Second Republican debate open thread
posted at 8:36 pm on May 15, 2007 by Ian
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Tune in tonight to the Fox News Channel at 9pm eastern. Like the previous debate, this one will last 90 minutes.
If you’re not a television, Fox News is simulcasting the debate on Fox News Radio.
We’ll have a poll up afterwards asking who won. LGF has a pre-debate straw poll. Stay tuned.
If you’re watching and see something clipworthy, don’t be a stranger.
Update (AP): The Fredheads are on the scene with literature in hand. Geraghty thinks the debate might already be over, with Fred the winner by dint of his video response to Michael Moore. It would be sweet irony if Moore, whoring for buzz for his movie, ended up inadvertently building excitement for the conservative standard bearer in the race.
WaPo expects Rudy to be in the crosshairs tonight given South Carolina’s reputation for social conservatism and Falwell’s death this morning. (Any hosanna for Falwell are likely to come from Mitt, who’s in fifth place in the state, if you can believe it, and will be looking to trumpet his values credentials.) He might get a question about 9/11 planning, too, after a former advisor produced an old memo challenging Rudy’s claim that the advisor had recommended the NYC emergency crisis center be placed in WTC 7. (Another former Giuliani aide came forward today to corroborate Rudy’s account.) The possible X-factor tonight, though, is immigration. Late word is that Republicans and Democrats have reached a compromise that would legalize illegals; neither McCain nor Rudy is going to want to talk about that, but Hotline says Tancredo plans to come out swinging so they might not have a choice. Stay tuned.
Update: The boss is liveblogging it.
Update: Huckabee says Congress has been spending money like John Edwards at a beauty shop:
Update: POLL CLOSED — RESULTS COMING SOON …
Update (BP): We have one or two video hightlights on the way. Here’s Rep. Tancredo looking for Jack Bauer.
If you think he’s kidding, here’s a clip from Laura Ingraham yesterday proving that he’s…not.
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Jack Bauer…..classic!
flyboy777 on May 15, 2007 at 10:27 PM
For once I hope you are right!
WastelandMan on May 15, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Hume threw Ron Paul a softball on the economy but he couldn’t leave well enough alone. What. An. Idiot.
Laura on May 15, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Tancredo wants Jack Bauer! Game. Set. Match.
NightmareOnKStreet on May 15, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Ron Paul is a complete nut
TheBigOldDog on May 15, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Here is ONE combat Veteran who thinks you are full of doodoo McCain.
So not ALL Ex- and Active vet agrees with you.
In fact, I note that the ones you nbamed by name are all pretty much crypto-liberals who made their rank more due to being aligned with Clinton than on merit.
I just tuned in to the debates while McCain gave that answer. Sorry I missed the earlier parts (re-run later or is anyone going to post it in entirety?) But I’m now tempted to miss the rest of it thanks to McCain.
LegendHasIt on May 15, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Yikes! Ron Paul is done. Stick a fork in him.
At least we will be able to tell the dem trolls now -
“I’m a Republican! I’m a conservative! And I support Ron Paul”
Yeah – right. Kill filter engage….
Timothy S. Carlson on May 15, 2007 at 10:29 PM
WLM, I had no idea we were that far apart. Best regards,
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 10:30 PM
Yes MITT! Great answer!
CrimsonFisted on May 15, 2007 at 10:30 PM
Romney/Huckabee 2008!
Who’s with me?
WastelandMan on May 15, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Ewwwwwwww…great question about China PWONING the USA. We need to make China trade fairly!
SouthernGent on May 15, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Been watching… no one impressed me…
and yes… torture works… personal experience.
Run FRED! Run!
Romeo13 on May 15, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Romney was good..not great
Rudy was strong when he needed to be strong and makes the points all others NEED to make..especially when he called out that nutcase RPaul…
McCain..done
Tancredo..done
Hunter..new life
Huccabee..suprising and could be a dark horse
Thompson..pathetic
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 10:31 PM
WHO Won?
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Very well done, and very informative. Great Job Fox (as expected)
rslancer14 on May 15, 2007 at 10:32 PM
Any man with the smarts to call for Jack Bauer in the clinch is the man for me!!
Tancredo-Hunter GO!!
Mellen on May 15, 2007 at 10:32 PM
Romney wins. Huckabee, Guliani, Tancredo all had moments. A few extra negatives for Guiliani and McCain tonight. The rest don’t matter. Paul is still falling down the abyss.
RobertCSampson on May 15, 2007 at 10:32 PM
I agree.
CrimsonFisted on May 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Guiliani/Tancredo ticket anyone?
NightmareOnKStreet on May 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Fred!
Laura on May 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Damn – Mitt is smooth. Too bad I get a bad feeling about his real stands on Choice, 2nd Amendment, and Sanctity of Marriage.
Now if Tancredo had Mitt’s smoothness…
Run Fred! Run!
Timothy S. Carlson on May 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
POLL Please Bryian
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
LegendHasIt, C-Span will probably rerun it soon. Probably FOX a bit later, as they will have interviews with all participants first.
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
I don’t know that anyone did. I know who lost, though. It seemed like everyone won a different round.
amerpundit on May 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Sorry bout that all this text flying before my ADD riddled brain!
No offense meant!
Best regards right back atcha!
WastelandMan on May 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
This so-called “debate” format sucks.
franksalterego on May 15, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Huccabee sends one across the bow! Yee Ha!
sonnyspats1 on May 15, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Useless platitudes.
Paul cooked his goose- look to see how he does on the web polls. It should reveal how much of his support is from lib democrats.
Valiant on May 15, 2007 at 10:36 PM
flyboy777 on May 15, 2007 at 10:36 PM
I would LOVE to see:
Fred!/Duncan!
Could live with
Fred!/Rudy
Fred!/Romney
Any of the above will do….and perhaps Huckabee in there BUT I am VERY SUSPECT of another Gov from Arkansas!
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 10:36 PM
I’m kind of surprised at you guys… I found McCain’s repeat annoying. It’s like he’s pandering to people who like talking points and slogans, and that’s not what the right is about. It would have been one thing to say it, but he was repeating word for word a line he just used a week or so ago. It’s as stupid as his dozen or so times he said “lighten up and get a life”.
That comment on the other hand was great.
(disclaimer: I’m catching up as I just fired up the DVR and hit play from the beginning about 10 minutes ago)
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 10:36 PM
It was all good stuff. This fall and winter is going to be a riot. Bomb the bastards vs Bomb the bastards!
Limerick on May 15, 2007 at 10:36 PM
So what debate format would you rather see?
flyboy777 on May 15, 2007 at 10:37 PM
My favorite line (in response to Ron Paul):
Romney- “I think we should all get 30 seconds on that”
mojowire on May 15, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Rudy on Fox: He [Paul] did the same thing as the Saudi Prince did. It’s America’s fault. I usually hear this from the Democrat side, not the Republican side. I gave him his $10M back…
TheBigOldDog on May 15, 2007 at 10:38 PM
McCain doesn’t just reach across the aisle –He is in the other aisle….This guy is doomed and his Illegal diatribe is baloney…he has run from his disastrous position since Iowa…What a friggin clown!
Mellen on May 15, 2007 at 10:38 PM
Yep….GOOD!
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 10:38 PM
Best of the Night
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 10:39 PM
Time for Fred! to get in the game.
infidel4life on May 15, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Rudy’s after interview on Fox is VERY good!
I hope they do EACH candidate..except for RP…
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 10:40 PM
But he called for a F’n fictional character….
Shoulda called for Demo Dick Marchincho…
Hollywood vs. Reality… a large part of the problem IMO.
Romeo13 on May 15, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Rudy wants all illegal immigrants who commit other crimes, thrown out of the country, as well as those who don’t come forward to apply for a green card.
amerpundit on May 15, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Slap Colmns, Please!
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 10:41 PM
My thought every time I bother to watch H&C
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 10:42 PM
oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhssssssss SORRY..MEANT to quote;
Slap Colmns, Please!
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 10:41 PM
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Paul getting slammed behind the scenes by the spinsters. The man is a whack job. He should be kicked into the gutter.
TheBigOldDog on May 15, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Once the sound bite gets circulated, Silky Pony is history, courtesy of Gov. Huckabee.
Did Ron(Puke)Paul forget that America’s Mayor was on the the same stage, along with what really happened on 9/11?
A winner? I’m still waiting for Fred!
kevcad on May 15, 2007 at 10:42 PM
WastelandMan on May 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Not at all taken as an offense – just couldn’t recall you opposing my comments previously.
All’s well – we’re on the same side :)
labwrs, I like your combinations – above all, I’m happy you’re commenting. Like to see more of you here. All the best,
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 10:43 PM
I think Rudy won this one, his slap down of RP was very good.
djohn669 on May 15, 2007 at 10:45 PM
For Sure
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 10:45 PM
McCain is infuriating. Refuses to acknowledge how are soldiers ARE treated when captured. Instead he keeps arguing hypothetical.
TheBigOldDog on May 15, 2007 at 10:46 PM
first time I had seen McCain use that line, sorry. whatever u do, don’t take me for a McCain supporter.. yikes
RobertCSampson on May 15, 2007 at 10:46 PM
Who Won????
My Vote????
Thompson / Gingrich in 08!
They won.
Romeo13 on May 15, 2007 at 10:48 PM
McCain isnt doing any better on the after debate interview on H&C..I think he is done.
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Colmes doesn’t understand how they’d follow us home…I often wonder about him, lately.
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Colmes on the following us home – “Iraq never even had long range missiles, how are they going to follow us home?”
Is he not aware of al Queda in Iraq? Tool.
Laura on May 15, 2007 at 10:49 PM
I’druther see one-on-one debates…A lottery, to see “who” debates “who,” once a week for the whole election cycle.
franksalterego on May 15, 2007 at 10:49 PM
Colmes is intellectually disadvantaged by being an UBERliberal…it impedes one’s thought capacity by filling the brain with mindless drivel…….
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 10:50 PM
I think they should pare down the next debate to 3 candidates.
djohn669 on May 15, 2007 at 10:51 PM
I think Huckabee would be a great VP candidate. He’ll whip Obama’s ass when he accepts to be Hillary’s running mate.
I think Rudy did well, but Mitt Romney appeared the most presidential of them all. Tie?
SouthernGent on May 15, 2007 at 10:51 PM
The sad part of it all……it is the current administration who will decide the fate of this election.
Unless they get off their bhinds and slaps down congress and burns down terror networks Billary takes the walk down Pennsylvania avenue. All these candidates can sound as tough on terror as they want but if the public thinks Iraq is lost then the GOP doesn’t have a chance. The American Idol crowd will kick Jack Bauer’s ass.
Limerick on May 15, 2007 at 10:51 PM
eeeeeeeeee Mcain
As they say in our dear old Ireland “FEK”
get this goober (yes I respect his heroism *yawn*) off the frickin stage!!!!!!
WastelandMan on May 15, 2007 at 10:51 PM
I don’t understand how his wife, who is Jewish lives with him, the way He takes up for the Muslim countries.
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 10:52 PM
The Crypt Keeper just uses the Left’s talking points. “How are they going to follow us home? They don’t have planes or long range missiles.”
No Allen, they just hijack ours and fly them into building you idiotic fool.
TheBigOldDog on May 15, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Fred/Watts for me.
Watts is great and one of the best Conservative Blacks in the US. It would also neutralize Obama as VP for the most part.
Tim Burton on May 15, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Fabulous ticket! I agree BUT JC Watts is out of politics and the public eye right now…altho so was Cheney! I think this is absolutely brilliant! I really admire JCW and he (as another Southerner) really brings another view that is SO lacking to the ticket. WOW..GREAT idea!
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Thompson/Steele, anyone?
Gingrich/Steele, anyone?
SouthernGent on May 15, 2007 at 10:57 PM
STEELE!
He’s there commenting when he should be running!
(at least as Veep)
WastelandMan on May 15, 2007 at 10:57 PM
labwrs good points…
My take:
Romney started strong, then the others slammed him.
Hunter.. May be my new favorite.
Rudy.. not as over as I thought
McCain.. fat lady singing
Tancredo..breathing still, pulse weak
Huccabee..suprising but too little too late
Thompson..weak
Paul… Who is this guy? Can you troll a debate?
BadBrad on May 15, 2007 at 10:59 PM
Tancredo makes a good point with his desire to get together with Jack.
I would vote for Richardson before I would vote for Ron Paul. After seeing him tonight I’m certain there is something mentally wrong with him. Maybe he has Alzheimer’s?
Rudy looked good but Newt won the debate. :oP
DannoJyd on May 15, 2007 at 10:59 PM
Oh yea… Romney + Assault weapons ban = me voting elsewhere
BadBrad on May 15, 2007 at 11:00 PM
Watts is great on the war and great on immigration but I like him best because he complimented The Gitmo Cookbook on Don Imus. Sales shot way up that day. :-)
Laura on May 15, 2007 at 11:00 PM
EEEEWWWWWWWWW That fat &#$#*#@@!!!##@#$
is my govenor…. but your right I would vote fopr him before RuPaul…
WastelandMan on May 15, 2007 at 11:00 PM
Mitt just made the point about how our soldiers ARE treated.
TheBigOldDog on May 15, 2007 at 11:02 PM
As a Southerner, a Georgian and a woman, I simply will NOT vote for Newt. I admire him, I like him BUT he is a faithless philanderer who broke the news to his wife (I think #2) he was leaving her while she was in hospital with cancer…and cheated on the next wife with current wife he “met in church”…ummmmmm…….no. I think policy wise he is brilliant but as a leader…he is a CAD..period
STEELE…yep..see him in there as a VP with NO problem! Altho I do like JCW a bit better for his experience but both are GREAT men who would serve this country VERY well!
And set up as the next Pres a black Conservative…ironic and Lincoln (whom I personally despise) would have a continued legacy. (Lincoln was right for all the wrong reasons and wrong execution of the Northern Aggression–just my opinion)
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 11:03 PM
And the third party(fourth party) race begins in 4,3,2…1
McCain
Hagel
Bloomberg
Limerick on May 15, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Hannity what is this text message vote poll crap???!!!
what a slanted poll thats gonna be!
WastelandMan on May 15, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Libs voye for Paul on FOX
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Not sure if anybody won, but pretty sure Ron Paul lost.
Tantor on May 15, 2007 at 11:06 PM
What a joke. Ron Paul is winning the Fox News after debate poll. How pathetic must your life be if you spend your time spamming polls for an insane midget.
forged rite on May 15, 2007 at 11:07 PM
First place RON PAUL in text messaging? SHEEEEEEEESH…how RIDICULOUS! He is NUTS….this is the same group that keeps pushing him..cultlike it seems to me……just another reason (IF we needed one!) to 86 this fruitloop
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 11:07 PM
Birchers vote for Paul – he’s been their guy for years.
Laura on May 15, 2007 at 11:07 PM
Okay, what’s the deal with the Ron Paul text-message-lanche?
RD on May 15, 2007 at 11:07 PM
No kidding. I think McCain has reached across the aisle way too much – to the point of writing so much wrong legislation. Whatever happened to standing up for conservative values and NOT letting those values get watered down for the sake of “reaching across the aisle”?
thedecider on May 15, 2007 at 11:08 PM
That’s the Left freeping the poll.
TheBigOldDog on May 15, 2007 at 11:08 PM
I blame democratic pranksters.
thedecider on May 15, 2007 at 11:08 PM
Just in case anyone isnt clear…RP is a LIBERTARIAN masquerading as a Republican…….therefore the “LIB” TAG
AHA!! FAIRTAX DISCUSSION…GREAT!! Apparently a HUGE rally turned out across the street from the debate FOR the FT…go to boortz.com for details!
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Thanks.
Looks like foxnews.com has it on streaming video… three parts, but it looks like I’ll be able to catch up on their website.
LegendHasIt on May 15, 2007 at 11:10 PM
The media is swarming Paul. I can’t wait to see how they treat him tomorrow. Any guesses? Hero or Nutjob?
TheBigOldDog on May 15, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Am I the only one surprised by Tancredo tonight? He came across much stronger than I ever thought he was. He moved up several notches on the serious list.
thedecider on May 15, 2007 at 11:10 PM
no doubt…there aren’t that many Birchers out there!
Limerick on May 15, 2007 at 11:11 PM
Are there any polls on-line that WE can vote in?
[@#*#&!!^&#@$%]DannoJyd on May 15, 2007 at 11:12 PM
Since it’s the media swarming him, he’ll be declared the winner of tonight’s debate.
thedecider on May 15, 2007 at 11:12 PM
Could the Paul vote be sarcasm?
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 11:13 PM
True, but they are organized and committed – they’ll dial their little fingers to the bone for their guy. I got two emails today reminding me to do it.
Laura on May 15, 2007 at 11:13 PM
No..unfortunately it is well known in these parts (the South) that RP has a RABID cultlike following and they SLAM polls and do excessive emails, etc trying to get RP exposure..if you didnt see Cavuto today I suggest trying to find his interview with RP where he references it…also check out boortz..he talks about how the RP fanatics constantly inundate him to try and get RP on the boortz show…that alone is enough to be suspicious of the man..and after tonite..hopefully he is toast
labwrs on May 15, 2007 at 11:13 PM
OK who is voting for that nut Ron Paul ? come one show of hands here ?
We know its you honora.
William Amos on May 15, 2007 at 11:14 PM
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