Video: Degenerate beats, carjacks 91-year-old WWII vet
posted at 10:25 pm on May 14, 2007 by Allahpundit
It’s like a triple shot of espresso — watch it once and you’ll be groovin’ on homicidal rage for the rest of the night. Note especially the crowd of cowards standing 10 feet away with their hands in their pockets while the sweet old guy gets pounded.
Thankfully, the story ends happily.
What’s more amazing: the fact that he’s okay or the fact that he’s still driving at his age? Click the image to watch.
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saw this earlier. 2 of the people in the crowd were with the beater.
I say I hope he likes the free mails and sex he will get in prison. Which I hope lasts a very long time
William Amos on May 14, 2007 at 10:37 PM
I saw this earlier as well…those people with him should get time as accomplices!
DCJeff on May 14, 2007 at 10:41 PM
Should be free MEALS. But guess mail will do.
Here is something to lighten up this thread. I saw red after I first watched that video
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=284468&cache=1
William Amos on May 14, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Update: I saw on the news that the perp was arrested. He’s a 22 year old pretty boy. He could get life. (Here’s hopin’.)
Mojave Mark on May 14, 2007 at 10:58 PM
People are saying this thug hit him so many times because he wouldn’t fall, due to being wedged between the door and adjacent car.
I like to think the old guy, tuff as nails from going up against the Axis powers all those years ago, was laughing and saying “That the best ya got punk? You hit like my great-great-grandchild!”.
mojowire on May 14, 2007 at 11:01 PM
Scum of the earth.
Catch him. Imprison him. Throw away the key.
I hope the people of Detroit are beating a path to the door of Mr. Sims, bringing with them words of encouragement and anything else this elderly gent may need to sustain himself.
fogw on May 14, 2007 at 11:04 PM
Those people that just stood by should be charged with criminal indifference, if not kicked in the numbers for being supreme douche bags.
Reason #1576 NOT to go to Detroit.
Sammy316 on May 14, 2007 at 11:04 PM
In Michigan? Forget prison. Instead, have Ted Nugent hunt this scumbag down with a crossbow.
tommy1 on May 14, 2007 at 11:09 PM
For such an old guy he sure took those 20+ punches pretty damn well.
tommy1 on May 14, 2007 at 11:15 PM
I’m glad they caught the p.o.s. It’s too bad…back in the good old days, he wouldn’t have looked so good for his mug shot.
Too bad we don’t treat car theft like we used to treat horse theft. The prosecutor should do everything he can do find a judge who is a vet.
reaganaut on May 14, 2007 at 11:17 PM
mojowire,
Maybe so, but the guy wasn’t slumping like he was knocked out. That punk’s fighting skills better improve dramatically by the time he he arrives in the pen.
Reaganaut,
Ah yes, the good old days. A relative of mine who was an LAPD officer in the mid- and late-60s has told me about those good old days and what he’d do to any POS like this or any punk he thought had gotten back out on the streets a little too early.
Sammy316,
Detroit sucks, doesn’t it?
tommy1 on May 14, 2007 at 11:28 PM
he’s the reason cops used to take people out behind the building and kick the crap out of them. He deserved it
Defector01 on May 14, 2007 at 11:30 PM
It doesn’t surprise me that there was such indifference given that this was detroit. The people standing by actually looked like thugs themselves. They were probably the lookouts! THeir cavalier attitude tells me that they probably wouldn’t work (or report) with the cops anyway let alone step in and defend this guy. Hell I’m a female and I would have grabbed something and threw at the guy or screamed calling 911.
I’m RELIEVED that that elderly man is ok. I am glad they got a tape of this…It HAS to have impact I hope on the perps sentence..and it should be very very very longggggg…none of this..he is young crap and can be rehabilitated.
Highrise on May 14, 2007 at 11:37 PM
If there’s any justice they will give the old man his regulation M1 back and let him practice some bayonet thrusts on the asshole.
BacaDog on May 14, 2007 at 11:38 PM
O’Reilly just did a segment on this and he obviously wouldn’t dare to say it, and I doubt many here will… but race is involved in the fact that those other people stood by and did nothing. It’s the old ghetto “don’t be a snitch” mentality, plus the sense of entitlement many black youths feel, increasingly with each generation. What do you think would have happened if it had been some white methhead attacking an old black man? Ban me if I’m being racist, but I’ve seen this kind of thing firsthand. When a crime is being committed along these lines by a black on a white, if there are young black men standing around who don’t know the white guy, there’s generally no good Samaritan mentality. It’s just look the other way, if not stand there and laugh “Oh snap! He got knocked the f** out!”.
Just ask yourself this, honestly… Do you think it’s likely that 4 or 5 white teens/20 somethings would have stood by like nothing was going on, regardless of the race of the one doing the beating and the 90 year old man?
RightWinged on May 14, 2007 at 11:42 PM
The way the justice system seems to be working lately, he’ll be out on probation.
RightWinged on May 14, 2007 at 11:43 PM
In Detroit, I wouldn’t count on anybody doing the right thing. I recall hearing a story from Detroit a few years back where, during a road rage incident on a bridge, a man got out of his vehicle, dragged a woman in another vehicle out of her car and threw her off the bridge to her death in front of tons of other drivers. There were innumerable witnesses, but nobody did anything to stop the guy. That’s Detroit.
tommy1 on May 14, 2007 at 11:47 PM
I take back part of that, it appears that Mr. Sims is in fact black himself… but that’s really irrelevant to the point about the still growing problem with black youth. Though it may be worse in this case, as someone above said that some of those onlookers were with this thug
RightWinged on May 14, 2007 at 11:50 PM
Well there’s definitely some of that here too.
RightWinged on May 14, 2007 at 11:51 PM
Rightwinged…
It ain’t race. It’s the culture that pervades. I watched the 2nd video. Mr Sims wife talked like these kids hadn’t even gotten the basic moral education. Like, respect elders, don’t steal, etc.
Many poor kids don’t have father figures and all they know is THE THUGLIFE. White,black,asian, etc. That kind of upbringing is not going to result in upstanding citizenry and the Liberals are doing the best to keep these people in their welfare hovels, just so they can get a reliable vote.
/ghettofab
Plenty of “white” kids would have done and pulled of the same stunt. This just happened in Detroit.
So yes, what you said is racist. But, it’s a damned racist world out there.
James on May 14, 2007 at 11:58 PM
Yep. Pretty angry right now. That’s one tuff old man though. I’ll bet if he had been in his 70′s, he would have done some stompin’ of his own on that pos. Breaks your heart to see him all bruised, but his wife shaming the people who stood around doing nothing is excellent.
forged rite on May 14, 2007 at 11:59 PM
What Rightwinged said wasn’t racist. Bill Cosby has been saying the same thing for a while now.
forged rite on May 15, 2007 at 12:06 AM
Of course there’s an element of that, but the problem dominates in young “black culture”. I know it sounds racist to say, which is why I said “go ahead and call it racist”, but it’s real too. Sure, there are plenty of scum bag white kids. But play the odds man.
What happened when some neo-nazis planned (and didn’t even get to have) a march in Toledo a couple years ago? Remember? Hundreds of black youths terrorized a neighborhood. Destroyed a local store and burned down a local bar (that had no relation to this out of state neo-nazi group), threw bricks and anything they could get their hands on and police cars and ambulances. Do white youths do this whenever the Nation of Islam or the New Black Panther plans a march?
It’s a culture of this behavior that does apply more to blacks than other races, and that’s just a fact whether you feel the facts are racist or not.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 12:11 AM
It certainly comes off as racist. It really shouldn’t be a matter of race at all. It’s a matter of decency as human beings and these people lack that. We have a whole generation of youth in the core cities that don’t know anything but hos, pimping, drugs, rat a tat tat, killing cops, general debauchery etc. Whether it’s mexicans, whites, blacks, asian, et al. It’s happening and what Ms Sims says, those are things that should be taught to these kids when they are developing into adults. Education should be an emphasis and an acknowledgement that much of this ghetto,rap, gang lifestyle is infecting and stunting a generatation. I am not all about limiting what is put out content and consumption wise for adults, but for sure the kids parents need to be involved to prepare them for that kind of culture and music and life. Just like Farfur the islamic mickey mouse is infecting kids in Palestine, Akon and Snoop Dogg are infecting our youth. If they grow up in it, its not to be surprising when they tend to emulate it.
James on May 15, 2007 at 12:13 AM
I am sure the rapper Cam’ron would have stepped in to help and provide a statement to the police.
EnochCain on May 15, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Ya, but Bill Cosby isn’t cool because he doesn’t use the f-word every 8 seconds in his act.
Who was that recent “hip-hop” clown who was encouraging his “peeps” not to help out the police? That’s who they listen to.
reaganaut on May 15, 2007 at 12:15 AM
Mrs. Sims.
James on May 15, 2007 at 12:16 AM
You’re right. It all started with replacing Dad with Uncle Sam.
It’s really that simple.
reaganaut on May 15, 2007 at 12:17 AM
And by the way, I’ve had a lot of young black men friends in my life, but they are embarrassed by this kind of sh** because they know how pervasive it is in their “communities”. I actually went out with an 18 year old black girl from the ghetto (and I mean the ghetto, I had no business there) when I was 19 and had just moved to Nashville. She and friends of hers would talk about criminal behavior like it was funny and no big deal. Her brother was in jail for shooting someone “but it wasn’t his fault, the other guy shot him first” (riiiiight). Her sister had her third kid, with 3 different guys before she turned 21 and wasn’t raising any of them, her grandmother was. All her and her siblings, and siblings children were being raised at their “Grammamma house”, and this seemed to be the case for most people in the surrounding neighborhoods. She laughed when telling me a story about her sister stabbing someone in high school “she pulled it out and there was meat on it, hahahahaha!”
I witnessed downtown Nashville go downhill when 3 hiphop (translation: black) clubs opened up. Shootings suddenly became regular, and the cops started having to block certain streets to get ready for the scary closing time when they had to stand in sort of riot lines shouting through megaphones while fights were breaking out all over Second Avenue. Luckily most of these places were shut down after a couple years. But I’ve witnessed this first hand.
Sure, there’s plenty of problem with the younger generations and “the culture”, but these issues dominate the minority communities, especially blacks. And half the time when you find a white scumbag to compare to these thugs, they are of the variety that are desperately trying to be black in the first place. Don’t act like you don’t know the types of kids I’m talking about. The ones who all think they’re the next Eminem.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 12:20 AM
Who is this guy? There oughta be some kind of show of support. If anyone knows the contact info, count me in for $100 to help this hero and his lovely wife.
Damn.
BacaDog on May 15, 2007 at 12:20 AM
You’re right it shouldn’t be a race problem… but that doesn’t mean it’s not. And you’re right about one thing, the parents need to be better parents. But again, this parenting/fatherless problem is WAY worse in the black community. Again, the call the facts racist if you wish.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 12:22 AM
I saw this earlier on O’Reilly and it looked like the attacker almost hit the victim’s hand when he drove away slowly, as if he’d always owned the car.
The onlookers are depleted of humanity, or never had any to begin with.
At an airport gathering last Saturday I met two Tuskigi Airmen, one of which lives in Oceanside, CA, and is quite known in the area. The other was his visiting buddy. One just wants to hug them, and thank them. They were in excellent shape. This gentleman also deserved much better.
Can we organize to do something for him and his family?
Entelechy on May 15, 2007 at 12:22 AM
Oh, and as I briefly mentioned earlier, the sense of entitlement can’t be understated. When you grow up expected things for free as your family milks the welfare system generation after generation, aside from lack of parenting, you have to acknowledge that some people simply don’t see how truly wrong it is to take what you don’t deserve. When you’ve worked for what you have and seen others do the same, you have a respect for personal property. But when you grow up sucking of the government, while hating that same government, you feel like everyone owes you something and you’re “just tryna get paid!”
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 12:25 AM
Rightwinged, and you just proved it’s not race, it’s culture.
There is noting inherently black about this type of behavior. It just happens to be all pervavisve in the poorer black communities and Conservative in my mind have the correct attitude about raising them up out of the ghetto, whereas the DNC would rather them stay put there and keep pulling the lever for Democrats.
All these ghettos are administered by predominantly Democratic city councils and governments, many corrupt to the core. The cities are in decay and the tax base moves further and further out.
When will people wake up and realize they need to be self-starters, responsible for themselves and vote out the pols that keep them “down”.
James on May 15, 2007 at 12:26 AM
Ever see the movie Boyz in the Hood?…kind of like real life…its someone else’s fault not theirs.
EnochCain on May 15, 2007 at 12:30 AM
I’m black.
Don’t live in Detroit.
But I carry where I do live and if I’d been there a .45 auto round would have screwed through that perp’s ear, no question.
Hate is everywhere, vile speech and habits, the young beat up on the old, life is no longer sacred but cheap, still there are many who just don’t get it that removing Christianity from our society for whatever reasons is a crackpot and deadly endeavor.
For those who think it is a racial problem, evidently you have selective vision when it comes to the news stories we see today. Keep your head in the sand and one day it will be YOUR butt gettin’ kicked by — Evil people. The devil is not selective by race, creed nor color.
Wisdom starts with the fear of God.
It is written in the New Testament, gospel of Luke, that “a strong man, armed, keepeth his house safe.”
Meanwhile, our congress of lawyers continues to pass more and more laws that they then take away the people’s power to enforce, hamstringing the police and courts at every turn, taking away the people’s God given right to defend themselves from such evils at every turn, declaring “gun free” zones and occasionally prosecuting good people who defend themselves from evil people.
The Machine reserves the right to discriminate the good from the evil.
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The Machine on May 15, 2007 at 12:35 AM
What do you say then about black people who blame all of their ills on whites etc.?….seems pretty racial to me.
EnochCain on May 15, 2007 at 12:38 AM
EnochCain the best thing to do is ignore it and keep soldiering on. Prevail through hard work and don’t get caught up on what so and so thinks of you.
Promote conservative values and know that capitalism and family centric values will solve much of what ills this country.
James on May 15, 2007 at 12:43 AM
I’m not attempting to claim that it’s their skin color that makes them do it… As I noted I know plenty of black people who are embarrassed by this problem in their communities. But it does dominate black communities, and it’s not getting better, it’s getting worse by the day.
As someone else noted, I’m just saying what Bill Cosby says all the time, it’s just not okay because I’m not black… but I’m not blind either and this problem is much bigger with black youth. And where is the vocal push for change in the “black community”? White scumbags are viewed (correctly) as scumbags, but far too often black thugs are considered victims of their culture. When does the black community fix itself? Why is it worse now than it was a couple generations ago?
As I noted earlier with the Toledo example… can you ever see something like that happening in a white community? Even in the slummiest trailer park, do you see just the idea of a New Black Panther Party march causing hundreds of white youths in to the streets destroying and burning down unrelated businesses and attacking police and rescue workers for no apparent reason? It’s not their skin color making them do it, but it is a problem in their community that leads to this and I’m just sick of seeing it time and time again and having them be treated as isolated incidents of random crimes. It’s like whenever an unhinged liberal does something… every time it is objectionable enough to elicit some media coverage, liberals come out to say “you can’t paint all liberals this way, we don’t condone that behavior”… But you have to wonder why it is that violence and unhinged behavior is so common on the left and not on the right? Not all liberals are going to shoot up a Republican’s campaign headquarters or run someone off the road for a Dubya sticker, or slash tires, or throw pies, or shout down speakers, etc. etc. But it’s a problem in the liberal community that breeds the behavior.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 12:49 AM
You know what, James and RightWinged…your discussion is interesting…and very much appreciated.
However…
I’m at the point now where I could not give a rat’s a$$ WHO’s doing the bullsh!t, or WHY they’re doing it. The psychology of it isn’t even an issue to me anymore…
Find the scum and friggin’ punish their a$$es!
Don’t care who’s fault it is…Don’t want to hear that society is to blame. Just f’in punish the law-breakin’ bastards!
We waste too much time in this culture trying to “understand criminals” and “reason with them”. Done…move on. I am in complete agreement with tommy1. Let’s let Ted Nugent hunt down this scumbag with a bow. Act like an preditor, get put down like a preditor.
tickleddragon on May 15, 2007 at 12:50 AM
And yes, obviously this story made me reallllllly mad. I just want to wring that little jerkoff’s neck, myself.
(Oh and what a prophesy-fulfilling name he’s got there. Momma, can’t decide between Dionne and Dante? Split the difference in a truly idiotic and future-detrimental way.)
tickleddragon on May 15, 2007 at 12:54 AM
Maybe so but family values and such are becoming less and less important in this country.
EnochCain on May 15, 2007 at 12:55 AM
Stop complaining and promote solutions. I am not going to speak to your hypothetical, it’s disingenuous and baiting. Same kind of baiting Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson do.
James on May 15, 2007 at 12:57 AM
Oh, I am with you tickelddragon, the criminal should be punished to the full extent of the law. Let’s just hope Al Qaeda isn’t operating in whatever prison he attends.
1/3 of America’s young black population is or has been incarcerated.
I think this breakdown is temporary. The pendulum has begun its swing back. A conservative ideology will become very attractive to a new generation that has been abandoned by the welfare state and the liberal machine. What conservative ideology will win as the pendulum swings? Islam is busy on its Dawa campaign and like it or not and they will craft a conservative ideology that may win the new generation over.
James on May 15, 2007 at 1:03 AM
You’re right about that…. I’d just like to see something done to prevent this sort of thing, but it is only getting worse.
Promote solutions? Okay – TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN KIDS! GET A JOB! STOP THINKING PEOPLE OWE YOU SOMEHING! Wow, can’t believe that didn’t work.
You won’t speak to my hypothetical, not because it is disingenuous and baiting, but because you know it’s true. The Toledo incident, or countless other riots don’t happen when hundreds of white kids terrorize a neighborhood that is completely unrelated to whatever they decide is their excuse for their behavior. AS I REPEATEDLY SAID IT’S NOT THEIR SKIN COLOR THAT MAKES THEM DO IT, but the problem is so much larger in the black community than elsewhere, and I’m sick of people pretending like it’s not. It’s the same as atheists who pretend religion, not Islam, is the problem is at the root of terrorism.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 1:04 AM
I don’t know what pendulum you’re looking at.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 1:05 AM
Islam is an ideology and culture, not a race. Entirely different scenario. Islam as a political ideology should be thrown onto the heapstack of failed ideologies in human history, right on top of Nazism and Communism.
Arab is a race, and by in large they are Muslim, but that is not because of their inherent Arabness, as many Arabs are today Jews and Christians.
So in SAT Analogy form:
Islam is to Arabs as Hip Hop Culture is to Blacks.
Islam infects and has spread to other races, just as the Hip Hop Culture has infected and spread to other races.
Lesson is it’s a matter of culture and class, not race.
James on May 15, 2007 at 1:13 AM
I’m out. It’d be good though, if this video was played and for Mrs. Sims message to be broadcast afterwards on BET and MTV for a few days. Maybe, it might knock some sense in our young.
James on May 15, 2007 at 1:16 AM
I saw this earlier. He’s charged with carjacking which carries a life bid also a atrocious assault and battery whish carries another ten years, that may be upgraded to attempted murder.We have serious laws here in FL about abusing seniors, they carry heavy duty time. If I was related the victim I would get myself put in the same prison as this dude and go to work on him for a long long time. God forgive me.
sonnyspats1 on May 15, 2007 at 1:25 AM
I like to think the old guy, tuff as nails from going up against the Axis powers all those years ago, was laughing and saying “That the best ya got punk? You hit like my great-great-grandchild!”.
mojowire on May 14, 2007 at 11:01 PM
AHAHAHA yes he was HAHAHA He really was!
sonnyspats1 on May 15, 2007 at 1:29 AM
If there’s any justice they will give the old man his regulation M1 back and let him practice some bayonet thrusts on the asshole.
BacaDog on May 14, 2007 at 11:38 PM
Ding Ding Ding We have a winner!
sonnyspats1 on May 15, 2007 at 1:32 AM
RightWinged on May 14, 2007 at 11:42 PM
The old guy is black ain’t he?
sonnyspats1 on May 15, 2007 at 1:35 AM
Yeah, I realized that after watching this local vid… I’d only seen the security tape previously and he didn’t look like he was. Check a few comments down, I noted the error, and that it still didn’t take away from the overall point I was making.
You missed the point of the mentioning of Islam. While I agree with you, that Islam itself is a problem, many would say “it’s just radical Islam, not Islam all together”. My point was that atheists as a whole like to trot out what Hitchens has been mainstreaming in his book tour: “religion is the root of all evil”. Aside from the fact that Darwinist beliefs were motivators for the planet’s biggest mass murderers, it’s annoying when because Islam is at the root of terrorism, many atheists blast “all religion”. I was saying, in only passing mention that I thought you’d get, that it’s similar to you saying that it’s a whole “culture” unrelated to race at play here, and I say that’s not the case. Because these problems are far greater in minority, especially black, communities. Again, the Toledo example is perfectly valid. That was unimaginable insanity. So while I agree that the culture is screwed up in general, the problem is far greater within the black community, and this isn’t racism this is reality guy. The same way plenty of religions have their own screwed up parts, Islam is at the root of terrorism, not “religion” in general.
Now please don’t any idiots come and try to say I’m equating black Americans with terrorists (yes resident liberals, I’m talking to you, I know your MO). I made drew a simple parallel (of certain people blaming a problem on a large group when the attention should be more focused) earlier that James obviously didn’t really get, so I just broke it down further, when it’s really not even the greatest or most important comparison, I was just trying to illustrate a point that someone didn’t get.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 2:43 AM
Before * after O, and that’s all I’m saying about that.
- The Cat
MirCat on May 15, 2007 at 3:08 AM
I guess Detroit doesn’t have any Sheepdogs only Wolves and Sheep.
Tim Burton on May 15, 2007 at 3:36 AM
James, you are so off on her eit isn’t even funny. Funny, my hubby’s name is James and he is the one that told me..what do you expect with those black standbyers that are from detroit? We are talking about this issue in this town specifically, not elsewhere.
Stop being PC. Race did play a part in this….the peckerheads!
Highrise on May 15, 2007 at 3:50 AM
RightWinged, you’re trying to make this about race when it isn’t. Give it up.
P.S. Whenever you say: “Aside from the fact that Darwinist beliefs were motivators for the planet’s biggest mass murderers,” I just keep thinking “Godwin’s, Godwin’s, Godwin’s.”
Nonfactor on May 15, 2007 at 3:58 AM
Oh, and I find your entire premise hilarious. You don’t know the race of the man who was beaten and assume he is a white man being beaten by a black man, and then you assume that all the onlookers are black and aren’t helping because of that fact. I’ll remind people of the two points you tried to make in your first post: 1) People weren’t helping because they were black and they have the “don’t be a snitch” mentality (Anderson Cooper much?) and 2) Black youth have a sense of entitlement which is why you assumed a black man was beating up a white man.
I don’t see how anybody can read that and not laugh a little about how out of touch you are. The only thing that would make this more funny is if it turned out a few of the witnesses were white.
Nonfactor on May 15, 2007 at 4:08 AM
It’s so great to see a white persons view on what black people will believe. I’m black, I’m middle class, I’m a Democrat; not because I was indoctrinated and tricked by the left into believing their positions, but because I chose to be a Democrat. I know more white people who’ve gone to jail than black but that doesn’t represent the state of white youth in my area, it simply represents that specific person, just as the actions of a black man aren’t indicative of all black youth.
Nonfactor on May 15, 2007 at 4:16 AM
Rightwinged
There is a lot of truth to what you’re saying. You forgot about the most notorious case, the Rodney King verdict riots in LA.
I’d ignore Nonfactor, I’m sure he’s just your typical upper East side liberal who’s never even seen an African American in person.
Capitalist Infidel on May 15, 2007 at 5:00 AM
Assume? I guess the camera is colorless /boggle
Highrise on May 15, 2007 at 5:00 AM
LOL – Good points. Of course with RW all one has to do is insinuate there is a “black” angle and …. well he gets all revved up. When he really gets his jets going you are likely to see a quote or two from Dr. King to buttress his points.
If it turned out that everyone involved were white he would simply change gears and speculate that they are all “leftards”. It’s like watching a five year old try to read Shakespeare.
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 5:17 AM
Which is head and shoulders above the tripe you write
Capitalist Infidel on May 15, 2007 at 5:19 AM
So Nonfactor, you totally skipped over the post where I noted that the guy was actually black, but it still doesn’t take away from the overall point. The victim’s color really wasn’t at issue, other than to illustrate what I feel would be likely had the roles been reversed (as I had initially viewed it) – white guy beating an innocent old black man, with white bystanders just hanging out like nothing is happening. But the sense of entitlement point stands, as does the don’t snitch mentality. And it’s not even necessarily don’t snitch could be just selfishness and they just don’t care.
As I’ve REPEATEDLY said, it’s not their skin color causing them to do this. Most blacks of older generations are embarrassed at the problems in their communities. It’s a problem for all, but continually getting worse among black youths. You can pretend it’s not all day long if you’d like though. I gave you a number of examples, including many of personal experience. My eyes were opened to just how bad it was after living in a major city for a number of years and even coming back to Vermont, the second whitest state in the country. You can go weeks without seeing a black person up here. But rest assured, if there’s a big drug bust or a shooting up here now, 9 out of 10 times the perp will be black, and often up from the city dealing drugs or something. Is it his skin that made him do it? Of course not, and I never said it was. The handful of black people born and raised here you can count on to be pretty much like the rest of us, because they weren’t raised in the type of environment that many blacks are around the country. This is where people like yourself say “product of their environment”. And there’s an element of that, but when does that excuse expire? When do people say enough is enough and things start getting better? Shouldn’t there be a growing trend away from the problems that plague the black communities?
And Nonfactor, while I think you’re out of your mind on most things, I really just think you’re misunderstanding some stuff here. AGAIN, I’m not saying their skin color causes them to do it at all. I’m just talking about how this behavior is all too common within the black community, and it stems for absent parents, etc. The problems are across all races, but you and everyone else knows it’s FAR worse in the black community, and it ain’t getting any better.
I’m really saying nothing more than what Cosby says, he just delivers it more simply in a few lines. Outside of that, I’ve said numerous times I was wrong about the victims race, but it played no real part in the analysis except when I submitted the reversed roles example.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 5:23 AM
And there’s Baitky… Nothing to add but strawmen as usual. I’ve never nor do I have any reason here to quote Dr. King. And it won’t “turn out” that people here involved were white, because THEY ARE BLACK! I hate to break it to you, but they weren’t Joe Liebermans painted in blackface by liberal bloggers.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 5:27 AM
Aww that’s kind of sweet to run to his defense. Kind of a Brokeback moment I’d say.
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 5:28 AM
“Strawman and Cosby”
These are a few of my favorite words.
How can you agree with anything Cosby says? I mean he is a Democrat and liberal, hence a traitorous American by the standards of many including yourself, no?
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 5:30 AM
Bradky
Is there any particular reason that you are obsessed with homosexuality? Not that theres anything wrong with that.
Capitalist Infidel on May 15, 2007 at 5:31 AM
Please provide proof that Cosby is a democrat and a liberal
Capitalist Infidel on May 15, 2007 at 5:33 AM
Provide proof he is not sweetie.
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 5:35 AM
You’re the one who made the claim, now back it up
Capitalist Infidel on May 15, 2007 at 5:36 AM
It’s on RW’s blog somewhere – have at it and he could use the extra hit or two.
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 5:39 AM
typical liberal, can’t back up his assertions
Capitalist Infidel on May 15, 2007 at 5:40 AM
Off to bed, someone has to pay for Bradky’s government cheese.
Capitalist Infidel on May 15, 2007 at 5:47 AM
http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Bill_Cosby.php
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 5:47 AM
mmmm and it is tasty cheese – sleep well. need you to work hard to make sure i stay supplied for a long time.
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 5:48 AM
No, I’m not sure I’ve ever called Democrats traitors… but I’d say that the elected Democrats holding national office are largely pretty damn close (I can give examples, but I’m not going to bite on your diversion that hard. Don’t you hate when I catch you libs diverting?)
I can agree with what he says. Hey, I heard a Democrat say the health care system is broken. I agree with that too! Wow. But what Cosby says, in regards to problems within the black community, is very much a conservative talking point. He’s not out looking for the next victim to make money and headlines with like the shakedown brothers, Sharpton and Jackson… Not to mention that NY Assemblyman clown who’s name escapes me at the moment who’s always borderline preaching violence. And it is the left who keeps telling people they’re victims. It’s Hillary who talks down to these people by speaking differently around them. It’s lefties who want racial preferences for college acceptance. Cosby tells girls to go out and make something of themselves instead of getting pregnant by all these young black men who don’t take care of their kids and add another generation of poverty stricken black youth (I don’t think I need to pull out the out of wedlock birth rates in the black community, but I will if necessary.. I believe it lies somewhere in the 75% to 90% range). He tells them to stop blaming white people for their problems and get their acts together and do something for themselves, etc. So get off your delusions for a second guy.
As for your debate with Capitalist Infidel about whether Cosby is a Democrat or not… I couldn’t care less either way, but you (and most of the libs that hang around here) always look like clowns when you make claims and insist that others prove it isn’t true, while you’ve never proved it was. It’s like you’re a child or something. Do you not see how stupid of thing it is to do?
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 5:48 AM
There, at least you attempted to back up your assertion now Baitky (even though that simply shows campaign contributions, which isn’t necessarily proof of anything. But I think he is likely a Dem anyway) Again, that was your debate with someone else… but the point stands about making a claim and demanding others disprove it when you haven’t proved it. Why couldn’t you just provide a link when you first claimed it, or at least when he asked you to… instead of doing possibly the dumbest thing a person could do in a debate, and demand someone prove a negative.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 5:51 AM
This is one area that I would concede you have years of experience with.
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 7:26 AM
The usual tactic when one has no facts, RW. Make a specious claim with no proof and stand back and laugh while someone goes off to prove you wrong.
When the proof comes in, just say it’s out of context.
Rinse and repeat.
BacaDog on May 15, 2007 at 7:29 AM
You’re right, it shouldn’t be and as soon as race baiting jerk-offs like Al, Jesse, and the scum linerals STOP making race an issue, the easier it will be for the rest of the country to see behavior first and not skin color.
csdeven on May 15, 2007 at 7:52 AM
The only time that you care about black criminals is when a white is being attacked, then it is the end of the world, “where is sharpton” “See double standard”, ad nauseum. The day I see you give a damn about black on black crime, where statistics show most of the crime among blacks is directed, then I will quit questioning your obvious bias.
You complain about Lieberman being put in blackface but didn’t you photoshop a roots photo with Hillary appearing to be black. http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2006_07_30_rogerailes_archive.html#115470532732842777 Not sure what the nuance is there but I’m sure you will spend two or three thousand words telling me.
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 7:58 AM
For a minute there I thought you had made a salient point, but alas, you have run back to the stupidity of liberalism.
Why don’t you try READING the difference between what your liberal buddies meant with the lieberman blackface and what RW meant with the hillary black face?
I’ll tell you why…..it’s because you are a misguided disengenuous liberal moonbat.
csdeven on May 15, 2007 at 8:15 AM
Ah nuance. Glad you agreed with my first paragraph. Seems to be a theme among a few who get all riled up about black on white crime.
Liberal buddies? Not mine any more than those wonderful republicans at free republic. But pointing out double standards is a particular hobby of mine … and has no political loyalty. According to the link RW did try to disassociate himself from the picture. I report you decide!
And I’m sure you are a smart young man. I’d have a little more regard for your posts if you just left off the adjectives and labels and stuck to analyzing the points.
Bradky on May 15, 2007 at 8:20 AM
If I’d been walking by while this happened, the scum (whatever color he might be), wouldn’t have walked away from that parking lot. I wonder how he would’ve like a few hollow-pointed bullets in him. Ah. The benefits of a concealed weapons permit. Gotta love the Second Amendment.
If there’s justice in this world, the sleeze bucket will rot in jail.
amerpundit on May 15, 2007 at 8:22 AM
For you to suggest to a conservative that he should analyze issues like you moonbats do, is to ask him to shut half his brain off. Ain’t gonna happen.
csdeven on May 15, 2007 at 8:37 AM
This has been a top story in Detroit since it happened, last week. The 91-year-old victim is a World War II veteran, FYI.
Debbie Schlussel on May 15, 2007 at 10:07 AM
So, if Allah and Glenn Reynolds have it right, angry mobs of Catholics, fresh from evening service, will burn down this guy’s house (pardon me, his apartment), and kill his entire family, then go looking for all of his friends and lynch them.
Do I have that right?
Jaibones on May 15, 2007 at 11:01 AM
I do find it fascinating that whenever a liberal cannot debate an issue, the first thing they do is start calling people gay. Makes me chuckle.
wytammic on May 15, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Your entire points rest on the idea that it is their skin color that causes them to do this–the don’t snitch mentality of black youth and the sense of entitlement held by blacks. You’re doing a 180 now and pretending like you never brought up skin color.
It’s not an excuse it’s a description.
I’d agree, but if that were your point all along your first post would be unnecessary. What does the fact that the criminal was black have to do with anything? If he was white what would that change? What does it matter whether the witnesses were black or white? Does it change anything? It is a product of environment, it’s not just black people, it just happens that more black people live in the inner cities than white people. The point still stands that you’re trying to make this about race when it isn’t (and that couldn’t be any more emphasized when you assumed the race of the victim and onlookers).
And since you’re into the race reversals thing, if a white person committed grand theft auto or white people were looking on, would that be because of their “sense of entitlement” or their “don’t be a snitch” mentality?
Woah. They’re not making race an issue; in many instances race is an issue, just not this one.
Nonfactor on May 15, 2007 at 12:05 PM
The problem is that people like Cosby, Powell, Rice, even Obama, are accused of not being ‘authentically black’. They have conflated the name for the pigmentation with the subculture. Therefore, whenever you speak ill of the ‘black’ subculture, you’re a racist.
Aw, hell, anytime you advance a logical argument against a leftist, you’re a ‘racist’.
The Monster on May 15, 2007 at 1:01 PM
(And BJC was the ‘first black president’ because he’s blacker than ‘bama.)
The Monster on May 15, 2007 at 1:03 PM
We have a winner.
baldilocks on May 15, 2007 at 2:05 PM
Well, hope this POS does spend a lot of time in prison. What is wrong with those bystanders? I can’t believe they just stood there and did nothing. Don’t they have grandparents? I hope that the gentleman recovers without any problems. He and his wife seemed like they do okay at their age. It makes me sick that someone could do that to an elderly person or anyone for that matter.
Catie96706 on May 15, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Chris Rock said the same thing. Even though f-bombs and n-words are included, it was still funny and all too true.
baldilocks on May 15, 2007 at 2:09 PM
Do you ever get tired of being a dishonest, idiot, liberal stereotype? Seriously, you must know what you do? Look at your comments here, nothing but baiting based on your own strawmen. Half of what you’re talking about relates in no way to the discussion, the other half barely relates and it’s still full of strawmen. You literally raise no points because you’re not responding to anything I actually said.
As for the Hillary blackface photoshop… YA GOT ME! … OH WAIT… No you didn’t:
Thanks csdeven. Baitky, if you had the brainpower of a 5 year old, you could have figured this out. Hillary, on MLK Jr. Day, in Harlem, at a Church with Al Sharpton spoke to a black audience (long before her recent “black voice” events) and in one of the most disgusting displays of pandering said that the Republicans were running Congress “Like a plantation! And you know what I’m talkin’ about!” The photoshop I created was in relation to her specific comments and wasn’t done in the form of the racist “blackface”, I simply made a visual of her pandering. She was comparing the fact that the Democrat minority couldn’t get their way to what slaves went through. She’s a disgusting human being for doing it, I simply made a photoshop with the pop-culture image of the cover of Roots, showing herher shackled and with darker skin. (learn the difference, start here)
Anyway Baitky, don’t you think it’s time you left this thread? You came in doing nothing but baiting and throwing out strawmen… Why are you still here? You’ve offered nothing to this discussion, and we’re all stupider for having read what you’ve said.
Ha! That’s old, but still funny and true. I’ve seen that a number of times over the years.
“I take care of my kids!”
Because I continue to make the mistake that everyone put their big boy pants on today and thought I didn’t think I’d have to explain things like I was talking to a child. Somehow I figured you might be able to comprehend the point without it being broken down for you. But I know you did get the point, but you wanted to makes something out of nothing, so as a liberal it was your duty to do what you did. I understand, I know you guys take an oath of dishonesty and you do a marvelous job upholding that oath.
Exactly, so this is a problem that is far larger for the black community, which is what I’ve been saying.
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 3:34 PM
Talk about dishonesty. The bottom line is you trying to make race an issue when it isn’t (and the reason this thread is hilarious is because you didn’t even know the race of the victim before you made your assumptive post).
Nonfactor on May 15, 2007 at 5:35 PM
The race of the victim is irrelevant, but thanks for proving again what liberals are all about. I’ve REPEATEDLY NOTED THAT I WAS WRONG ABOUT THE VICTIMS RACE, BUT THAT’S IRRELEVANT TO THE POINT I WAS MAKING, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE POINT OR NOT! Please Nonfactor, stop the baiting and just shut up unless you have anything to add. You already proved my point above:
So just leave.
(here’s where you come in, focus on the unimportant and take sentences out of context so that they say something completely different than what I actually said. When I bust you, your excuse will be “don’t say things if you don’t want me to respond to them” as if context doesn’t exist, which is so utterly dishonest, but it’s how you roll.)
RightWinged on May 15, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Just what exactly is wrong with you? Seriously, are you in a mental institution of some sort? This is just a MILD example…….When Imus refered to Sharpton and his posse of race baiters as “you people” (meaning the people attacking Imus), Sharptons response was “What do you mean “you people?” intimating that Imus meant ALL black persons. It’s that kind of race baiting horse $hit that keeps all of america focused on a persons skin color instead of a persons intent.
csdeven on May 15, 2007 at 6:43 PM
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