Report: Senate Republicans sign off on amnesty

posted at 7:01 pm on May 16, 2007 by Allahpundit

Elections have consequences.

Senate Repubicans [sic] met today and it appears that the majority of them are willing to sign on to a White House-Kennedy “comprehensive” reform. Some have convinced themselves that the measure represents a good trade, i.e. amnesty for 12 million (which they privately acknowledge is the case) in exchange for beefed up enforcement including a worker verification system (assuming government can effectively design one with Democrats refusing to agree to data-sharing among relevant agencies), and an end to chain migration at some point in the future, i.e. when big backlog on extended family members waiting for green cards is cleared up.

Captain Ed puts some lipstick on the pig, arguing that the “points system” for citizenship and the requirement that certain border enforcement and work-status verification improvements take place before the legalization provisions can take effect makes this a not-half-bad compromise for the GOP under the circumstances. As he says over at CQ:

It’s either a compromise structured along these lines, or no progress on border security for two years and a large gamble on retaking Congress and the White House in November 2008. This seems like a better deal.

Is that true, though? We’ve already got a de facto Democrat in the White House when it comes to this issue as well as enough GOP “moderates” currently in the Senate to break a filibuster. How much worse could a bill passed in 2009 with a 55-45 Democratic majority be than the one they want to pass now? I ask you.

It looks like they’re going ahead with the moronic “touchback” provision, too, which requires illegals who want their get out of jail free card, also known as the “Z visa,” to go back home, queue up at the embassy, and then come right on back in. They’ve been touting that idea for fully a year now and I still don’t understand what purpose it serves except as a symbolic gesture of (re-)entering the country lawfully.

Here you go. Your party. “Four pages of crap.”


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One word… PATHETIC

NeverSubmit on May 16, 2007 at 7:11 PM

I just sent the talking point crap to the John & Ken show, on KFI, Burbank. Those two have been to Washington over this, twice, and are talking their heads off over the topic.

Entelechy on May 16, 2007 at 7:13 PM

1986 redux. Cue the Santayana quote…

Freelancer on May 16, 2007 at 7:13 PM

Key example of how a party of politicans can completely not pay attenton to the voters who elected them

Defector01 on May 16, 2007 at 7:14 PM

Key here will be implementation and enforcment… two things which this administration has pretty much sucked at.

There is another issue as well… and could be a deal killer for me… if the Z visas are not going to start for 18 months, what happens to the FLOOD of illegals we’ll have during that 18 months?

Romeo13 on May 16, 2007 at 7:14 PM

Both my senators have already received pretty stern letters from me “asking” them not to go there.

My representative (who’s great on this issue) has also received one from me encouraging him to gum up the works on any house version of the bill to the maximum extent possible, with the goal of making a house-senate compromise impossible and preventing the passage of any bill.

I encourage others to do the same. The odds are not in our favor, but we still have at least a fighting chance if we express our displeasure (and the electoral consequences) if we do write. Those that don’t want to lift a finger or want to just give up now are just as guilty of caving as the Republican senators who are getting ready to bend over and grab their ankles.

In others words … DO SOMETHING!!

thirteen28 on May 16, 2007 at 7:16 PM

This bill is pure obfuscation with a little smoke and mirrors built in . . . nothing will change. We will simply continue to be overrun by illegal foreign nationals. For whom do those politicos work?

It’s a sad day for the Republic.

rplat on May 16, 2007 at 7:19 PM

But remember kids, according to NRCC chairman Cole what we need are more “moderates” in the Republican party to attract “independents”. Be sure to thank McCain for helping make this horrible, out-of-touch bill a reality. Also be sure to thank Rudy for making sure that cops in NYC can’t report illegals to the Feds.

Until they build the damn wall and get serious about immigration enforcement, I don’t even want to hear about what to do with the 12 million illegals in the country.

Hollowpoint on May 16, 2007 at 7:21 PM

I thought I’d seen it all on illegal immigration. Now, this – Santa Fe considering recruiting Mexican nationals to their force.

Entelechy on May 16, 2007 at 7:24 PM

Well, at least we will get to see how effective an administration is with single digit approval ratings….

rw on May 16, 2007 at 7:26 PM

The Tanc’s sounding better and better…

We are being taxed and our money is going to non-citizens. We are not being represented!

No Taxation Without Representation!

NTWR on May 16, 2007 at 7:35 PM

Elections have consequences.

This is the other thing that really gets me about this. Part of the reason the last election went the way it did was because there were far too many republicans who wanted to wuss out on border enforcement … so now there answer is to do it again, and maybe even worse????

The moniker of “the stupid party” really does fit the Republicans.

thirteen28 on May 16, 2007 at 7:40 PM

“nnnGAH!! AMERO! AMERO! TANCREDO! RON PAUL! 4 BILLION MURDERED BY ILLEGALS EVERY DAY!! TRANASCONTINENTAL HIGHWAY!!!…”

jummy on May 16, 2007 at 7:47 PM

My fav: Did anyone think Nancy believed in the Golden Rule?

petefrt on May 16, 2007 at 7:47 PM

The hell with them. I just phoned Sen. Lugar’s office to let them know if this goes through I will never vote again and they can send the cops to collect income tax. I’ll be damned if I’ll fund a government that represents Mexico.

MikeG on May 16, 2007 at 7:49 PM

So, those of you who voted for Bush based on principal–how’s that working out for you?

nukemhill on May 16, 2007 at 7:49 PM

“nnnGAH!! AMERO! AMERO! TANCREDO! RON PAUL! 4 BILLION MURDERED BY ILLEGALS EVERY DAY!! TRANASCONTINENTAL HIGHWAY!!!…”

Quite the contribution there…

mojowire on May 16, 2007 at 7:50 PM

This really pisses me off as I sit here and collect all my tax returns and and financial info for the last 5 years so I can prove means of support to get a Visa for my wife who currently lives in Colombia. It just chaps my hide that playing by the rules is much more difficult and time consuming than just walking over the border and saying f!*k your laws! I am giving serious thought to just picking up and moving to Colombia and saying the hell with this crumbling country of ours.

NeverSubmit on May 16, 2007 at 7:56 PM

So, those of you who voted for Bush based on principal–how’s that working out for you?

nukemhill on May 16, 2007 at 7:49 PM

Still a damn sight better than any of the alternatives, pretty much. Not that we’re happy. BTW, we’re talking about a senate vote here, so it’s not the choice of president that’s in play. But you just wanted to slam Bush, right?

TexasDan on May 16, 2007 at 8:01 PM

I just got this email today- facts reported by the LA Times:

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10 . In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ).

(All of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

For more info see Immigration counters.com

NTWR on May 16, 2007 at 8:01 PM

As someone who was been waiting on a L1 visa for the better part of 2 years, I suspect it’ll be faster to just claim I’m illegal, and get the z visa.

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on May 16, 2007 at 8:03 PM

So, those of you who voted for Bush based on principal–how’s that working out for you?

nukemhill on May 16, 2007 at 7:49 PM

It was Bush or Kerry, genius. There is Bad, and then there is Much Worse. Meanwhile, STFU

Janos Hunyadi on May 16, 2007 at 8:04 PM

COUNTRY CLUB REPUBLICANS CAN DISAPROVE ALL YOU WANT1 THE TRILLIONS OF ILLEGALS ROAMING FREE OVER THE WIDTH AND BREADTH OF YOUR NORTH AMERICAN UNION, BUILDING LANDING PADS FOR GALACTIC ILLEGALS PER THE ROTHSCHILDS’ INSTRUCTIONS ARE JUST CHEAP LABOR TO YOU. TO REGULAR PEOPLE LIKE US, IT’S FOUR QUADRILLION DRUNK DRIVING DEATHS EVERY TEN MINUTES AND SEVENTY THREE THOUDSAND TRILLION BILLIOB GOGOL DEAD WHILE CALLING 911 BECAUSE THEY HAD TO PRESS “ONE” FOR ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111!!!!!!!!1!1!!!1!!!!!oneoneone!!i

jummy on May 16, 2007 at 8:04 PM

jummy on May 16, 2007 at 8:04 PM

You’re cute.

Do you have something to add to the discussion or is it past your bedtime, young man?

JadeNYU on May 16, 2007 at 8:05 PM

Terrible, but any pandering for a vote

Wade on May 16, 2007 at 8:06 PM

i actually don’t think this development is altogether inconsequencial or benign. i just want to make sure this thread doesn’t develop into the avalanche of unhinged rage it could easily become.

jummy on May 16, 2007 at 8:07 PM

carry on. just don’t say anything the left would love to repeat every time someone tries to talk about the border.

jummy on May 16, 2007 at 8:09 PM

jummy on May 16, 2007 at 8:09 PM

Can you give us and admin a little credit, please? You’ve been making plenty of foaming at the mouth comments around here yourself.

PRCalDude on May 16, 2007 at 8:22 PM

I haven’t looked at the details yet, but it is hard not to be suspicious that this means 10-20 million new voters just in time for the 2008 elections.

If so, the Republicans are in the process of signing their own death warrant and relegating the party to permanent minority status. Does anyone else think that this qualifies for a “Darwin award” for terminal stupidity?

cool breeze on May 16, 2007 at 8:26 PM

Viva Mexifornia!

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 16, 2007 at 8:31 PM

Does anyone else think that this qualifies for a “Darwin award” for terminal stupidity?

cool breeze on May 16, 2007 at 8:26 PM

Tony Snow, defending this on Rush’s show today, says that most of the 12 million will “eventually go home” and don’t actually want to become citizens–they just want to work here rather than Mexico, etc

So there are only 3 – 5 million Future Citizenoids here, and the White House thinks that there is nothing else that can be done with them

Janos Hunyadi on May 16, 2007 at 8:33 PM

Well, looks like I won’t be supporting Republican grass measures for the next couple of years.

You aren’t going to represent me, I’m not going to help you.

P.S. I heard Tony Snow on Rush today and he is utterly pathetic. I wonder if he plans on going to the Priest to confess those BS lies he said in the interview?

Tim Burton on May 16, 2007 at 8:39 PM

If Los Angeles is any indicator, there will be a massive increase in the welfare state. The baby boomers have bankrupted their own Social Security benefits by hiring these people and encouraging them to come here. America is on the decline. Precipitously.

PRCalDude on May 16, 2007 at 8:45 PM

If so, the Republicans are in the process of signing their own death warrant and relegating the party to permanent minority status.

That’s what I was thinking. Amnesty is not popular with a majority of either party. The only people excited about it are the politicians and the illegals. Bad thing is, since we have a Republican President, and the Republicans are caving on this, they’re going to be seen by voters as being most to blame. It’s going to be a bloodbath. Dems may take some losses but not nearly what we will; 2006 in my mind was a smack at the GOP for being weak on principles and letting the dems push them around. This is nothing but middle finger extended by congress to the voter. Well, 2016 isn’t so far away. Sigh.

austinnelly on May 16, 2007 at 8:59 PM

So, those of you who voted for Bush based on principal–how’s that working out for you?

nukemhill on May 16, 2007 at 7:49 PM

The interest payment’s coming due, nukemhill.

RD on May 16, 2007 at 9:00 PM

Last year my hair was on fire over this “issue”…issue? issue?…. what this is is suicide by Republicans who wish their party commit suicide and also KILL the country at the same time. I just read an article about how during these negotiations Kennedy has the Mexican groups LULAC,LA RAZA etc by his side to yeah or nay whatever they consider…..So what the AMERICANS want does NOT count.!!!!..What does count is the group these traitors are courting….Makes me sick…I called my reps April 15th and told them if they pass an amnesty It will be the very last year that I EVER pay taxes and I mean it….everyone claim 11 dependants on your taxes…..just pretend yuo are a MEXICAN!!!

Mellen on May 16, 2007 at 9:05 PM

In 20 years we will have 100 million hispanics and china will be the worlds superpower. Until we get as radical as the left – show up and shout down McCain Bush Kennedy with cries of ‘NO AMNESTY’ for example – we will not see any success.

mlnicosia on May 16, 2007 at 9:05 PM

The republican party is dead. The country is soon to follow.

voiceofreason on May 16, 2007 at 9:07 PM

Hmm – so let’s play pretend.

So, these 12 million will soon be unemployed, with many type Z mouths to feed and boo-boos to fix. How many? 25 million?

I mean, we’ll now need 12 million more illegals to take their jobs, because they do it for less and off the record, and the companies pay less.

Of course we’ll get 15 million more illegals when they see how easy it is for amnesty.

What I find especially ironic, is the corporate stooges who benefit from illegal labor, will be the most penalized when millions of new voting Democrats are on the books to ensure the Dems stay in power.

As a bonus, this was spear-headed by a drunken murderer, who also just happened to conspire with commies against Americans.

Brilliant!

reaganaut on May 16, 2007 at 9:08 PM

At least the Reagan Democrats had a great option as to where to place their vote.

Where do Republicans go to vote after this nightmare passes?

Very few in the GOP represent the base.

Elections do have consequences. Do not place the mantle of leadership on a RINO again. Better to go through a period of Jimmy Carter years than to flush our Constitution under a RINO president.

Valiant on May 16, 2007 at 9:08 PM

Viva North Mexican Alliance!

/gag filter off

Excuse me, I will be busy in the toilet for a bit……..

TwinkietheKid on May 16, 2007 at 9:13 PM

Well as a bright note to all this, you can now get edible Mexican food in Ohio now.

- The Cat

MirCat on May 16, 2007 at 9:16 PM

Read it and SCREAM…TRAITOR!!!!!
From the VDARE Blog: Senate Sell-Out Rolling Down the Tracks
By Steve Sailer

From the Washington Post:

Latino Groups Play Key Role on Hill
Virtual Veto Power in Immigration Debate

By Krissah Williams and Jonathan Weisman

When Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) declared last week that unnamed “stakeholders” would decide whether Congress overhauls immigration law this year, Latino organizations in Washington understood exactly what he meant.

After laboring in obscurity for decades, groups such as the National Council of La Raza, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and the National Immigration Forum are virtually being granted veto power over perhaps the biggest domestic issue coming before Congress this year. Organizations that represent what is now the nation’s largest minority group are beginning to achieve power commensurate with their numbers.

And, of course, “The Race” and the rest want to increase the numbers of Latinos inside the borders that they putatively represent, since the vast Census figures for Latinos represent these lobbies main source of power. What’s actually in the best interests of current Latino citizens is of far less interest to them since these organizations are less beholden to their supposed constituents than they are to outside organizations like the Ford Foundation. In reality, Latinos are ambivalent about illegal immigration, politically apathetic, and not very organized. But their vast numbers allow their self-appointed leaders to claim to be important.

Because these leaders are treated as important people in Washington in proportion to the number of warm bodies with Spanish surnames found in the U.S., they are always looking to import more. So, the news that The Race et al “are virtually being granted veto power” over the Senate bill strongly implies that the legislation coming out of the Senate will be a fraud, that it will be designed not to enforce the borders but to bring in more future constituents for The Race.

Mellen on May 16, 2007 at 9:18 PM

So what the AMERICANS want does NOT count.!!!!.

Exactly. I’, Fvkin pissed!!! We should be able to VOTE on this AMERICAN LIFE CHANGING BILL. Damn, I’m so frickin mad…..grrrrr.

shooter on May 16, 2007 at 9:19 PM

So what the AMERICANS want does NOT count.!!!!.

Exactly. I’m Fvkin pissed!!! We should be able to VOTE on this AMERICAN LIFE CHANGING BILL. Damn, I’m so frickin mad…..grrrrr.

shooter on May 16, 2007 at 9:19 PM

On a brighter note……………
Well lookee here….hehehehehhe AMERICANS KNOW WHAT THEY WANT!!!!!
Barletta Wins Hazleton Election in a Landslide
“Hazleton Mayor Lou Barletta, who gained national attention by targeting illegal immigrants living in his small northeastern Pennsylvania city, cruised to the Republican nomination for a third term on Tuesday — and unexpectedly won the Democratic nomination, too,
” the New York Times reports. “Barletta trounced GOP challenger Dee Deakos with nearly 94 percent of the vote. And he beat former Mayor Michael Marsicano for the Democratic nomination by staging a last-minute write-in campaign, all but guaranteeing himself another term, unofficial returns showed.”
YEEEHA!!!

Mellen on May 16, 2007 at 9:22 PM

The frustrating part is that we don’t even need new laws. Just enforce the %$&@-ing laws that we already have.

Mojave Mark on May 16, 2007 at 9:35 PM

Still a damn sight better than any of the alternatives, pretty much. Not that we’re happy. BTW, we’re talking about a senate vote here, so it’s not the choice of president that’s in play. But you just wanted to slam Bush, right?

It was Bush or Kerry, genius. There is Bad, and then there is Much Worse. Meanwhile, STFU

Ah. So, it was political expediency, rather than principal. Gotcha. At least we’re clear on that.

Listen. I voted for him in ’04. For exactly the same reason. I couldn’t stomach the thought of Kerry being president. But I think we’ve been completely FUBAR’d in the intervening 2.5 years, because Bush has completely dropped the ball on just about everything. I completely support the Bush Doctrine, but it seems he doesn’t anymore. Condi has been swallowed up by the cess pool that is the State Department. The CIA hasn’t been cleaned up. And we are running the real risk of having Iraq turn into a disaster of epic proportions. I believe to this day that we went into Iraq for all the right reasons, and have gotten into knock-down-drag-out fights with many members of my family saying as much.

Bush’s biggest problem? He’s a wimp, frankly. He doesn’t know how to fight. Or, at least, he’s forgotten how. There have been so many opportunities for him to come out with both fists raised (metaphorically) and absolutely take the fight to his opponents–the Dems in Congress and the Press, just to name two of them. He hasn’t. For whatever reason, he’s decided that a ruckus is beneath him, I guess. And it pisses me off. We’re talking about my childrens’ futures, dammit.

I should have voted on principal in ’04. I should have written myself in.

So. I ask again–how’s that vote holding up for you guys?

nukemhill on May 16, 2007 at 9:42 PM

And about that Senate vote. It would not be happening, if Bush had any backbone. Instead, he’s backing the idea behind the vote.

Bush and Kennedy. Hmm. Didn’t they whip together a little bill called “No Child Left Behind”? Yeah. That’s working out real well, too….

nukemhill on May 16, 2007 at 9:44 PM

I repeat my instructions, troll……..

Janos Hunyadi on May 16, 2007 at 9:57 PM

Isn’t it about time for a major rebellion? Tea Party..Tax Revolt…SOMETHING!!

tickleddragon on May 16, 2007 at 9:59 PM

This is the fruition of new tone compassionate conservatism. You knew it was coming if you voted for him in ’04. At least he kept his word…to the Democrats.

You voted for him because he was good on the war on terror. Terror is a tactic, not our enemy. Bush is incapable of defining the enemy. The next president must be perfectly clear on this.

Valiant on May 16, 2007 at 10:02 PM

I sent this to Richard Burr and Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina, moments ago….

May 16, 2007

Senator Burr, as a constituent, and a supporter, I have to let you know how I feel about the possible passage of the Amnesty Bill being quietly slipped by the citizens.

I’m not going to rant on about it, but I want you to know that IF you support or sign onto this legislation, knowing the enormous amount of illegals living off of us in NC, I will not only vote against you in the next election, but will actively work for your opponent. That is, EVEN if
he/she is a liberal Democrat…because there will be no difference between that person and you, aside from the letter after your name on the Senate roll (R).

We elected you, and you took an oath, to uphold the Constitution and our laws, but by signing this legislation, you would be supporting, with OUR money, active lawbreakers.

Please show us that you respect us, and our laws, by voting against this horrible legislation.

With Respect

tickleddragon on May 16, 2007 at 10:07 PM

tickleddragon on May 16, 2007 at 10:07 PM

Are Burr and Dole even thinking of supporting this? They have been squishy in the past, but have listened to us when the heat was on.

Valiant on May 16, 2007 at 10:14 PM

The sickest part of it is that most of these illegals will hook up with unions and previously non-union jobs will become unionized — all because the business community claimed we needed illegals to do the jobs Americans wouldn’t do.

And these new citizens will either be overpaid with union-style wages for menial tasks or sitting in unemployment lines because they won’t be willing to do the jobs they were doing before.

Sensible Mom on May 16, 2007 at 10:31 PM

For whom do those politicos work?

It’s a sad day for the Republic.

rplat on May 16, 2007 at 7:19 PM

More than likely, come 2008, they will not work for any of us. I for one will not be voting for anyone who supports this.

jman on May 16, 2007 at 10:33 PM

Until they build the damn wall and get serious about immigration enforcement, I don’t even want to hear about what to do with the 12 million illegals in the country.

Hollowpoint on May 16, 2007 at 7:21 PM

I’ve been saying that for a while now and wrote my congressional leaders a day ago, it doesn’t matter what the hell plan, law, action they come up with, it will not work till you plug the leak in the dam first. It’s maddening, my 4 yr old could figure that out.

4shoes on May 16, 2007 at 10:34 PM

I repeat my instructions, troll……..

That’s the best you’ve got? Calling me a troll???

If that’s the best the Conservative movement’s got for rhetorical skills, we’re in a world of hurt.

At least give me a substantive counter-argument. Please! You seem to be missing a rather important point. I’m nominally on your side. So much for the Big Tent….

nukemhill on May 16, 2007 at 10:36 PM

And so the cycle continues. The business community claimed we needed the illegals to do the jobs Americans wouldn’t do (which was a PR lie to push this legislation).

So who’s going to do the jobs the former illegals don’t want to do or will only do for higher wages? What many businesses wanted was cheap labor but by pushing this legislation all they did was increase their costs and our taxes because when the market turns or these companies decide to move overseas for cheaper labor we’ll have a slew of uneducated, unskilled new citizens and their relatives in the unemployment lines.

They would’ve been better off to pay Americans more to do those jobs then to have imported cheap, unskilled labor permanently.

Sensible Mom on May 16, 2007 at 10:44 PM

Hmph, bunch of worthless traitors. I hope there are candidates who’ll challenge the turncoats. I’m getting real tired of the spineless weasels that “represent” us in DC. How bout giving us a little something guys?

Bad Candy on May 16, 2007 at 10:45 PM

Unfortunately, they don’t work for us. They’re supposed to but they work for themselves and, apparently, non-citizens.

Sensible Mom on May 16, 2007 at 10:48 PM

Valiant on May 16, 2007 at 10:14 PM

I honestly don’t know what these two are doing, and I’m not taking any chances. They’ve BOTH done stuff in the past to pi$$ me off, so just making sure I’m heard.

tickleddragon on May 16, 2007 at 10:58 PM

I knew Amnesty was going to happen regardless of what the vast majority of private CITIZENS wanted. If it had been the slightest surprise, I’d be outraged and firing off letters, emails and whatever. But I’ve done that already many times in the past year or so.

So, I’m more sad and depressed instead of being righteously outraged.

I thought I’d seen it all on illegal immigration. Now, this – Santa Fe considering recruiting Mexican nationals to their force.
Entelechy on May 16, 2007 at 7:24 PM

Wasn’t aware of that one… Thanks (I think) for posting it.

Next step, Our ‘esteemed’ Gobernador Ricardosoñ will probably fire all the NM State Police officers who are citizens and subcontract out the job to the Mexican Federales.

That, just before he drops the ‘New’ out of the state name.

Badges? We don’t gots to show you no steenking badges.

Our Senator, Pete Domenici has always been a staunch, reliable, Conservative presence in Washington for decades…. But on Immigration, he is worse than Bush, McCain and Teddy Kennedy put together. (As a child, he was ‘traumatized’ by his mother nearly getting deported for overstaying her visa. It was quickly cleared up and she became a citizen, but he still irrationally believes in open borders and ‘free citizenship for all aliens’.)

When I found out about this, I knew it was hopeless and that we would soon have 50-60 million new citizens who salute the Green White and Red instead of the Red White and Blue, and can’t/won’t speak ‘Merican.

LegendHasIt on May 16, 2007 at 11:01 PM

You know, I’ve been joking/semi-joking for years now, because of my weakness for Scotsmen, that I was gonna move to my favorite foreign city, Edinburgh. If things go here, like I think it’s going to go…that move isn’t such a bad idea afterall. At least I can dull my pain with some beautiful landscape and accents that are music to my ears.

Sad, really. A descendent of Arthur “signer of the Declaration of Independence” Middleton…feels the need to expatriate from her beloved country.

tickleddragon on May 16, 2007 at 11:08 PM

Oh, for those who still haven’t given up hope of changing your Senators’ and ‘Representaitves’ minds, You might want to send them SOME ATTENTION GETTERS

Sorry for the shameless plug, but we have a lot of new folks here that might not have seen them before.

LegendHasIt on May 16, 2007 at 11:13 PM

Latino Groups Play Key Role on Hill
Virtual Veto Power in Immigration Debate

By Krissah Williams and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, May 16, 2007; A04

When Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) declared last week that unnamed “stakeholders” would decide whether Congress overhauls immigration law this year, Latino organizations in Washington understood exactly what he meant.

After laboring in obscurity for decades, groups such as the National Council of La Raza, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and the National Immigration Forum are virtually being granted veto power over perhaps the biggest domestic issue coming before Congress this year. Organizations that represent what is now the nation’s largest minority group are beginning to achieve power commensurate with their numbers.

“There’s a real sense that the Latino community is key to the solution in this debate, so now they are reaching out to us more than ever,” said Eric Gutierrez, lead lobbyist for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, or MALDEF. “Neither party wants to make a misstep politically.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051502022.html

Speakup on May 17, 2007 at 12:08 AM

If you ask me a vote for amnesty is a vote to declare WAR on the citizens of this country.If it is a civil war they want, it will be a civil war they will get!

Still think the North American Union is a figment of peoples imagination???? NOT!!!

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 12:16 AM

The idea that the country will be filled with Geraldo Rivera clones makes me want to GAG!!

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 12:18 AM

I didn’t abandon the Republican Party. The Republican Party abandoned me….

…in favor of non-citizen lawbreakers waving Mexican flags.

I guess the Republican Mexipublican Party is completely suicidal. Their strategy seems to be: let a lot of people who will vote overwhelmingly Democratic into the country and alienate solidly conservative voters at the same time.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 12:20 AM

It goes way beyond voting democratic…get ready to assimilate into our new third world country. One of lawlessness . That’s what will happen as the numbers grow and grow of illiterate,impoverished ,spanish speaking indigents,If you think drugs are rampant now, just wait…..anyone know a good country to flee to????

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 12:52 AM

I’ve given it a lot of thought lately. I’m sick of the whole mess. Republicans are too weak and useless, Democrats are dangerously traitorous and naive (but in a totally nuanced way, of course); and libertarians just aren’t a viable alternative.

There’s no box left for me to check. I don’t like ANY of the alternatives.

I feel like a coppertop in the Matrix. Bred as a cash engine to support floods of uneducated voters who will ensure that as much cash as possible gets extracted from me over the course of my life.

Cash I earned through hard work, perserverance, and determination. To be handed to someone with a much smaller and less useful skillset, to support him, his wife, and an ever-growing brood of new mouths to feed, clothe, and keep healthy.

So much for MY American Dream of earned sustainable financial independence through a lifetime’s dilligence. Used to be you had to work for it. Now you just have to cross a border. This is just a friggin’ outrage.

The republicans are less than useless. I’m officially an Independent. Not that that advances my position one friggin’ iota.

If someone were to hold a protest march about this issue, I’d make time to show up. I’m all for legal immigration, but what’s happening now is short-sighted maddness, for nothing more than political gain.

On a side note, in my neck of the woods in a town named Farmers Branch, Texas, if you haven’t already heard. A proposal to make it illegal to rent houses or apartments to illegal aliens passed by a two to one margin. The will of the People is clear.

The Will of the People is being usurped.

techno_barbarian on May 17, 2007 at 1:10 AM

All you doom and gloomers, get a load of http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/us/17census.html

“That development may portend a nation split between an older, whiter electorate and a younger overall population that is more Hispanic, black and Asian and that presses sometimes competing agendas and priorities.”

Basically whites aren’t making babies, and native born minorities aren’t making enough so “More than 20 percent of children in the United States either are foreign-born or have a parent who was born abroad.”

The Republican party 10 years from now will be a very different thing than it is now if is going to survive, which I think it will. Holding back the tide is not a successful policy, and the professional politicians understand that. In any case, I’m fine with the idea of the Party of Lincoln being both pro-life and pro-immigrant.

pedestrian on May 17, 2007 at 1:20 AM

I sent this to my Senators. Not the best prose ever written to be sure, but hopefully the point comes across. All of you should be contacting your representatives as well!

Dean Honorable Senator …,

I understand an important bill regarding American security and (illegal) immigration is before the Senate.

I strongly urge you to vote to secure our borders! This, I believe, should be a national priority. With the continuing and serious issue of international terrorism, it is very very dangerous not to exert additional effort to more completely secure our borders soon.

We cannot long endure as a nation if we do not have a national border that defines us physically as a nation.

We are a nation of laws, and we cannot allow millions and millions of foreign nationals to circumvent and ignore those laws. If we as a country ignore the enforcement of our law, the law is reduced into meaningless scribble on paper.

Thank you,
……

gmoonster on May 17, 2007 at 1:21 AM

Your point, nukemhill, to extent that you actually have one, is a supidly simplistic misrepresentation. So you are not worth bothering with until you have something substantive to say

Janos Hunyadi on May 17, 2007 at 1:53 AM

The Republican party 10 years from now will be a very different thing than it is now if is going to survive, which I think it will. Holding back the tide is not a successful policy, and the professional politicians understand that. In any case, I’m fine with the idea of the Party of Lincoln being both pro-life and pro-immigrant.

How about pro-crime (1, 2, and 3), pro-dropout, pro-illegitimacy, and pro-welfare (1 and 2)?

All the babies in the world won’t matter if the net effect of having more Hispanics is to place a heavier burden on the government services that increased birthrates are supposed to save. How are a bunch of people who are extremely poorly educated generation after generation going to contribute much to the tax base even as they utilize government programs disproportionately generation after generation? Unlike the descendants of European immigrants who largely moved into the middle class within two or three generations, Hispanics are not reaching white norms of education and economic achievement even four generations into American life and there is no evidence that things will get better in later generations. How about all those millions of elderly Hispanics who will be entitled under immigration law to come over to America and start drawing from social security and other government programs they’ve never paid a dime into?

If the traitors on Capitol Hill have their way, the United States will soon be history as we knew it. Better learn Spanish. You are certainly right about the Republicans being very different from today’s batch. Soon, they won’t be very conservative at all. The Mexipublicans will have to shift increasingly leftward to appeal to Hispanic voters.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 2:02 AM

El Presidente Bush makes me wish I had sat out the 2004 election. I truly can’t stand him. But the alternative would have been horrible. However, the Republican Party gets no more money from me until I see some conservatism there. My contributions, at least, are still in my control….for now.

lynnv on May 17, 2007 at 8:12 AM

Quick someone tell me why I should vote for Rudy again, I keep forgetting.

Buzzy on May 17, 2007 at 9:21 AM

I left a comment at MKH’s place right after the election. I said that Bush was probably overjoyed to get rid of those darned obstructionist Republicans and replace them with Democrats who thought like he did. And I’ll bet that our president is doing handsprings today at the thought of signing this turd of a bill.

Maybe now that amnesty will- again- become the law of the land, Bush can get on with his big government spending program like, say, Prescription Drugs for Barnyard Animals. After all, animals get sick too, and the government simply has to step in when someone is hurting.

Permanent minority status. Maybe the GOP should roll that statement around for a little while. How does another 40 years sound?

Physics Geek on May 17, 2007 at 9:34 AM

Your point, nukemhill, to extent that you actually have one, is a stupidly simplistic misrepresentation. So you are not worth bothering with until you have something substantive to say.

FTFY. Moron.

Hmm. Nice counter. I’m duly impressed. Way to make friends.

Got anymore where that came from? I’m sure you do….

nukemhill on May 17, 2007 at 10:15 AM

Whites aren’t making babies because they are more responsible and only have children that they can afford. Instead their tax money is being used to support these Illegals hordes of children…nice eh???

Mellen on May 17, 2007 at 11:36 AM

How about pro-crime (1, 2, and 3), pro-dropout, pro-illegitimacy, and pro-welfare (1 and 2)?

Looking through your links, Tommy1, the point of them is that Hispanics have considerably fewer problems that blacks. Much more than whites, but then again those articles for the most part did not adjust for poverty. No one is denying that the Hispanic illegal immigrants are poor, and consequently we would expect a higher crime rate just based on human nature. The fact that those people who are now living in a foreign land speaking a second-class (here) language, and still have a lower crime rate than blacks, who have been benefiting from affirmative action for decades, speaks volumes for them. I am more impressed with Hispanics after reading your links than I was before.

Hispanics are not reaching white norms of education and economic achievement even four generations into American life and there is no evidence that things will get better in later generations.

Unless I am misreading the chart, it looks like they are doing quite well. I am also extremely suspicious of racial categorization of Hispanics after more than 1 generatation. The ones that will do well do so because they blend in to the majority culture, and probably no longer consider themselves part of a isolated subgroup. So people who report themselves as Nth generation Hispanics have a disproportionate number a self-selected people who choose to isolate themselves culturally. A clearly distinct racial category like black is different (although it is un-pc to say that).

You are certainly right about the Republicans being very different from today’s batch. Soon, they won’t be very conservative at all. The Mexipublicans will have to shift increasingly leftward to appeal to Hispanic voters.

Conservatives are going to have to be very careful what kind of conservatism they want to stick with as the core of the Republican party if they want to hold onto it. An anti-immigrant policy is a clear loser. As more people realize that there retirement money is tied up in SP 500 companies that earn as much money overseas as they do here will increasingly be less interested in protectionism as well. We were right to boot Buchanan in 2000.

pedestrian on May 17, 2007 at 11:46 AM

I just called Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl and Lindsay Graham’s offices on this amnesty bill. Everyone start calling. I got through right away and that only tells me that people are not burning up the phone lines to display their outrage.

donna on May 17, 2007 at 12:01 PM

Don’t fret none, we’ll still get the last laugh. Look at the nation we’re leaving behind for the Islamist.

Would the last American please turn out the lights.

SPIFF1669 on May 17, 2007 at 12:13 PM

This is incredible. Today my mayor is going to go on a protest march against my police department. He’s Mexican. This country is being run over. I live in CA and pay taxes here and we are getting choked. I feel that living in this state I have no say in anything I believe in. Which state can I move to? Which is the state that is the least populated cause it’s so cold?

Can we come up with a good strategy, an effective strategy to protest? This is a smart group of people, help the less savvy of us figure out a plan so we can work it together.

I always have wondered why America isn’t mentioned in the Bible. I guess I know why now. We won’t be here much longer as “America”.

CCRWM on May 17, 2007 at 1:06 PM

pedestrian,

Looking through your links, Tommy1, the point of them is that Hispanics have considerably fewer problems that blacks.

That is cold comfort. Blacks represent 15% of the nations population but commit 50% of all murders. Hispanics have three times the incarceration rate for murder that non-Hispanic whites do.

No one is denying that the Hispanic illegal immigrants are poor, and consequently we would expect a higher crime rate just based on human nature.

The problem isn’t so much with Hispanic illegals, it is with their children, their grandchildren and their great-grandchildren.

I am more impressed with Hispanics after reading your links than I was before.

Frightening.

Unless I am misreading the chart, it looks like they are doing quite well. I am also extremely suspicious of racial categorization of Hispanics after more than 1 generatation. The ones that will do well do so because they blend in to the majority culture, and probably no longer consider themselves part of a isolated subgroup. So people who report themselves as Nth generation Hispanics have a disproportionate number a self-selected people who choose to isolate themselves culturally. A clearly distinct racial category like black is different (although it is un-pc to say that).

You are definitely misreading the charts. Go back and read them more carefully. Less than 10% of fourth generation Mexicans have a post-high-school education. 40% of fourth generation Mexican Americans drop out from high school. This study does not apply to all Hispanics, only Mexican Americans. The far right of the column represents the stats for whites, blacks, Asians, and non-Mexican Hispanics (Cubans and others). If whites alone were compared to fourth generation Hispanics, the differences would be even more clear.

Conservatives are going to have to be very careful what kind of conservatism they want to stick with as the core of the Republican party if they want to hold onto it.

Yeah, the conservatism they will have to abandon will be conservatism itself. Hispanics haven’t made California any less liberal, that is for sure.

As more people realize that there retirement money is tied up in SP 500 companies that earn as much money overseas as they do here will increasingly be less interested in protectionism as well. We were right to boot Buchanan in 2000.

Free trade with China is resulting in record deficits, but that is another issue for another day. Hispanics don’t generate enough tax money to save anything. They are heavy users of welfare and other government handouts to boot.

tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 1:59 PM

According to Robert Rector, an Illegal Immigrant family of 4 from Mexico will cost the taxpayers one million dollars of social services over their lifetime.

Due the math for the 20-50 million already here and tell me how this benefits the USA.

Our Political Leaders are traitors to this country and have created Tyranny for the first time in history since the Boston Tea Party.

Maybe we all should refuse to file our tax returns and see how the Politicos like it. They could not possibly prosecute the lawful citizens if we all got together and said screw you.

For those of you thinking of voting for Rudy Guiliani, Turns out Giuliani is profiting from Illegal Immigration with the NAFTA superhighway and is a CFR member in drag ready willing and able to sell our America for a North American Union.

Now we know why he was flip flopping on Illegal Immigration in the debates and press interviews.

Giuliani Linked to “NAFTA Superhighway”

http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/north_american_union/giuliani_linked_to_%22nafta_superhighway%22_2007051459/

NAFTA Superhighway has Giuliani as key player
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/grassi/070504

” At the center of negotiations for multiple legs of the Superhighway Corridor throughout Texas, is none other than Rudolph Giuliani’s law firm which landed the Comprehensive Development Agreement for a widening of Interstate-35, now referred to as the TTC-35, in addition to the Master Development Plans for State Highways 121 and 130 among other legs of the TTC. All negotiations for Cintra were and are presently handled by the law firm, Bracewell & Giuliani, LLP, of which Republican Presidential candidate, Rudolph Giuliani, has been a senior executive partner since March 2005. His law firm is the exclusive legal counsel for Cintra. Bracewell & Giuliani is comprised of 400 attorneys, based in Houston, TX with offices in New York City, Washington, D.C., London and Kazakhstan.

“Most interesting to the whole story is not only has Mr. Giuliani’s involvement in the NAFTA Superhighway not ever having been publicly addressed, but how a foreign company is awarded the building of a mass highway system, versus maintaining it, for the first time in U.S. history, and negotiated by the law firm of the top Republican candidate running for President of the United States. And truly disturbing is how such will not only have national and homeland security and sovereignty implications but how it is deliberately being kept away from the Halls of Congress.”

“Giuliani fancies himself as an expert on homeland security issues and a law enforcer. And he has amassed quite the portfolio since 2002, earning $20 million in that year alone, by selling himself as such. He owns Giuliani Partners, Giuliani Safety & Security and Giuliani Capital Advisors. In March 2007 he sold Giuliani Capital Advisors, a former Ernst & Young finance company he purchased in 2002, to Macquerie Infrastructure Consortium. Not coincidentally, it is a partner of Cintra’s in its shared operations of toll roads in both Indiana and Chicago, IL.”

ScottyDog on May 17, 2007 at 3:10 PM