Due the math for the 20-50 million already here and tell me how this benefits the USA.

Our Political Leaders are traitors to this country and have created Tyranny for the first time in history since the Boston Tea Party.

Maybe we all should refuse to file our tax returns and see how the Politicos like it. They could not possibly prosecute the lawful citizens if we all got together and said screw you.

For those of you thinking of voting for Rudy Guiliani, Turns out Giuliani is profiting from Illegal Immigration with the NAFTA superhighway and is a CFR member in drag ready willing and able to sell our America for a North American Union.

Now we know why he was flip flopping on Illegal Immigration in the debates and press interviews.

Giuliani Linked to “NAFTA Superhighway”

http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/north_american_union/giuliani_linked_to_%22nafta_superhighway%22_2007051459/

NAFTA Superhighway has Giuliani as key player
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/grassi/070504

” At the center of negotiations for multiple legs of the Superhighway Corridor throughout Texas, is none other than Rudolph Giuliani’s law firm which landed the Comprehensive Development Agreement for a widening of Interstate-35, now referred to as the TTC-35, in addition to the Master Development Plans for State Highways 121 and 130 among other legs of the TTC. All negotiations for Cintra were and are presently handled by the law firm, Bracewell & Giuliani, LLP, of which Republican Presidential candidate, Rudolph Giuliani, has been a senior executive partner since March 2005. His law firm is the exclusive legal counsel for Cintra. Bracewell & Giuliani is comprised of 400 attorneys, based in Houston, TX with offices in New York City, Washington, D.C., London and Kazakhstan.

“Most interesting to the whole story is not only has Mr. Giuliani’s involvement in the NAFTA Superhighway not ever having been publicly addressed, but how a foreign company is awarded the building of a mass highway system, versus maintaining it, for the first time in U.S. history, and negotiated by the law firm of the top Republican candidate running for President of the United States. And truly disturbing is how such will not only have national and homeland security and sovereignty implications but how it is deliberately being kept away from the Halls of Congress.”

“Giuliani fancies himself as an expert on homeland security issues and a law enforcer. And he has amassed quite the portfolio since 2002, earning $20 million in that year alone, by selling himself as such. He owns Giuliani Partners, Giuliani Safety & Security and Giuliani Capital Advisors. In March 2007 he sold Giuliani Capital Advisors, a former Ernst & Young finance company he purchased in 2002, to Macquerie Infrastructure Consortium. Not coincidentally, it is a partner of Cintra’s in its shared operations of toll roads in both Indiana and Chicago, IL.”

Looking through your links, Tommy1, the point of them is that Hispanics have considerably fewer problems that blacks.

That is cold comfort. Blacks represent 15% of the nations population but commit 50% of all murders. Hispanics have three times the incarceration rate for murder that non-Hispanic whites do.

No one is denying that the Hispanic illegal immigrants are poor, and consequently we would expect a higher crime rate just based on human nature.

The problem isn’t so much with Hispanic illegals, it is with their children, their grandchildren and their great-grandchildren.

I am more impressed with Hispanics after reading your links than I was before.

Frightening.

Unless I am misreading the chart, it looks like they are doing quite well. I am also extremely suspicious of racial categorization of Hispanics after more than 1 generatation. The ones that will do well do so because they blend in to the majority culture, and probably no longer consider themselves part of a isolated subgroup. So people who report themselves as Nth generation Hispanics have a disproportionate number a self-selected people who choose to isolate themselves culturally. A clearly distinct racial category like black is different (although it is un-pc to say that).

You are definitely misreading the charts. Go back and read them more carefully. Less than 10% of fourth generation Mexicans have a post-high-school education. 40% of fourth generation Mexican Americans drop out from high school. This study does not apply to all Hispanics, only Mexican Americans. The far right of the column represents the stats for whites, blacks, Asians, and non-Mexican Hispanics (Cubans and others). If whites alone were compared to fourth generation Hispanics, the differences would be even more clear.

Conservatives are going to have to be very careful what kind of conservatism they want to stick with as the core of the Republican party if they want to hold onto it.

Yeah, the conservatism they will have to abandon will be conservatism itself. Hispanics haven’t made California any less liberal, that is for sure.

As more people realize that there retirement money is tied up in SP 500 companies that earn as much money overseas as they do here will increasingly be less interested in protectionism as well. We were right to boot Buchanan in 2000.

Free trade with China is resulting in record deficits, but that is another issue for another day. Hispanics don’t generate enough tax money to save anything. They are heavy users of welfare and other government handouts to boot.

Can we come up with a good strategy, an effective strategy to protest? This is a smart group of people, help the less savvy of us figure out a plan so we can work it together.

I always have wondered why America isn’t mentioned in the Bible. I guess I know why now. We won’t be here much longer as “America”.

Would the last American please turn out the lights.

How about pro-crime (1, 2, and 3), pro-dropout, pro-illegitimacy, and pro-welfare (1 and 2)?

Looking through your links, Tommy1, the point of them is that Hispanics have considerably fewer problems that blacks. Much more than whites, but then again those articles for the most part did not adjust for poverty. No one is denying that the Hispanic illegal immigrants are poor, and consequently we would expect a higher crime rate just based on human nature. The fact that those people who are now living in a foreign land speaking a second-class (here) language, and still have a lower crime rate than blacks, who have been benefiting from affirmative action for decades, speaks volumes for them. I am more impressed with Hispanics after reading your links than I was before.

Hispanics are not reaching white norms of education and economic achievement even four generations into American life and there is no evidence that things will get better in later generations.

Unless I am misreading the chart, it looks like they are doing quite well. I am also extremely suspicious of racial categorization of Hispanics after more than 1 generatation. The ones that will do well do so because they blend in to the majority culture, and probably no longer consider themselves part of a isolated subgroup. So people who report themselves as Nth generation Hispanics have a disproportionate number a self-selected people who choose to isolate themselves culturally. A clearly distinct racial category like black is different (although it is un-pc to say that).

You are certainly right about the Republicans being very different from today’s batch. Soon, they won’t be very conservative at all. The Mexipublicans will have to shift increasingly leftward to appeal to Hispanic voters.

Conservatives are going to have to be very careful what kind of conservatism they want to stick with as the core of the Republican party if they want to hold onto it. An anti-immigrant policy is a clear loser. As more people realize that there retirement money is tied up in SP 500 companies that earn as much money overseas as they do here will increasingly be less interested in protectionism as well. We were right to boot Buchanan in 2000.

Your point, nukemhill, to extent that you actually have one, is a stupidly simplistic misrepresentation. So you are not worth bothering with until you have something substantive to say.

FTFY. Moron.

Hmm. Nice counter. I’m duly impressed. Way to make friends.

Got anymore where that came from? I’m sure you do….

Maybe now that amnesty will- again- become the law of the land, Bush can get on with his big government spending program like, say, Prescription Drugs for Barnyard Animals. After all, animals get sick too, and the government simply has to step in when someone is hurting.

Permanent minority status. Maybe the GOP should roll that statement around for a little while. How does another 40 years sound?

The Republican party 10 years from now will be a very different thing than it is now if is going to survive, which I think it will. Holding back the tide is not a successful policy, and the professional politicians understand that. In any case, I’m fine with the idea of the Party of Lincoln being both pro-life and pro-immigrant.

How about pro-crime (1, 2, and 3), pro-dropout, pro-illegitimacy, and pro-welfare (1 and 2)?

All the babies in the world won’t matter if the net effect of having more Hispanics is to place a heavier burden on the government services that increased birthrates are supposed to save. How are a bunch of people who are extremely poorly educated generation after generation going to contribute much to the tax base even as they utilize government programs disproportionately generation after generation? Unlike the descendants of European immigrants who largely moved into the middle class within two or three generations, Hispanics are not reaching white norms of education and economic achievement even four generations into American life and there is no evidence that things will get better in later generations. How about all those millions of elderly Hispanics who will be entitled under immigration law to come over to America and start drawing from social security and other government programs they’ve never paid a dime into?

If the traitors on Capitol Hill have their way, the United States will soon be history as we knew it. Better learn Spanish. You are certainly right about the Republicans being very different from today’s batch. Soon, they won’t be very conservative at all. The Mexipublicans will have to shift increasingly leftward to appeal to Hispanic voters.

Dean Honorable Senator …,

Thank you,
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“That development may portend a nation split between an older, whiter electorate and a younger overall population that is more Hispanic, black and Asian and that presses sometimes competing agendas and priorities.”

Basically whites aren’t making babies, and native born minorities aren’t making enough so “More than 20 percent of children in the United States either are foreign-born or have a parent who was born abroad.”

The Republican party 10 years from now will be a very different thing than it is now if is going to survive, which I think it will. Holding back the tide is not a successful policy, and the professional politicians understand that. In any case, I’m fine with the idea of the Party of Lincoln being both pro-life and pro-immigrant.

There’s no box left for me to check. I don’t like ANY of the alternatives.

I feel like a coppertop in the Matrix. Bred as a cash engine to support floods of uneducated voters who will ensure that as much cash as possible gets extracted from me over the course of my life.

Cash I earned through hard work, perserverance, and determination. To be handed to someone with a much smaller and less useful skillset, to support him, his wife, and an ever-growing brood of new mouths to feed, clothe, and keep healthy.

So much for MY American Dream of earned sustainable financial independence through a lifetime’s dilligence. Used to be you had to work for it. Now you just have to cross a border. This is just a friggin’ outrage.

The republicans are less than useless. I’m officially an Independent. Not that that advances my position one friggin’ iota.

If someone were to hold a protest march about this issue, I’d make time to show up. I’m all for legal immigration, but what’s happening now is short-sighted maddness, for nothing more than political gain.

On a side note, in my neck of the woods in a town named Farmers Branch, Texas, if you haven’t already heard. A proposal to make it illegal to rent houses or apartments to illegal aliens passed by a two to one margin. The will of the People is clear.

The Will of the People is being usurped.

…in favor of non-citizen lawbreakers waving Mexican flags.

I guess the Republican Mexipublican Party is completely suicidal. Their strategy seems to be: let a lot of people who will vote overwhelmingly Democratic into the country and alienate solidly conservative voters at the same time.

Still think the North American Union is a figment of peoples imagination???? NOT!!!

By Krissah Williams and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, May 16, 2007; A04

When Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) declared last week that unnamed “stakeholders” would decide whether Congress overhauls immigration law this year, Latino organizations in Washington understood exactly what he meant.

After laboring in obscurity for decades, groups such as the National Council of La Raza, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and the National Immigration Forum are virtually being granted veto power over perhaps the biggest domestic issue coming before Congress this year. Organizations that represent what is now the nation’s largest minority group are beginning to achieve power commensurate with their numbers.

“There’s a real sense that the Latino community is key to the solution in this debate, so now they are reaching out to us more than ever,” said Eric Gutierrez, lead lobbyist for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, or MALDEF. “Neither party wants to make a misstep politically.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051502022.html