If it takes a Democrat in office to convince the party that perhaps more RINOs isn’t the answer, then so be it.
Hollowpoint on May 16, 2007 at 5:54 PM

Well if you lived through Perot as you claim you didn’t learn a damn thing. “Punishing the party” for Bush’s failures is what got us 8 years of Clinton, the AWB, Robert Maplethorpe, the total denegration for the office of president, a desimated intel community and military, the expansion of terrorism and the freedom for OBL to attack us on 9/11, and now the threat of Hillary as the president. Why don’t you really teach us all a lesson and vote democrat in the next election? Boy oh boy, that’ll REALLY show us and we’ll suffer through 4 years of Hillary just so those with your attitude could have the pleasure of cutting off their nose to spite their face because they can’t see the real threat to our national security.

What’s even worse than those who blindly vote for the R in the general election, are those who refuse to vote for the candidate in the primary who actually fit the conservative label. You have the ability to give yourself a real conservative, but instead you vote for a closet liberal to represent your party?

THIS ISN’T THE GENERAL ELECTION PEOPLE! It’s the PRIMARY. You CHOOSE who you want to represent your party, so all this nonsense about voting for Giuliani in the primary so we won’t get Billary is about as stupid as it gets.

Gregor on May 16, 2007 at 6:21 PM

So voting blindly for a Republican during a time of war and chaos is stupid? Hmmm….

Hollowpoint on May 16, 2007 at 5:54 PM

I second that!

What’s even worse than those who blindly vote for the R in the general election, are those who refuse to vote for the candidate in the primary who actually fit the conservative label. You have the ability to give yourself a real conservative, but instead you vote for a closet liberal to represent your party?

THIS ISN’T THE GENERAL ELECTION PEOPLE! It’s the PRIMARY. You CHOOSE who you want to represent your party, so all this nonsense about voting for Giuliani in the primary so we won’t get Billary is about as stupid as it gets.

ANY republican is better than ANY democrat ANY DAY. The people that want to stay home because their guy didn’t get the nomination obviously did not live through Ross Perot.

Nonsense. I voted in that election, and had Perot pegged as the nutcase he was.

Those who mindlessly vote on party lines without evaluating the merits of the actual candidate are one of the greatest drawbacks of the two-party system and reasons for the problems the party is having now. I voted for “moderates” like Dole, HW Bush and GW Bush in the past… but after the horrible performance the Republicans have given as of late, they don’t deserve a mindless party-line vote without a candidate demonstrably worth voting for.

RINO Rudy, Maverick McCain, and Flip-Flop Mitt, in my opinion as a conservative, simply aren’t worth voting for. If it takes a Democrat in office to convince the party that perhaps more RINOs isn’t the answer, then so be it. Just don’t expect me to vote for someone who’ve governed in a way that suggests that they just as easily have a (D) next to their name.

Our foriegn policy caused 9-11. Might as well say the bible caused it. Or a lack of leafblowers for sale at Home Depot caused it. Maybe it was because the Saudis live in a desert, and we were hogging all the ice cream. It could be because Primus had an album named “Pork Soda.”

Funny. I thought it was jihadis flying planes into our buildings that caused it.

Why should any of us even care why they did it? Any group that would commit that kind of murder is the enemy. Their motive has no relevance after such a level has been reached. They do not deserve any further consideration on any front after that event.

It should have been a clarifying moment. It should have defined who the bad guys are. Thanks for clouding the issue Ron. You’ve sucessfully redefined the word “dope” for me.

I don’t think anyone is going to suddenly announce that all of the victims of beheadings done in the name of islam were self inflicted. But it would make about as much sense as Ron’s position on this.

Look! There is a headless body lying over there. The poor guy must have accidentally sawed his own head off. Natch!

Enough said.

DwnSth et al: I know all about single issue voting. I am a single issue voter and only care about the most dedicated, meanest candidate who will wage unreeting war on jihadism. Rudy and Fred are the ones who get that.

Almost all of the candidates get that. What else ya got?

“The really amazing thing about the Ron Paul Organization is that they were able to get his core Libertarian supporters to put down their bongs long enough to skew the polls.”

To which I added: Plus every liberal, anti-war nutcase Dem. voted for him, based only on his cut and run strategy, ..(little realizing that Paul’s core Constitutionalist beliefs are antithetical to what they want in government).

This is gonna be another pitched internal battle in our ranks. Frankly your answer strikes me as insane, but I’ll try my best to keep an open mind. I don’t care who gets nominated, the republican ticket will get my vote.

Then I’m afraid you’re part of the problem with regards to the downfall of the Republican party, not the solution.

Just how far to we let the party slide to the left on spending, growth of government, immigration, increased regulations, more gun laws, more entitlement programs, etc, etc, etc, before we draw a line in the sand and say “ENOUGH!” to the likes of NRCC chair Cole, who wants to move the party to appeal more to “moderates”?. Are you willing to sit by and watch the Republican party slowly morph into a center left party, with the Democrats similarly shifting further left?

If the loss of both houses of Congress after the abysmal performance of Republican Congressmen and President Bush wasn’t a wakeup call, I shudder to think what it would take.

RINO Rudy, “Maverick” McCain and Flip-Flop Mitt should’ve all been thrown under the bus by now. The Democrats have given us a gift in making weak candidates like Hillary, Obama and Edwards their frontrunners. There’s absolutely no reason at all a conservative can’t win this race, but no reason to believe they derserve to win if they continue to abandon the principles the Republican party is supposed to stand for.

There’s a lot more moonbats registered on this site than you might think.

At last (visible) count, isn’t it around two with honora being gone? :)

I’m not a single-issue voter, but I have four deal-breaker issues. Rudy has three strikes out of those four issues: abortion, gun control, and immigration. And I’m not assuaged in the least by lame assurances that he’ll come through on a SCOTUS nomination.

This are moonbats Ian.

If there is a way to restrict the vote to just registered members of this site …

William Amos on May 16, 2007 at 4:05 PM

There’s a lot more moonbats registered on this site than you might think.

The scary part, though, is when Paul drops out those people who voted for him are still voters.

This are moonbats Ian. There are threads in the DU talking about how to drive up Paul’s numbers.

If there is a way to restrict the vote to just registered members of this site (Having us sign in to vote) maybe the way to go.

(Why is Townhall.com so much more conservative than HotAir?)

I am a single issue voter and only care about the most dedicated, meanest candidate who will wage unreeting war on jihadism. Rudy and Fred are the ones who get that.

libertarianuberalles on May 16, 2007 at 3:41 PM

Huh? Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo don’t get that? Are you even paying attention?

I like the Fair Tax, and am fine with a social coservative as long he’s in favor of smaler government. In a different election I could support most of these candidates, despite our differences on some issues. This is not a normal election – even with Shrillary in office the war of jihadism will be stymied by bureaucrats and congressional majority staffers, not to mention the horror of surrender and defeatism of an Edwards/Gore/Obama presidency. This horror will extend far beyond the war to EVERY issue. R vs. D matters because of who they hire – Young Democrats, ACLU, NARAL, etc interns or YAF, NRA, CR interns. That’s an amazingly critical difference, no matter how supposedly small the difference between Shrillary and Rudy.

The NYT HATES, HATES, HATES Rudy and looooves the Shrilldebeast. Rudy really is a social conservative except for 3 issues. I know you’d like a better candidate on your issues but you haven’t come up wth one who has a serious chance or big enough profile. Brownback is amost Paulian in his foreign policy, McCain can’t be trusted, Gilmore’s a nut, and 1 Ark Gov is too many! Rudy wants Alito just as much as you do, but for different reasons. Why argue with it, since you achieve your ends? He’s not great on 2nd either, but his appointees and staffers will be. Let’s win the war, then we can worry about domestic issues.

I have to say that Fred is growing on me, especially his HaMaus comments.

It’s obvious that Ron Paul supporters are sending people over to skew the poll in favor of their candidate. Charles at Little Green Footballs is having the same problem and has decided to remove Ron Paul from his current poll and future polls.

It’s as if the “Vote for the Worst” people got involved.