CNN: Al Qaeda collapsing in Anbar?
posted at 1:11 pm on May 15, 2007 by Allahpundit
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An amazing clip, not only given the source but the stakes:
A U.S. troop pullout from Iraq would leave the country as a potent launchpad for international terrorism and Washington would be forced to go back in within a couple of years, a leading al Qaeda expert said on Tuesday.
Rohan Gunaratna told a security conference at Lloyd’s of London insurance market that Iraq, like Afghanistan in the 1990s, would become a “terrorist Disneyland” where al Qaeda could build up its strength unchallenged.
If U.S., British and other coalition troops withdrew from Iraq in the next year, he said, “certainly the scale of attacks that would be mounted inside Iraq, and using Iraq as a launching pad to strike other Western countries — countries in Europe, North America - would become such that after two or three years, the U.S. forces will have to go back to Iraq.”
Here’s Nic Robertson on the scene in Anbar province tracking the progress of “the awakening.” This is where Gunaratna’s launching pad will be built if the troops are ordered out before the Sunnis have secured the area. Norm Coleman promised an audience in Minneapolis last night that American troops will be out of Baghdad by 2008 even if that means a new Rwanda. Credit him, at least, for framing the terms of the debate accurately.
One part CNN didn’t mention: if you believe Jalal Talabani, the government’s also having some success now in negotiating with non-AQ elements of the insurgency. That could just be him blowing smoke to show the war skeptics in America a sign of progress, but his point about insurgents starting to worry more about Iranian influence than American rings true. In fact, in what may be the best proof of CNN’s point, the most fanatic jihadist Sunni cleric in Iraq tells Time magazine that even he’s finished with AQ now.
As leader of the Association of Muslim Scholars (AMS), the largest Sunni clerical body, [Harith] al-Dari is the sect’s most prominent figure in Iraq. Many U.S. military commanders and Iraqi government officials believe he is the spiritual head of the insurgency, and accuse his son Muthanna of personally commanding a deadly terror group known as the Brigades of the 1920 Revolution (named after an anti-British uprising led by Harith al-Dari’s grandfather). Both al-Daris deny direct connection with the Brigades, but say Sunni insurgent groups are part of a legitimate, nationalist resistance to occupation. He has given religious sanction to some of the insurgency’s more controversial tactics, such as kidnapping and killing foreigners, citing precedents from Islamic history…
Al-Dari says the “harsh actions” — suicide bombings and attacks on civilian targets — of al-Qaeda’s foreign fighters in Iraq are “unacceptable.” He also accuses the group of trying to take over sole command of the fight against the Americans, pushing aside home-grown insurgent groups. But there may also be a personal reason for al-Dari’s change of heart: his nephew, also known as Harith and a top commander of the Brigades, was murdered by al-Qaeda in March.
I blogged about his nephew’s murder at the time; the whole al-Dari tribe, it seems is split between pro- and anti-AQ factions, with uncle Harith leading the sympathizers — until now. Don’t expect him to be negotiating with the U.S., though: he still hates the occupation, although, per Talabani, he seems to hate the “Persians” in the Iraqi government more. Baby steps, I guess.
Speaking of Iranian influence, I’m going to leave you with the must-read of the day. It’s probably overblown, but so sweet and so perfectly in line with one of the key goals of the U.S. invasion that I can’t resist. Too good to be true?
Iran’s ruling clerics have long prided themselves on running the world’s only Shi’ite Muslim state — a state that imposes religion, dictating what imams can preach, what the media can report, and what people can wear.
So some Iranians are intrigued by the more freewheeling experiment in Shi’ite empowerment taking place across the border in Iraq, where — Iraq’s myriad problems aside — imams can say whatever they want in political Friday sermons, newspapers and satellite channels regularly slam the government, and religious observance is respected and encouraged but not required.
In Tehran’s storied central bazaar, an increasing number of merchants are sending their religious donations, a 20 percent tithe expected from all who can spare it, to Iraq’s most senior Shi’ite cleric — rather than to clerics closer to Iran’s state power structure, said Jawad al-Ghaie, 48, a wholesaler of false eyelashes and nail extensions and a respected lay donor…
[E]ver since US-sponsored elections brought the Shi’ite majority to power, Iraq’s imperfect liberation has quietly influenced the debate among religious Shi’ites about the role of religion in government…
“We believe that politics is separate from religion,” said Iraq’s ambassador to Iran, Mohammed Majid al-Sheikh. “Of course there are debates about this. If Iran wants to take on these debates, it will benefit. And I could say that the experiment of Iraq will ripple throughout the Middle East.”
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if we are actually influencing democratic thoughts in Iran by our actions in Iraq then everything might just be worth it. I’m starting to think we don’t need to actually attack Iran but massage and build up the pro democratic elements in that country so that eventually they can topple Mahmoud and the Mullahs.
Defector01 on May 15, 2007 at 1:27 PM
I and other un-repentent neocons want to hear this very badly. That is why I reject it out of hand as made-up propaganda from Iran.
Show me a pro-Sistani demonstration in Iran that is crushed by the police, and then I might believe it.
Anton on May 15, 2007 at 1:39 PM
CNN? CNN?
abinitioadinfinitum on May 15, 2007 at 1:48 PM
What the hell else do they think will happen? How long has it taken them to figure this out?
Rick on May 15, 2007 at 1:56 PM
When I saw this I thought the same thing-This is CNN?
Catie96706 on May 15, 2007 at 2:08 PM
Progress being made and being reported by Cnn…my, my, my…
Hey there Catie hope all is well …robo
robo on May 15, 2007 at 2:23 PM
This is a mountain made of a molehill.
PRCalDude on May 15, 2007 at 2:36 PM
What a great concept. S/b followed everywhere, here too.
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 2:37 PM
By “here” I meant the U.S., not HA.
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 2:38 PM
I think that’s Sistani’s belief, not a shi’ite belief. Sistani’s belief in this matter is more in line with what the Iranian citizen wants to hear.
PRCalDude on May 15, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Honora commenting in 3,500,000….3,499,999…3,499,998….
ej_pez on May 15, 2007 at 3:23 PM
The must read is for the cautiously optimistic, but the old adage applies - follow the money:
Sumthin’s up.
And with its finger in the wind, CCN is simply hedging its bets (success has many father’s, etc….).
Zoom, zoom, zoom.
locomotivebreath1901 on May 15, 2007 at 3:24 PM
With all the ’side’ choosing lately, then stitch it together with Dinnerjacket/Cheney comments these last couple of weeks it looks like ready or not here comes ‘the’ war. UN nuke inspectors give out bad news, Pak erupts in violence, Israel staging attack drills, and if you follow the announcements out of the Pentagon there are more then a few Navy boys dusting off seabags and 35,000 Army/Marines set to be put back on the sand in August. ….nah…what am I thinking???….it is all just a coincidence.
Limerick on May 15, 2007 at 3:46 PM
There must be enough good news there that CNN feels like it needs to cover it. They don’t want to be left looking like complete idiots just in case the place cleans up. I find that encouraging.
jdpaz on May 15, 2007 at 5:39 PM
I’ve been watching CNN (and even MSNBC for that matter) moving towards the common sense center on the GWOT lately and wondering exactly how Hillary, Edwards, and Obama are going to handle the switch up. People much smarter than me have explained that the MSM finally understands that moving to a more conservative venue means more viewers and I would think that a moderate center Democrat candidate would garner more voters but they may have entrenched too deeply with the nutroots to effect the change. Could play well for Richardson I suppose.
Buzzy on May 15, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Not much of a comparison in what the two sides offer:
Death, death, death, repression, Iranian domination, 8th Century economics, and death.
or
Self-determination, freedom backed by actual rule of law (non-Sharia), religion respected but not ruling, economic opportunity and sharing some of the oil revenues around (instead of it being the Dictator’s piggy bank).
I can see why some might change direction in Iraq. As for the Iranians, they have seemed to grow tired of the heavy hand of the mullocracy - and they are not exactly a non-sophisticated bunch either. They probably figure they could handle all that freedom stuff fairly well themselves.
major john on May 15, 2007 at 5:48 PM
Interesting read on London, yes in Britain:
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 5:53 PM
Honora commenting in 3,500,000….3,499,999…3,499,998….
ej_pez on May 15, 2007 at 3:23 PM
ROFL Oh just you stop that.
sonnyspats1 on May 16, 2007 at 1:34 AM
I think its time I start my investment in the Iraqi Dinar, their cheap enough. They make up for it on the gas prices though, I think its like five cents a gallon.
sonnyspats1 on May 16, 2007 at 1:40 AM