Comments on: If you see something, say something…and prepare to get sued? http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/ The world’s first, full-service conservative Internet broadcast network Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:07:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Resolute http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-397402 Resolute Fri, 11 May 2007 22:33:21 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-397402 Tort reform is needed in general not just for this. There have been studies done showing things like grown men are reluctant to help a drowing child for fear of being sued for sexual harassment. Tort reform is needed in general not just for this. There have been studies done showing things like grown men are reluctant to help a drowing child for fear of being sued for sexual harassment.

]]> By: tikvah http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-397273 tikvah Fri, 11 May 2007 19:58:07 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-397273 <blockquote>after the (f)lying imams fiasco</blockquote> That's brilliant. Did you come up with that yourself?

after the (f)lying imams fiasco

That’s brilliant. Did you come up with that yourself?

]]> By: Annoying Old Guy http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-397059 Annoying Old Guy Fri, 11 May 2007 17:17:29 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-397059 <blockquote>Why isn’t there a conservative -and just as powerful- version of the ACLU and groups like that fighting to protect us from socialism and general liberal stupidity?</blockquote>There's the <a href="http://www.ij.org/" rel="nofollow">Institute for Justice</a>. I like them, YMMV.

Why isn’t there a conservative -and just as powerful- version of the ACLU and groups like that fighting to protect us from socialism and general liberal stupidity?

There’s the Institute for Justice. I like them, YMMV.

]]> By: csdeven http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-397042 csdeven Fri, 11 May 2007 17:05:42 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-397042 <blockquote>It doesn’t matter. They have no grounds on which to sue… it would be thrown out of court DaveS on May 11, 2007 at 12:10 PM</blockquote> I think it does matter. I can sue anyone I want and they HAVE to pay a lawyer to defend themselves even if it eventually is thrown out of court. If they don't have a lawyer and I do, I win. The point of these lawsuits is to scare people into keeping their mouths shut.

It doesn’t matter. They have no grounds on which to sue… it would be thrown out of court
DaveS on May 11, 2007 at 12:10 PM

I think it does matter. I can sue anyone I want and they HAVE to pay a lawyer to defend themselves even if it eventually is thrown out of court. If they don’t have a lawyer and I do, I win. The point of these lawsuits is to scare people into keeping their mouths shut.

]]> By: csdeven http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-397038 csdeven Fri, 11 May 2007 17:02:07 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-397038 <blockquote>Where did this idea start anyway, that someone could be sued for voicing a concern about suspicious behavior? DaveS on May 11, 2007 at 12:10 PM</blockquote> I guess a bunch of lawyers decided it was an issue after the attorneies for the flying Imams sued all John Does on the flight.

Where did this idea start anyway, that someone could be sued for voicing a concern about suspicious behavior?

DaveS on May 11, 2007 at 12:10 PM

I guess a bunch of lawyers decided it was an issue after the attorneies for the flying Imams sued all John Does on the flight.

]]> By: MirCat http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-397033 MirCat Fri, 11 May 2007 16:58:13 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-397033 It's the whole "right to face your accuser" thing. One way around it is to "neither confirm nor deny" the existence of a tipper thus the Feds become the accuser, but then you get into the probably cause thing . . . - The Cat It’s the whole “right to face your accuser” thing. One way around it is to “neither confirm nor deny” the existence of a tipper thus the Feds become the accuser, but then you get into the probably cause thing . . .

- The Cat

]]> By: DaveS http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396990 DaveS Fri, 11 May 2007 16:10:11 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396990 <blockquote>Suing a John Doe allows the defense to force airlines, employers, et al to reveal who the person is.</blockquote>It doesn't matter. They have no grounds on which to sue... it would be thrown out of court. The only legal liability for the guy you are calling "John Doe" would come about from any false statements that he/she intentionally made to authorities. Like if I called the cops and said I thought you killed someone, and they found out I lied. Where did this idea start anyway, that someone could be sued for voicing a concern about suspicious behavior?

Suing a John Doe allows the defense to force airlines, employers, et al to reveal who the person is.

It doesn’t matter. They have no grounds on which to sue… it would be thrown out of court.

The only legal liability for the guy you are calling “John Doe” would come about from any false statements that he/she intentionally made to authorities. Like if I called the cops and said I thought you killed someone, and they found out I lied.

Where did this idea start anyway, that someone could be sued for voicing a concern about suspicious behavior?

]]> By: Privatestock http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396956 Privatestock Fri, 11 May 2007 15:12:32 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396956 Try finding info about this bill. It's a huge bill, has lots of parts and very confusing. The only whistleblower protection I could find only covers federal employees and contractors. If someone can find the HR# of this amendment, I'd love to read it. Try finding info about this bill. It’s a huge bill, has lots of parts and very confusing. The only whistleblower protection I could find only covers federal employees and contractors. If someone can find the HR# of this amendment, I’d love to read it.

]]> By: csdeven http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396945 csdeven Fri, 11 May 2007 15:02:46 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396945 <blockquote>If someone is really a “John Doe” he won’t be sued anyway, because noone knows who he is. DaveS on May 11, 2007 at 10:34 AM</blockquote> Suing a John Doe allows the defense to force airlines, employers, et al to reveal who the person is.

If someone is really a “John Doe” he won’t be sued anyway, because noone knows who he is.

DaveS on May 11, 2007 at 10:34 AM

Suing a John Doe allows the defense to force airlines, employers, et al to reveal who the person is.

]]> By: csdeven http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396940 csdeven Fri, 11 May 2007 14:58:15 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396940 <blockquote>We really need a real leader to direct us out of this mess. bbz123 on May 11, 2007 at 8:57 AM</blockquote> Yeah but the sheeple want someone who tickles their ears.

We really need a real leader to direct us out of this mess.

bbz123 on May 11, 2007 at 8:57 AM

Yeah but the sheeple want someone who tickles their ears.

]]> By: DaveS http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396924 DaveS Fri, 11 May 2007 14:34:22 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396924 The <em>guy didn't get sued</em>. This article is dealing entirely in hyptotheticals, and if he did get sued, it would be thrown out of court. I'm not really disagreeing with laws to protect such things, but it sounds like you are saying "Since he didn't get sued, we should pass laws protecting him from getting sued," which is a bit odd. Also, for what its worth (nothing, I know), I think the term "John Doe" is silly in this context. If someone is really a "John Doe" he won't be sued anyway, because noone knows who he is. The guy didn’t get sued. This article is dealing entirely in hyptotheticals, and if he did get sued, it would be thrown out of court.

I’m not really disagreeing with laws to protect such things, but it sounds like you are saying “Since he didn’t get sued, we should pass laws protecting him from getting sued,” which is a bit odd.

Also, for what its worth (nothing, I know), I think the term “John Doe” is silly in this context. If someone is really a “John Doe” he won’t be sued anyway, because noone knows who he is.

]]> By: rockhauler http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396913 rockhauler Fri, 11 May 2007 14:19:41 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396913 RE: "See something, say something?" NOT A CHANCE. If I see something that looks suspicious (to me), I'll quietly pick up my things and vacate the area. <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/10/breaking-house-passes-installment-plan-iraq-spending-bill/" rel="nofollow">Ya'll are on your own</a>. Besides that, ya'll are opening yourself up to a never ending witch hunt. 'cuz that 'crazy old man who lives on the corner has to be guilty of something, and someone should do something about him, before someone gets hurt'. Have a nice day. RE: “See something, say something?”
NOT A CHANCE. If I see something that looks suspicious (to me), I’ll quietly pick up my things and vacate the area. Ya’ll are on your own.

Besides that, ya’ll are opening yourself up to a never ending witch hunt. ‘cuz that ‘crazy old man who lives on the corner has to be guilty of something, and someone should do something about him, before someone gets hurt’.
Have a nice day.

]]> By: WisCon http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396911 WisCon Fri, 11 May 2007 14:17:14 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396911 An individual shouldn't be punished by lawyer fees for essentially saving lives. Anyone have a link to the list of Dems who voted against that amendment? An individual shouldn’t be punished by lawyer fees for essentially saving lives. Anyone have a link to the list of Dems who voted against that amendment?

]]> By: right2bright http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396908 right2bright Fri, 11 May 2007 14:14:48 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396908 <blockquote>aengus on May 11, 2007 at 8:57 AM</blockquote> No, Lenosh says they do not go to court, but they are willing to go to court, most are willing. What they (and others) want to do is intimidate and make you spend money. That is the real danger. Forget about the aberration of one or two Scientology cases that have gone to court (usually a case brought against them), they have usually lost. They don't care about "dirty laundry" their followers will follow no matter what, they want to suck up the resources of the opposition, wear them down. An analogy would be when news org. like AP or Rueters plant a false story or picture, they then dodge and delay until you are tired of pressing them for the truth. And if you ever get the truth, it has been diluted with time. Case in point right now is this Kansas gov. and Brownback. They will dodge and hide until the crisis passes. Our resources (interest) will wear down before their intent and policy is withdrawn.

aengus on May 11, 2007 at 8:57 AM

No, Lenosh says they do not go to court, but they are willing to go to court, most are willing. What they (and others) want to do is intimidate and make you spend money. That is the real danger. Forget about the aberration of one or two Scientology cases that have gone to court (usually a case brought against them), they have usually lost. They don’t care about “dirty laundry” their followers will follow no matter what, they want to suck up the resources of the opposition, wear them down.
An analogy would be when news org. like AP or Rueters plant a false story or picture, they then dodge and delay until you are tired of pressing them for the truth. And if you ever get the truth, it has been diluted with time.

Case in point right now is this Kansas gov. and Brownback. They will dodge and hide until the crisis passes. Our resources (interest) will wear down before their intent and policy is withdrawn.

]]> By: Speakup http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396893 Speakup Fri, 11 May 2007 13:58:52 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396893 To limit litigation against John Doe might also mean limiting litigation in some other areas which might not be bad for America but could be bad for some do gooder, uber liberal entities like the ACLU. Getting legislation passed that limits the ability to sue (for fun and profit) is a hard sell for liberals. To limit litigation against John Doe might also mean limiting litigation in some other areas which might not be bad for America but could be bad for some do gooder, uber liberal entities like the ACLU.

Getting legislation passed that limits the ability to sue (for fun and profit) is a hard sell for liberals.

]]> By: Privatestock http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396890 Privatestock Fri, 11 May 2007 13:54:37 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396890 BillLalor brings up a good point. Why isn't there a conservative -and just as powerful- version of the ACLU and groups like that fighting to protect us from socialism and general liberal stupidity? I'd support the hell out of an organization like that. BillLalor brings up a good point. Why isn’t there a conservative -and just as powerful- version of the ACLU and groups like that fighting to protect us from socialism and general liberal stupidity? I’d support the hell out of an organization like that.

]]> By: hoosierken http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396885 hoosierken Fri, 11 May 2007 13:51:35 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396885 This kind of legislation should be a complete "no-brainer". It's as if these incompetent leaders want to simply will us back to September 10, 2001. Thing have changed guys. I'm not going to call in my neigbor as a terrorist if I sse his grass get a bit too high. And I should never have to question reporting something obviously unusual to the police. At this rate I weep for my children and my new grandson. What kind of America will they live in? This kind of legislation should be a complete “no-brainer”. It’s as if these incompetent leaders want to simply will us back to September 10, 2001. Thing have changed guys. I’m not going to call in my neigbor as a terrorist if I sse his grass get a bit too high. And I should never have to question reporting something obviously unusual to the police.
At this rate I weep for my children and my new grandson. What kind of America will they live in?

]]> By: Stevel http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396878 Stevel Fri, 11 May 2007 13:40:17 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396878 This is the kind of thing that makes you want to pull your hair out. Its common sense - something Dims seem to lack in this area (among others). I would still blow the whistle. This is the kind of thing that makes you want to pull your hair out. Its common sense – something Dims seem to lack in this area (among others). I would still blow the whistle.

]]> By: Privatestock http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396871 Privatestock Fri, 11 May 2007 13:26:03 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396871 This kind of crap makes me so ashamed of my government. There's honestly not an ounce of common sense in the majority of these idiots. This kind of crap makes me so ashamed of my government. There’s honestly not an ounce of common sense in the majority of these idiots.

]]> By: BillLalor http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396870 BillLalor Fri, 11 May 2007 13:25:52 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396870 Even if legislation is passed, there will be loopholes and unscrupulous attorneys. I think the time has come for practicing attorneys to organize a way to defend terrorist whistleblowers. There are dozens of groups who provide legal assistance where specific issues come up (ACLU, Rutherford, Legal Aid, etc, etc.). There's no reason a similar group couldn't be formed to protect whistleblowers. Even if legislation is passed, there will be loopholes and unscrupulous attorneys. I think the time has come for practicing attorneys to organize a way to defend terrorist whistleblowers. There are dozens of groups who provide legal assistance where specific issues come up (ACLU, Rutherford, Legal Aid, etc, etc.). There’s no reason a similar group couldn’t be formed to protect whistleblowers.

]]> By: vcferlita http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396854 vcferlita Fri, 11 May 2007 12:57:59 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396854 Stuff like this aggravates me so much I can't even put it into words this early in the morning. I'm sure he'll need fatwah protction at some point also. Stuff like this aggravates me so much I can’t even put it into words this early in the morning. I’m sure he’ll need fatwah protction at some point also.

]]> By: aengus http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396853 aengus Fri, 11 May 2007 12:57:52 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396853 Yeah but Scientology's confidential secrets were outed in a court case so Lenosh has a point. Yeah but Scientology’s confidential secrets were outed in a court case so Lenosh has a point.

]]> By: bbz123 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396850 bbz123 Fri, 11 May 2007 12:57:03 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396850 This from a group that encourages lying to thr infidels, and we are still waiting for that mass of moderates to report suspicious activities withing their own communitues. When will our will grow to the point that we "enough"? We are under attack from without and within, and we have leaders who side with those enemies. We really need a real leader to direct us out of this mess. This from a group that encourages lying to thr infidels, and we are still waiting for that mass of moderates to report suspicious activities withing their own communitues. When will our will grow to the point that we “enough”?
We are under attack from without and within, and we have leaders who side with those enemies.
We really need a real leader to direct us out of this mess.

]]> By: csdeven http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396844 csdeven Fri, 11 May 2007 12:48:42 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396844 This sounds all well and good, but doesn't defending oneself against a lawsuit cost money? If these terrorists become more open in poorer communties and a citizen has to decide if he wants to defend a lawsuit or feed his family, I doubt anything less than a terrorist with an bomb strapped to his body will motivate that person to take a chance on being sued. I like the anonymous tip idea, but wouldn't law enforcement need face to face interviews eventually? What would happen if the terrorists started flooding tip lines with bogus calls? Would law enforcement start ignoring all but the most serious threats because they lack man power? We need to embarass the people who are holding this up. I feel very confident that a large majority of americans would support this if only they knew what the traitorous dems are doing. This sounds all well and good, but doesn’t defending oneself against a lawsuit cost money? If these terrorists become more open in poorer communties and a citizen has to decide if he wants to defend a lawsuit or feed his family, I doubt anything less than a terrorist with an bomb strapped to his body will motivate that person to take a chance on being sued.

I like the anonymous tip idea, but wouldn’t law enforcement need face to face interviews eventually? What would happen if the terrorists started flooding tip lines with bogus calls? Would law enforcement start ignoring all but the most serious threats because they lack man power?

We need to embarass the people who are holding this up. I feel very confident that a large majority of americans would support this if only they knew what the traitorous dems are doing.

]]> By: right2bright http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-396842 right2bright Fri, 11 May 2007 12:41:43 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/11/if-you-see-something-say-somethingand-prepare-to-get-sued/#comment-396842 <blockquote>Lehosh on May 11, 2007 at 8:32 AM</blockquote> The problem with the threat, is that it costs money to defend. Scientology is a good example, they seldom go to court, but the costs to defend the allegation can cost tens of thousands of dollars, millions in some cases. The hiring of attorneys, the time and effort, it just ain't the court case that is the problem.

Lehosh on May 11, 2007 at 8:32 AM

The problem with the threat, is that it costs money to defend. Scientology is a good example, they seldom go to court, but the costs to defend the allegation can cost tens of thousands of dollars, millions in some cases. The hiring of attorneys, the time and effort, it just ain’t the court case that is the problem.

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