Fox News: Intelligence suggests missing soldiers are alive; Update: Some suspects in custody, soldiers’ equipment possibly recovered
posted at 8:23 pm on May 16, 2007 by Allahpundit
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As reported a little more than an hour ago by Shep Smith. Gateway Pundit has video. I can’t find a word about it on the wires, but FN.com says it’s so:
U.S. aircraft dropped leaflets Wednesday in a thinly populated farming area south of Baghdad, offering a $200,000 reward for any information on three missing American soldiers believed captured by Al Qaeda terrorists.
The new search tactic came as a senior U.S. military official in Baghdad told FOX News there was reason to believe the missing GIs were still alive. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, would only say the assessment was based on intelligence.
Either the source is very senior or else the intel broke late because Brig. Gen. Perry Wiggins didn’t say a word about it at the press briefing today. He did, however, say they have credible intel that the soldiers were abducted by AQ or an “affiliated group.” If he’s telling the truth, that probably means the new intel is a ransom demand (likely in the form of a prisoner exchange). But since when does AQ do that sort of thing? Maybe it’s a different Sunni insurgent group. In which case, they must be demanding some awfully important prisoners to give up their chance for the jihadist glory that would come with executing a U.S. soldier.
But what if Wiggins was lying? I saw this report on Iraqslogger a few days ago and didn’t think much of it, but now I wonder.
“A high level source” in Iraqi security gave al-Hayat a different version of the attack in Mahmudiya that resulted in the death of 4 American soldiers and an Iraqi translator, and the presumed capture of three US infantrymen by an al-Qa’ida-affiliated group.
The “source” told the newspaper that the attack took place in Shwaisha, 30 kilometers west of Mahmudiya. The US troops were riding two Humvee vehicles, stationed on a bridge over the Euphrates River, the source – who spoke under the condition of anonymity – said.
The attack occurred while the US patrol was “exchanging its position with a replacement patrol,” the source claimed. An armed group, which al-Hayat did not identify, attacked the US troops with mortar shells, causing the death of 5 soldiers, while the remaining three “fled to an unknown location.” The source added that it is still unknown whether the missing soldiers were captured by the same group that attacked their patrol…
What is notable in the al-Hayat report is that the security source affirmed that the three soldiers were “missing and not captured;” adding that “al-Qa’ida is “claiming a victory for itself that it did not achieve.”
If they’re on the loose in the Sunni triangle, the military has every incentive not to let the local headchoppers know that. Hence the ruse about them having already been captured.
We’ll see how it shakes out. They’ve been missing for four days, despite a huge U.S. military presence in the area. If they are at large, it seems strange that we haven’t found them yet.
Update: Gen. Petraeus says he “assumes” the soldiers are still alive, although that sounds more like think-happy-thoughts optimism than a judgment of the facts.
Update: They’ve rolled up almost a dozen suspected jihadis the past few days while searching for the missing troops so another possibility is that they stumbled upon a member of the cell that’s holding them and he claims to have seen them recently while they were still alive. In that case, expect some resolution to come soon; he must have an idea about where they’re being held, in which case a raid will certainly be in the offing.
Update: WaPo has no information about the soldiers possibly being alive but it does have details about Sunday’s ambush.
Previous reports suggested the soldiers were attacked first by a roadside bomb or a rocket-propelled grenade. But Lynch described a large-scale assault by well-armed gunmen.
“It was a complex attack on that position, where a dismounted enemy assaulted the position from multiple directions and attacked the individuals inside the Humvees,” Lynch said.
The attackers managed to breach the concertina wire with wire cutters or some other means. They also carried hand grenades and other explosives, which may have been used in setting fire to the Humvees, Lynch said.
The attackers had vehicles nearby, he added, because there were signs on the ground that “bodies were moved or dragged and placed in vehicles. The drag marks stopped at the tire tracks of vehicles.”
Lynch said that there were also indications that the U.S. soldiers fought back.
I speculated on Monday that the entire squad might have been killed during the firefight, with some of the bodies taken away by AQ to be mutilated for propaganda. That’s the leading theory on what happened to Tucker and Menchaca last year. The indications of dragging here could corroborate that theory — or, horribly, it could mean they were alive but badly wounded. I’m not sure which fate is better given the circumstances.
Update: Earlier suspicions confirmed — the Times reports that some of the jihadis involved in the abduction have been detained and some of what may be the missing troops’ equipment has been recovered. This must be the source of the intel on which Fox News’s tip is based.
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It is only a miracle if they come home.
Tim Burton on May 16, 2007 at 8:27 PM
So is the DUmmies questioning if the terrorists have given them Bibles, basketballs and a Western-style toilet in their prison cell?
Tim Burton on May 16, 2007 at 8:28 PM
is should be are…
Tim Burton on May 16, 2007 at 8:29 PM
The families of these missing soldiers are riding an emotional rollercoaster of enormous size. While we all hope and pray for the best I sometimes wish we would just stick to the facts and not engage in any sort tea leave reading or scuttle butt. For now the “No news is good news” rule applies.
LakeRuins on May 16, 2007 at 8:54 PM
I heard that on Shep’s report. And I believe in miracles.
Zorro on May 16, 2007 at 8:54 PM
I pray for their safety and return to their families.
Tru2my2 on May 16, 2007 at 9:00 PM
This is an incredible story about one of the missing Soldiers. The link needs an account the the LA Times, which I don’t have.
Now it is known that one’s remains have been found so decomposed that DNA tests are being done to identify the person. The family has been told by the division, and they know that there’s a 1 in 4 chance that it could be their son who’s dead.
The misinformation about his death started on MySpace, and spread all over his former high-school. No one appeared from the services and the family was devastated before they could hear from their son, via the Red Cross contacting him to call home.
Info from KFI’s John and Ken show, where the aunt was a guest this afternoon.
Entelechy on May 16, 2007 at 9:15 PM
Forgot to say that this young man is from Torrance, CA.
Entelechy on May 16, 2007 at 9:16 PM
To clarify – the division told the family that he’s now missing.
No one notified them about the 3-weeks ago (false) death. It turned out to have been an erroneous posting on MySpace.
Entelechy on May 16, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Hey Allah, they’re still alive and Petraeus knows what’s coming. Buckle up everyone, it’s going to get nasty.
http://www.xignite.com/xworldnews.aspx?articleid=GMP20070316031006
ganeshpuri89 on May 16, 2007 at 9:48 PM
Ganeshpuri89, you posted what I didn’t want to say.
Pray for these guys, our soldiers, for their safe return, for …I don’t even know what to say.
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Pray for them.
shooter on May 16, 2007 at 10:13 PM
I do hope and pray that they are still alive, and that they will be found soon.
nailinmyeye on May 16, 2007 at 10:30 PM
I don’t want to speculate one way or the other. We are looking hard for them and I am satisfied with that. This is one operation we don’t need to know anything about until it is all over. The media trying to scoop this story has only a bad ending.
Limerick on May 16, 2007 at 10:32 PM
Poor planning, poor surveillance, poor reaction time, poor rules of engagement.
Poor guys.
More miraculous rescues have occurred.
Let’s hope this is one.
profitsbeard on May 17, 2007 at 12:07 AM
Bullshit! Respond with insane rage. Make them regret their mistake. Send in 30,000 troops and incinerate them.
Jaibones on May 17, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Been there albeit 35yrs ago. Glad to see they are in full response. Never give up keep trying and looking because things do happen. AP please stay on this. Whether it be 3 or 300 each one of us are important.
mjkazee on May 17, 2007 at 12:59 AM
Al Qaeda is misjudging America if they think that broadcasting tape of tortured Americans will lead to American surrender. It might work with the Sheehan Left but not the Big Red Center of America. I can’t think of a time in American history where such a tactic has worked for the enemy, but many where it has inflamed American opinion to press on to victory.
When the Nazis massacred 84 GIs at Malmédy during the Battle of the Bulge, it did not cow America nor lead to our surrender. It pissed America off. That’s nothing you want to do.
When the North Koreans invaded South Korea, they captured US GIs, tied their hands behind their backs with telephone wire, lined them up, and shot them. That did not lead to American surrender but rather to a determined defense of Pusan, the invasion at Inchon, and an air bombardment that flattenned the major North Korean cities.
The Japanese militarists thought that Americans were soft and easily beaten. The Nazis thought they were hard and Americans soft and easily beaten. Saddam Hussein that America soft and easily beaten. Al Qaeda thinks America is soft and easily beaten.
They have no idea what America is about nor who they are dealing with. None at all.
Tantor on May 17, 2007 at 9:25 AM
Amen Tantor! It’s ever been true, and if they would do a bit of research they’d find it, that we are a testy, spoiled bunch, quick to fight and argue amongst ourselves and happily self absorbed. But make the mistake of pissing us off at your peril….
dustoffmom on May 17, 2007 at 9:39 AM
Break out the wetsuits boys; it’s time to go waterboarding. . .
smellthecoffee on May 17, 2007 at 9:41 AM
Cross your fingers.
tommy1 on May 17, 2007 at 3:49 PM
ohhh nooo I hope to get this information they didn’t have to torture them..I mean water board them.
THE HORROR!
/squeals and runs
Highrise on May 20, 2007 at 3:30 AM
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