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		<title>By: poops &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quote of the day - Hot Air</title>
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		<dc:creator>poops &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quote of the day - Hot Air</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Freelancer</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/13/quote-of-the-day-42/comment-page-1/#comment-400883</link>
		<dc:creator>Freelancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 18:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those folks who question the validity of the complaint, there are parents and grandparents who raise their children in a way that shields them from those issues of life they disapprove of, at least until they feel the child is old enough to engage in rational conversation about those issues. Many will cry &quot;overprotection&quot;, but those aren&#039;t your kids, so you don&#039;t have any say in that. If that is the parents&#039; choice, they have every right to do so. 

Now if that child is suddenly exposed to something as far outside the norms they have grown up with as this movie, there is no question it would be disturbing. Done without offering parents an opportunity to object or opt out of their child&#039;s inclusion, it is immoral and illegal.

I expect that substitute teacher will be asked to use more care in the future, and not be penalized at all. Lord knows we should only fire the faculty members who &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/0508freespeechprof0508.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;violate our rights&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those folks who question the validity of the complaint, there are parents and grandparents who raise their children in a way that shields them from those issues of life they disapprove of, at least until they feel the child is old enough to engage in rational conversation about those issues. Many will cry &#8220;overprotection&#8221;, but those aren&#8217;t your kids, so you don&#8217;t have any say in that. If that is the parents&#8217; choice, they have every right to do so. </p>
<p>Now if that child is suddenly exposed to something as far outside the norms they have grown up with as this movie, there is no question it would be disturbing. Done without offering parents an opportunity to object or opt out of their child&#8217;s inclusion, it is immoral and illegal.</p>
<p>I expect that substitute teacher will be asked to use more care in the future, and not be penalized at all. Lord knows we should only fire the faculty members who <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/0508freespeechprof0508.html" rel="nofollow">violate our rights</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: BigOrangeAxe</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/13/quote-of-the-day-42/comment-page-1/#comment-400622</link>
		<dc:creator>BigOrangeAxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 15:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there&#039;s no &quot;gay agenda&quot; in the public schools.</description>
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		<title>By: 4shoes</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/13/quote-of-the-day-42/comment-page-1/#comment-400346</link>
		<dc:creator>4shoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 13:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not religious at all, nor am I anti-gay, for that matter, and I would have been pissed as hell if a teacher had shown my 12 yr old an R rated movie with out my permission.   Christ, raising kids is hard enough without &lt;em&gt;teachers&lt;/em&gt; pushing their adult, screwed up agendas on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not religious at all, nor am I anti-gay, for that matter, and I would have been pissed as hell if a teacher had shown my 12 yr old an R rated movie with out my permission.   Christ, raising kids is hard enough without <em>teachers</em> pushing their adult, screwed up agendas on them.</p>
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		<title>By: georgej</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 12:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Showing an R rated movie to 12 year olds&quot; without parental consent is, I believe, illegal in Illinois.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Showing an R rated movie to 12 year olds&#8221; without parental consent is, I believe, illegal in Illinois.</p>
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		<title>By: Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; Lawsuit Filed By 12 Year Old Girl After Being Shown Brokeback Mountain in Class</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; Lawsuit Filed By 12 Year Old Girl After Being Shown Brokeback Mountain in Class</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 12:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: debi118</title>
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		<dc:creator>debi118</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 10:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Showing an R rated movie to 12 year olds is poor judgement for sure. And she either has some kind of an agenda, is crazy or both.
THis kid being traumatized is a bit of a reach, but whatever.....

When I was that age, our mailman gave me a porno magazine(&quot;this makes playboy look like mother goose&quot; he said. I didnt even know what playboy was!) ,he gave my sister a condom and appeared pantless to neighbor  girl. Then he spent the next several years in the big house for being an particularly annoying perv.

 I write this at 4 in the morning of my empty lonely house:):)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Showing an R rated movie to 12 year olds is poor judgement for sure. And she either has some kind of an agenda, is crazy or both.<br />
THis kid being traumatized is a bit of a reach, but whatever&#8230;..</p>
<p>When I was that age, our mailman gave me a porno magazine(&#8220;this makes playboy look like mother goose&#8221; he said. I didnt even know what playboy was!) ,he gave my sister a condom and appeared pantless to neighbor  girl. Then he spent the next several years in the big house for being an particularly annoying perv.</p>
<p> I write this at 4 in the morning of my empty lonely house:):)</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Penny</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/13/quote-of-the-day-42/comment-page-1/#comment-399972</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What under heaven does Child Protective Services have to do with this issue? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think in this case CPS stands for Chicago Public Schools. Or were you channelling Emily Litella?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What under heaven does Child Protective Services have to do with this issue? </p></blockquote>
<p>I think in this case CPS stands for Chicago Public Schools. Or were you channelling Emily Litella?</p>
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		<title>By: Tennman</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/13/quote-of-the-day-42/comment-page-1/#comment-399954</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 04:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reaps:

A 12-year-old is not an adult; not even close.  When you take a child out of their comfort level to such an extent where they are viewing romanticized homosexuality and all the adult problems that go with it, it can very easily traumatize a child.  Psychological trauma is real.  It can cause physical manifestations such as PTSD, shock, depressed mood, anxiety disorder -- all recognized psychiatric conditions under the DSM-IV.

There&#039;s a reason for the movie ratings system.  It&#039;s to allow the parents to judge whether a 12-year-old or even a 16-year-old is ready to deal with the adult world.

Ms. Buford was wrong in what she did.  I have no idea whether this 12-year-old was traumatized.  But knowing that it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a possibility leads me to give the parents and the professionals the benefit of the doubt.  There are a lot of frivolous lawsuits; they tend to get weeded out by the courts.  Some make it to jury trial, but most do not.  

So I&#039;d prefer to give the kid a break.  If the action happened as alleged, I&#039;d not give the same break to the witless substitute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reaps:</p>
<p>A 12-year-old is not an adult; not even close.  When you take a child out of their comfort level to such an extent where they are viewing romanticized homosexuality and all the adult problems that go with it, it can very easily traumatize a child.  Psychological trauma is real.  It can cause physical manifestations such as PTSD, shock, depressed mood, anxiety disorder &#8212; all recognized psychiatric conditions under the DSM-IV.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason for the movie ratings system.  It&#8217;s to allow the parents to judge whether a 12-year-old or even a 16-year-old is ready to deal with the adult world.</p>
<p>Ms. Buford was wrong in what she did.  I have no idea whether this 12-year-old was traumatized.  But knowing that it <em>is</em> a possibility leads me to give the parents and the professionals the benefit of the doubt.  There are a lot of frivolous lawsuits; they tend to get weeded out by the courts.  Some make it to jury trial, but most do not.  </p>
<p>So I&#8217;d prefer to give the kid a break.  If the action happened as alleged, I&#8217;d not give the same break to the witless substitute.</p>
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		<title>By: Kini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 04:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;a movie that says “cowboys are gay too!”. It’s the adult liberal version of “Everybody poops”. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Shameless plug for Depends Undergarments by the teacher?

Just thinking ya know :-]   Consequences of actions!

Just wait till the tykes get to into college.  Yikes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a movie that says “cowboys are gay too!”. It’s the adult liberal version of “Everybody poops”. </p></blockquote>
<p>Shameless plug for Depends Undergarments by the teacher?</p>
<p>Just thinking ya know :-]   Consequences of actions!</p>
<p>Just wait till the tykes get to into college.  Yikes!</p>
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		<title>By: mojowire</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/13/quote-of-the-day-42/comment-page-1/#comment-399897</link>
		<dc:creator>mojowire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 04:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why do teachers never think they’ll get caught?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not that they think they won&#039;t get caught, but believe they have absolute impunity under the guise of &quot;diversity&quot;. I am sure she thought anyone who disagreed with the showing of this sad excuse for a film would be labeled a homophobe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why do teachers never think they’ll get caught?</p></blockquote>
<p>Not that they think they won&#8217;t get caught, but believe they have absolute impunity under the guise of &#8220;diversity&#8221;. I am sure she thought anyone who disagreed with the showing of this sad excuse for a film would be labeled a homophobe.</p>
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		<title>By: Freelancer</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/13/quote-of-the-day-42/comment-page-1/#comment-399845</link>
		<dc:creator>Freelancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 03:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last sentence of that piece is bothering me something fierce:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Messages left over the weekend with CPS officials were not immediately returned.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What under heaven does Child Protective Services have to do with this issue? It&#039;s a family vs. school complaint, CPS wouldn&#039;t dare represent against the government school system. Or is someone planning to try and take the girl away from her grandparents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last sentence of that piece is bothering me something fierce:</p>
<blockquote><p>Messages left over the weekend with CPS officials were not immediately returned.</p></blockquote>
<p>What under heaven does Child Protective Services have to do with this issue? It&#8217;s a family vs. school complaint, CPS wouldn&#8217;t dare represent against the government school system. Or is someone planning to try and take the girl away from her grandparents?</p>
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		<title>By: Reaps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reaps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 03:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read about this too, and I checked HA to see if you&#039;d post it.  Spooky.

Anyhoo, yes I&#039;d agree it was silly and inappropriate to show it, but &#039;traumatised&#039;? &#039;had to undergo psychological treatment and counseling&#039;?

Finding it so hard not to &#039;lol&#039; at that..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read about this too, and I checked HA to see if you&#8217;d post it.  Spooky.</p>
<p>Anyhoo, yes I&#8217;d agree it was silly and inappropriate to show it, but &#8216;traumatised&#8217;? &#8216;had to undergo psychological treatment and counseling&#8217;?</p>
<p>Finding it so hard not to &#8216;lol&#8217; at that..</p>
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		<title>By: sonnyspats1</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonnyspats1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 03:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA HA Ms. Buford has NO Class. (pun intended)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA HA Ms. Buford has NO Class. (pun intended)</p>
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		<title>By: RightWinged</title>
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		<dc:creator>RightWinged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 03:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do teachers never think they&#039;ll get caught?

And I can&#039;t wait to hear her try to defend her decision to show this... What educational value does it have?  I mean, it would have been outrageous even if it was based in reality, but it&#039;s not!  The whole purpose of this movie is to push the gay agenda by mainstreaming it in Hollywood with a movie that says &quot;cowboys are gay too!&quot;.   It&#039;s the adult liberal version of &quot;Everybody poops&quot;.  There is no logical reason to have shown this, and this is yet another in a line of thousands of examples of liberal teachers and professors pushing their BS agendas on students of all ages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do teachers never think they&#8217;ll get caught?</p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t wait to hear her try to defend her decision to show this&#8230; What educational value does it have?  I mean, it would have been outrageous even if it was based in reality, but it&#8217;s not!  The whole purpose of this movie is to push the gay agenda by mainstreaming it in Hollywood with a movie that says &#8220;cowboys are gay too!&#8221;.   It&#8217;s the adult liberal version of &#8220;Everybody poops&#8221;.  There is no logical reason to have shown this, and this is yet another in a line of thousands of examples of liberal teachers and professors pushing their BS agendas on students of all ages.</p>
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