The obligatory “Michael Moore challenges Fred! to a debate” post; Update: Fred responds to Moore
posted at 12:12 pm on May 15, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I know we’ve got to post on this but I also know it’s going to degenerate quickly into a “KICK HIS ASS, FRED!” thread. So, fine. Have at it. The fact is, it’s a masterstroke of publicity from a master publicity whore, trading on Fred’s buzz as the conservative messiah to drum up free hype for his new movie. And when Fred declines, as he will, Moore can trumpet it as proof of him knowing that the facts aren’t on his side and declare victory.
I wonder, though — what would Moore do if he was in Fred’s position, invited by someone with nothing to lose to debate on a topic where he himself had plenty to lose? Actually, I don’t need to wonder. Remember what happened when the guy who made “Michael Moore Hates America” tried to wrangle an interview with him?
Some scenes showcase Wilson’s thwarted attempts, sometimes comical, to land an interview with the elusive egalitarian. Indeed, as word got out about Wilson’s work in progress, a TV journalist asks Moore why he won’t talk to Wilson. Moore replies, “I don’t appear in anybody else’s movies but my own.” Wilson then rapidly scrolls a lengthy list of other people’s movies that Moore, yes, appeared in.
How about when lefty filmmakers Rick Caine and Debbie Melnyk tried to snag him for reaction to their critique of his work, “Manufacturing Dissent”?
The pair said they attempted to interview Moore and question him about his editing practices and his views on where the line should be drawn between factual documentary and misleading propaganda.
“We had met him at a premiere of the Columbine film in Toronto, and he said, ‘Oh yes, talk to my people and they’ll set something up’,” said Caine. “We then called his people and they said he’s not doing any more interviews in Toronto. We had his e-mail, we sent a letter to his lawyers, we had his phone number in New York. But each time he said no.”
They did more than that:
The husband-and-wife directors spent over two years making the movie, which follows Moore on his college tour promoting 2004’s “Fahrenheit 9/11.” The film shows Melnyk repeatedly approaching Moore for an interview and being rejected; members of Moore’s team also kick the couple out of the audience at one of his speeches, saying they weren’t allowed to be shooting there.
The hypocrisy game is tedious, but since he wants to play it, there you go.
Exit question: Isn’t he 100% right about Fred smoking cuban cigars, though?
Update: Cute. Click the image to watch.
Update: A reader e-mails to ask whether the “Montecristos from Havana” mentioned in the Weekly Standard article and cited by Moore might actually be Montecristos from the Dominican Republic.
Update: I don’t think it’s that great a response, but it was impressively quick and media savvy: “He turned it around in under two hours, and he did it off the top of his head essentially in one take.”
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You only debate people of the same stature you dont debate people that have no legitimacy.
If Micheal Moore wants to debate someone on his own credibility level I suggest O J Simpson.
William Amos on May 15, 2007 at 12:14 PM
Hey, Fred!, don’t forget to ask Mikey if he has figured out the difference between a soldier’s combat pay and a combat soldier’s pay?
BohicaTwentyTwo on May 15, 2007 at 12:17 PM
Dunno bout the cigars, but hey, who can blame him, Cuban cigars are good.
As for Moore, its better Fred! not play Moore’s game. The guy is a jackass, and it goes back to Rush’s principle of not arguing with fools lest you end up looking foolish yourself.
Bad Candy on May 15, 2007 at 12:18 PM
I was gonna say, doesn’t Michael Moore have everything to gain from this scenario (e.g., publicity for a movie about a subject which no one’s talking about right now). I’d love to see it happen if I thought for a second Moore had some idea what a debate actually is; that is, using facts to support one’s point of view, not simply making rude hand gestures when someone else is speaking.
saint kansas on May 15, 2007 at 12:19 PM
I hope that Fred does not even respond to this quack.
NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on May 15, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Yawn. Loophole: http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/18/pf/fortune_goodlife/
nosliwelyk on May 15, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Only if Fred! bought them with his own money.
Kid from Brooklyn on May 15, 2007 at 12:21 PM
And even then, only if they were post-embargo.
Kid from Brooklyn on May 15, 2007 at 12:24 PM
I suggest that Fred agree to the interview, at a place and time of Fred’s (FoxNew’s, perhaps on O’Reilly) choosing where MM cannot edit the debate without exposing himself to public critisim. When MM claims Fred wont debate him Fred can trot out his offer and make MM look like the fool he is. And if MM agrees then Fred can trot out MM and expose him as the fool and liar that he is. It’s a win-win for Fred.
doriangrey on May 15, 2007 at 12:26 PM
I wonder why it is that he picked Fred! in the first place.He must be making Mikey’s puppet masters a bit nervous.
bbz123 on May 15, 2007 at 12:26 PM
Don’t think I can say it any better than that!
shooter on May 15, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Answer: Nope
New York, June 19, 2001 – Members of the U.S. Congress have exempted themselves from U.S. Department of the Treasury regulations that determine the value of Cuban produced products that can legally be brought back to the U.S., according to the New York-based U.S.-Cuba Trade and Economic Council Inc.
Matticus Finch on May 15, 2007 at 12:40 PM
KICK HIS ASS, FRED!
(first to say it)
lorien1973 on May 15, 2007 at 12:43 PM
hmmm, but that’s a grammatical conundrum, isn’t it?
Fred! is normal. so if he kicks someone’s ass, and we are happy about it, does it remain Fred! or does it beocome Fred!! or possibly !Fred! (very spanish there too, so in the process of kicking ass, we are appealing to a large voting block).
lorien1973 on May 15, 2007 at 12:44 PM
or he could just ignore him and pretend he doesnt’ exist, no response.
jp on May 15, 2007 at 12:45 PM
I remember Moore was invited a couple years ago to a debate with Ann Coulter at a college campus, but he declined that too.
CP on May 15, 2007 at 12:48 PM
A minor point, admittedly, but did he really mean purveyor over say, connoisseur?
In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya: “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Citizen Duck on May 15, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Only a buffoon ANSWERS a buffoon.
This offer should have been laughed off by Drudge and by HotAir…and given no press whatsoever.
tickleddragon on May 15, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Two thoughts:
1) I believe when a reporter accused Alexander Haig of smoking Cuban cigars his reply was, “I prefer to think of it as burning their crops.”
2) The thought of this debate conjures up memories of Phil Hartman playing Frank Sinatra who said, “I’ve got chunks of guys like you in my STOOL!”
pistolero on May 15, 2007 at 12:52 PM
Note, further down in this link, a table with Cuban cigars, Montecristos (which Moore refers to) included, sold in the U.S., by non-Cuban companies.
However, Moore’s clever and self-aggrandizing “I’m smart, take that hypocrits” request aside, the problem is not the cigars; the problem is the embargo, and the smoking. These cause true harm to humans, if Moore would have any sincere interest in the topic/s, aside from bloating his wallet and belly some more.
Yes, I know, the Florida-Cubans, and others, will go ballistic. No matter, I’ve always contended that our approach to Cuba is a strange one. Sunlight is what destroys rotten bacteria and viruses.
One of my traveling dreams is still to visit a free Cuba, with an American passport.
I don’t defend Fred’s habit of smoking “the forbidden/good fruit”, but the series of prominent, and just as hypocritical, figures in the media, entertainment, business, and in politics, both aisles, who do is interminable. The sources, legal and illegal also are.
Fred should champion getting rid of tatalitarianism in the neighborhood and challenge Mr. Bloat to that discussion.
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 12:53 PM
lorien,
Wouldn’t is be ¡Fred! in Spanish?
-Fat Old Guy
(OK, I admit it. I’m an old geek. Hold the Alt key whilst typing 0161 on the numeric keypad to get the inverted exclamation point)
Fogpig on May 15, 2007 at 12:54 PM
I think his response should be “Who?”
KCSteve on May 15, 2007 at 12:56 PM
¡ Cool!
jdpaz on May 15, 2007 at 12:59 PM
“…getting rid of totalitarianism” of course
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 1:01 PM
Wow. Fred responded.
PattyAnn on May 15, 2007 at 1:03 PM
Why’d my link disappear?
PattyAnn on May 15, 2007 at 1:04 PM
Matticus Finch on May 15, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Ratbas*ards in Congress – just like exempting themselves from the Social Security. Dring the water fools, while we drink the wine -
…murmurings of the little harp-girl’s song in Heinrich Heine’s 1844 poem “A Winter’s Tale”
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 1:06 PM
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=611
PattyAnn on May 15, 2007 at 1:07 PM
Fred responded
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 1:07 PM
Sorry PattyAnn, look at the timing :)
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Entelechy, no problem. As long as people go over to see Fred! say “mental institution, Michael” Made my day.
PattyAnn on May 15, 2007 at 1:09 PM
Gee does anybody get to ask Mikey any questions? I see he has a list of his questions for Fred!
And Mikey one of the reasons the life expectancy for Americans is not higher then it is, is because of lifestyle where every want and need is at our fingertips resulting in a lot of grossly overweight, out of shape people. Not that you would notice.
LakeRuins on May 15, 2007 at 1:11 PM
Thanks for the link, PattyAnn. That was awesome. It was Fred!some.
The Monster on May 15, 2007 at 1:13 PM
Fred! responds, now linked on drudge. It’s the perfect response too.
conservativecaveman on May 15, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Montecristo brand cigars could come from either Cuba or the Dominican Republic. If the former, they are only illegal if they were imported after 1962.
Denis Ambrose on May 15, 2007 at 1:18 PM
Fred! shoots . . . he scores!
Flippin’ sweet!!!
common sensineer on May 15, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Is anyone else having trouble with sound on Fred’s response? I can see the video, but I’ve got no sound. Made sure the volume was up (and sound is working on other programs/vids today).
Hmmm….Guess I’ll have to wait until the response is posted somewhere else….unless someone knows of a quick solution?
JadeNYU on May 15, 2007 at 1:32 PM
anybody have a transcript?
dread pirate roberts on May 15, 2007 at 1:32 PM
I can’t get any sound either.
Zetterson on May 15, 2007 at 1:35 PM
Some problem… no audio.
nosliwelyk on May 15, 2007 at 1:35 PM
Same here no audio
William Amos on May 15, 2007 at 1:36 PM
Sound is fixed for me. Awesome “Mental instution Micheal….chek
William Amos on May 15, 2007 at 1:38 PM
PWN3D!
Kid from Brooklyn on May 15, 2007 at 1:40 PM
Fixed for me too (and the player looked different this time).
JadeNYU on May 15, 2007 at 1:40 PM
Yes, but I don’t know how to type it on my keyboard. Turning it upside down didn’t work :P
lorien1973 on May 15, 2007 at 1:45 PM
“KICK HIS ASS, FRED!”
Tim Burton on May 15, 2007 at 1:46 PM
AWESOME RESPONSE!!!
NeverSubmit on May 15, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Was the response presidential? Damn skippy it was!
Valiant on May 15, 2007 at 1:48 PM
That was a great response. Way to go FRED!
TBDave on May 15, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Transcript:
“You know… I’ve been looking at my schedule Michael and I don’t think I have time for you. But I’m gonna to be the least of your problems. You know, the next time you’re down in Cuba visiting your buddy Castro, you might ask him about another documentary filmmaker — name is Nicolas Guillen. He did something Castro didn’t like and they put him in a mental institution for several years, giving him devastating electro-shock treatments. Mental institution, Michael. Might be something you outta think about.”
– Senator Fred Thompson 5/15/07
nosliwelyk on May 15, 2007 at 1:50 PM
I think I’m developing a man-crush on ¡Fred!
Privatestock on May 15, 2007 at 1:54 PM
Grrr I wish I could reply to the moonbats on that video site but it wont take the correct security code
Will post my respnce here
William Amos on May 15, 2007 at 1:58 PM
Sweet. I can’t wait to get home so I can watch the video, which I cannot do at work. :)
Bob's Kid on May 15, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Beat me to it KC.
I use that one all the time, never gets old.
mojowire on May 15, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Obligitory “Fred! refuses to have a battle of the wits with an unarmed person” post.
BigOrangeAxe on May 15, 2007 at 2:05 PM
Short sweet and dismissive… Go FRED!
tickleddragon on May 15, 2007 at 2:07 PM
William,
I would also add Rosie O’Donnel, Joy Behar, Rosanne Barr, Paris Hilton, David Letterman, and Wesley Cooke – AKA Mumia Abu Jamal, as debate opponenents on the same level as Michael Moore, although they would probably all agree with one another and not even debate to begin with.
William
William2006 on May 15, 2007 at 2:08 PM
we should definately fake-elect him fake-president.
jummy on May 15, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Why would a man who plans to run for President and has done severarl articles against Cuba be smoking Cuban Cigars?
Someone who claims as much is probably smoking something besides tabacco.
Egfrow on May 15, 2007 at 2:12 PM
lorien1973 on May 15, 2007 at 1:45 PM
lorien, enable the NumLock key first, then do what fogpig told you…and you’ll get the inverted excl. mark.
Don’t forget to disable the NumLock when done :)
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Smackdown.
digitalintrigue on May 15, 2007 at 2:22 PM
AP is just angry that Fred Thompson is obviously much more savvy with the “new media” than he is. That was not only a great response, it was the greatest response in the history of responses. If you google “response” and click on the dictionary definition, it now shows this video.
frankj on May 15, 2007 at 2:23 PM
Ditto
Orange Man on May 15, 2007 at 2:25 PM
lorien1973 on May 15, 2007 at 1:45 PM
or this ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+!
Best in Fred’s response was his smoking of the cigar. It was like showing MM and his a huge FT finger and sending them to do something to themselves. I’m sure the left and the right will have lots to harp about. In the end we still have bigger fish to fry.
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 2:25 PM
Wow that was SO fake-creative.
tickleddragon on May 15, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Will you guys finally shut the hell up when he announces already, or will you just find something else to whine about?
tickleddragon on May 15, 2007 at 2:28 PM
Oh..and that was fake-sarcasm, jum.
tickleddragon on May 15, 2007 at 2:28 PM
So am I.
I’ve been a lukewarm supporter of Rudy and Mitt, but I am now, officially, a Fred! fan. My dollars, my yard sign, my door knocking…for Fred!
billy on May 15, 2007 at 2:30 PM
Oh.
Nevermind then.
Cuban cigars?
I just can’t go that far.
billy on May 15, 2007 at 2:33 PM
OOOOOOOH sweet.
Like my ol’ pappy used to say, “Yo knock yourself a pro slick, gray matter live performas down now take TCB’in man.”
see-dubya on May 15, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Inconceivable!!
AP, I’m with the other folks on this one. I’m not sure how the response could have been much smoother. Escort him to the curb, and point out one major bit of stupidity in his Marxism on the way out. Far better than a non-response, it both acknowledges that Moore has name recognition, and that he means nothing to Fred. “Oh, it’s you? No.” Pretty smooth, brevity is the soul of wit.
Beats getting into a ground war in Asia.
Freelancer on May 15, 2007 at 2:45 PM
I love this man. He won’t be run over by the Dumb Dems. I don’t really care that he is smoking a Cuban cigar. I know that members of congress do worse but lie about it. At least Fred is being honest and non-hypocrtical. Also, now the Dumb Dems can’t do an “ah ha” about this on him now :)
BTW when my husband and I were in the Bahamas last Oct. with another couple. He smoked a cuban with his buddy and they both said it was great. At least Fred has good taste and if this is the worse thing he does…
CCRWM on May 15, 2007 at 2:46 PM
the Reagan of our Century… he’s got my vote…
Kaptain Amerika on May 15, 2007 at 2:54 PM
Cuban or Dominican, doesn’t matter at least Fred! only chooses to smoke them. Fred!’s the man.
SPIFF1669 on May 15, 2007 at 3:01 PM
I know you’re blog savvy and I would presume you read the best of all the blogs, HA, Mr. Thompson. You have my vote and my thanks for treating Michael Moore with the respect he so richly deserves
Tennman on May 15, 2007 at 3:04 PM
Me too… *sigh* I cannot even see the original letter. The Drudge link goes to some flash about Mitt. I even ventured onto MM’s site (need a hot, hot shower now), and all he does is link to the same Drudge flash. ugh! Sounds like it is worth watching when I get home!
lan astaslem on May 15, 2007 at 3:04 PM
I think Fred! has learned a thing or two while watching our current President fail to adequately respond to attacks. Hit back quick, and hit back hard.
Matticus Finch on May 15, 2007 at 3:07 PM
Political chess.
The bloated socialist opens with a nasty gambit of political m@sturbation, but Fred! can easily counter with a courteous invite to doughnuts & coffee. Checkmate in two.
Exit answer: ash can.
locomotivebreath1901 on May 15, 2007 at 3:10 PM
Double entendre?
RedWinged Blackbird on May 15, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Fred Thompson is brilliant.
I hope everyone of you guys on this website votes for him. He is a true conservative…and a leader.
msipes on May 15, 2007 at 3:12 PM
LOL….
yeah yeah yeah…don’t respond to the GodzillaPuddingCup…
I disagree…he didn’t respond to Moore….he just flipped off the nutroots and said ‘be careful what you ask for’.
Good job Fred!
Limerick on May 15, 2007 at 3:21 PM
Give us you top five examples where LardAss was handled better.
Meanwhile, fast, on point, strong, humor, “I ain’t got time to play your games son”, and an overall tone of “Sure, Mikey by now the whole adult portion of the country is onto you but your media symbiosis just can’t be ignored.
I regret that. But I get that. So, here I am saying, “Stuff it fat boy.”
Stephen M on May 15, 2007 at 3:21 PM
That was the best response to Michael Moonbat Moore that I’ve heard in a long time (if not ever!).
Now, if Fred? could only respond that way with the same fervor in speeches (and actually enter the race) I would seriously consider dropping the question mark.
Note: Still looking for a plan for our nation Fred?. What’s your vision?
Darnell Clayton on May 15, 2007 at 3:37 PM
¡Fred! Rox!!I love it!
foxforce91 on May 15, 2007 at 3:43 PM
Michael Moore – interminable, bloviated dissertation “…look, I’m clever, ha, ha…you’re hypocritical, heh, heh…let’s see what you can do to counter, you entrenched conservative fool, hi, hi…grabbing chips and other food stuff all the while…”
Fred – timely, (politically-incorrectly) holding that cigar in the lefties’ faces, short smackdown.
The media didn’t even have time to analyze this by the time it was over. Next!
Someone needs to remind the children that they’re not in charge, and never will be.
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 3:53 PM
Sweeeeeet!
wytammic on May 15, 2007 at 4:08 PM
Way to go Fred, You are da Man!
KCtheKat on May 15, 2007 at 4:09 PM
Wow! 38 seconds to eviscerate Michael Moore. Pure gold!
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GT on May 15, 2007 at 4:13 PM
This is priceless. I don’t agree that it is “not that great.” It’s better than great.
Glynn on May 15, 2007 at 4:29 PM
Please run!
ttsail on May 15, 2007 at 4:33 PM
Gotta elect Fred!…
He’ll be the first one in a while, in the oval office, who knows what to do with a Cigar…
Ya know… like… smoke it?
Romeo13 on May 15, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Allah, please explain what a good response would sound like? Since it’s pretty obvious it was one helluva smackdown I’m not sure what your problem is. I don’t seem to follow your vicious hatred for Fred.
Capitalist Infidel on May 15, 2007 at 5:02 PM
hahahaha!
That’s one way to get me to get on Freds! side for a thread. Great video response to a POS that isn’t even in the same class.
csdeven on May 15, 2007 at 5:05 PM
Awesome. Has it been banned from YouTube yet?
JayHaw Phrenzie on May 15, 2007 at 5:22 PM
(Part of MM’s reasons why they should debate…)
Haha hahaha!! yea, seriously ignorant!!!!
It might actually be worth the debate just to see this miracle!
4shoes on May 15, 2007 at 5:23 PM
I was concerned that Fred would respond and then that he wouldn’t. I shouldn’t have worried… sweet. In about 30 seconds he flipped off the Moorebats and Castro while showing support for a free and democratic Cuba.
Buzzy on May 15, 2007 at 5:30 PM
See, the thing is, that Fred! doesnt’t buy those cigars in violation of the trade embargo. He confiscates them from dead traffickers of embargoed goods.
Barntender on May 15, 2007 at 5:40 PM
Excellent response Fred! Even got a haha out of csdeven! That was worth it! BTW, I wonder if MM even knows he was slapped down!
Neocon Peg on May 15, 2007 at 5:41 PM
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