How big an impact would a Bloomberg candidacy have?

posted at 11:45 am on May 16, 2007 by Allahpundit

Not big enough to win, thinks the WashTimes, but big enough to determine who will.

Is this tool really prepared to blow a billion clams on a vanity candidacy?

Speaking to The Times only on the condition they not be named because they do not think they can speak publicly for the mayor, these friends said that he has told them he will make the run if he thinks he would have an effect on the policies and issues that will drive the 2008 presidential contest.

They say a Bloomberg candidacy would make it difficult for the Democratic nominee to win the electoral votes of New York, as well as of Connecticut and New Jersey. All are blue-state must-wins for the Democratic nominee, but not for the Republican standard-bearer, whoever he turns out to be…

Most campaign professionals said that because Mr. Bloomberg and Mr. Giuliani are liberal on social-policy issues, Mr. Bloomberg won’t run if it becomes clear by early February that Mr. Giuliani will get the Republican nomination. But a Republican who is a close friend — but not a presidential supporter of his — who has discussed the issue with Mr. Bloomberg said Mr. Bloomberg has enough lingering animosity for Mr. Giuliani that a Giuliani Republican nomination victory would not deter a Bloomberg third-party run.

As a New Yorker, it makes me giggle to think of Bloomberg running a national race because he essentially has no positions. I’ve lived here most of my life and I couldn’t tell you a single issue he feels strongly about, except of course for banning smoking in bars. He’s the anti-Rudy in that sense, which makes him an ideal third-party figure in a race between two high-profile nominees whose personalities tend to repulse the other side. If it’s Hillary versus Giuliani, the CW would be that Bloomberg would be neutralized because they’re both (perceived as) centrists and so there’s really no room in between for him to run. I think that’s wrong; with two hateworthy candidates to choose from, a pragmatist cipher could be a potent “none of the above” choice/protest vote for independents — in which case I think Bloomy will hurt the Republicans because people will naturally compare him to the guy who preceded him as mayor. (And the media will egg them on, highlighting ways in which Bloomberg improved upon Giuliani’s own record as mayor.) I’m not so sure who he hurts in a race between, say, Obama and Fred!, where both candidates are likeable albeit further towards the far end of their respective political spectrums. That leaves Bloomy with the center, in which case presumably he’d hurt Obama because they’ll have similar positions on the key issue, i.e., the war. But then again, given their similarity, why would anyone prefer dry toast like Bloomberg to the charisma machine known as Barry O?

Exit question: Assuming Bloomberg gets into the race, the best case scenario for the GOP is Hillary vs. Fred! and the worst case is Obama vs. Rudy. True or false?

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Defector01 on May 16, 2007 at 11:49 AM

yuk

Connie on May 16, 2007 at 11:51 AM

Ugh bloomberg.
Is there anything he won’t ban?

Vote Frudy 2008!

liberrocky on May 16, 2007 at 11:51 AM

Bloomberg. Oy. I think he thinks that he’s just going to come sweeping into the race, like Rudy did, because he’s a New York mayor. I don’t think New York would vote for him over Rudy or Hillary, though.

amerpundit on May 16, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Exit question: Assuming Bloomberg gets into the race, the best case scenario for the GOP is Hillary vs. Fred! and the worst case is Obama vs. Rudy. True or false?

Yeah true.

liberrocky on May 16, 2007 at 11:55 AM

Giuliani and Bloomberg are two different animals. Bloomberg wants cameras on every street corner in New York City. If people think Giuliani was too new world order, you definately don’t want Bloomberg. He wants NYC to be another London security wise, and that means “bye bye” to personal privacy. not that we have much in nyc anyway.

Vincenzo on May 16, 2007 at 11:55 AM

He will be to Hillary what Perot was to Bill.

He can siphon off enough conservative votes in key states to throw the election.

But, he has no chance whatsoever of winning even if he spends all of his billions.

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 16, 2007 at 11:57 AM

he won’t siphon off a single conservative vote. Once his plan for charging people to drive in midtown new york is made more public(cameras will be used to tag license plates and send you a bill in the mail), any conservative even thinking about Bloomy will turn and run.

Bloomberg ran as a Republican because Giuliani was the outgoing mayor and a Republican. Bloomy was a democrat his entire life.

Vincenzo on May 16, 2007 at 11:59 AM

— in which case I think Bloomy will hurt the Republicans because people will naturally compare him to the guy who preceded him as mayor.

That is sort of a L.I.E view point. I don’t think that the rest of the country cares too much about Rudy NYC vs Bloomy NYC. Also I don’t think it is likely that media can make help Bloomy too much here. The “Rudy Saved NYC” meme is just too strong.

In Bloomy vs Hillary vs Rudy Rudy wins.
Bloomy sucks a lot of the “anything but a Republican” vote from Hillary cause her negatives are so high.

liberrocky on May 16, 2007 at 12:01 PM

It’s refreshing to finally read a sensible take on Bloomberg. Everyone else here (in NYC), even conservatives, seems to love him. But why? Aside from smoking, he supports illegal immigration because it keeps the maintenance wages on the golf course cheap (his explanation). Other than that, he doesnt mind raising taxes, and, as you say, he has no issues.

Well, fixing the schools. But he, like everybody else, has no idea how to do that. And there’s no way to do it under an open immigration policy, which, again, Bloomberg supports.

Alex K on May 16, 2007 at 12:02 PM

I also dont see Bloomberg hurting the GOP under any circumstances, even running against Rudy. Only liberals in New York insist Bloom is better, and that’s because they’ll always resent Rudy for being so politically incorrect and ruthless about crime. Even the conservatives here who like Bloomberg don’t love him as much as they loved Rudy. So out in the real country the GOP votes either go to neither (social cons, etc) or to Rudy. But Bloomy just isn’t a good substitute for cons who refuse to vote Rudy.

Alex K on May 16, 2007 at 12:06 PM

the best case scenario for the GOP is Hillary vs. Fred! and the worst case is Obama vs. Rudy. True or false?

Undeniably true.

lorien1973 on May 16, 2007 at 12:06 PM

I don’t believe the Dems will fall for a split candidate other then Gore. Bloomberg can only harm the GOP and yes I believe he and McCain are vain enough to do just that out of plain ol’ spite. The way this whole thing is shaping up (granted it is early) Billary is looking harder and harder to beat. Both Bloomberg and McCain are putting all their chips on the ‘uniter-not-divider’ line and that will only hurt the GOP. The dems don’t want a uniter. They want the GOP dead in the water.

Limerick on May 16, 2007 at 12:07 PM

He’s more interested in having fun running for President, than if the GOP retains the WH.

amerpundit on May 16, 2007 at 12:09 PM

True! But Bloomy helps the GOP regardless. Especially if he signs up Hagel as his running mate.

Dean Barnett on May 16, 2007 at 12:13 PM

And speaking as a Californian, most of us on the left coast don’t really care that much about what happens in NYC, sorry. Not impress.

Bob's Kid on May 16, 2007 at 12:16 PM

I don’t think Bloomberg will harm the GOP, as he’s too liberal. He’s not even a RINO RINO. He’s big nannystate pusher, who thinks we’re too stupid to run our own lives and for some reason thinks London is the model society. Totally ignoring how the congestion pricing plan is destroying London the jackass. He’ll suck moderate dems away from the dem candidate. The types that’d never vote GOP anyway, but can’t stand Hillary!
He’s a lightweight, and without the charm of Perot he’ll go nowhere fast.
And if Fred! runs, fuggedaboutit.

Iblis on May 16, 2007 at 12:19 PM

I agree with some of the others regarding Rudy’s popularity versus Bloomberg in NYC. Maybe the liberals like Bloomberg better, but that’s about it. Forget about 9/11. Rudy came in and did the impossible. He cut crime SIGNIFICANTLY. And if you think that wasn’t a big deal for those living in the New York Metro area, than you have a very short memory. NYC pre-Rudy was an unsafe sewer. There were always serious discussions that the Yankees would move out of the Bronx due to the crime. That issue hasn’t been raised in more than a decade, I think.

I think an MB candidacy will hurt the Republicans, but hopefully siphons votes aways from the Dems as well.

MB has no chance to win. Why? Perhaps it’s not PC, but the guy is Jewish, and I can’t see a Jewish guy winning a national election in America. By the way…I’m Jewish, so I can get away with saying that. While I was thrilled Lieberman was the VP candidate with Gore, I really wonder how many votes he lost for the Dems in some of those swing states without a significant Jewish population.

asc85 on May 16, 2007 at 12:20 PM

The economy could always use him spending his money.

DCJeff on May 16, 2007 at 12:28 PM

Exit question: Assuming Bloomberg gets into the race, the best case scenario for the GOP is Hillary vs. Fred! and the worst case is Obama vs. Rudy. True or false?

If Bloomy gets in, it basically clears the way for Fred!.

Kid from Brooklyn on May 16, 2007 at 12:28 PM

asc85 on May 16, 2007 at 12:20 PM

I am not so sure about the Jewish thing. If the country is willing to elect a black guy they would be will to elect a Jewish guy.

I do think, however, that the Meathead Middle that Bloomy would be aiming for is one voting segments that would be least friendly to Jews.

liberrocky on May 16, 2007 at 12:28 PM

Liberals love Mayor Bloomberg because of his disastrous education policies that have allowed radicals to hijack entire schools and indoctinate kids in New York.

Here is a great column by Sol Stern that was in Saturday’s New York Post about the radical conference (truly wacky)that met in NYC with taxpayer money:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05122007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/radical_teach_opedcolumnists_sol_stern.htm

Sol Stern is not the only conservative education scholar annoyed with Bloomberg. Diane Ravitch has been battling Bloomberg as well for what he has done to the NYC schools.

januarius on May 16, 2007 at 12:31 PM

Nanny Bloomberg, give me a freaking break? That asshole said that we New Yorkers should thanks the Chairman of Con Ed after the blackouts in Queens last summer. Even the Con Ed Chairman admitted to failure. Nanny Bloomberg also wanted to charge parking tickets to motorists whose cars were stuck in teh snow. Sometimes the contributors on Hot Air (such as Allah) think too much.

Hilts on May 16, 2007 at 12:32 PM

but the guy is Jewish,
asc85 on May 16, 2007 at 12:20 PM

As a grit eatin, don’t mess with Texas, pick up driving Christian……it is a non-factor……(no offense Nonfactor). As long as it isn’t a pentagram or a meteorite hanging from the fella’s neck I don’t care.

Limerick on May 16, 2007 at 12:32 PM

Can anyone explain to me why there is any animosity between Bloomberg and Rudy? I live in the NYC media market and if I remember correctly Bloomberg would have lost to Mark Green in a landslide without Rudy’s endorsement.

Shivv on May 16, 2007 at 12:50 PM

God help us.

Ian on May 16, 2007 at 1:16 PM

As long as it isn’t a pentagram or a meteorite hanging from the fella’s neck I don’t care.

Limerick on May 16, 2007 at 12:32 PM

Or a little crescent that always points to Mecca?? Kinda like a compass…

lan astaslem on May 16, 2007 at 1:21 PM

I am not so sure about the Jewish thing. If the country is willing to elect a black guy they would be will to elect a Jewish guy.

liberrocky on May 16, 2007 at 12:28 PM

Sorry…I respectfully disagree with you. To which black guy are you referring to above. Barack Obama? He hasn’t been elected to anything yet.

As a grit eatin, don’t mess with Texas, pick up driving Christian……it is a non-factor……(no offense Nonfactor). As long as it isn’t a pentagram or a meteorite hanging from the fella’s neck I don’t care.

Limerick on May 16, 2007 at 12:32 PM

I appreciate your enlightened perspective (seriously…no sarcasm intended), but I’m just not sure that many others in States like Texas feel the same way.

asc85 on May 16, 2007 at 1:30 PM

Bloomberg owes his victory to Rudy’s handling of 9/11, and at the time New York wanted a smooth transition of mayors during the crisis. Bloomy stood by with Giuliani, and Giuliani gave his approval that Bloomberg would continue to take care fo the city under the duress it had felt.

Otherwise, we would have been back to Dinkins Days in the Rotten Apple.

Vincenzo on May 16, 2007 at 1:36 PM

“Not big enough to win, thinks the WashTimes, but big enough to determine who will.”

He won’t get the nomination. If he runs as an independent, he’ll get less than 1% of the vote and as his positions are leftist/Stalinist on issues such as video surveillence and gun control, his appeal is to the left.

georgej on May 16, 2007 at 2:09 PM

Haven’t we all learned yet that presidential elections these days can turn on just a few hundred votes in a key state? Bloomberg absolutely could affect the outcome of this election! Not by winning it himself, but by whom he pulls enough votes from. I’m not convinced that a Bloomberg/Hagel ticket wouldn’t hurt the Republican nominee more by pulling too many anti-war right-leaning moderates in key states. They both call themselves Republicans, and have managed to get quite a bit of support in the past from RINO-type voters.

I hope Bloomberg stays out of it. The only independent candidates I want to see are Nader and maybe Gore. Nobody who could possibly fool our unfortunately much-needed right-leaning “moderates.”

aero on May 16, 2007 at 2:31 PM

worst case is Obama vs. Rudy?

Don’t be so damned petulant AP. YES we’ll vote for the anti-terrorist even if he is a New Yorker.
See that’s because for us, we pathetic Out-of-Towners, New York or New Yorker-ism is never the main thing.
Hard to fathom, I know. I know my New Yorkers.

BTW out here in Outer White-landia as Kuby calls it, “That leaves Bloomy with the center” – totally only something a New Yorker could write.
Out here we call Bloomy types Democrats. And they get elected as such.

Stephen M on May 16, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Exit question: Assuming Bloomberg gets into the race, the best case scenario for the GOP is Hillary vs. Fred! and the worst case is Obama vs. Rudy. True or false?

Whatever. Let’s take a different tack: if Bloomberg can’t get more than a million votes total, and he’s willing to spend $1 billion, I think he’s badly over paying, at $1,000 per vote.

I suspect that most of the filth in New York, for example, would sell out their vote to the midget King for 25 bucks or a case of malt liquor. So, he won’t win anything, but it shouldn’t cost him more than $50 million, tops.

Jaibones on May 16, 2007 at 3:35 PM

Yeah, I really can’t see a single red state that would flip because Bloomberg siphoned votes from the Republican candidate. He’ll pull more Dem or Dem-leaning votes, because he is one. Seriously, Bloomberg simply isn’t considered a Republican (In Name Only, or in any other way) any place besides NY, MA and Vermont. Completely different kind of appeal (if he has any appeal) than the populist Texan Perot had.

Dudley Smith on May 16, 2007 at 5:06 PM

Exit question: True, and proper analysis of Bloomberg’s potential impact.

He would only take the RINO vote from Fred!, which would hurt Fred! against Obama, not Hillary. He would sap some votes from Rudy among those who think he is more centrist, which would hurt Rudy against Hillary, not Obama.

I don’t see Bloomberg taking votes from Hillary or Obama in either case, the Dems want the White House and they don’t care what it takes to get it.

Freelancer on May 16, 2007 at 7:20 PM