. I didn’t attack you personally.

csdeven on May 17, 2007 at 11:47 PM

Lighten up dude. I didn’t attack you personally.

csdeven on May 17, 2007 at 11:47 PM

I’m just tweaking you.
I’m not on the Fred! bandwagon but I’m getting closer so I am really curious as to why you seem so adamantly against him.

billy on May 17, 2007 at 11:57 PM

We’re officially one day closer to Fred being not being a non candidate any longer.

Buzzy on May 18, 2007 at 12:06 AM

If the public schools start teaching military history, we can add that to the loooong list of topics our young graduates know nothing about.

RedCrow on May 18, 2007 at 12:13 AM

Vouchers, folks, vouchers.

RedCrow on May 18, 2007 at 12:14 AM

Vouchers, folks, vouchers.

RedCrow on May 18, 2007 at 12:14 AM

As a public school teacher I couldn’t agree more.

I’m out in the cold so far this campaign season. I like both Newt and Fread and neither are running (yet). Huckabee has my interest too now. I think he would be the real deal as well. The Huckster is a guy from very humble beginnings who worked his way up to gov of Arkansas.

Mojave Mark on May 18, 2007 at 1:27 AM

billy on May 17, 2007 at 11:57 PM

Okay. I been fending off these rants for so long I am seeing them everywhere I look. :-)

I am mostly benign on ¿fred? because he is not a candidate. My groupies remarks are rib jabs at my fred fanatic buds.

I get serious when I mention his history that is decidedly anti-conservative in many areas. I will expect him, and his supporters to defend his stances if he ever decides to get in.

Hope that clears it up.

csdeven on May 18, 2007 at 1:38 AM

Last week my 16 year old daughters high school history teacher asked for VET volunteers to come in and lecture about the Military experience, and the Cold War… as they had moved into modern history…

I gave 4 lectures… very well recieved…

There are good teachers out there… though they are few and far between.

Romeo13 on May 18, 2007 at 2:09 AM

csdeven, but now I can’t “rib jab” you, and that wouldn’t be fun :)

Entelechy on May 18, 2007 at 2:09 AM

Testing, testing. Is this thing on?

Fred! will have to answer up on how the Fairness Doctrine/Equal Time concepts are more of an egregious limitation on speech than McCain/Feingold. They are siblings at best.

There are appropriate ways to monitor campaign donations without squashing legal political speech, without violating the First Amendment. McCain/Feingold isn’t it. Fred! is right to oppose the Fairness Doctrine, but bringing up a topic close to one of his (few) Senatorial errors exposes a vulnerability.

He’ll still be our next President.

Freelancer on May 18, 2007 at 5:05 AM

I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.
John Adams
US diplomat & politician (1735 – 1826)

William Amos on May 17, 2007 at 9:59 PM

Wonderful concept, that’s kind of the history of the USA in a nutshell. But tell me what are these children of painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain doing today?

It’s almost a communist splinter of “mankind will naturally evolve into a better human being” train of thought. It was a popular ideology in John Adams’ time so I can’t blame him.

Complacency is a reward, not a virtue.

Coronagold on May 17, 2007 at 11:22 PM

Lol, it’s actually the “mankind will evolve into a moonbat” train of thought. Which is where we are today and that’s why the cycle needs to restart. It’s like all life, there is no start and finish, it’s a cycle. The libs are convinced that pottery and painting are the answer to the world’s problems.

The jihadi’s however have never emerged from the warfare part of the cycle. They’re kind of stuck in pre-wash, if one can use a washing machine analogy. The moonbats are stuck in rinse.

Aylios on May 18, 2007 at 5:28 AM

In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.

II. Waging War, subsection 19. The Art of War, By Sun Tzu

Alden Pyle on May 18, 2007 at 9:42 AM

csdeven, but now I can’t “rib jab” you, and that wouldn’t be fun :)
Entelechy on May 18, 2007 at 2:09 AM

Well, I have a big mouth and I’m sure I will be saying something that will give you plenty of opportunity to jab me in the ribs. lol

csdeven on May 18, 2007 at 9:50 AM

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