Mort Kondracke’s Plan B for Iraq: Ethnic cleansing by Shiites
posted at 12:34 pm on May 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
More specifically, U.S. complicity in Shiite ethnic cleansing. Redeploy to Kurdistan if need be, he says, and let the Shiites do what they have to do to put down the insurgency. And if that means ethnic cleansing, hey — an 80% solution is better than none.
At least as interesting as the op-ed is Think Progress’s post about it, from which harsh denunciations of Kondracke, a Fox News regular, are curiously absent. I wonder why. Maybe this passage will shed some light; it’s the crux of Kondracke’s piece, and yet, coincidentally, the only quotable bit TP doesn’t quote:
Prudence calls for preparation of a Plan B. The withdrawal policy advocated by most Democrats virtually guarantees catastrophic ethnic cleansing – but without any guarantee that a government friendly to the United States would emerge. Almost certainly, Shiites will dominate Iraq because they outnumber Sunnis three to one. But the United States would get no credit for helping the Shiites win. In fact, America’s credibility would suffer because it abandoned its mission. And, there is no guarantee that al-Sadr – currently residing in Iran and resting his militias – would not emerge as the victor in a power struggle with al-Maliki’s Dawa Party and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, led by Abdul Aziz al-Hakim.
Realpolitik served ice cold. We all understand the dilemma here: we’re the only thing preventing a pogrom, but it’s at a huge human cost to our own military. At what point does our responsibility to get our boys out of harm’s way morally justify leaving a power vacuum within which Iraqi Arabs can slam away at each other? We’re not going to solve a Sunni/Shiite rift that’s existed for 1400 years so why waste any more American lives trying to postpone it? The answer, or my answer, in two words: Pam Hess. It’d be unconscionable for the United States to acquiesce in ethnic cleansing in a country whose security we’ve taken responsibility for; if you believe some on the left (and right), it’s unconscionable for us to acquiesce in ethnic cleansing even in countries whose security we’re not responsible for, like Sudan. When we leave, we have to leave with a good faith belief that the two sides can co-exist, which is why political reconciliation within parliament is so important and why we’re stuck there until it happens. If you take Kondracke seriously, the best solution might actually be to have the Air Force carpet-bomb Anbar: it’d solve the problem instantly, we’d get “credit for helping the Shiites win,” and it’d send a none-too-subtle message to Sadr that he’d best not antagonize us in the future. It would also send the Sunni countries in the Middle East into a frenzy, of course, and would mean the destruction of a part of Iraq where the leadership is, increasingly, unabashedly on our side and has taken the lead in fighting Al Qaeda — but of course, Shiite ethnic cleansing would accomplish the same things.
Strangest of all, in what sense does Kondracke think “American credibility” would be served by letting Sadr put the Sunnis to the sword? We’d be hearing about it from the left and the Islamists for the next thousand years. Al Qaeda would make it a centerpiece of their recruiting strategy. Even Iran, the ostensible beneficiaries, would demagogue the hell out of it with crocodile tears about their “Sunni brothers” whom the Sadrists had no choice but to fight after the U.S. goaded them into it.
The irony is that it probably wouldn’t happen anyway. The Saudis aren’t going to sit by while Shiite fanatics run wild in a Sunni area; they’ve already promised as much through one of their mouthpieces. So what Kondracke’s really calling for, even if he doesn’t realize it, is a Saudi-Iranian proxy war (or actual war) with Iraqis in the middle.
Exit question: Kondracke says he knows one member of Congress secretly supports his plan. Who?
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Kind of like communism was good for the youth, religions, and the artists.
acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM
Surprised there wasn’t a “donate button” at the bottom of her webpage.
can_con on May 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Congratulations class of 2013, you managed to graduate without learning critical thinking skills. You have been programmed to be compliant to the state from which all your needs and desires will come. Don’t bother looking for meaningful employment, as we have ruined any chance of you being independent and self determined. Everything you say and do can and will be used against you if you show any signs of resistance to the state. You will not enjoy any privacy. Welcome to Amerika.
tom daschle concerned on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM
I will gladly
payrob you Tuesday for thehamburgerDeath Panels you buy for me today.—————— Joe Mengele Sebelius, Death Panels Kommandant.
viking01 on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Um..I just have to comment…pre-existing condition of acne?? WTF
BeachBum on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Great job kids, you’ll be excited to know being dependent on us is now easier than ever!
rightmind on May 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM
I’m tired of this BS meme about “robbing our childrens’ futures”. This is simple thievery, and we’re being stolen from NOW through inflation, and means nothing to most voters…they’re used to living in debt and the numbers are so staggering it simply doesn’t compute for them. Oh, and…they believe that the Wizards of Wall Street and the Gov’t surely know what they’re doing and will fix everything.
So, it doesn’t mean anything to enough people to make a difference at the polls. Besides, even if it did, how much more would the GOP get is into debt? They’ve done it before.
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM
There’s an old joke that goes, “I want to live long enough to be a burden to my kids.”
Obamacare is going to guarantee I am, along with a lot of other people my age and older.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Not if your parents lose their employer provided insurance and get thrown on the exchanges.
Curtiss on May 22, 2013 at 8:56 PM
Nurse Diesel was born 60 years too late. She would have made a marvelous Nazi and Associate of Dr. Mengele. Pity…
/SPARC
glcinpdx on May 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM
Nurse Diesel was born 60 years too late. She would have made a marvelous Nazi and Associate of Dr. Mengele. Pity…
/SARC
glcinpdx on May 22, 2013 at 8:58 PM
I was at a party this past weekend, a rather daper young man of 80 years told a “funny but true” joke.
He asked at Social Security how he was going to get back all that he had paid in. The lady looked up his numbers, and told him with interest, it would take 32 more years to pay him back.
He looked me straight in the eye and said
If you knew Don, you could believe that.
JusDreamin on May 22, 2013 at 9:05 PM
Of course you can get Plan B at age 15.
You can drive a car at 16.
You can vote at age 18.
You can legally drink at 21.
You can serve in the military.
But when it comes to healthcare, you can mooch off your parents until you’re old enough that you probably have a family of your own. Here’s to being a responsible adult or something.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Good if you are going to be a government worker.
Guess there might be some openings in the IRS soon…
ProfShadow on May 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM
I doubt any but the most serious and earnest of young Democrats are actually going to find their way to the HHS blog. I mean, how many here even knew there was one? I didn’t.
Even if they are aware of her statement, all Sebelius’ words won’t mean a thing when members of the class of 2013 can’t find work or can only find part-time work thanks to Obamacare or when they see differences in their paycheck because of Obamacare.
INC on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM
How many parents will subsidize their “kids” until they’re 26? I won’t.
Charlemagne on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM
Somehow, though, I can’t feel sorry for these college kids who, their first time voting, voted for Obama. And for those who voted for him twice. And let their liberal parents who voted Obama suffer just like the rest of us.
While I deplore this law and wish it be repealed, I’m going to enjoy seeing liberals suffer for the laws they wanted but didn’t always have to heed. Now, for the first time, liberals have to pay, too.
“Welcome to the party, pal!”
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM
I have little faith in the young. They get their news from Colbert and Stewart and couldn’t tell you where Canada is on a map let alone intelligently explain international affairs. Many of them will happily sign up for that “free” healthcare.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:21 PM
Maybe she can explain why she broke the law & why she was extorting money from organization she was ‘lover’s….it will give her some practice before she has to do it before CONGRESS!
easyt65 on May 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM
Well good for you! I knew that the financial support was cut off the minute I graduated from college. Of course, I had a job and wasn’t back in my childhood race car bed because of the lousy economy.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM
Well, remember that campaign ad. They wanted their first time to be special.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM
Well, they gave it up to a psycho, and he’ll forever be like a stalker.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM
“You vill drink zee Obamakare, und you vill enchoy it! Ja?”
slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2013 at 9:32 PM
What year did Sebelius run in the Kentucky Derby?
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM
Yeah, it’s like a Lifetime Movie Network script.
Innocent happy young people graduate from college. Before you know it they’re enrolled in Obamacare, have to trade their cool phones in for Obamaphones because they don’t have any income. They turn on the television to see Mooch lecturing them to eat their vegetables. It is as if they’ve lost their real families and been adopted by the Obamas. Or more accurately they’ve been recruited into the radical left-wing party of which Obama is the cult leader.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM
Hah! Trick question. Sebelius isn’t a mudder and got scratched before the race for fear that the track conditions would result in a broken leg. Thus eliminating any chance of stud fees.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 10:00 PM
Chickens coming home to roost.
.Left wing professorial nuts in colleges teach kids socialism.
.left wing indoctrinated college freaks elect Obama president.
.Obama appoints whackos like Sebelius and the IRS to propose and administer Obamacare and other lunatic government programs (government “problems” would be more apt.)–all over-funded, job-killing and cancerous.
.Left wing indoctrinated college freaks not only can’t afford Obamacare but they can’t get any jobs because of it.
.In a no-job market the only openings available for poorly trained, unqualified left wing indoctrinated college freaks is to become left wing professorial nuts themselves. Problem is-only one opening per 75,000 applicants.
MaiDee on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM
This. Only recently has it even been physically possible for me to go apartment shopping. And the state of the job market basically robs you of all career choice.
Seriously, you wanna be depressed to the core of your being? Try writing out a budget and realizing 9 hour shifts of putting up with flappy-mouthed rudesters for co’work’ers and being abused by dumb angry proles who want everything for free will BARELY provide enough money to exist on.
Would be a lot more money for me if it wasn’t being taken to feed the Democrat ‘minority’ voting blocs…
MelonCollie on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM
Exactly. Even with all manner of Federal subsidies, there are only so many ‘jobs’ for overpaid wind-up puppets. The rest of us actually have to find real employment, which is currently about like panning for gold at your local public pool.
MelonCollie on May 22, 2013 at 10:58 PM
Nah, there are plenty of jobs for them. Obama wants his domestic national police force, equipped as well as the military. 3 hots and a cot along with all the “personal defense weapons” and “weapons of war” you can want with that new authoritah.
oryguncon on May 22, 2013 at 11:24 PM
Well, except for that really, really high insurance premium – you know, that one that you’re required to purchase. Oh sure, you probably wouldn’t have purchased insurance at such a young age – but if we’re going to offset the costs associated with insuring people with preexisting conditions – we need to you to pay your fair share. See? Doesn’t that feel good?
Sure hope you find a good-paying job… you’re going to need it!
Hill60 on May 23, 2013 at 12:04 AM
I still think that in this picture she looks like Dana Carvey as The Church Lady.
bugsy on May 23, 2013 at 5:42 AM
I don’t understand why there is never any pushback from the GOP or commentators on the stupid claim that insurance companies discriminate with higher premiums based on being a woman. What they are referring to is that insurance is typically higher for a woman of child bearing age than a similarly aged man. Well, duh that’s because women can get pregnant and men can’t and so they are at a higher risk of causing higher payouts. I know my six pregnancies cost our insurance company a lot more money than my husband did at the same age. To force a single male to pay the same rates as a single female during childbearing years is redistribution for the sake of politics/feminist agenda pure and simple.
txmomof6 on May 23, 2013 at 5:52 AM
I despise this Sebelius woman.
locomotivebreath1901 on May 23, 2013 at 6:12 AM
to the class of 2013:
good luck finding a job; and don’t forget to pay your obamacare ‘taxes’ or the IRS will be coming for you.
you voted for these socialists; welcome to the real world chumps!
burserker on May 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM
In charge of your medical records.
Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 3:16 PM