JaHerer22 on May 11, 2007 at 2:58 PM

You are a partisan hack. ANY attack on US soil is a propoganda windfall for terrorism. If these guys had just gotten ON the base and were caught, terrorists around the world would have been emboldened and no one would give a rats a$$ how moronic they were. Had they caused any destruction or God forbid, killed anyone, this country would have looked like incompetent boobs AND MISGUIDED MOONBATS LIKE YOU would have complained how stupid the authorities are because they couldn’t catch these morons.

But that doesn’t matter to you does it? All you are interested in is spinning every event to look like the Bush Admin is staffed by simpletons because all the liberals have is hate. No viable plan. No honor. And no patriotism.

You and your ilk sicken me.

Those killed by dumb ones shouldn’t count.

Maybe the U.N. could pass this as The JaHerer Amendment.

“No one dying as a result of terrorist acts, unless said terrorists acted brilliantly, can be considered truly dead.”

Minimizing maniacs. Pretty damned dumb.

I mean, we should really not worry about that, or a gang of Islamists shooting up people on the Brooklyn Bridge, we also shouldn’t worry about Islamic maniacs killing people on the top of the Empire State Building.

We have nothing to fear, really.

The same asswipes who are saying these guys are “just a bunch of morons” would be shouting about how, nearly 6 years after 9/11, post-PATRIOT Act, our own military bases weren’t secure.

If you do, you lose a couple people a year on average due to accidents. So, to preserve lives, you likely restrict ammunition to the firing range. YOu do know that even in peacetime we lose a certain number of soldiers to “training accidents”, and this was an Army training base, so they’d likely have some extra restrictions in place (pre-9/11 they did, dunno about after).

Well actually, your post doesn’t show any knowledge of this, but I’ll presume you could have figured this out eventually if you’d done some research before making assumptions. I don’t know about post-9/11 but pre-9/11 the gate guards at Fort Dix often didn’t have loaded weapons. But I had to ask a guy stationed there to learn this, so that might not be common knowledge.

Ok, second, this isn’t a truly “closed base”, considering the location and the road network around it; it’s possible that you could walk into that base undetected (maybe not probable, depending on what other securiuty measures they have). But it isn’t nearly of the security level of the neighboring Air Force base.

Look at the following link:
http://www.dixmwr.com/map.pdf

So, the Burger King, the Post office, the Bank, all within the “base” area, these were also secured? Doubtful.

So, most civilians and soldiers on the base are likely not armed, you give me 10 guys with AK-47′s and RPG’s and a goal of killing as many as possible. And you think this is a stupid failed plan? Heck, I think this is at least plausible, more workable than the OK bombing. Some of us might even get back to the cars after the attack, but probably not. I’d predict between 20 and 100 dead from this assault with 8-10 of the attackers also dying. I’d estimate 6/1 ratio of kills to losses which is not generally considered a poor plan; unless you think AK-47 on (plausibly) unarmed soldiers isn’t going to work…

Heck, if they had gotten RPG style weapons, and attacked from range by complete surprise, they’re likely to kill a lot regardless… aren’t they?

No, the one bit of stupid was believing that the guys who process your video (or develop your pictures, etc.) never look at them. Ask the guy at Walgreens how much pornography he develops in a normal workday. Loads of people believe the process is so automated that nobody sees the “evidence” … so it’s a common misconception.

Unless you can use that 20/20 hindsight on future events, could you not use it in these discussions? Thanks.

JaHerer22 on May 11, 2007 at 2:58 PM

So, what you’re saying, then, is that Richard Reid was a legitimate and serious threat — unlike the “morons” in Jersey — and surely must have been regarded as such by the BDS American left?

That is what you’re saying?

Who do you think we’re fighting? Geniuses? The Muslims want to return to the 7th century. That’s not exactly the goal of geniuses. The main reason we are opposed to them is their irrationality.

Most of Al Qaeda’s plots failed because of the same kind of incompetence demonstrated at Fort Dix. Those plots weren’t works of genius. They are all three point plots: 1) Build a big bomb; 2) Drive it to where the infidels are; 3) Blow myself up. These are guys who think the best way to get laid is to kill themselves.

Al Qaeda’s first attempt to blow up a US warship in the port of Aden, Yemen failed miserably. The kill crazy Muslims tried to sink the USS The Sullivans in January 2000 but set out at night and lost their way and found that their boat was sinking. They dragged it back to shore and left it there to get their vehicle. Some fishermen found it and looted it. So ended their first attempt. It took them ten months to get their crap together and make a second effort in daytime, so they could see where they were going, with a boat that wouldn’t sink. Al Qaeda are incompetent buffoons.

Take a look at the first WTC plot in 1993. The plotters were all pizza delivery men and taxi drivers, not plasma physicists. It wasn’t until Ramzi Yousef appeared from who knows where that they got organized enough to pull it off. And Yousef played them all for fools, leaving them holding the bag. Sheesh, one of the idiots tried to get the deposit back on the bomb van to buy a ticket to escape.

You don’t have to be a genius to do evil and cause harm. A rattlesnake can kill you dead with only a fraction of your IQ. So can a terrorist.

What I do not understand is why the left, and this Jaherer22 guy is a good example of the groupthink there, wants to do PR work for the teroorists and lower our guard.

You know, the bad guys won’t check your voter registration before they kill you.

JayHaw Phrenzie on May 11, 2007 at 3:10 PM

So you think the masterminds behind all this send some of their retarded jihad-school dropouts over to plan moronic attacks like this that they know will fail; then people like me conclude all the terrorists are morons, let our guard down, and then when they send over the smart recruits we’re unprepared and they kill millions?

It is equally ridiculous until it works.

What I do not understand is why the left, and this Jaherer22 guy is a good example of the groupthink there, wants to do PR work for the teroorists and lower our guard.

You know, the bad guys won’t check your voter registration before they kill you.

I’m liking Beck more and more every day.

see-dubya on May 11, 2007 at 3:06 PM

Yup.

Yeah, JaHerer. About as stupid as a guy plotting to blow up an airliner over the ocean by lighting the explosives crammed in his shoe.

It’s funny how these terrorists are always nincompoops when we discover and prevent their plots to kill and destroy.

Real funny.

common sensineer on May 11, 2007 at 2:34 PM

Your example makes no sense and basically supports my point.
Let’s assume the goal of the terrorist is to kill as many people and incite as much fear as possible. So let’s compare…

You put a bomb in your shoe because it is inconspicuous and unlikely to be checked. You target an airplane over the ocean because a small explosion can kill a lot of people and the plane is isolated and helpless; hundreds will be killed and millions more will be afraid to fly. This is evil, but it’s smart, well-thought out, and would achieve the terrorists’ goal.

or

You get some automatic weapons and mount an attack against a spread out fortified compound full of well-armed soldiers trained to fight and kill. You maybe manage to kill a handful before you are killed. Don’t get me wrong this would be a tragedy, but the body count would be relatively low and a limited amount of fear would be incited…I mean millions of Americans don’t visit military bases every day. This plan is also evil, but it is stupid and does not really achieve the terrorists’ goals.

Just because I’m calling these terrorists and their plan stupid and brainless, doesn’t mean I’m dismissing them, claiming they’re not evil, shouldn’t be in jail for the rest of time or anything like that. They’re terrorists and they are a threat to America; they’re just not the smartest terrorists around, that’s all.

But you must admit these guys were complete morons and this was the most stupidest, most ridiculously ill-conceived terrorist plot I’ve ever heard of.

JaHerer22 on May 11, 2007 at 2:24 PM

didn’t we just have this discussion a few days ago? discussion redux, if you ask me. move on, now.

It’s funny how these terrorists are always nincompoops when we discover and prevent their plots to kill and destroy.

Real funny.

But you must admit these guys were complete morons and this was the most stupidest, most ridiculously ill-conceived terrorist plot I’ve ever heard of.

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